Add points for suppression. +25 sounds about right.

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Would this be added only upon enemy death? so +50 total? (+25 for suppress and +25 for Kill assist)

As a mass driver user since it came out I can tell you 2 things. The first thing being that damage output is fine. 100 Hp damage roughly per shot( Splash only) is great for area denial. Any more and people would not have a chance. Depending on the model you use your DPS is anywhere from 100 DPS to 400 DPS not including stats from proficiency or operation, pure gun stats. It is a little on the low side but if it was any higher it would quickly become OP.

However I would say that it needs more total ammo. 3 clips is not enough for any weapon. That is really all that should even be considered.

Would then act as an area of denial weapon, with reload timers giving for counterable positional gains. Right now its an Area of death gun, one clip allowing the killing potential to drop any suit in the game. With such high alpha damage on an AoE weapon, it will always make it a gun that feels wrong in a multiplayer FPS..

Mass Driver User here:

I have used it effectively this patch. It's a niche weapon and as of lately that is especially true. It is much harder to get kills with it on average and since I pair it with my scout suit, I stand even less chance against the Rifles. I definitely died many times trying to adjust to 1.7, with the Mass Driver.

But last week I just worked my issues with it out. I stopped running on lower elevations with it. I find where all the fighting is and I look for an elevated place in 100 meters around. I pick a perch and I bombard from outside effective ranges. Also as everyone knows, elevation makes the Mass Driver so much easier to use.

I am not impressed with the Assault MD (EC something) due to **** poor damage. But the rapid fire is kind of cool and I have been killed by it before. I got a kill with the EK-A2 breach mass driver (direct hit on scout) and felt bad ass. The EK is definitely an improvement over the standard breach.....anyways

I think the Mass Driver seems over-niched nowadays, being almost impossible to compete at close distances now, the Rifles are overwhelming. But the niche is still there, get a good position and bomb. I don't go for kills anymore, I used to. Now I use the mass driver like a Logistics would, just kind of carpet bomb an area. However it's effective at carpet bombing dense clusters of enemies and those who aren't quick will die and the splash radius means a lot of assists when you don't kill. It's not Chromosome status at all but I can work with it.

The most I could ask for is a small radius buff. After all it sort of has been pushed to longer ranges due to new rifles. But I could survive without it if "rebalancing" brings MD some favorable indirect-buffs.

Remove splash damage of the core breach MD and buff it's direct damage to at least 1000 to make it an AV weapon.

No to Mass Driver.
Yes to Flaylock.
Yes to Plasma Cannon.

A mass driver doesn't kill fast enough to be a threat in direct combat, but does more than enough to make me think twice than to enter that pathway where I know the mass driver user is watching.
And it's SUPPOSED to be like this.
It is fine, just that it no longer beats direct damage weapons.

It also has perks like being able to hit people behind cover, so you can apply the damage in more situations and make cover practically useless. (Trust me, I saw people in PC that use it to great effect to funnel troops into a crossfire)

Or just nerf the ARs and aim assist, the two main factors that are currently killing this game...

If Minmatar Assault gets a ROF buff that'd definitely help the MD. I think the breach MD's should have a higher ROF in general though. They're already very gimped with their small blast radius (no good for area denial). I think they'd be fine if they just had the standard ROF but any increase at all would be ok with me.

The Breach MD is actually fine
Just incredibly difficult to use

I found out that if you use it in the tight halls and catwalks, they can't strafe away fast enough or far enough and people will be hit by it. The one time I found it's golden Niche I killed a heavy and a Calsault and caused the rest to back off. It's area denial in a different sense.

That's my opinion on it. It's a niche inside a niche. It's probably the most situational weapon in the game.

The OP must be new here. The MD and Flaylock were once the most used and lethal weapons in the game. They terroized lobbies and ruined PC for months. Do you think milkman1, the FoTM Posterchild, shot up those leaderboards with just an AR?

Thank God, thank him that those nightmares were undone what seems long ago.


But, what is a Plasma Cannon? Is it a newweapon they just installed?

I'll Propose buffs to these weapons below and why they are needed.

These weapons do not have Aim Assist enabled, however, Splash is their aim assist. The splash weapons were so powerful before aim assist was fixed because they were the only weapons with 'aim assist' at the time.

Now that all the rest of the weapons have gained use of aim assist, the flaylock, plasma cannon, and mass driver are in a sore spot.

The mass driver wants to suppress enemies, but a rifle does it better.
The flaylock wants to finish off an enemy, but everything else except nova knives does it better
The plasma cannon wants to be able to switch to its sidearm but everything else does it better.

To have to have proficiency V with triple complex damage mods to do what a militia AR does is unbalanced for the massdriver. Up its damage by 50%* for all models. Now, when someone gets bonked by a massdriver, they won't stand still, turn around while not moving, and unload a couple of bullets into the md user and move on like its nothing. The breach needs to keep its splash damage, however, needs its direct hit damage doubled.

The flaylock can use a 4th round in the chamber plus 2m,2.5m, and 3m splash for its std, adv, and pro levels respectively

I feel that the plasma cannon is balanced against the 400 hp basic suits (if you have your skills maxed). So, at prof V, you can OHK him with splash.

I feel the direct damage + splash damage for the plasma cannon should match the damage in the plasma rifle's clip of its level. I also feel that the splash damage for the plasma cannon is perfect, so I suggest increasing the direct damage to make up the difference.
The new numbers:
STD 1755 direct and 285 splash
ADV 1842.75 direct and 299.25 splash
PRO 1930.5 direct and 313.5 splash

Additionally, you should be able to swap to your side arm as soon as the round leaves the chamber.

*Holding percentage, not actual.

As a Mass Driver user the Mass Driver does not require a buff, the TTK formthe Mass Driver is perfect.
Instead the TTK for the Rifles, HMG and SMG need to be nerfed by approximately 20% in total, assuming the ROF bonus for assaults.

The only thing the Mass Driver needs is a larger Spare Ammo pool.
The current isn't enough for the mass driver to do its job.

Give the Mass Driver 42 Slugs after Max Ammo Capacity Skill and it will be fine.

Nerf the rail and combat rifles. The basics kill faster than Duvolles.

Plasma rifle needs a faster projectile. It's painfully slow.

Maybe the MD could use a slight buff in blast radius. It definitely needs MORE AMMO. It only has two extra clips and it takes a whole clip to kill someone. And if we're talking "area denial" you can't do much area denying when you only have two extra clips. AR's get at least 4 with much higher DPS.

The mass driver IMO doesn't need a buff as it can excel in taking out groups and is technically the only weapon that can "shoot around walls." I am talking about splash damage here.

The flaylock could be ok with 4 in a clip besides 3, but ROF, splash damage, or blat radius shouldn't be touched. Would bring back terrible memories.

The plasma cannon is suppose to be an AV weaon, but i believe everyone uses for infantry. Which is why i say we take away the AV tag and label it an surpression weapon like a mortor. And slightly increase the blast radius.

I would say without aim assist this game would be even more dead.

The biggest complaint of critics was bad controls, and CCP worked hard to fix it, and yet it still wasn't enough.
Until they introduced aim assist, then there were zero complaints about aiming.


Oh and before you say anything, I did just fine without aim assist, in fact I had a period of adjustment as I realized that the average enemy aims better, while my aiming was so good that aim assist barely helped.
So basically, people got a buff against me that I didn't get.

NO! The HMG is finally useful again it dosent need a nerf!