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BIind Shot Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 70	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:32:00 - [61] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: +1 for science, sir. I believe these are reasonable suggestions. Honestly, DUST's devs should talk to the EVE devs more. It took the EVE guys a while to realize a gun can't both have equal/superior DPS and superior range and be balanced. Pass that knowledge on to your coworkers, CCP dudes. 1 problem here. EVE weapons are pure stats, there is no human element to them and they are all equally easy to use. Lock on. Click. When a weapon in a shooter is harder to use, it is rewarded with better performance than similar weapons that are easier to use. This has been a staple of shooter gameplay for decades. Ever heard the term noob tube?
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 624	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:44:00 - [62] - Quote i have yet to 'burst' a vanilla CR at full 1200 Rpm. Try about 3-6 pulls a second. At 1200 theoretical rpm, you can do 20 a second. There is no way a Cr can do 20. I'll try and run some tests tomorrow, seeing if its even possible to attain 20 bullets a second. Most likely 15, as 18 means 5 full auto 'bursts' with a 1 shot interval between 3 bursts. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) Selling SP: 10k SP per 100k ISK.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1077	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:49:00 - [63] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: i have yet to 'burst' a vanilla CR at full 1200 Rpm. Try about 3-6 pulls a second. At 1200 theoretical rpm, you can do 20 a second. There is no way a Cr can do 20. I'll try and run some tests tomorrow, seeing if its even possible to attain 20 bullets a second. Most likely 15, as 18 means 5 full auto 'bursts' with a 1 shot interval between 3 bursts. When I tested I was pulling 5 at just over one second timed with a stopwatch. {:)}{3GÇó>
Marad''er Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 772	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:53:00 - [64] - Quote Numbers are nice and all but numbers in an fps game isn't everything. On paper you're right. However once you go out of your way to test these things in a practical way on the battlefield, you'll find different answers. There are simply too many variables on the battlefield. You can't justify balanced changes with numbers alone Btw scrambler is meant to be the highest alpha dmg weapon in rifle variants. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| Banishment this World! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Another Matari Terrorist Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.01.31 08:04:00 - [65] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: i have yet to 'burst' a vanilla CR at full 1200 Rpm. Try about 3-6 pulls a second. At 1200 theoretical rpm, you can do 20 a second. There is no way a Cr can do 20. I'll try and run some tests tomorrow, seeing if its even possible to attain 20 bullets a second. Most likely 15, as 18 means 5 full auto 'bursts' with a 1 shot interval between 3 bursts. That's only 400 pulls per minute; I can max out my KLO, so I'm reasonably confident I could max out the CR without an issue.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1077	Posted - 2014.01.31 08:15:00 - [66] - Quote Another Matari Terrorist wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: i have yet to 'burst' a vanilla CR at full 1200 Rpm. Try about 3-6 pulls a second. At 1200 theoretical rpm, you can do 20 a second. There is no way a Cr can do 20. I'll try and run some tests tomorrow, seeing if its even possible to attain 20 bullets a second. Most likely 15, as 18 means 5 full auto 'bursts' with a 1 shot interval between 3 bursts. That's only 400 pulls per minute; I can max out my KLO, so I'm reasonably confident I could max out the CR without an issue. Lolwut? I can max out my Visiam (500 r/m). It's rare but it happens. You can't max out a KLO at 444? I max my TT-3 all the time it's quite annoying actually. I can't even use a KLO for how slow it is. {edit>>> oops, my bad. Could have swore you said can't not can. {:)}{3GÇó>
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 624	Posted - 2014.01.31 08:35:00 - [67] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Another Matari Terrorist wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: i have yet to 'burst' a vanilla CR at full 1200 Rpm. Try about 3-6 pulls a second. At 1200 theoretical rpm, you can do 20 a second. There is no way a Cr can do 20. I'll try and run some tests tomorrow, seeing if its even possible to attain 20 bullets a second. Most likely 15, as 18 means 5 full auto 'bursts' with a 1 shot interval between 3 bursts. That's only 400 pulls per minute; I can max out my KLO, so I'm reasonably confident I could max out the CR without an issue. Lolwut? I can max out my Visiam (500 r/m). It's rare but it happens. You can't max out a KLO at 444? I max my TT-3 all the time it's quite annoying actually. I can't even use a KLO for how slow it is. {edit>>> oops, my bad. Could have swore you said can't not can. Not going to doubt you can max out a scrp. I do it myself on occasion. But we're talking 10 shot clip versus 54 shot clip, being fired in 3 round bursts at '1200' RpM. Let's not forget also that even if you were to max out the Cr, you only do 1600 Damage Per Clip. If a scramblr user plays his cards right, he can pull 3200 damage per clip not even counting charge. 2.5x rite? That's 7k damage per clip on decently spread apart charges. With OH it's like 1300 spam firing, and 800 with a full charge spam combo. This is obviously not counting proficiency, headshots, or even spacing. Might seem a little low, but when does a scrambler user ever need to resupply? When do they ever need to worry about a lone target who has superior tiered gear? 1 CK.0 with a viziam and 4 plates followed by 3 extenders and an energizer can stand on a roof, and deny a third of the map any access, even if you have a Kaala with 3 damage mods. He turns around, spam fires 10 times and your 800 HP commando is instadead from 70-90 meters. Try to forge gun his ass, because instakill alpha is your only hope? He snipes your 1300HP ass down to 12 armor and runs away giggling. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) Selling SP: 10k SP per 100k ISK.
abarkrishna WarRavens 284	Posted - 2014.01.31 08:39:00 - [68] - Quote You are aware instead of reducing the damage per shot you could slightly nerf the rate of fire. Just a slight nerf will make the world of difference. one or 2 shots less a second and most people would not even notice. No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2. When will they learn!
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1079	Posted - 2014.01.31 08:45:00 - [69] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Let's not forget also that even if you were to max out the Cr... You can't max out the CR. There is definitely some kind of refire delay interval. Five burst a second only works ot 300 trigger plus a minute. {:)}{3GÇó>
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 09:01:00 - [70] - Quote Stealth ScR nerf thread eh? So I am sure it has been mentioned, but the combat rifle does 27% more damage per trigger squeeze. (72 dmg for ScR versus 96 damage for CR) The combat rifle does 102.5% normalized damage (everyone else does 100% normalized) The combat rifle does not overheat. The combat rifle has 30+% more sustainable DPS than any other wepaon. The sustainable DPS of the ScR is near the bottom of all rifles (remember that pesky overheat? that means 16 shots before overheat or 9 shots with 1 overheated shot) The ScR can (and does) kill the user of the weapon (through overheating damage). So that makes it pretty clear that the CR is the OP rifle. Then again, all of the rifles do way too much damage, and there is not reason why a rifle with double the range (RR) should do anywhere near the same amount of damage the AR does. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.

Lorhak Gannarsein 1435	Posted - 2014.01.31 09:03:00 - [71] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Another Matari Terrorist wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: i have yet to 'burst' a vanilla CR at full 1200 Rpm. Try about 3-6 pulls a second. At 1200 theoretical rpm, you can do 20 a second. There is no way a Cr can do 20. I'll try and run some tests tomorrow, seeing if its even possible to attain 20 bullets a second. Most likely 15, as 18 means 5 full auto 'bursts' with a 1 shot interval between 3 bursts. That's only 400 pulls per minute; I can max out my KLO, so I'm reasonably confident I could max out the CR without an issue. Lolwut? I can max out my Visiam (500 r/m). It's rare but it happens. You can't max out a KLO at 444? I max my TT-3 all the time it's quite annoying actually. I can't even use a KLO for how slow it is. {edit>>> oops, my bad. Could have swore you said can't not can. I don't actually have TT-3 Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 09:06:00 - [72] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Let's not forget also that even if you were to max out the Cr... You can't max out the CR. There is definitely some kind of refire delay interval. Five burst a second only works ot 300 trigger plus a minute. WHAT??.... I can quite easily empty the entire clip in just under 3 seconds. 54/18 = 3, meaning that I am firing at very very close to the max fire rate of 6.66 trigger pulls per second. (I average 6) This also means that I can put out about 1,000 DPS for 3 seconds and then reload and do it again, for as long as I ave nano hives. For the cheap seats, this works out to about 600 DPS sustained DPS. I can do 2,700 over a period of 9 seconds with the ScR (you know, that pesky 5 second seize where I am completely defenseless). This works out to a sustained DPS of 300. *note, I do not include reload times here. Face it , CR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other rifles. To put it another way, proof or STFU. I am calling you out for a video of this trigger pull clipping. The burdern of proof is on you. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1079	Posted - 2014.01.31 09:35:00 - [73] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Stealth ScR nerf thread eh? It's not a nerf thread. I have simply done the math looking for anomalies, have found some and reported on them. "So I am sure it has been mentioned, but the combat rifle does -á27% more damage per trigger squeeze. (72 dmg for ScR versus 96 damage for CR)" What does that mater when the trigger on a CR can only be pulled at most 5 times a second, where as, the ScR can be pulled in excess of 8 times per minute? "The combat rifle does 102.5% normalized damage (everyone else does 100% normalized)" This was already accounted for in my initial analysis found in my OP. "The combat rifle has 30+% more sustainable DPS than any other wepaon." Exactly what numbers are you basing this on?-á Std AR damage per mag: 2,040 Std RR damage per mag: 2,310 Std CR damage per mag: 1,728 "The sustainable DPS of the ScR is near the bottom of all rifles (remember that pesky overheat? that means 16 shots before overheat or 9 shots with 1 overheated shot)" I just recently tested this, it is 19 rounds before over heat, with a damage output of 1,425 at the std level unmoded. "The ScR can (and does) kill the user of the weapon (through overheating damage)." This does not excuse the gross imbalance in TTK/payload delivery between the ScR and the other rifles. "So that makes it pretty clear that the CR is the OP rifle." Now, explain to me how that works again, given that I have just countered all your points, and clearly demonstrated the gross imbalance in TTK between these weapons in my OP. "Then again, all of the rifles do way too much damage, and there is not reason why a rifle with double the range (RR) should do anywhere near the same amount of damage the AR does." And the RR doesn't, as can clearly be seen with the number given in my OP. {:)}{3GÇó>
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1080	Posted - 2014.01.31 09:40:00 - [74] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Let's not forget also that even if you were to max out the Cr... You can't max out the CR. There is definitely some kind of refire delay interval. Five burst a second only works ot 300 trigger plus a minute. WHAT??.... I can quite easily empty the entire clip in just under 3 seconds. 54/18 = 3, meaning that I am firing at very very close to the max fire rate of 6.66 trigger pulls per second. (I average 6) This also means that I can put out about 1,000 DPS for 3 seconds and then reload and do it again, for as long as I ave nano hives. For the cheap seats, this works out to about 600 DPS sustained DPS. I can do 2,700 over a period of 9 seconds with the ScR (you know, that pesky 5 second seize where I am completely defenseless). This works out to a sustained DPS of 300. note, I do not include reload times here. Face it , CR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other rifles. To put it another way, proof or STFU. I am calling you out for a video of this trigger pull clipping. The burdern of proof is on you. Can I see the timed footage (with a stop watch or what have you). Because I actually have timed it with a stop watch. So I'm going to have to call bull*** here. {:)}{3GÇó>
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1080	Posted - 2014.01.31 09:46:00 - [75] - Quote Ok, just retimed it again and the vanilla CR come out to 5 bursts in 1.1 seconds. {:)}{3GÇó>
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 09:52:00 - [76] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Let's not forget also that even if you were to max out the Cr... You can't max out the CR. There is definitely some kind of refire delay interval. Five burst a second only works ot 300 trigger plus a minute. WHAT??.... I can quite easily empty the entire clip in just under 3 seconds. 54/18 = 3, meaning that I am firing at very very close to the max fire rate of 6.66 trigger pulls per second. (I average 6) This also means that I can put out about 1,000 DPS for 3 seconds and then reload and do it again, for as long as I ave nano hives. For the cheap seats, this works out to about 600 DPS sustained DPS. I can do 2,700 over a period of 9 seconds with the ScR (you know, that pesky 5 second seize where I am completely defenseless). This works out to a sustained DPS of 300. note, I do not include reload times here. Face it , CR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other rifles. To put it another way, proof or STFU. I am calling you out for a video of this trigger pull clipping. The burdern of proof is on you. Can I see the timed (with a stop watch or what have you). Because I actually have timed it with a stop watch. So I'm going to have to call bull*** here. See that is the wonderful thing, you have made the assertion that it is impossible to max out the DPS of the CR, you have made that claim. There is absolutely NO evidence to point to the clipping of trigger pulls. There has been none for the Scrambler pistol, the TAC AR, or the SCR (not like you could without a turbo controller on the SCR.). You are making a claim that is unique among dust 514, and therefor it is YOU who have to back up your claim. The math is quite simple, 1200/3=400 RPM. This means if you pull the trigger UNDER 6.66 times a second then it should be IMPOSSIBLE to clip anyway. my assertion is that I can pull the trigger around 6 times a second, as I can reliably prove here. ( I score 5.9-6.1 consistently) This means at base, a SCR does 432 DPS for me and it overheats after 16 shots (unless I spend another 2.5 mil sp on amarr assault, and only use that one suit, then it is 25 shots.) This means that I can do 432 DPS per second for between 3 and 4 seconds before I AM HELPLESS FOR 5 SECONDS. Using the base CR, I can do 552 DPS without overheat and damaging myself, for 3 seconds. Not only that, the CR has an average of 102.5% dmg, rather than the 100% of the ScR, making that 565 DPS, or to put it another way, it does 31% more damage. Proof or STFU. CR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ScR. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1080	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:12:00 - [77] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Let's not forget also that even if you were to max out the Cr... You can't max out the CR. There is definitely some kind of refire delay interval. Five burst a second only works ot 300 trigger plus a minute. WHAT??.... I can quite easily empty the entire clip in just under 3 seconds. 54/18 = 3, meaning that I am firing at very very close to the max fire rate of 6.66 trigger pulls per second. (I average 6) This also means that I can put out about 1,000 DPS for 3 seconds and then reload and do it again, for as long as I ave nano hives. For the cheap seats, this works out to about 600 DPS sustained DPS. I can do 2,700 over a period of 9 seconds with the ScR (you know, that pesky 5 second seize where I am completely defenseless). This works out to a sustained DPS of 300. note, I do not include reload times here. Face it , CR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other rifles. To put it another way, proof or STFU. I am calling you out for a video of this trigger pull clipping. The burdern of proof is on you. Can I see the timed (with a stop watch or what have you). Because I actually have timed it with a stop watch. So I'm going to have to call bull*** here. See that is the wonderful thing, you have made the assertion that it is impossible to max out the DPS of the CR, you have made that claim. There is absolutely NO evidence to point to the clipping of trigger pulls. There has been none for the Scrambler pistol, the TAC AR, or the SCR (not like you could without a turbo controller on the SCR.). You are making a claim that is unique among dust 514, and therefor it is YOU who have to back up your claim. The math is quite simple, 1200/3=400 RPM. This means if you pull the trigger UNDER 6.66 times a second then it should be IMPOSSIBLE to clip anyway. my assertion is that I can pull the trigger around 6 times a second, as I can reliably prove here. ( I score 5.9-6.1 consistently) This means at base, a SCR does 432 DPS for me and it overheats after 16 shots (unless I spend another 2.5 mil sp on amarr assault, and only use that one suit, then it is 25 shots.) This means that I can do 432 DPS per second for between 3 and 4 seconds before I AM HELPLESS FOR 5 SECONDS. Using the base CR, I can do 552 DPS without overheat and damaging myself, for 3 seconds. Not only that, the CR has an average of 102.5% dmg, rather than the 100% of the ScR, making that 565 DPS, or to put it another way, it does 31% more damage. Proof or STFU. CR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ScR. Dude pay really close attentetion, because it frustrates me to unnecessarily have to repeat myself over and over again. I just timed how many burst the CR can put out in a second with a stop watch. It's 5 in 1.1 seconds. I don't have to prove anything. If someone doesn't believe me then they can get a stop watch and a friend and time themselves and find out that I was telling the truth. It's not hard to do. And I don't care how fast you can pull a trigger, your not going to be able to fire more bursts in a set amount of time the the games programming will alow you to. The is a reason why the assault variant, which is fully auto at 1200 r/m, only does 22 damage, while the burst does 32. There is a refire delay before each consecutively fired burst. Now stop talking out you @$$ your wasting my time. {:)}{3GÇó>
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1702	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:12:00 - [78] - Quote I Call BS. Having maxed out (almost) the Scr and the CR I don't agree at all. Your Math only tells some of the story. Don't forget the situational nature of the guns. If I'm going in Close or any "normal" sort of Battle I would use the CR. Its quicker, more flexible and better vs multiple opponents. Then again, when faced With that Group that just won't leave their advantageous position. You know, high ground, behind fences and so on. And this is no small issue, Dust is a game With more campers than I've ever seen. So faced With 5 dudes With rail rifles and a solid position With open ground around it, how much is my CR Worth? Asolutely nothing. These are the situations where the Scr is brilliant. Its not only the range, but its the high alpha. With the Scr I can charge up, pop out of cover, kill 1 dude and go back into cover. Doing this, even at Shorter range With a CR makes me much more voulnerable to enemy fire. Yesterday I had this sort of game. Playing alone in domination With more or less the entire enemy team camped up on a pyramid defending the objective from there. Its within range of the CR, but when I pop out of cover I had 5-6 dudes shoting back at me, I couldn't put out enough damage to score a kil before I was dead mysalf. I switched to the Scr and started to completely destroy the other team. With that I could kill 1 dude quickly enough to survive the enemy barrage. Go to cover, charge a shot, pop out a New Place and rinse and repeat. I do however feel like the removal of the Amar Assault bouns was uneccissary. Its not like that combo is any more OP than, lets say a Galente Assault With a RR.... The Scr is as Close to an "Assault sniper" we've come in Dust. The CR is a Close/med range rapid fire burst AR. You can't simply put a DPS number and say thas that. Its way too simple. Scr - CR Balance is good enough. http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:13:00 - [79] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Stealth ScR nerf thread eh? It's not a nerf thread. I have simply done the math looking for anomalies, have found some and reported on them. "So I am sure it has been mentioned, but the combat rifle does -á27% more damage per trigger squeeze. (72 dmg for ScR versus 96 damage for CR)" What does that mater when the trigger on a CR can only be pulled at most 5 times a second, where as, the ScR can be pulled in excess of 8 times per second? proof or STFU Quote: "The combat rifle does 102.5% normalized damage (everyone else does 100% normalized)" This was already accounted for in my initial analysis found in my OP. "The combat rifle has 30+% more sustainable DPS than any other wepaon." Exactly what numbers are you basing this on?-á Std AR damage per mag: 2,040 Std RR damage per mag: 2,310 Std CR damage per mag: 1,728 Sustainable DPS is what you get when you calculate the maximum damage that can be done constantly with a weapon. This is a very very straight forward process for the weapons without overheat. You multiple the damage per round by the rounds in a magazine and divide that by the product of the rounds per second and the reload time. In the case of the Combat Rifle, this goes: (32 damage per round * 54 rounds per magazine) / ( [54 rounds per magazine/20 rounds per second] + 2.6 second reload) (3254) / ([54/18] +2.6) = 308 (at my firing speed or 6 pulls per second) The ScR is different, you have an upper limit of the amount of damage you can do before overheating kicks in, and then you are stopped. This happens much faster and more often than the magazine empting, so this is your ScR damage limiting factor. The SCR can fire 16 rounds before overheat (25 on the amarr assault). This is the number you should use when calculating sustained DPS. So the calculation goes as follows: Damage per round times the rounds before overheat divided by the length of seizure (which is 5 seconds.) (72 damage per round 16 rounds) / ([16/6] + 5) = 150 DPS. OR if you must stick with your obviously biased damage per magazine, you should consider the ScR magazine to be between 16 to 25 rounds, because after that firing you are overheated and probably dead (because you can't use a sidearm/sprint and you just did a free 50 DMG to yourself) Quote: "The sustainable DPS of the ScR is near the bottom of all rifles (remember that pesky overheat? that means 16 shots before overheat or 9 shots with 1 overheated shot)" I just recently tested this, it is 19 rounds before over heat, with a damage output of 1,425 at the std level unmoded. No, the amount of rounds you can shoot before overheat depend upon your firing speed. I get 16 rounds reliably before overheat (25 with maxxed amarr assault), I think with a turbo controller you get 10. At your rate of fire (I guess 5 rounds per second) the ScR does 350 DPS at base for 4 seconds, and then you are HELPLESS FOR 5 SECONDS. In that same time with a CR would have done 1728 (480 DPS) and already be 0.4 seconds into your reload, able to switch weapons or sprint. Thanks for helping me prove my point. Quote: "The ScR can (and does) kill the user of the weapon (through overheating damage)." This does not excuse the gross imbalance in TTK/payload delivery between the ScR and the other rifles. "So that makes it pretty clear that the CR is the OP rifle." Now, explain to me how that works again, given that I have just countered all your points, and clearly demonstrated the gross imbalance in TTK between these weapons in my OP. "Then again, all of the rifles do way too much damage, and there is not reason why a rifle with double the range (RR) should do anywhere near the same amount of damage the AR does." And the RR doesn't, as can clearly be seen with the number given in my OP. You have proven nothing other than you are bad at math an analytical observations. I have shown how your numbers are flawed, and your reasoning is flawed. I have not made any wild claims (trigger pull clipping) that are completely un-founded and without evidence (hence merrit). Just stop. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:22:00 - [80] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Dude pay really close attentetion, because it frustrates me to unnecessarily have to repeat myself over and over again. I just timed how many burst the CR can put out in a second with a stop watch. It's 5 in 1.1 seconds. I don't have to prove anything. If someone doesn't believe me then they can get a stop watch and a friend and time themselves and find out that I was telling the truth. It's not hard to do. And I don't care how fast you can pull a trigger, your not going to be able to fire more bursts in a set amount of time the the games programming will alow you to. The is a reason why the assault variant, which is fully auto at 1200 r/m, only does 22 damage, while the burst does 32. There is a refire delay before each consecutively fired burst. Now stop talking out you @$$ your wasting my time. Just because you repeat a lie a bunch of times doesn't make it magically true. You are not a politician. You are making a claim (trigger pull clipping) that HAS NEVER BEEN MADE BEFORE. Your proof of this? It is your word that you have timed yourself. This means NOTHING. You word is worth less than nothing, because by relying on only this poor bit of information, you show that you are incapable or providing actual evidence. This calls into question your motives, and wether or not you are lying (signs point to lying). I too have timed how long it takes me to empty a clip of a CR, I got about 3 seconds. This means I was pulling the trigger around 6 times per second(of course this claim is unfounded because it is just my word and I do not have a video of it). This lines up with my average click speed at the above site I linked to before. Fortunately I am not the one making the claim (trigger pull clipping) with no proof of either a) being physically able to trigger pull above 5 times per second or b) the clipping itself Your prior claim of 19 trigger pulls before the ScR overheated proves that you are not pulling the trigger very fast. Just stop man. You look like you are either a 11 year old trying to argue, or are purposefully trying to get a gun that kills you nerfed. The CR >>>>>>>>>>>>> all rifles for damage. That isn't right. the AR should have the highest damage out of all rifle, but unfortunately it does less DPS that just about all of other rifles. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1080	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:24:00 - [81] - Quote I'm through arguing with you bro. I have made my case quite clearly. And I am quite certain that any one with half a brain can see exactly what I am saying and the truth of it. Lol, sustainable DPS. {:)}{3GÇó>
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:41:00 - [82] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I'm through arguing with you bro. I have made my case quite clearly. And I am quite certain that any one with half a brain can see that exactly what I am and the truth of it. Lol, sustainable DPS. Ok so this means that you have been thoroughly disproven right? I mean, I have point-by-point discredited EVERYTHING you have claimed, and shown that you are incompetent right? People emptying the CR in 3 seconds or less Here 17-18 shots before overheat with SCR on un-bonused suit. here Click per second calculator here When are you going to stop lying, stop misrepresenting stuff, and show some freaking proof?? While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1080	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:47:00 - [83] - Quote I just did another test on emptying a full mag. It takes 4.1 seconds to empty a mag. At 18 bursts per mag that comes out to 0.22777778 seconds per burst. Or, 1.13888889 seconds for five burst. Now I don't have the ability to capture video or believe me I would, just to cram it down this @$$holes throat, but anyone can easily do this test, and to anyone who can post video of them doing this test I welcome it. {:)}{3GÇó>
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:57:00 - [84] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I just did another test on emptying a full mag. It takes 4.1 seconds to empty a mag. At 18 bursts per mag that comes out to 0.22777778 seconds per burst. Or, 1.13888889 seconds for five burst. Now I don't have the ability to capture video or believe me I would, just to cram it down this @$$holes throat, but anyone can easily do this test, and to anyone who can post video of them doing this test I welcome it. Ok so tomorrow when I post a video, and it shows that you are completely and utterly full of ****, you are going to STFU up? I just capture some but I still need to uplaod them. Just FYI, I also captured a scrambler, and I can get 15 rounds before overheat. So when I upload these videos, are you going to STFU? While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1080	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:57:00 - [85] - Quote People emptying the CR in 3 seconds or less Here I watch this whole video, and not once did it show somonw time ing how long it takes to empty a clip. And you want to go around calling me a liar. Pfft Click per second calculator here Clicks per second doesn't matter if there is a refire delay, you dumb ****. Hope your enjoying making yourself look like a complete @$$. {:)}{3GÇó>
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1080	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:58:00 - [86] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I just did another test on emptying a full mag. It takes 4.1 seconds to empty a mag. At 18 bursts per mag that comes out to 0.22777778 seconds per burst. Or, 1.13888889 seconds for five burst. Now I don't have the ability to capture video or believe me I would, just to cram it down this @$$holes throat, but anyone can easily do this test, and to anyone who can post video of them doing this test I welcome it. Ok so tomorrow when I post a video, and it shows that you are completely and utterly full of ****, you are going to STFU up? I just capture some but I still need to uplaod them. Just FYI, I also captured a scrambler, and I can get 15 rounds before overheat. So when I upload these videos, are you going to STFU? Give it your best shot. {:)}{3GÇó>
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 11:02:00 - [87] - Quote ok fine, since you are continuing to be a complete and utter jackass about this, I will make you a wager. IF I show you a video of emptying the magazine in under 4 seconds, you give me 250 mil isk IF I do not, I give you 250 mil isk. Or if you are broke, how about posting privledges. If I post the aforementioned video, you will never post on these forums again, and if I fail to, I will never post again. Come on *******, put you money where your mouth is. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
8213 Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 1566	Posted - 2014.01.31 11:03:00 - [88] - Quote TTK can only be applied to full-automatic weaponry. Fish in a bucket! Darken's Testament SKIPPY
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1080	Posted - 2014.01.31 11:07:00 - [89] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: ok fine, since you are continuing to be a complete and utter jackass about this, I will make you a wager. IF I show you a video of emptying the magazine in under 4 seconds, you give me 250 mil isk IF I do not, I give you 250 mil isk. Or if you are broke, how about posting privledges. If I post the aforementioned video, you will never post on these forums again, and if I fail to, I will never post again. Come on ******, put you money where your mouth is. What kind of a stupid child are you. shakes his head* Moron. Il post my own in depth video tomorrow how about that? Humm? {:)}{3GÇó>
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 11:10:00 - [90] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: ok fine, since you are continuing to be a complete and utter jackass about this, I will make you a wager. IF I show you a video of emptying the magazine in under 4 seconds, you give me 250 mil isk IF I do not, I give you 250 mil isk. Or if you are broke, how about posting privledges. If I post the aforementioned video, you will never post on these forums again, and if I fail to, I will never post again. Come on ******, put you money where your mouth is. What kind of a stupid child are you. shakes his head* Moron. Not confident enough to bet? How about 50 mil isk? 20 mil isk? Come on, you are so confident in everything you have said (which I have shot down time and again). This is easy isk for you. Could it be that you realize that you are wrong and just don't want to admit it? Is that the best you can come up with? Moron and child? If I was busy getting all of my math completely disproven, I do not think that is the choice of words I would make. Come on, make the bet. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.



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