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Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 901	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:11:00 - [1] - Quote I'll Propose buffs to these weapons below and why they are needed. These weapons do not have Aim Assist enabled, however, Splash is their aim assist. The splash weapons were so powerful before aim assist was fixed because they were the only weapons with 'aim assist' at the time. Now that all the rest of the weapons have gained use of aim assist, the flaylock, plasma cannon, and mass driver are in a sore spot. The mass driver wants to suppress enemies, but a rifle does it better. The flaylock wants to finish off an enemy, but everything else except nova knives does it better The plasma cannon wants to be able to switch to its sidearm but everything else does it better. To have to have proficiency V with triple complex damage mods to do what a militia AR does is unbalanced for the massdriver. Up its damage by 50%* for all models. Now, when someone gets bonked by a massdriver, they won't stand still, turn around while not moving, and unload a couple of bullets into the md user and move on like its nothing. The breach needs to keep its splash damage, however, needs its direct hit damage doubled. The flaylock can use a 4th round in the chamber plus 2m,2.5m, and 3m splash for its std, adv, and pro levels respectively I feel that the plasma cannon is balanced against the 400 hp basic suits (if you have your skills maxed). So, at prof V, you can OHK him with splash. I feel the direct damage + splash damage for the plasma cannon should match the damage in the plasma rifle's clip of its level. I also feel that the splash damage for the plasma cannon is perfect, so I suggest increasing the direct damage to make up the difference. The new numbers: STD 1755 direct and 285 splash ADV 1842.75 direct and 299.25 splash PRO 1930.5 direct and 313.5 splash Additionally, you should be able to swap to your side arm as soon as the round leaves the chamber. *Holding percentage, not actual. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 485	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:29:00 - [2] - Quote Yay let's buff the one weapon that is broken and not fix it entirely. The reason why these weapons are not to powerful is because of the ability to be TO POWERFUL. CCP needs to rework all weapons that involve splash damage plc, flaylock, md, and forge gun. Not nerf or buff they need to be reworked but that's my opinion and you have yours so whateves We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 416	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:32:00 - [3] - Quote The mass driver IMO doesn't need a buff as it can excel in taking out groups and is technically the only weapon that can "shoot around walls." I am talking about splash damage here. The flaylock could be ok with 4 in a clip besides 3, but ROF, splash damage, or blat radius shouldn't be touched. Would bring back terrible memories. The plasma cannon is suppose to be an AV weaon, but i believe everyone uses for infantry. Which is why i say we take away the AV tag and label it an surpression weapon like a mortor. And slightly increase the blast radius. "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 624	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:35:00 - [4] - Quote Or just nerf the ARs and aim assist, the two main factors that are currently killing this game... Host of [Zilla's Games][1] ! The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense* KZ:SF rep 4 le minni
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 904	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:35:00 - [5] - Quote Mac Dac wrote: The flaylock could be ok with 4 in a clip... The plasma cannon is suppose to be an AV weaon... This proposed change would make the plasma cannon a doable AV weapon, although long reload times are a hinderance, it only gets one shot. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5480	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:35:00 - [6] - Quote No to Mass Driver. Yes to Flaylock. Yes to Plasma Cannon. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 386	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:40:00 - [7] - Quote Hell I'd settle for a reload animation that didn't block me seeing the impact location for the plasma cannon. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5481	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:40:00 - [8] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: Or just nerf the ARs and aim assist, the two main factors that are currently killing this game... I would say without aim assist this game would be even more dead. The biggest complaint of critics was bad controls, and CCP worked hard to fix it, and yet it still wasn't enough. Until they introduced aim assist, then there were zero complaints about aiming. Oh and before you say anything, I did just fine without aim assist, in fact I had a period of adjustment as I realized that the average enemy aims better, while my aiming was so good that aim assist barely helped. So basically, people got a buff against me that I didn't get. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 625	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:57:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: hackerzilla wrote: Or just nerf the ARs and aim assist, the two main factors that are currently killing this game... I would say without aim assist this game would be even more dead. The biggest complaint of critics was bad controls, and CCP worked hard to fix it, and yet it still wasn't enough. Until they introduced aim assist, then there were zero complaints about aiming. Oh and before you say anything, I did just fine without aim assist, in fact I had a period of adjustment as I realized that the average enemy aims better, while my aiming was so good that aim assist barely helped. So basically, people got a buff against me that I didn't get. So, you would rather have a stupidly low TTK (lolcod) and **** controls, than just **** controls...? Host of [Zilla's Games][1] ! The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense* KZ:SF rep 4 le minni
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 429	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:58:00 - [10] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: Or just nerf the ARs and aim assist, the two main factors that are currently killing this game... Nerf the rail and combat rifles. The basics kill faster than Duvolles. Plasma rifle needs a faster projectile. It's painfully slow. Maybe the MD could use a slight buff in blast radius. It definitely needs MORE AMMO. It only has two extra clips and it takes a whole clip to kill someone. And if we're talking "area denial" you can't do much area denying when you only have two extra clips. AR's get at least 4 with much higher DPS. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole

Radar R4D-47 0uter.Heaven 315	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:03:00 - [11] - Quote Your proposed changes are terrible except for the plasma cannon. I agree all of these weapons should have a place on the battlefield however these changes make them OP. A mass driver should be able to suppress enemies it is not truly meant to 1v1 a target. Therore increasing damage by 50% would make this a killing machine when its true purpose is to prevent groups of enemies moving closely together to advance. However I do believe if all bullets hit a target with the splash damage you should be able to kill any medium frame suit. As a user of the flaylock pistol I was sad to see it nerfed. I understood to an extent why it was. If you look at its previous stats it had direct damage or 240ish at proto and splash of 220ish. That meant a clip was able to do 600+ damage very quickly. The other side arms have a very similar clip damage output. The only issue the flaylock had was its skill to use was neglegent as it seemed to hit no matter how you aimed. Easily fixed by reducing the splash radius to still make it an effective weapon. CCP made sure a flaylock thread never appeared again though. Your proposed buff would do nothing to make it effective as its damage is to low to be used in a competitive setting. As for the plasma cannon I agree it should be able to immediately switch weapons. The splash makes it not impossible to damage an enemy. The direct damage is the only thing that truly needs an increase to make it effective at the very least scarring a enemy vehicle. I also believe from standard to proto a splash damage increase should be more then 50. A splash increase on the proto should bring in to a more competitive position.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5481	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:03:00 - [12] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: Cat Merc wrote: hackerzilla wrote: Or just nerf the ARs and aim assist, the two main factors that are currently killing this game... I would say without aim assist this game would be even more dead. The biggest complaint of critics was bad controls, and CCP worked hard to fix it, and yet it still wasn't enough. Until they introduced aim assist, then there were zero complaints about aiming. Oh and before you say anything, I did just fine without aim assist, in fact I had a period of adjustment as I realized that the average enemy aims better, while my aiming was so good that aim assist barely helped. So basically, people got a buff against me that I didn't get. So, you would rather have a stupidly low TTK (lolcod) and **** controls, than just **** controls...? It's not stupidly low, I can deal with it. TTK can be fixed without removing aim assist, you are making a forced connection between the two. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
ugg reset Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 438	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:06:00 - [13] - Quote I have prof !V in MDs and Prof I in PLCs. ignore this guy, we're good. Thr33 is the magic number.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1767	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:08:00 - [14] - Quote McFurious wrote: hackerzilla wrote: Or just nerf the ARs and aim assist, the two main factors that are currently killing this game... Nerf the rail and combat rifles. The basics kill faster than Duvolles. Plasma rifle needs a faster projectile. It's painfully slow. Maybe the MD could use a slight buff in blast radius. It definitely needs MORE AMMO. It only has two extra clips and it takes a whole clip to kill someone. And if we're talking "area denial" you can't do much area denying when you only have two extra clips. AR's get at least 4 with much higher DPS. I agree with the ammo buff, mainly due to it's low damage. But you shouldn't be using an MD to get kills. When I use my Assault MD to suppress groups, it does it's job well. But only because I am sitting on two K-2 hives. Needs more ammo. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Tectonic Fusion 964	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:10:00 - [15] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: The flaylock wants to finish off an enemy, but everything else except nova knives does it better I beg to differ. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 905	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:15:00 - [16] - Quote ugg reset wrote: I have prof IV in MDs and Prof I in PLCs. listen to this guy, we need it. Fixed for you. I have all of the weapons and use them all. I also have all the dropsuits, and use them all. These changes are offered from experience with the weapons of all levels. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1555	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:18:00 - [17] - Quote As a Mass Driver user the Mass Driver does not require a buff, the TTK formthe Mass Driver is perfect. Instead the TTK for the Rifles, HMG and SMG need to be nerfed by approximately 20% in total, assuming the ROF bonus for assaults. The only thing the Mass Driver needs is a larger Spare Ammo pool. The current isn't enough for the mass driver to do its job. Give the Mass Driver 42 Slugs after Max Ammo Capacity Skill and it will be fine. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 267	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:24:00 - [18] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: I'll Propose buffs to these weapons below and why they are needed. These weapons do not have Aim Assist enabled, however, Splash is their aim assist. The splash weapons were so powerful before aim assist was fixed because they were the only weapons with 'aim assist' at the time. Now that all the rest of the weapons have gained use of aim assist, the flaylock, plasma cannon, and mass driver are in a sore spot. The mass driver wants to suppress enemies, but a rifle does it better. The flaylock wants to finish off an enemy, but everything else except nova knives does it better The plasma cannon wants to be able to switch to its sidearm but everything else does it better. To have to have proficiency V with triple complex damage mods to do what a militia AR does is unbalanced for the massdriver. Up its damage by 50%* for all models. Now, when someone gets bonked by a massdriver, they won't stand still, turn around while not moving, and unload a couple of bullets into the md user and move on like its nothing. The breach needs to keep its splash damage, however, needs its direct hit damage doubled. The flaylock can use a 4th round in the chamber plus 2m,2.5m, and 3m splash for its std, adv, and pro levels respectively I feel that the plasma cannon is balanced against the 400 hp basic suits (if you have your skills maxed). So, at prof V, you can OHK him with splash. I feel the direct damage + splash damage for the plasma cannon should match the damage in the plasma rifle's clip of its level. I also feel that the splash damage for the plasma cannon is perfect, so I suggest increasing the direct damage to make up the difference. The new numbers: STD 1755 direct and 285 splash ADV 1842.75 direct and 299.25 splash PRO 1930.5 direct and 313.5 splash Additionally, you should be able to swap to your side arm as soon as the round leaves the chamber. *Holding percentage, not actual. Why buffing ALL WEAPONS to be in line with the 4 rifles while we could just....Nerf the 4 rifles ? And BAM double kill the TTK issue is solved because it was the 4 rifles that DESTROY the TTK.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11926	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:25:00 - [19] - Quote I dont think the plasma cannon needs a stats buff but an operational buff, the charge time is a bit lame. MDs are okay other guns needs a weak down though. Flaylock the only one in my eyes needing somewhat of a buff thanks to its last overnerf. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Radar R4D-47 0uter.Heaven 315	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:30:00 - [20] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I dont think the plasma cannon needs a stats buff but an operational buff, the charge time is a bit lame. MDs are okay other guns needs a weak down though. Flaylock the only one in my eyes needing somewhat of a buff thanks to its last overnerf. Plasma cannon is caldari it follows the lore. Personally I like the charge time. I have plasma cannon pro 2 and find I waste fewer shots because I use the charge time to adjust my aim or stop myself fromwastig the shot.

Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 905	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:44:00 - [21] - Quote Radar R4D-47 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I dont think the plasma cannon needs a stats buff but an operational buff, the charge time is a bit lame. MDs are okay other guns needs a weak down though. Flaylock the only one in my eyes needing somewhat of a buff thanks to its last overnerf. Plasma cannon is caldari it follows the lore. Personally I like the charge time. I have plasma cannon pro 2 and find I waste fewer shots because I use the charge time to adjust my aim or stop myself fromwastig the shot. No, plasma cannon is gallente. It is the gallente light AV weapon the caldari light AV weapon is the swarm launcher. Buffing the damage as proposed in the OP makes it much more viable as an AV weapon without changing it's current usefullness against infantry. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Munin-Frey Fish Spotters Inc. 82	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:50:00 - [22] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Hell I'd settle for a reload animation that didn't block me seeing the impact location for the plasma cannon. tell me about it. Or at least if it would reload every time instead of messing up the reload and then doing the reload the next time you try to shoot. PLC isn't exactly an AV weapon... for one thing the projectile is WAY too slow to effectively shoot anything that flies and is mostly too slow to shoot anything other than the slowest wheeled vehicles.
Munin-Frey Fish Spotters Inc. 82	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:53:00 - [23] - Quote Radar R4D-47 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I dont think the plasma cannon needs a stats buff but an operational buff, the charge time is a bit lame. MDs are okay other guns needs a weak down though. Flaylock the only one in my eyes needing somewhat of a buff thanks to its last overnerf. Plasma cannon is caldari it follows the lore. Personally I like the charge time. I have plasma cannon pro 2 and find I waste fewer shots because I use the charge time to adjust my aim or stop myself fromwastig the shot. PLC is Galentee I think.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5482	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:56:00 - [24] - Quote Radar R4D-47 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I dont think the plasma cannon needs a stats buff but an operational buff, the charge time is a bit lame. MDs are okay other guns needs a weak down though. Flaylock the only one in my eyes needing somewhat of a buff thanks to its last overnerf. Plasma cannon is caldari it follows the lore. Personally I like the charge time. I have plasma cannon pro 2 and find I waste fewer shots because I use the charge time to adjust my aim or stop myself fromwastig the shot. Plasma Cannon is Gallente Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 388	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:56:00 - [25] - Quote Munin-Frey wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Hell I'd settle for a reload animation that didn't block me seeing the impact location for the plasma cannon. tell me about it. Or at least if it would reload every time instead of messing up the reload and then doing the reload the next time you try to shoot. PLC isn't exactly an AV weapon... for one thing the projectile is WAY too slow to effectively shoot anything that flies and is mostly too slow to shoot anything other than the slowest wheeled vehicles. And don't ever get into a 1v1 with any forge gunner, they get this huge reticule that turns red, and a super fast projectile that insta hits. We have this super slow projectile and and have to guess every time we fire. Don't get me wrong I love the arc of the projectile but it taking a miracle to hit the same spot twice really drags down the plasma cannon. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11931	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:59:00 - [26] - Quote Radar R4D-47 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I dont think the plasma cannon needs a stats buff but an operational buff, the charge time is a bit lame. MDs are okay other guns needs a weak down though. Flaylock the only one in my eyes needing somewhat of a buff thanks to its last overnerf. Plasma cannon is caldari it follows the lore. Personally I like the charge time. I have plasma cannon pro 2 and find I waste fewer shots because I use the charge time to adjust my aim or stop myself fromwastig the shot. Plasma cannon is gallente and is considered a breach type launcher. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 106	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:19:00 - [27] - Quote Radar R4D-47 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I dont think the plasma cannon needs a stats buff but an operational buff, the charge time is a bit lame. MDs are okay other guns needs a weak down though. Flaylock the only one in my eyes needing somewhat of a buff thanks to its last overnerf. Plasma cannon is caldari it follows the lore. Personally I like the charge time. I have plasma cannon pro 2 and find I waste fewer shots because I use the charge time to adjust my aim or stop myself fromwastig the shot. Sorry bro, but Caldari don't do plasma, that's Gallente. Gallente = Plasma Minmatar = Autocannon Amarr = Laser Caldari = Rail/Missiles
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 906	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:21:00 - [28] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Radar R4D-47 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I dont think the plasma cannon needs a stats buff but an operational buff, the charge time is a bit lame. MDs are okay other guns needs a weak down though. Flaylock the only one in my eyes needing somewhat of a buff thanks to its last overnerf. Plasma cannon is caldari it follows the lore. Personally I like the charge time. I have plasma cannon pro 2 and find I waste fewer shots because I use the charge time to adjust my aim or stop myself fromwastig the shot. Sorry bro, but Caldari don't do plasma, that's Gallente. Gallente = Plasma Minmatar = Autocannon Amarr = Laser Caldari = Rail/Missiles Gallente = Plasma/Drones Minmatar = autocannon/artillery (although they invented most of the missiles used by the other races) Amarr = Pulse Laser/Beam Laser Caldari = Rail/Missiles (most of the varieties of missile employed in eve, however, were made by minmatar.) Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 429	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:31:00 - [29] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: McFurious wrote: hackerzilla wrote: Or just nerf the ARs and aim assist, the two main factors that are currently killing this game... Nerf the rail and combat rifles. The basics kill faster than Duvolles. Plasma rifle needs a faster projectile. It's painfully slow. Maybe the MD could use a slight buff in blast radius. It definitely needs MORE AMMO. It only has two extra clips and it takes a whole clip to kill someone. And if we're talking "area denial" you can't do much area denying when you only have two extra clips. AR's get at least 4 with much higher DPS. I agree with the ammo buff, mainly due to it's low damage. But you shouldn't be using an MD to get kills. When I use my Assault MD to suppress groups, it does it's job well. But only because I am sitting on two K-2 hives. Needs more ammo. Add points for suppression. +25 sounds about right. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3294	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:35:00 - [30] - Quote All I want is hit markers back :'( Lack of content makes stuff broken... Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer

Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1946	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:45:00 - [31] - Quote The splash for the flaylock needs to be buffed, but not that much. It would become OP again. Instead, buff it by .25 per tier and direct dmg by 50. Plasma cannon needs to just not be so glitchy. Fix that before anything, but I do agree with your direct dmg buff. Hopefully we get the DoT effect in the future. Buffing the dmg on the mass driver would be crazy. The weapon hasn't changed from its OP days, hit detection got fixed and AA is wayyyyy too strong. It's not meant to be a run and gun weapon, it's meant to lock down a area(or so many MD users said before the hit detection fix, which is why they didn't want it nerfed) and it still does that. No buff needed. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1771	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:13:00 - [32] - Quote McFurious wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: McFurious wrote: hackerzilla wrote: Or just nerf the ARs and aim assist, the two main factors that are currently killing this game... Nerf the rail and combat rifles. The basics kill faster than Duvolles. Plasma rifle needs a faster projectile. It's painfully slow. Maybe the MD could use a slight buff in blast radius. It definitely needs MORE AMMO. It only has two extra clips and it takes a whole clip to kill someone. And if we're talking "area denial" you can't do much area denying when you only have two extra clips. AR's get at least 4 with much higher DPS. I agree with the ammo buff, mainly due to it's low damage. But you shouldn't be using an MD to get kills. When I use my Assault MD to suppress groups, it does it's job well. But only because I am sitting on two K-2 hives. Needs more ammo. Add points for suppression. +25 sounds about right. Would this be added only upon enemy death? so +50 total? (+25 for suppress and +25 for Kill assist) Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1771	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:15:00 - [33] - Quote Also, Flaylock needs tons of direct damage. 200 for std, 250 for adv and 300 for Proto. This would do 431 damage to armor with max proficiency. Good for cracking open armor suits if you can nail the direct shots. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
abarkrishna WarRavens 259	Posted - 2014.01.12 01:41:00 - [34] - Quote As a mass driver user since it came out I can tell you 2 things. The first thing being that damage output is fine. 100 Hp damage roughly per shot( Splash only) is great for area denial. Any more and people would not have a chance. Depending on the model you use your DPS is anywhere from 100 DPS to 400 DPS not including stats from proficiency or operation, pure gun stats. It is a little on the low side but if it was any higher it would quickly become OP. However I would say that it needs more total ammo. 3 clips is not enough for any weapon. That is really all that should even be considered. No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2. When will they learn!
ugg reset molon labe. Public Disorder. 438	Posted - 2014.01.12 01:45:00 - [35] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: ugg reset wrote: I have prof IV in MDs and Prof I in PLCs. listen to this guy, we need it. Fixed for you. I h¦¦a¦¦v¦¦e¦¦ ¦¦a¦¦l¦¦l¦¦ ¦¦o¦¦f¦¦ ¦¦t¦¦h¦¦e¦¦ ¦¦w¦¦e¦¦a¦¦p¦¦o¦¦n¦¦s¦¦ ¦¦a¦¦n¦¦d¦¦ ¦¦u¦¦s¦¦e¦¦ ¦¦t¦¦h¦¦e¦¦m¦¦ ¦¦a¦¦l¦¦l¦¦ like taking PLC rounds up the pooper. Refixed, you're welcome. Thr33 is the magic number.
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 431	Posted - 2014.01.12 02:01:00 - [36] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: McFurious wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: McFurious wrote: hackerzilla wrote: Or just nerf the ARs and aim assist, the two main factors that are currently killing this game... Nerf the rail and combat rifles. The basics kill faster than Duvolles. Plasma rifle needs a faster projectile. It's painfully slow. Maybe the MD could use a slight buff in blast radius. It definitely needs MORE AMMO. It only has two extra clips and it takes a whole clip to kill someone. And if we're talking "area denial" you can't do much area denying when you only have two extra clips. AR's get at least 4 with much higher DPS. I agree with the ammo buff, mainly due to it's low damage. But you shouldn't be using an MD to get kills. When I use my Assault MD to suppress groups, it does it's job well. But only because I am sitting on two K-2 hives. Needs more ammo. Add points for suppression. +25 sounds about right. Would this be added only upon enemy death? so +50 total? (+25 for suppress and +25 for Kill assist) Yeah that'd work. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 595	Posted - 2014.01.12 02:31:00 - [37] - Quote Standard MD is just bad compared to Rifles. There is little reason to use it because the splash is just not large enough to be worth the DPS cut. Rail Rifles are the worst because the are well in your optimal, out DPSing you. Rifles can drop 2 people faster than you can, and the standard MD struggles to hit more than 2 people with that splash and RoF. Assault MD can suppress, and I actually think it's fine the way it is. It's the best MD variant, and pretty much the only one worth using. Breach is terrible, even as an AV option, don't use it. MDs have to have ammo management, clip management, optimal management, and awareness due to you auto-losing to shields. You will have to except the fact that you will lose 1v1 to the most popular weapons in the game, even in you optimal. Once 1.8 comes Heavies virtually immune to you, and Armor Assaults getting a buff against you. MDs have taken a nosedive in usage, will be almost non-existent in 1.8, and I don't blame anyone. If anything there needs to be an increase in Ammo supply, there is no reason the MD should require that much maintenance. Breach needs to have a RoF increase. I also think clip size needs to be increased across the board, but I know many wouldn't like that.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 595	Posted - 2014.01.12 02:35:00 - [38] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: As a mass driver user since it came out I can tell you 2 things. The first thing being that damage output is fine. 100 Hp damage roughly per shot( Splash only) is great for area denial. Any more and people would not have a chance. Depending on the model you use your DPS is anywhere from 100 DPS to 400 DPS not including stats from proficiency or operation, pure gun stats. It is a little on the low side but if it was any higher it would quickly become OP. However I would say that it needs more total ammo. 3 clips is not enough for any weapon. That is really all that should even be considered. In what world? Rifles take you down in less than a second, and the MD needs 6 seconds to get it's entire clip off. And a clip won't kill Heavies and Protos Mediums with HP values through the roof.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 794	Posted - 2014.01.12 02:38:00 - [39] - Quote All three of these guns need a complete rework in how they even work in concept. You can't have high alpha damage AOE weapons... it hasn't worked well for balance in any game genre. Plasma cannon - should of been a massive AoE medium to small damage AOE with 3-4 sec reload. "Hey Jimmy there is a group of 8+ Redberry's, we need you to AOE them and we'll send in heavies and shotguns to clean up their left overshields and armor." But in order for that to be a viable playstyle, Kill Assists have to be a tracked and displayed Mercenary statistic, So supporting mercenary roles can get credit for their hard work aswell. Mass Driver - Should be a massive AOE radius, with small to medium type damage. and a way better ROF. And twice as long if not longer the reload time. Would then act as an area of denial weapon, with reload timers giving for counterable positional gains. Right now its an Area of death gun, one clip allowing the killing potential to drop any suit in the game with such high alpha damage on an AoE weapon will always make it a gun that feels wrong in a multiplayer FPS. Flaylock. Most of us thought during the hayday of the flaylock that it should of been an emergency case secondary weapon. So you have 3 explosive rounds that do decent damage in a smaller AOE then a MD. Then have like a 3 second reload on it. If you watch the video's of the flaylock hayday's you'll notice sometimes people will reload 200+ times in a match... that was one of my main problems with the gun. Definitely not nerfing Direct Impact damage like one of the three nerfs the flaylock received... so when I shoot someone in the head I do less damage then if I shot the ground beneath their feet.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 598	Posted - 2014.01.12 02:50:00 - [40] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Would then act as an area of denial weapon, with reload timers giving for counterable positional gains. Right now its an Area of death gun, one clip allowing the killing potential to drop any suit in the game. With such high alpha damage on an AoE weapon, it will always make it a gun that feels wrong in a multiplayer FPS.. Lol. MD is killing Heavies and proto medium frames with a single clip? This is how you know you don't use the MD. And everything has to be relative. Compared to almost everything else in the game, the DPS is low.

Slim Winning BIG BAD W0LVES 13	Posted - 2014.01.12 03:01:00 - [41] - Quote The OP must be new here. The MD and Flaylock were once the most used and lethal weapons in the game. They terroized lobbies and ruined PC for months. Do you think milkman1, the FoTM Posterchild, shot up those leaderboards with just an AR? Thank God, thank him that those nightmares were undone what seems long ago. But, what is a Plasma Cannon? Is it a newweapon they just installed?
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2668	Posted - 2014.01.12 03:17:00 - [42] - Quote Mass Driver User here: I have used it effectively this patch. It's a niche weapon and as of lately that is especially true. It is much harder to get kills with it on average and since I pair it with my scout suit, I stand even less chance against the Rifles. I definitely died many times trying to adjust to 1.7, with the Mass Driver. But last week I just worked my issues with it out. I stopped running on lower elevations with it. I find where all the fighting is and I look for an elevated place in 100 meters around. I pick a perch and I bombard from outside effective ranges. Also as everyone knows, elevation makes the Mass Driver so much easier to use. I am not impressed with the Assault MD (EC something) due to **** poor damage. But the rapid fire is kind of cool and I have been killed by it before. I got a kill with the EK-A2 breach mass driver (direct hit on scout) and felt bad ass. The EK is definitely an improvement over the standard breach.....anyways I think the Mass Driver seems over-niched nowadays, being almost impossible to compete at close distances now, the Rifles are overwhelming. But the niche is still there, get a good position and bomb. I don't go for kills anymore, I used to. Now I use the mass driver like a Logistics would, just kind of carpet bomb an area. However it's effective at carpet bombing dense clusters of enemies and those who aren't quick will die and the splash radius means a lot of assists when you don't kill. It's not Chromosome status at all but I can work with it. The most I could ask for is a small radius buff. After all it sort of has been pushed to longer ranges due to new rifles. But I could survive without it if "rebalancing" brings MD some favorable indirect-buffs. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 432	Posted - 2014.01.12 03:48:00 - [43] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Mass Driver User here: I have used it effectively this patch. It's a niche weapon and as of lately that is especially true. It is much harder to get kills with it on average and since I pair it with my scout suit, I stand even less chance against the Rifles. I definitely died many times trying to adjust to 1.7, with the Mass Driver. But last week I just worked my issues with it out. I stopped running on lower elevations with it. I find where all the fighting is and I look for an elevated place in 100 meters around. I pick a perch and I bombard from outside effective ranges. Also as everyone knows, elevation makes the Mass Driver so much easier to use. I am not impressed with the Assault MD (EC something) due to ** poor damage. But the rapid fire is kind of cool and I have been killed by it before. I got a kill with the EK-A2 breach mass driver (direct hit on scout) and felt bad ass. The EK is definitely an improvement over the standard breach.....anyways I think the Mass Driver seems over-niched nowadays, being almost impossible to compete at close distances now, the Rifles are overwhelming. But the niche is still there, get a good position and bomb. I don't go for kills anymore, I used to. Now I use the mass driver like a Logistics would, just kind of carpet bomb an area. However it's effective at carpet bombing dense clusters of enemies and those who aren't quick will die and the splash radius means a lot of assists when you don't kill. It's not Chromosome status at all but I can work with it. The most I could ask for is a small radius buff. After all it sort of has been pushed to longer ranges due to new rifles. But I could survive without it if "rebalancing" brings MD some favorable indirect-buffs. If Minmatar Assault gets a ROF buff that'd definitely help the MD. I think the breach MD's should have a higher ROF in general though. They're already very gimped with their small blast radius (no good for area denial). I think they'd be fine if they just had the standard ROF but any increase at all would be ok with me. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole**
Mordecai Snake Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 16	Posted - 2014.01.12 04:13:00 - [44] - Quote Remove splash damage of the core breach MD and buff it's direct damage to at least 1000 to make it an AV weapon.
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 433	Posted - 2014.01.12 04:15:00 - [45] - Quote Mordecai Snake wrote: Remove splash damage of the core breach MD and buff it's direct damage to at least 1000 to make it an AV weapon. That'd be a 6 shot plasma cannon. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole
Yeeeuuuupppp KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 17	Posted - 2014.01.12 04:25:00 - [46] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: No to Mass Driver. Yes to Flaylock. Yes to Plasma Cannon. A mass driver doesn't kill fast enough to be a threat in direct combat, but does more than enough to make me think twice than to enter that pathway where I know the mass driver user is watching. And it's SUPPOSED to be like this. It is fine, just that it no longer beats direct damage weapons. It also has perks like being able to hit people behind cover, so you can apply the damage in more situations and make cover practically useless. (Trust me, I saw people in PC that use it to great effect to funnel troops into a crossfire) Intelligence? I'm the forums? You are a rare one but I hate MD and I love flaylock and plasma canon. Doo I say **** the noob tube Carving Hearts in People's Backs, One Day At A Time ~ Nova Knives
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Intara Direct Action Caldari State 339	Posted - 2014.01.12 04:49:00 - [47] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: Or just nerf the ARs and aim assist, the two main factors that are currently killing this game... Get out of my head ... I only have room for me . Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1583	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:32:00 - [48] - Quote yay Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2668	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:37:00 - [49] - Quote McFurious wrote: If Minmatar Assault gets a ROF buff that'd definitely help the MD. I think the breach MD's should have a higher ROF in general though. They're already very gimped with their small blast radius (no good for area denial). I think they'd be fine if they just had the standard ROF but any increase at all would be ok with me. The Breach MD is actually fine Just incredibly difficult to use I found out that if you use it in the tight halls and catwalks, they can't strafe away fast enough or far enough and people will be hit by it. The one time I found it's golden Niche I killed a heavy and a Calsault and caused the rest to back off. It's area denial in a different sense. That's my opinion on it. It's a niche inside a niche. It's probably the most situational weapon in the game. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Shiruba Ryou molon labe. Public Disorder. 88	Posted - 2014.01.12 06:10:00 - [50] - Quote Could someone please point me to the place that said that the Plasma Cannon was supposed to be an AV weapon? I remember when the weapon was announced quite well. It looked and said it was a cannon and everyone simply screamed, "OH FINALLY A GALLENTE AV WEAPON." It never said that it was. So when the weapon released, people tried it for AV. It sucked. As it does now. The weapon description states that is for Urban CQC. Nothing about AV use anywhere. But unfortunately it sucks there too. The charges are large yet fly straight through targets while the splash rarely registers. The only thing I want, is for the Plasma Cannon to actually 'work' in one of these things. Or even something else entirely. But as of right now I think it's completely useless. Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fucking fruit salad.

Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 598	Posted - 2014.01.12 06:14:00 - [51] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: McFurious wrote: If Minmatar Assault gets a ROF buff that'd definitely help the MD. I think the breach MD's should have a higher ROF in general though. They're already very gimped with their small blast radius (no good for area denial). I think they'd be fine if they just had the standard ROF but any increase at all would be ok with me. The Breach MD is actually fine Just incredibly difficult to use I found out that if you use it in the tight halls and catwalks, they can't strafe away fast enough or far enough and people will be hit by it. The one time I found it's golden Niche I killed a heavy and a Calsault and caused the rest to back off. It's area denial in a different sense. That's my opinion on it. It's a niche inside a niche. It's probably the most situational weapon in the game. Core Lotus does it way better in your scenario. Hell Combat Rifle does it better. It's not fine, it's just bad.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 598	Posted - 2014.01.12 06:16:00 - [52] - Quote Slim Winning wrote: The OP must be new here. The MD and Flaylock were once the most used and lethal weapons in the game. They terroized lobbies and ruined PC for months. Do you think milkman1, the FoTM Posterchild, shot up those leaderboards with just an AR? Thank God, thank him that those nightmares were undone what seems long ago. But, what is a Plasma Cannon? Is it a newweapon they just installed? MD was never overpowered, absolutely nothing changed about it, it was just QQ and Aiming problems. Once aiming was fixed and Aim Assist rolled in, the MD QQ threads disappeared in an instant.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 939	Posted - 2014.01.12 09:24:00 - [53] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: I'll Propose buffs to these weapons below and why they are needed. These weapons do not have Aim Assist enabled, however, Splash is their aim assist. The splash weapons were so powerful before aim assist was fixed because they were the only weapons with 'aim assist' at the time. Now that all the rest of the weapons have gained use of aim assist, the flaylock, plasma cannon, and mass driver are in a sore spot. The mass driver wants to suppress enemies, but a rifle does it better. The flaylock wants to finish off an enemy, but everything else except nova knives does it better The plasma cannon wants to be able to switch to its sidearm but everything else does it better. To have to have proficiency V with triple complex damage mods to do what a militia AR does is unbalanced for the massdriver. Up its damage by 50%* for all models. Now, when someone gets bonked by a massdriver, they won't stand still, turn around while not moving, and unload a couple of bullets into the md user and move on like its nothing. The breach needs to keep its splash damage, however, needs its direct hit damage doubled. The flaylock can use a 4th round in the chamber plus 2m,2.5m, and 3m splash for its std, adv, and pro levels respectively I feel that the plasma cannon is balanced against the 400 hp basic suits (if you have your skills maxed). So, at prof V, you can OHK him with splash. I feel the direct damage + splash damage for the plasma cannon should match the damage in the plasma rifle's clip of its level. I also feel that the splash damage for the plasma cannon is perfect, so I suggest increasing the direct damage to make up the difference. The new numbers: STD 1755 direct and 285 splash ADV 1842.75 direct and 299.25 splash PRO 1930.5 direct and 313.5 splash Additionally, you should be able to swap to your side arm as soon as the round leaves the chamber. *Holding percentage, not actual. The Militia AR does not hit people in a large radius all with one round like the Mass Driver, nor does it allow you to throw off peoples aim like the MD or hit people behind cover. Not all weapons are slayer weapons, and some people just don't get that. Not all weapons are meant for going out and amassing crazy amounts of kills with. The MD is a support weapon. Not a suppression weapon, not a slayer weapon, not a sniping weapon, not a run-and-gun weapon......... a support weapon. Suppression is only a secondary role for the MD. You finish off the guys running away around the corners or behind cover from the AR fire, you soften up people from a high location for your squad to finish off, you take out rooms full of equipment, you spam a doorway to hold people back while your heavy reloads. You know, support. AR - slayer/run-and-gun HMG - suppression/point defense LR - (supposed to be) ranged support/ranged suppression MD - support/suppression I got no problems with you in particular, but a 50% damage increase for a weapon that works perfectly within it's role is a ridiculous request coming from anyone. An HMG out DPS's the AR and can hit multiple people within a radius, but the AR has more range and can be fitted on a faster suit. The AR out DPS's the MD, but the MD hit's over and around cover and can hit multiple people within a radius. They each fill a niche. As for overall weapon balancing, that's a whole other topic, but on this specific subject, they are fine as they are. For proof, see PC matches in the Gallente research facility. The only buffs I would like to see MD's get is the ability to reload one round at a time like the shotgun (so if need be you can reload a single round in a pinch) and slightly increase the ammo carry capacity (by around 5-10 rounds). Beyond that though, anything else would be too much. As for the other two weapons, I've not used them nearly enough to have any say in what changes should be made to them. I know that Flaylocks were insane before and aren't hardly worth the SP investment anymore, so some middle ground needs to be found. And I know that the PLC is worse than even swarms as AV weapons and are only semi-viable as AI in truly skilled hands. Against a real team, the PLC is a hindrance and not an asset. Sincerely ~ A mass driver user who's used them off and on since they were put into the game Buff passive scans & fix TTK! My Closed Beta Alts - Overlord Ulath, Overlord Bosse, Overlord Zero
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 704	Posted - 2014.01.12 10:51:00 - [54] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: As a Mass Driver user the Mass Driver does not require a buff, the TTK formthe Mass Driver is perfect. Instead the TTK for the Rifles, HMG and SMG need to be nerfed by approximately 20% in total, assuming the ROF bonus for assaults. The only thing the Mass Driver needs is a larger Spare Ammo pool. The current isn't enough for the mass driver to do its job. Give the Mass Driver 42 Slugs after Max Ammo Capacity Skill and it will be fine. NO! The HMG is finally useful again it dosent need a nerf!
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 704	Posted - 2014.01.12 10:53:00 - [55] - Quote McFurious wrote: hackerzilla wrote: Or just nerf the ARs and aim assist, the two main factors that are currently killing this game... Nerf the rail and combat rifles. The basics kill faster than Duvolles. Plasma rifle needs a faster projectile. It's painfully slow. Maybe the MD could use a slight buff in blast radius. It definitely needs MORE AMMO. It only has two extra clips and it takes a whole clip to kill someone. And if we're talking "area denial" you can't do much area denying when you only have two extra clips. AR's get at least 4 with much higher DPS. Do you mean the plasma cannon needs a faster projectile? Plasma rifle is a hit scan
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 704	Posted - 2014.01.12 10:55:00 - [56] - Quote Mac Dac wrote: The mass driver IMO doesn't need a buff as it can excel in taking out groups and is technically the only weapon that can "shoot around walls." I am talking about splash damage here. The flaylock could be ok with 4 in a clip besides 3, but ROF, splash damage, or blat radius shouldn't be touched. Would bring back terrible memories. The plasma cannon is suppose to be an AV weaon, but i believe everyone uses for infantry. Which is why i say we take away the AV tag and label it an surpression weapon like a mortor. And slightly increase the blast radius. Flaylock could have a 100 round mag and it would still be terrible Increase splash radius to 1.25/1.5/1.75 for STD/ADV/PRO and mabey a small damage buff
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 440	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:45:00 - [57] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: hackerzilla wrote: Or just nerf the ARs and aim assist, the two main factors that are currently killing this game... I would say without aim assist this game would be even more dead. The biggest complaint of critics was bad controls, and CCP worked hard to fix it, and yet it still wasn't enough. Until they introduced aim assist, then there were zero complaints about aiming. Oh and before you say anything, I did just fine without aim assist, in fact I had a period of adjustment as I realized that the average enemy aims better, while my aiming was so good that aim assist barely helped. So basically, people got a buff against me that I didn't get. ^ This. Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 440	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:47:00 - [58] - Quote I agree, these weapons need to be rebalanced in some way (nothing too drastic though). Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1564	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:57:00 - [59] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: As a Mass Driver user the Mass Driver does not require a buff, the TTK formthe Mass Driver is perfect. Instead the TTK for the Rifles, HMG and SMG need to be nerfed by approximately 20% in total, assuming the ROF bonus for assaults. The only thing the Mass Driver needs is a larger Spare Ammo pool. The current isn't enough for the mass driver to do its job. Give the Mass Driver 42 Slugs after Max Ammo Capacity Skill and it will be fine. NO! The HMG is finally useful again it dosent need a nerf! A damage nerf isn't going to make it unusful all of a sudden especially, if the HROF weaponry recieves the same. It will just lower the TTK a little and will probably cement the HMG's position of Medium Range Combat even more. ALL HROF Weapons need a damage nerf. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1387	Posted - 2014.01.12 17:17:00 - [60] - Quote The mass driver is fine: at least the assault variant is. I played a Domination match today and I pretty much "dominated" with a nice 42 kills and 2 deaths. I have to admit, having everyone jumbled up in one enclosed room on the Lab map did make things easier.... lulz. I wasn't even aiming, I just sat on nanohives, turned towards the direction blueberries were shooting, and spammed the hell out of my R1 button.

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 804	Posted - 2014.01.12 17:26:00 - [61] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Bethhy wrote: Would then act as an area of denial weapon, with reload timers giving for counterable positional gains. Right now its an Area of death gun, one clip allowing the killing potential to drop any suit in the game. With such high alpha damage on an AoE weapon, it will always make it a gun that feels wrong in a multiplayer FPS.. Lol. MD is killing Heavies and proto medium frames with a single clip? This is how you know you don't use the MD. And everything has to be relative. Compared to almost everything else in the game, the DPS is low. If it's a shield base suit then it's iffy(fluxes seem... different? so a bit harder)... but yes dropping the armor in few shots on proto's like nothing with a very little skilled MD Logi. And of course no sidearm so you keep track of what you kill and what it takes to kill them very well. The problem is more for MD when your shooting this giant smoke flare to where you are... is AA... when 2-3 even militia weapon variants lock on to you... your dead in less then a second. no matter how fast you move... or jump or even get behind cover.. So the only way to use it with impunity is to be in a hard to get to area, usually above them... so you have 2 shots in the air in their general direction before they know what hits them. Meh.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 600	Posted - 2014.01.12 17:31:00 - [62] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: Bethhy wrote: Would then act as an area of denial weapon, with reload timers giving for counterable positional gains. Right now its an Area of death gun, one clip allowing the killing potential to drop any suit in the game. With such high alpha damage on an AoE weapon, it will always make it a gun that feels wrong in a multiplayer FPS.. Lol. MD is killing Heavies and proto medium frames with a single clip? This is how you know you don't use the MD. And everything has to be relative. Compared to almost everything else in the game, the DPS is low. If it's a shield base suit then it's iffy(fluxes seem... different? so a bit harder)... but yes dropping the armor in few shots on proto's like nothing with a very little skilled MD Logi. And of course no sidearm so you keep track of what you kill and what it takes to kill them very well. The problem is more for MD when your shooting this giant smoke flare to where you are... is AA... when 2-3 even militia weapon variants lock on to you... your dead in less then a second. no matter how fast you move... or jump or even get behind cover.. So the only way to use it with impunity is to be in a hard to get to area, usually above them... so you have 2 shots in the air in their general direction before they know what hits them. Meh. Nope it's not iffy at all. Heavies suits have been known to reach 1500HP, Medium Frames up to 1100 HP. You are not killing proto medium suits or Heavies with a single clip period.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 804	Posted - 2014.01.12 17:36:00 - [63] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Bethhy wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: Bethhy wrote: Would then act as an area of denial weapon, with reload timers giving for counterable positional gains. Right now its an Area of death gun, one clip allowing the killing potential to drop any suit in the game. With such high alpha damage on an AoE weapon, it will always make it a gun that feels wrong in a multiplayer FPS.. Lol. MD is killing Heavies and proto medium frames with a single clip? This is how you know you don't use the MD. And everything has to be relative. Compared to almost everything else in the game, the DPS is low. If it's a shield base suit then it's iffy(fluxes seem... different? so a bit harder)... but yes dropping the armor in few shots on proto's like nothing with a very little skilled MD Logi. And of course no sidearm so you keep track of what you kill and what it takes to kill them very well. The problem is more for MD when your shooting this giant smoke flare to where you are... is AA... when 2-3 even militia weapon variants lock on to you... your dead in less then a second. no matter how fast you move... or jump or even get behind cover.. So the only way to use it with impunity is to be in a hard to get to area, usually above them... so you have 2 shots in the air in their general direction before they know what hits them. Meh. Nope it's not iffy at all. Heavies suits have been known to reach 1500HP, Medium Frames up to 1100 HP. You are not killing proto medium suits or Heavies with a single clip period. I know what suit's can do lol... also know what has happened is happening and did happen with the MD.. again meh...
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 547	Posted - 2014.01.12 17:59:00 - [64] - Quote I agree with the OP's premise that these weapons are not up to snuff vs basically every thing else in the game. However, I disagree with his solution as to the fix. Instead of buffing the splash damage weapons we need to decrease damage across all the rifles by 10-20% so we can get TTK to a better place while also giving the splash weapons some sort of fighting chance against the hit scan weapons.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 704	Posted - 2014.01.12 18:42:00 - [65] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: As a Mass Driver user the Mass Driver does not require a buff, the TTK formthe Mass Driver is perfect. Instead the TTK for the Rifles, HMG and SMG need to be nerfed by approximately 20% in total, assuming the ROF bonus for assaults. The only thing the Mass Driver needs is a larger Spare Ammo pool. The current isn't enough for the mass driver to do its job. Give the Mass Driver 42 Slugs after Max Ammo Capacity Skill and it will be fine. NO! The HMG is finally useful again it dosent need a nerf! A damage nerf isn't going to make it unusful all of a sudden especially, if the HROF weaponry recieves the same. It will just lower the TTK a little and will probably cement the HMG's position of Medium Range Combat even more. ALL HROF Weapons need a damage nerf. The only weapons that are killing to fast are the rifles, HMG should kill fast because its a heavy weapon that only works at close range and must be used on the slowest suit in the game
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1564	Posted - 2014.01.12 19:45:00 - [66] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: As a Mass Driver user the Mass Driver does not require a buff, the TTK formthe Mass Driver is perfect. Instead the TTK for the Rifles, HMG and SMG need to be nerfed by approximately 20% in total, assuming the ROF bonus for assaults. The only thing the Mass Driver needs is a larger Spare Ammo pool. The current isn't enough for the mass driver to do its job. Give the Mass Driver 42 Slugs after Max Ammo Capacity Skill and it will be fine. NO! The HMG is finally useful again it dosent need a nerf! A damage nerf isn't going to make it unusful all of a sudden especially, if the HROF weaponry recieves the same. It will just lower the TTK a little and will probably cement the HMG's position of Medium Range Combat even more. ALL HROF Weapons need a damage nerf. The only weapons that are killing to fast are the rifles, HMG should kill fast because its a heavy weapon that only works at close range and must be used on the slowest suit in the game And if you nerf the Rifles without nerfing the HMG it will become overpowered. Just like the SMG would. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 704	Posted - 2014.01.13 06:21:00 - [67] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: As a Mass Driver user the Mass Driver does not require a buff, the TTK formthe Mass Driver is perfect. Instead the TTK for the Rifles, HMG and SMG need to be nerfed by approximately 20% in total, assuming the ROF bonus for assaults. The only thing the Mass Driver needs is a larger Spare Ammo pool. The current isn't enough for the mass driver to do its job. Give the Mass Driver 42 Slugs after Max Ammo Capacity Skill and it will be fine. NO! The HMG is finally useful again it dosent need a nerf! A damage nerf isn't going to make it unusful all of a sudden especially, if the HROF weaponry recieves the same. It will just lower the TTK a little and will probably cement the HMG's position of Medium Range Combat even more. ALL HROF Weapons need a damage nerf. The only weapons that are killing to fast are the rifles, HMG should kill fast because its a heavy weapon that only works at close range and must be used on the slowest suit in the game And if you nerf the Rifles without nerfing the HMG it will become overpowered. Just like the SMG would. Neither the HMG or SMG is OP so no they wouldent. The rifles all kill to fast, so reduced there damage by about 10%
The Robot Devil molon labe. Public Disorder. 1538	Posted - 2014.01.13 06:40:00 - [68] - Quote I use the plasma cannon for AV and it can work. It is difficult to aim the first time and every time after that if the target is moving. I can live with the charge time but the projectile is still slow. My suggestions for the Plasma cannon is a one or two second longer charge time that fires when released. A full charge gives more speed than a quick charge, with a full charge the round moves more like a RPG and a quick charge that is a slower arc like we have now. Or it could have a three round burst type thing but each only do 1/3 the damage as a single. It would be fun, different and may work. The last would be to add an arc prediction marker but I think that would be too much and ungly. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1506	Posted - 2014.01.13 06:50:00 - [69] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: As a Mass Driver user the Mass Driver does not require a buff, the TTK formthe Mass Driver is perfect. Instead the TTK for the Rifles, HMG and SMG need to be nerfed by approximately 20% in total, assuming the ROF bonus for assaults. The only thing the Mass Driver needs is a larger Spare Ammo pool. The current isn't enough for the mass driver to do its job. Give the Mass Driver 42 Slugs after Max Ammo Capacity Skill and it will be fine. NO! The HMG is finally useful again it dosent need a nerf! A damage nerf isn't going to make it unusful all of a sudden especially, if the HROF weaponry recieves the same. It will just lower the TTK a little and will probably cement the HMG's position of Medium Range Combat even more. ALL HROF Weapons need a damage nerf. Sure. But if you do THAT the HMG needs an effective range buff. Otherwise it's useless.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3987	Posted - 2014.01.13 09:18:00 - [70] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Slim Winning wrote: The OP must be new here. The MD and Flaylock were once the most used and lethal weapons in the game. They terroized lobbies and ruined PC for months. Do you think milkman1, the FoTM Posterchild, shot up those leaderboards with just an AR? Thank God, thank him that those nightmares were undone what seems long ago. But, what is a Plasma Cannon? Is it a newweapon they just installed? MD was never overpowered, absolutely nothing changed about it, it was just QQ and Aiming problems. Once aiming was fixed and Aim Assist rolled in, the MD QQ threads disappeared in an instant. NO joke, haven't seen one in a month or two. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3987	Posted - 2014.01.13 09:23:00 - [71] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Bethhy wrote: Would then act as an area of denial weapon, with reload timers giving for counterable positional gains. Right now its an Area of death gun, one clip allowing the killing potential to drop any suit in the game. With such high alpha damage on an AoE weapon, it will always make it a gun that feels wrong in a multiplayer FPS.. Lol. MD is killing Heavies and proto medium frames with a single clip? This is how you know you don't use the MD. And everything has to be relative. Compared to almost everything else in the game, the DPS is low. Not entirely true, you can very well kill a midframe in one clip even without damage mods, but it requires you knowing how to aim in a split second for a direct shot at the most opportune moment. Damage mods makes it easier, but I ain't using them things until they're swapped for the lowslot. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 449	Posted - 2014.01.13 10:37:00 - [72] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: McFurious wrote: hackerzilla wrote: Or just nerf the ARs and aim assist, the two main factors that are currently killing this game... Nerf the rail and combat rifles. The basics kill faster than Duvolles. Plasma rifle needs a faster projectile. It's painfully slow. Maybe the MD could use a slight buff in blast radius. It definitely needs MORE AMMO. It only has two extra clips and it takes a whole clip to kill someone. And if we're talking "area denial" you can't do much area denying when you only have two extra clips. AR's get at least 4 with much higher DPS. Do you mean the plasma cannon needs a faster projectile? Plasma rifle is a hit scan Doh. Yes Plasma Cannon is what I meant. It's projectile is too slow to hit anything that's not sitting still. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole
Munin-Frey Fish Spotters Inc. 85	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:36:00 - [73] - Quote Bethhy wrote: All three of these guns need a complete rework in how they even work in concept. You can't have high alpha damage AOE weapons... it hasn't worked well for balance in any game genre. Plasma cannon - should of been a massive AoE medium to small damage AOE with 3-4 sec reload. "Hey Jimmy there is a group of 8+ Redberry's, we need you to AOE them and we'll send in heavies and shotguns to clean up their left shields and armor." But in order for that to be a viable playstyle, Kill Assists have to be a tracked and displayed Mercenary statistic, So supporting mercenary roles can get credit for their hard work aswell. Mass Driver - Should be a massive AOE radius, with small to medium type damage. and a way better ROF. And twice as long if not longer the reload time. Would then act as an area of denial weapon, with reload timers giving for counterable positional gains. Right now its an Area of death gun, one clip allowing the killing potential to drop any suit in the game. With such high alpha damage on an AoE weapon, it will always make it a gun that feels wrong in a multiplayer FPS. Flaylock. Most of us thought during the hayday of the flaylock that it should of been an emergency case secondary weapon. So you have 3 explosive rounds that do decent damage in a smaller AOE then a MD. Then have like a 3 second reload on it. If you watch the video's of the flaylock hayday's you'll notice sometimes people will reload 200+ times in a match... that was one of my main problems with the gun. Definitely not nerfing Direct Impact damage like one of the three nerfs the flaylock received... so when I shoot someone in the head I do less damage then if I shot the ground beneath their feet. I really like this idea for the PLC I think the only real use for the gun is for squad support. One PLC guy behind a squad to soften them up. It is the only good way to use the PLC in it's current form.... although it is a lot of fun getting an occasional one shot kill


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