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Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4430	Posted - 2014.01.13 16:21:00 - [1] - Quote The Minmatar Scout racial is the only Scout racial that has a combat orientated bonus. Assuming the Caldari and Amarr Bonuses remain the same. Scouts and combat dont mix, the Minmatar Scout should get a more 'Scoutly' bonus, say a bonus to hack speed, or a bonus to the effectiveness of Biotics. On top of this, we're also losing a Sidearm, which, in my opinion is a good trade-off considering we get an extra EQ slot. Meaning if we do decide to knife, we'll be stuck with one weapon that is really limited when it comes to combat. The Nova Knife bonus should be reserved for a more aggresive light frame class in the future, or could even become the Basic Frame bonus for Minmatar. But please dont forget about the Minmatar Scout, if these changes go ahead without a change to the Min Scout bonus, than the Min Scout will become the worst Scout suit in the game, and possibly the worst suit all together. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4430	Posted - 2014.01.13 16:29:00 - [2] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Knight I like you, but go away. Why? Why should I be locked down to one specific playstyle like Nova Knifing, Knives are a very niche weapon, and do not appeal to everybody. Right now I feel as if I'm being forced to equip a pair of Knives so I can get full use out of my bonuses, which isn't a problem, because I can equip Knives and a decent ranged weapon to make up for the fact that I have to be in humping distance to get a kill. Scouts with a Shotgun and SMG are laughable as is, could you imagine a Scout with just Knives? And what +10-20 Extra melee damage? Minmatar Scout will be useless if this bonus remains. Nova Knives should recieve a 25% Damage Buff, and the Bonus for the Min Scout should be replaced, everyone is a winner. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4432	Posted - 2014.01.13 16:43:00 - [3] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Matatri scout will be keeping it's weapon slots I hear, so you can keep your light weapon yes? And just because some choose not to use a bonus isn't ground to have it removed, there are those who love their NK bonus myself included, you knew what you were signing up for when you donned the gear so if the bonus isn't to your liking there's not much else to say. If thats true about the weapon slots then its an entirely different story. I also knew when speccing into the Minmatar Scout that I could equip Knives, and a decent ranged weapon for more troublesome targets. But of course, in classic CCP fashion, they expect me to predict the future. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4435	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:42:00 - [4] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Please leave my bonus alone. If the Knives recieve a 25% buff there shouldn't be a problem with it. The bonus is ridiculous. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4435	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:56:00 - [5] - Quote We Scouts have always nagged on about how useless we are in competitive gamemodes, what is more useful to your team in PC? A Hacking Bonus (Like the on the Logi mk.0 got, for all who dont know, it allowed the Logi to hack at a speed of 5s through just passives, compared to a base of 10s) or 25% Extra Damage to Nova Knives. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4435	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:59:00 - [6] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: mr musturd wrote: Please leave my bonus alone. If the Knives recieve a 25% buff there shouldn't be a problem with it. The bonus is ridiculous. If knives received a 25% buff any suit could out knife the minny hello speed tanked logi with knives, you knew the bonus when you spec'd into it my friend, I suggest you grab a pair of knives Thats a ** poor excuse for having a bonus. The bonus is **, and will be even more terrible with the Sidearm removal, I specced into Minmatar Scout because of their base speed, and Shield Tanking. Any Logi can pick up a pair of Knives and use it because all it requires is 2x Comp Damage Mods to get a comparable bonus to the Scout. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4435	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:03:00 - [7] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: We Scouts have always nagged on about how useless we are in competitive gamemodes, what is more useful to your team in PC? A Hacking Bonus (Like the on the Logi mk.0 got, for all who dont know, it allowed the Logi to hack at a speed of 5s through just passives, compared to a base of 10s) or 25% Extra Damage to Nova Knives. I do just fine with my knives in PC But that doesn't make you anymore useful than the Logi who gets a comparable score with his AR. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4435	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:05:00 - [8] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: relax and put away your crystal ball. Please stop saying this, last time CCP said this the proposed changes that everyone was complaining about actually made their way into the update. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4435	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:07:00 - [9] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: mr musturd wrote: If knives received a 25% buff any suit could out knife the minny hello speed tanked logi with knives, you knew the bonus when you spec'd into it my friend, I suggest you grab a pair of knives Aren't knifers always talking about how effective a counter back pedaling is to knifing? A logi knifer is going to have it much, much worse than the min scout (as long as charging while sprinting isn't added). Edit: Anyways, release the T3 assassin class. Problem solved. Like I've said many times if your trying to knife an aware enemy your doing it wrong, good knifers don't really have a problem with the back pedalling knifers like Moody and I use the knife as a situational weapon and don't run head on trying to kill a guy with a effing knife And this is where Logis will fail. Why? Because of their Suit Profile, an enemy will always be aware of their position, and if they sacrifice biotics to fill their Lows with Complex Dampeners they're not nearly as fast as a Minmatar Scout. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4435	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:09:00 - [10] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: mr musturd wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: We Scouts have always nagged on about how useless we are in competitive gamemodes, what is more useful to your team in PC? A Hacking Bonus (Like the on the Logi mk.0 got, for all who dont know, it allowed the Logi to hack at a speed of 5s through just passives, compared to a base of 10s) or 25% Extra Damage to Nova Knives. I do just fine with my knives in PC But that doesn't make you anymore useful than the Logi who gets a comparable score with his AR. The thing is I out kill the logi with the Ar and the assault guys in Pc while stopping hacks in one swing of my knives If enemies are always unaware of your position like you said you shouldn't have a problem half charging or full charging to achieve the damage that you would usually do with one quick swipe with the 25%. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)

Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4435	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:13:00 - [11] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Its not that hard to damp an assault or logi suit and keep your speed. I can probably make a fit right now consisting of a Med Frame with Nova Knives that can achieve a similar performance to the Scout mk.0. Our bonus isn't as useful as you make it out to be. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4435	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:33:00 - [12] - Quote Logistics Mk.0 Highs 2x Complex Sidearm Damage Mods (18.7% with Proficiency its 33.7% I think) 1x Complex Shield Ext. 1x Enhanced Shield Ext. (408 EHP) Lows 2x Complex Kinetic Catz (Sprint of 9.18m/s) 2x Complex Profile Dampeners (Enough to dodge Proto Scanners) Weapon Ishukone Nova Knives Equipment ADV Active Scanner REs R-9 Uplinks (Three Equips Compared to a Scout's one) Nade Flux Nade You're kidding yourself if you think this bonus makes Minmatar Scouts in anyway unique. Damage of Ishukone Knives, quick swipe = 534.8 Damage Full Charge = 1069.6 Damage Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4436	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:47:00 - [13] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Logistics Mk.0 Highs 2x Complex Sidearm Damage Mods (18.7% with Proficiency its 33.7% I think) 1x Complex Shield Ext. 1x Enhanced Shield Ext. (408 EHP) Lows 2x Complex Kinetic Catz (Sprint of 9.18m/s) 2x Complex Profile Dampeners (Enough to dodge Proto Scanners) Weapon Ishukone Nova Knives Equipment ADV Active Scanner REs R-9 Uplinks (Three Equips Compared to a Scout's one) Nade Flux Nade You're kidding yourself if you think this bonus makes Minmatar Scouts in anyway unique. Damage of Ishukone Knives, quick swipe = 534.8 Damage Full Charge = 1069.6 Damage You want a cookie? I can achieve 1428 damage from a charge without any damage mods. I already know logis are the best suit at everything I just proved how useless our bonus truly is when compared to a Logi, yes, I'll take that cookie. Nom nom nom :3 Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4437	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:57:00 - [14] - Quote mr musturd wrote: no my proto fit has more ehp a primary weapon and can still achieve higher knife damage for under 100k You're Proto fit doesn't have three Equipment. What is your fit anyway? I should be able to stitch together an Assault suit with a Primary + Knife Later(TM) But for now, I'm off to enjoy my cookies. (Also, suit cost shouldn't matter in competitive gamemodes like PC) Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4438	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:00:00 - [15] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: mr musturd wrote: no my proto fit has more ehp a primary weapon and can still achieve higher knife damage for under 100k You're Proto fit doesn't have three Equipment. What is your fit anyway? I should be able to stitch together an Assault suit with a Primary + Knife Later(TM) But for now, I'm off to enjoy my cookies. (Also, suit cost shouldn't matter in competitive gamemodes like PC) Until open market hits and that 250k suit is more like 750k. And how did you come across this number? Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4438	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:04:00 - [16] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: mr musturd wrote: no my proto fit has more ehp a primary weapon and can still achieve higher knife damage for under 100k You're Proto fit doesn't have three Equipment. What is your fit anyway? I should be able to stitch together an Assault suit with a Primary + Knife Later(TM) But for now, I'm off to enjoy my cookies. (Also, suit cost shouldn't matter in competitive game modes like PC) You think a knife only fit is competitive in any mode? Thats what the Minmatar Scout will be post Scout changes though. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4439	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:20:00 - [17] - Quote Eh, what do I care anyway, I'm going Caldari Scout anyway, at least I wont be a part of this sinking ship. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4439	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:24:00 - [18] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Remnant said that the Minmatar will most likely keep its current slot arrangement. So I've heard. Which means the Minmatar Scout wont get a true role. If they really want to Minmatar to remain relevant with its current bonus the layout for Primary / Sidearm / Equipment needs to be 1 / 1 / 2. So basically make the Minmatar the Amarr Logi of the Scout class. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4440	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:47:00 - [19] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: This is what it should be: 5%/lvl DMG bonus to knives 5%/lvl bonus to biotics effectiveness The melee bonus is garbage. WHO EQUIPS KNiVES AND then melees!? Me when my R1 bugs out and it melees instead of knifes... But really though I think they're trying to make it so if you equip a different side arm meleeing would still be useful but... lets be honest are you going to punch someone if you have a scrambler pistol instead of a knife? I know I won't. Unless that melee is going to buffed so I can one hit kill MLT, STD, and some ADV suits that melee bonus is absolutely worthless in a realistic combat scenario. They said it'll most likely be raised to 120, which is 150 at lvl 5. Its still going to be useless. Needs to be atleast 200 when added all up, but even then it still sucks. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4441	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:54:00 - [20] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I definitely agree that scouts should not be combat oriented at all, but purely stealth and intel oriented. In exchange, CCP can then release a new specialization from the light frame called "Assassin" which is a light frame more focused purely on combat. If scouts shouldn't be combat oriented then logi's should only have a sidearm Same could be said for Scouts, Logis are going to become true support classes, they'll get bonuses to support equipment, and their passive repping is finally being removed. On top of that, CCP will hopefully do the smart thing of making Logi Slot layout mirror that of the Assault class'. Its been said before, Scouts should be the anti-logi, using EWAR to their advantage to disrupt the advance of the enemy team, using items like Webifiers, Cloaks, and REs. If I wanted a class centred around frontline combat, I would've went for the Assault Suit, which is why I think Min Scouts becoming a 'Combat Scout' is just absolutely ridiculous. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)

Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4443	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:10:00 - [21] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Well I think scouts becoming ** is rediculous. Do you remember chromozone scouts? Those where good, not the ** you and a few others seem to want to make scouts Chromosone Scouts were good, but they were not what Scouts are suppoused to be. If CCP give Scouts a huge boost to EWAR technology when it arrives, they can become some of the more useful classes in the game. Could you imagine a Scout that could use Jammers to scramble the Radars of enemies, a Scout that can near insta-hack objectives, a Scout that can cause enemies within a certain radius to slow down temporarily, and maybe even a Scout that can cause the weapons of enemies to jam. I want Scouts to be Scouts, not low HP version of an assault suit. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4443	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:15:00 - [22] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: I couldn't give a ** about EWAR garbage. Scouts should be skirmishers not little bitches like it seems CCP wants them to be If you dont give a ** about EWAR than I dont see a reason with speaking to you any further. You clearly dont understand how useful and rewarding EWAR will be on the battlefield. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4443	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:20:00 - [23] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: You clearly don't understand the proper pecking order of which suit should trump the other You clearly an idiot that doesn't understand what the word Scout means. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4443	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:28:00 - [24] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: You clearly don't understand the proper pecking order of which suit should trump the other You clearly an idiot that doesn't understand what the word Scout means. In what military does a scout or equivelent pull a non combative role. Oh woah, bringing in real life examples. I give it a couple of more posts until you start pulling out Wikipedia links, and real life numbers from your ass. Please, if you're going to do nothing but stick up the thread with your ideas on how to make the Scout an irrelevant role on the battlefield, than please bring your stink somewhere else. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4444	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:29:00 - [25] - Quote Oh and, in what military role does a Scout run around at +10m/s with dual knives in hands, stabbing multiple people instead of using his ******* gun. You see how idiotic real life examples are now? Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4444	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:32:00 - [26] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Thats what your doing, listen to all the scouts around you who are by far better then you. Like mr. mustard, like Cyrius, like myself. Now you're just being a prat, please stroke your e-peen elsewhere. And I've never brought in real life examples. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4444	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:37:00 - [27] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Thats what your doing, listen to all the scouts around you who are by far better then you. Like mr. mustard, like Cyrius, like myself. Now you're just being a prat, please stroke your e-peen elsewhere. And I've never brought in real life examples. You told me to look up the definition of scout moron. Part of that definition is being a soldier. Now, what do soldiers do? They partake in combat. Facepalm I've gotten to the stage where I'm going tp block your posts so I dont have to listen to your nonsense, I hope your CPM campaign doesn't pick up. This game would burn if it did. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4445	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:44:00 - [28] - Quote mollerz wrote: Wait! Now people want to nerfing the NK bonus? Omg. The minja is going to become extinct with all this bs. Nobody said nerfing, I dont think the word was uttered once in this thread, just replace the bonus for christsake. How does a simple request turn into 4 pages of an arguement with people that dont understand that Scouts need to focus on EWAR before combat. Scouts should still retain some of their combat effectivness, but they should be EWAR before direct combat. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4447	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:48:00 - [29] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Im sorry, but why would ANYONE play a class in an FPS game that isnt direct combat? One game mode we have is ONLY combat. - Ambush- If you want the scout class to die, then yes, yours and knights ideas are fine. You seem to be confused as to how I am using the terms "direct combat" and "indirect combat" Direct combat - Rush enemy (regardless of direction), then shoot enemy. Indirect combat - Find enemy group, cripple enemy group (tacnet jam, webify, etc.), and then shoot weakened enemy. Notice both still end in combat. Theres nothing wrong with the scout being a direct combat role, it provides a class for those of us who are skilled at FPS a good payoff. Its needs its strafe tuned up, back to chromozone days though. But it needs to be more effective at EWAR than Combat, thats what I've been trying to get across. But apparently since I want Scouts to be relevant on the battlefield, people think I'm trying to get them nerfed, or turn them into a 'Sissy' class. This has gotten to a new level of ridiculous. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4447	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:50:00 - [30] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: mollerz wrote: Wait! Now people want to nerfing the NK bonus? Omg. The minja is going to become extinct with all this bs. Nobody said nerfing, I dont think the word was uttered once in this thread, just replace the bonus for christsake. How does a simple request turn into 4 pages of an arguement with people that dont understand that Scouts need to focus on EWAR before combat. Scouts should still retain some of their combat effectivness, but they should be EWAR before direct combat. They should be a direct counter to heavies, then EWAR afterwards. Thats why we have a direct, high alpha damage, in your face weapon like the knives. No they shouldn't, the Heavy is a combat orientated role, a Scout should never beat a Combat Role in a fair one versus one, which is why they have EWAR to tip the battle in their favour. Holy crap, its not that hard to understand. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)

Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4447	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:57:00 - [31] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Its not hard to understand, its just wrong. Whats the scout suppost to do in ambush, oh wait, nothing. Scouts should be skirmishers, not EWAR bitches, Yeah, I gave you a chance to redeem yourself and show that you were not as stupid as I thought. Looks like you'll be the first person to be on my block list. Good luck with your CPM thing, I really hope you dont get elected, or are even considered by CCP. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)

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