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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
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Posted - 2014.01.13 17:53:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:On top of this, we're also losing a Sidearm, which, in my opinion is a good trade-off considering we get an extra EQ slot. Meaning if we do decide to knife, we'll be stuck with one weapon that is really limited when it comes to combat.
The same thread where Remnant says this he then says... except Minmatar.
// Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
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Posted - 2014.01.13 17:59:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:I definitely agree that scouts should not be combat oriented at all, but purely stealth and intel oriented. In exchange, CCP can then release a new specialization from the light frame called "Assassin" which is a light frame more focused purely on combat. Nope. Don't need another SP sink for another crap suit. Scouts kill people. Scouts will continue to kill people. Scouts should be good at killing people within their niche. The day scouts shouldn't have a combat role is the day that all logi's should have to equip a rep tool and NO weapons.
They could release variants that use the same model and the same skill but has a different layout and tweaked stats. We have a Combat Rifle and an Assault Combat Rifle that use the same skills with the variant generally being a weaker copy of another race's primary role. Why not have a primary Scout and an alternate for each race? (Extend this to the other suits as appropriate.)
The primary role of the Minmatar Scout has always been Assassin. The secondary role could be Recon/Pathfinder/Whatever and loses the sidearm slot for the equipment and maybe some weak attempt with some scanning bonus. The primary role of the Caldari Scout is shaping up to be electronic warfare but they could have a variant that gains a sidearm and loses an equipment to be the weak attempt at a Caldari Assassin. Of course, they would focus on long range combat being the cowards that they are and would get some form of bonus to Sniper Rifles.
// Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
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Posted - 2014.01.13 18:37:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Logistics Mk.0
Highs
2x Complex Sidearm Damage Mods (18.7% with Proficiency its 33.7% I think)
1x Complex Shield Ext.
1x Enhanced Shield Ext.
(408 EHP)
Lows
2x Complex Kinetic Catz (Sprint of 9.18m/s)
2x Complex Profile Dampeners (Enough to dodge Proto Scanners)
Weapon
Ishukone Nova Knives
Equipment
ADV Active Scanner
REs
R-9 Uplinks
(Three Equips Compared to a Scout's one)
Nade
Flux Nade
You're kidding yourself if you think this bonus makes Minmatar Scouts in anyway unique.
Damage of Ishukone Knives, quick swipe = 534.8 Damage
Full Charge = 1069.6 Damage
Cool. Now, how cheaply can you make a Minmatar Scout fit that handles all of that except for 3 equipment plus can still carry a light weapon? I've said it before but the real beauty of this game is being able make suits do things they were never intended to do. You can make this fit that is fast, more durable than a scout and carries more equipment. The downside is that its expensive and doesn't have a second weapon.
// Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:00:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:mr musturd wrote:
no my proto fit has more ehp a primary weapon and can still achieve higher knife damage for under 100k
You're Proto fit doesn't have three Equipment. What is your fit anyway? I should be able to stitch together an Assault suit with a Primary + Knife Later(TM) But for now, I'm off to enjoy my cookies. (Also, suit cost shouldn't matter in competitive game modes like PC)
You think a knife only fit is competitive in any mode?
// Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:21:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:mr musturd wrote:
no my proto fit has more ehp a primary weapon and can still achieve higher knife damage for under 100k
You're Proto fit doesn't have three Equipment. What is your fit anyway? I should be able to stitch together an Assault suit with a Primary + Knife Later(TM) But for now, I'm off to enjoy my cookies. (Also, suit cost shouldn't matter in competitive game modes like PC) You think a knife only fit is competitive in any mode? Thats what the Minmatar Scout will be post Scout changes though. 
Remnant said that the Minmatar will most likely keep its current slot arrangement.
// Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
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