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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.12 02:31:00 -
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Standard MD is just bad compared to Rifles. There is little reason to use it because the splash is just not large enough to be worth the DPS cut. Rail Rifles are the worst because the are well in your optimal, out DPSing you. Rifles can drop 2 people faster than you can, and the standard MD struggles to hit more than 2 people with that splash and RoF.
Assault MD can suppress, and I actually think it's fine the way it is. It's the best MD variant, and pretty much the only one worth using.
Breach is terrible, even as an AV option, don't use it.
MDs have to have ammo management, clip management, optimal management, and awareness due to you auto-losing to shields. You will have to except the fact that you will lose 1v1 to the most popular weapons in the game, even in you optimal. Once 1.8 comes Heavies virtually immune to you, and Armor Assaults getting a buff against you. MDs have taken a nosedive in usage, will be almost non-existent in 1.8, and I don't blame anyone.
If anything there needs to be an increase in Ammo supply, there is no reason the MD should require that much maintenance. Breach needs to have a RoF increase. I also think clip size needs to be increased across the board, but I know many wouldn't like that. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
595
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Posted - 2014.01.12 02:35:00 -
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abarkrishna wrote:As a mass driver user since it came out I can tell you 2 things. The first thing being that damage output is fine. 100 Hp damage roughly per shot( Splash only) is great for area denial. Any more and people would not have a chance. Depending on the model you use your DPS is anywhere from 100 DPS to 400 DPS not including stats from proficiency or operation, pure gun stats. It is a little on the low side but if it was any higher it would quickly become OP.
However I would say that it needs more total ammo. 3 clips is not enough for any weapon. That is really all that should even be considered.
In what world? Rifles take you down in less than a second, and the MD needs 6 seconds to get it's entire clip off. And a clip won't kill Heavies and Protos Mediums with HP values through the roof. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.12 02:50:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Would then act as an area of denial weapon, with reload timers giving for counterable positional gains. Right now its an Area of death gun, one clip allowing the killing potential to drop any suit in the game. With such high alpha damage on an AoE weapon, it will always make it a gun that feels wrong in a multiplayer FPS..
Lol. MD is killing Heavies and proto medium frames with a single clip? This is how you know you don't use the MD.
And everything has to be relative. Compared to almost everything else in the game, the DPS is low. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.12 06:14:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:McFurious wrote:
If Minmatar Assault gets a ROF buff that'd definitely help the MD. I think the breach MD's should have a higher ROF in general though. They're already very gimped with their small blast radius (no good for area denial). I think they'd be fine if they just had the standard ROF but any increase at all would be ok with me.
The Breach MD is actually fine Just incredibly difficult to use I found out that if you use it in the tight halls and catwalks, they can't strafe away fast enough or far enough and people will be hit by it. The one time I found it's golden Niche I killed a heavy and a Calsault and caused the rest to back off. It's area denial in a different sense. That's my opinion on it. It's a niche inside a niche. It's probably the most situational weapon in the game.
Core Lotus does it way better in your scenario. Hell Combat Rifle does it better. It's not fine, it's just bad. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
598
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Posted - 2014.01.12 06:16:00 -
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Slim Winning wrote:The OP must be new here. The MD and Flaylock were once the most used and lethal weapons in the game. They terroized lobbies and ruined PC for months. Do you think milkman1, the FoTM Posterchild, shot up those leaderboards with just an AR?
Thank God, thank him that those nightmares were undone what seems long ago.
But, what is a Plasma Cannon? Is it a newweapon they just installed?
MD was never overpowered, absolutely nothing changed about it, it was just QQ and Aiming problems. Once aiming was fixed and Aim Assist rolled in, the MD QQ threads disappeared in an instant. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.12 17:31:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Bethhy wrote:Would then act as an area of denial weapon, with reload timers giving for counterable positional gains. Right now its an Area of death gun, one clip allowing the killing potential to drop any suit in the game. With such high alpha damage on an AoE weapon, it will always make it a gun that feels wrong in a multiplayer FPS.. Lol. MD is killing Heavies and proto medium frames with a single clip? This is how you know you don't use the MD. And everything has to be relative. Compared to almost everything else in the game, the DPS is low. If it's a shield base suit then it's iffy(fluxes seem... different? so a bit harder)... but yes dropping the armor in few shots on proto's like nothing with a very little skilled MD Logi. And of course no sidearm so you keep track of what you kill and what it takes to kill them very well. The problem is more for MD when your shooting this giant smoke flare to where you are... is AA... when 2-3 even militia weapon variants lock on to you... your dead in less then a second. no matter how fast you move... or jump or even get behind cover.. So the only way to use it with impunity is to be in a hard to get to area, usually above them... so you have 2 shots in the air in their general direction before they know what hits them. Meh.
Nope it's not iffy at all. Heavies suits have been known to reach 1500HP, Medium Frames up to 1100 HP. You are not killing proto medium suits or Heavies with a single clip period. |
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