- The cloak field is a piece of equipment.
- When selected the cortex is raised and you press fire to activate it.
- Once activated, it goes away and your weapon is raised. You can switch to other weapons/equipment while cloaked.
- You cloak. The amount of "shimmer" is increased as you move so standing still you will be nigh invisible, but when moving you will be noticeable to an extent. When cloaked, you obviously have no chevron or health bars, but the enemy reticule will flash red if you run past it.
- Cloak can be deactivated by selecting it and pressing fire.
- Once deactivated or it runs out it will start to recharge.
- Firing a weapon while cloaked will rapidly deplete the cloak field (a single shot from a sniper rifle, for instance, will decloak you)
- You can only fit one cloak field at a time.

I think this deserves its own thread.



https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134545&p=2

And why do i think that allmost every logi will have this equipped? Like they are on low health run around corner and cloak themself up. Well at least you cant cloak yourself forever and it has a recharge time. And good thing to know that its limited to 1 cloak field per fitting so no 3-4 cloaks on a gallente/minmatarr logi.

And why do i think that allmost every logi will have this equipped? Like they are on low health run around corner and cloak themself up. Well at least you cant cloak yourself forever and it has a recharge time. And good thing to know that its limited to 1 cloak field per fitting so no 3-4 cloaks on a gallente/minmatarr logi.

Thanks for making this thread, was just about to do it myself.

The thing I don't like about this cloaking concept is that there's a statute of limitations on when cloaking will be destabilized enough to trigger it to fail. Apparently a sniper rifle shot is plenty but I honestly don't think there should be any "gray area" to it; rather, if you fire, you are de-cloaked. Plain and simple. There's no reason to over-complicate matters and allow for situations where you have no idea where you got shot from because the player used, say, a Scrambler Pistol and hit you in the head only to completely disappear because it wasn't enough to break the cloak.

So there definitely needs to be some in depth explanation on what will and will not fail a cloak if they're going to keep this route, though I would much prefer it be more black and white. You're either cloaked or your not.

This particular part is what concerns me the most: "Cloak can be deactivated by selecting it and pressing fire."

Any semi-conscious player can immediately recognize that they're setting up a situation in which a player can have an indefinite cloak if they manage their shots and/or use low caliber weaponry, at least based on assumption. As stated, we don't know what will trigger a cloak to fail at the moment but I'd rather not even let it see the light of day. It's simple, if you partake in a combat action, you're de-cloaked. A shotgun scout with a cloaking device will be a murderer as is, we don't need to provide a complicated solution to a problem that doesn't exist yet.

Edit: If you need help imaging why this is a bad idea, think of all the times you'd hacked an objective/CRU only to have someone de-cloak and gun you down despite the hack being successful.

Another thing I want to make absolutely certain of is whether or not a cloaked player can be revealed on scan.

And why do i think that allmost every logi will have this equipped? Like they are on low health run around corner and cloak themself up. Well at least you cant cloak yourself forever and it has a recharge time. And good thing to know that its limited to 1 cloak field per fitting so no 3-4 cloaks on a gallente/minmatarr logi.

The thing I don't like about this cloaking concept is that there's a statute of limitations on when cloaking will be destabilized enough to trigger it to fail. Apparently a sniper rifle shot is plenty but I honestly don't think there should be any "gray area" to it; rather, if you fire, you are de-cloaked. Plain and simple. There's no reason to over-complicate matters and allow for situations where you have no idea where you got shot from because the player used, say, a Scrambler Pistol and hit you in the head only to completely disappear because it wasn't enough to break the cloak.

Another thing I want to make absolutely certain of is whether or not a cloaked player can be revealed on scan.

And why do i think that allmost every logi will have this equipped? Like they are on low health run around corner and cloak themself up. Well at least you cant cloak yourself forever and it has a recharge time. And good thing to know that its limited to 1 cloak field per fitting so no 3-4 cloaks on a gallente/minmatarr logi.

I'm not liking how it seems the logis will be able to use this item effectively as well, and perhaps more effectively than the scout. I mean, 25% fitting reduction isn't too big of a difference from 50% fitting reduction if the Logi also gets more CPU/PG from extra slots. Really all a logi would have to do is leave one of the equipment slots empty and then they can still carry two more equipment and everything else as usual.

Perhaps the logi bonus should only be a fitting reduction to support equipment?

I assume they will, I know I've read somewhere that scanners are supposed to counter cloaks.

Thanks for making this thread, was just about to do it myself.

The thing I don't like about this cloaking concept is that there's a statute of limitations on when cloaking will be destabilized enough to trigger it to fail. Apparently a sniper rifle shot is plenty but I honestly don't think there should be any "gray area" to it; rather, if you fire, you are de-cloaked. Plain and simple. There's no reason to over-complicate matters and allow for situations where you have no idea where you got shot from because the player used, say, a Scrambler Pistol and hit you in the head only to completely disappear because it wasn't enough to break the cloak.

So there definitely needs to be some in depth explanation on what will and will not fail a cloak if they're going to keep this route, though I would much prefer it be more black and white. You're either cloaked or your not.

This particular part is what concerns me the most: "Cloak can be deactivated by selecting it and pressing fire."

Any semi-conscious player can immediately recognize that they're setting up a situation in which a player can have an indefinite cloak if they manage their shots and/or use low caliber weaponry, at least based on assumption. As stated, we don't know what will trigger a cloak to fail at the moment but I'd rather not even let it see the light of day. It's simple, if you partake in a combat action, you're de-cloaked. A shotgun scout with a cloaking device will be a murderer as is, we don't need to provide a complicated solution to a problem that doesn't exist yet.

Edit: If you need help imaging why this is a bad idea, think of all the times you'd hacked an objective/CRU only to have someone de-cloak and gun you down despite the hack being successful.

Another thing I want to make absolutely certain of is whether or not a cloaked player can be revealed on scan.

Read my Previous answer in this thread.
Also: what do you think logis will use this for?
1 attacking? Really? With the new assault, commando and sentinel tryng to kill him? I think it would be a Bad idea for a poor weak logi to appear in the Middle of a squad full of this monsters.
Running away from big bad guys?
Maybe. And I dont think this will be a game breacker cause you just let a poor little boy excaping the bad guys for a couple of second.
Also you wont be able to use this when you see they are killing you cause you will have to: equip it AND presso fire. You re already Dead.

[quote=Aeon Amadi]



I assume they will, I know I've read somewhere that scanners are supposed to counter cloaks.

As started in the other thread I sure hope CCP changes how the cloak works, because you should never be allowed to shoot while cloaked, not even if you get decloaked the moment you start shooting.

Another thing is I really hope they're giving Scouts a second equipment slot. It's something I've been suggesting even before this cloak thing, and now that most Scouts will likely be relying on cloaks, I think it's only fair they get another equipment slot so that they can still use another piece of equipment alongside the cloak (or two non-cloak equipment if they choose to).

No! Having equipments is logis work. We are (will be) the weackest suits in combat but we are ok with it, cause we are usefull with our equipments. We have the equipments you all have everything else.
Also a scout with scanner and cloak would be OP. Also a scout with cloak and RE. HE can run Near a Group of enemies invisible, put a RE, run away invisible and then kill you all.

and leave another one of your equipment slots empty .

No! Having equipments is logis work. We are (will be) the weackest suits in combat but we are ok with it, cause we are usefull with our equipments. We have the equipments you all have everything else.
Also a scout with scanner and cloak would be OP. Also a scout with cloak and RE. HE can run Near a Group of enemies invisible, put a RE, run away invisible and then kill you all.

Hhhhhhhh! Are You crazy? Leave one of my Precious equip slot empty?
Are You high or something?

How could logies be the weakest suit in combat??? You will still have a good portion CPU/PG ahead of any other suit and most propably more slots as well...and you still can fire your weapon like any other suit as well...

I don't think you read the rest of my post, as you shouldn't be able to shoot while cloaked. This would include using other equipment, so REs as well.

Just because Scouts will have another equipment slot does not make them Logis. A Scout will still only have two slots, so a Logi with three or four will still in every situation be better suited for the job of logistics. I would also imagine that most Scouts would be using the cloak and thus only leaving them with the single equipment slots as they have now.

How could logies be the weakest suit in combat??? You will still have a good portion CPU/PG ahead of any other suit and most propably more slots as well...and you still can fire your weapon like any other suit as well...

Lowest HP and lowest damage.

We are slower, we have less hp, we have bad shield recharge, we have less stamina. We have to use modules to reach Assaults and their stats so it means we need Mor pg and cpu. We are receiving bonuses that are good but not for combat. Everyone else is becoming a Beast in combat. Leave the equipments to us.

You're not getting my point. I'm saying if a logi wants to try and do the role of a scout. Even if a logi would leave one of it's equipments empty in order to essentially get the same fitting bonus as the scout, it would still have 2 more equipment slots than a scout.