Where is your flame suit?

AV players cant accept what you are saying

The new role of AV? cannon fodder? A joke?

Ok I have run proto swarm prof 5 with complex damage mods since the good old days of murder taxis........... sorry was having some fond memories.

But I always believed that AV was op until 1.7. The way I see it is a solo SL or forge gun should not be a game changer. We are the equivalent of the sniper. A constant worry and hopefully a pain in the ass.

Put 2 snipers together with focused fire and infantry drop. AV should be the same if you want to destroy tanks run as a tandem. Otherwise understand your only going to force the tank to pull back.

Which is also useful for infantry if a tank is harassing them at a letter. I run with a scout using flux and REs its amazing how fast a shield tank will go down with 2 flux and a volley of 6 missiles.

Tankers are the most powerful weapon in Dust.... fair enough

No, not fair enough. One playstyle should not be inherently stronger than others.

I'm happy for tanks to have more EHP and do more damage, but they need a significant weakness to counter it. My preferred approach is for tanks to only be at full strength when operated by a crew of 3, but there are a number of other alternatives that could work.

Clearly fair enough......
Heavy Attack Vehicle is the name if i'm not mistaken
Why choose one line of my post to quote, taking it out of context when,
I pretty much agree with you... They should do more damage (most powerful weapon in Dust)
while having a weakness to AV.... your idea of a 3 man tank almost works but
it isn't very practical as not all tankers want their seats open

Teaming up is great .....except the system punishes you for teaming up and that's not so great . The more AV you have .... the less likely you are going to get paid . AV is among the lowest WP earners and the system forces them to compete for those WPs .

Also the more AV you have ..the weaker your team is against enemy AI . Meanwhile a rail Sica does the job better and more profitably and doesn't weaken your team's AI potential.

Interesting angle on the subject.

Lets go with "AV are to tanks as Snipers are to infantry" as a starting point then.

So you have a battle with a few AV guys and a few Snipers, plus tanks and infantry. The AV neutralise some of the tanks. The Snipers neutralise some of the infantry. Sounds good so far.

Then the remaining tanks annihilate the remaining infantry.

Tanks win.

No, not clearly, but I'm happy to agree to disagree.

I didn't have much to respond to in the rest of your post, and sorry if I took the line out of context: that one line seemed to stand on its own to me.

I don't mind tankers wanting to run solo. And I don't mind them having a big f'ing gun. I do mind them having as much EHP as an entire squad of proto suit users as well.

Bring your HAV in and run it solo as a "glass cannon". Invite in a couple of squad mates and switch to "crew mode" and your EHP and manoeuvrability go through the roof.

I got a 4k Gunloggi trying to assault the bridge on one of the maps, and I single handedly drove that douche off using C-7 flux.
He proceeded to crash into a friendly Gunloggi

I once said how is it that tanks in other fps can be beasts and kill whole squads but in turn get soloed to a AV. Cause well it's AV. and you know what? no one bitches or QQ. cause for that one kill that av guy got, that tank took out a WHOLE SQUAD.

My response from tankers on here was ISK!! So I said lower the damn price and more tanks on the field! But never wanted AV to be useless.

At good tanker can maybe need two guys to take it out. But when does 3 AV guys are needed to take out one tank? haha. I mean come on right? lol

(they ain't laughing)

Oh.. right. Some on here think this game should be Valkyrie chronicles or front mission with dust plastered on. You jumped into a fps game.

"why is it so hard to jump into a tank to take out a tank?"

How many fps have you played to ask such a stupid question?

Ok I have run proto swarm prof 5 with complex damage mods since the good old days of murder taxis........... sorry was having some fond memories.

But I always believed that AV was op until 1.7. The way I see it is a solo SL or forge gun should not be a game changer. We are the equivalent of the sniper. A constant worry and hopefully a pain in the ass.

Put 2 snipers together with focused fire and infantry drop. AV should be the same if you want to destroy tanks run as a tandem. Otherwise understand your only going to force the tank to pull back.

Which is also useful for infantry if a tank is harassing them at a letter. I run with a scout using flux and REs its amazing how fast a shield tank will go down with 2 flux and a volley of 6 missiles.

You had prof5 complex damage modded swarms, no sh*t you thought AV was OP.
over 4000 damage to unresisted armor tanks per volley. Glitched explosive damage, with higher than forge damage, with the auto lock tracking swarms.

Forge guns weren't OP like SL, AV grenades had high damage but were virtually useless against real tankers, as real tankers could take more than three and easily back up.

Swarms however, killed even the best fit maddys(120mm plate,heavy rep,3 carapace hardeners) in 5 volleys through all modules, while forges(ishukone AFG 2 dmg mods prof5) did so in 10 shots.

That being said, if you want to never be able to solo a tank fine, go be a useless scrub thats ineffective at the role his loadouts designed for. But don't ever f*cking comment as if you speak for other players, or for AVers.

If AV can't solo tanks but tanks can solo tanks, then AV is pointless. This is the current state of dust, and its tanks514, and garbage.

Where is your flame suit?

HAV players cant accept what you are saying it should take at least 6 Pro AV users to scratch a Tank

You always get one learn how to AV