The following numbers represent how long it takes each weapon to output 600 HP damage on a level field (no efficacy bonuses) with the exception of the ACR.

ACR 1.36363636 seconds (need more info on the vanilla CR in order to calculat - specifically "burst delay interval) as well with the projectile type weapons this number will be further reduced by 5% due to it being the only weapon type with an unbalanced damage efficacy swing (i.e. 95%/110%). This number then works out to-á1.29545454

AR-á1.28342246 seconds

RR 1.2892519-á

The SR is a bit tricky as it is a simi-auto weapon. Many sources would say that 660 r/m is pushing the limit of human capability, and that while griping a gun handle (equivalent DS3 grip) achievable RoF is around 480.

This is a video of a world record being set for revolver:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcStqGyXzbY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

If you subtract the time it took him to reload, the RoF works out to around 8 trigger pulls a second. This will work out to around 480 r/m. So that is the RoF we will use.

SR:-á0.9469697 seconds

So as you can see there is a problem. There is one weapon that is far superior to all of the others: the scrambler rifle, by an obscenely large margin. I feel like this can be easily felt in the field.

Convolution: the SR needs to have its damage per shot reduced in order to to bring it in line with the other weapons.

Also

The difference between the payload output of the AR and CR/RR is very-ánegligible.-áIf the AR is supposed to be the king of CQC then I would recommend increasing the AR's RoF to around 800 r/m.

At 800 r/m the would bring the AR's payload delivery to-á1.20320856 thus adequately making up for what it looses in range.

This is for everyone's consideration, but I hope that CCP will pay particular close attention to this thread.

If anyone is interested in knowing the math I used to calculate these numbers just ask (you too CCP) just ask and I will post the equations.

Blah blah blah, math math math, oh wait, the SCR is weak against armor - only 80% effective -did you take that into account with your mathematics there chief?

If you want to lower the SCR's damage, you will also need to lower its heat build up so you can have longer sustained fire, because there is only 1.6 seconds of continues fire before it overheats, while the other guns can fire for 4-5 seconds, making missing a few rounds not that much of an issue.

If you miss with the SCR, yer screwed...so those who you come across make it a habbit of not missing a single round, hence you dead...scrubs with the SCR, i take those on 3 at the same time with a RR in CQC.

Blah blah blah, math math math, oh wait, the SCR is weak against armor - only 80% effective -did you take that into account with your mathematics there chief?

He didn't take into account -anything- other than what he was focusing on.

He didn't take into account -anything- other than what he was focusing on.

Don't let your math overcome logic. Numbers can only tell you so much. So the scrambler rifle can dish out initial damage faster than the other rifles? But guess what? It can't sustain it's damage like the other rifles can. The scrambler rifle is balanced. If anything, it could use a little less hip fire accuracy, but that's it.

I did use logic: in 1v1 combat the scrambler rifle will win everytime, unless you're some kind of a morron.

Well either I'm a moron (only one "r"), or the Kaalakiota Rail Rifle, Boundless Combat Rifle, and Duvolle Assault Rifle are better than you give them credit for.

"only one "r""

Seriously, a clarical error, that's your retort? Lol.

I'm going with moron.

"only one "r""

Seriously, a clarical error, that is your retort? Lol.

I'm going with moron.

Cant take on multiple people with the SCR

overheating during a fight is almost a guaranteed death

Good luck killing a tanked out heavy before you overheat

Otherwise yes it will tear you apart if they're up close, you're alone, and they land most of their shots.

Cant take on multiple people with the SCR

overheating during a fight is almost a guaranteed death

Good luck killing a tanked out heavy before you overheat

Otherwise yes it will tear you apart if they're up close, you're alone, and they land most of their shots.

The proto ScR is capable of outputting 1,742.3094 damage before overheat (with pro 5 and two damage mods; a common enough thing). So I think that that qualifies it to be classed a weapon capable of taking on multiple targets simultaneously. And with it having the lowest TTK out of all the rifles by an extreme margin, I would say that my classing it as imbalanced/OP is acurate.

*Shakes his head* who do you guys think you are trying to fool here? I use th damned thing. I am prof 4 with it.

Still, the SCR is an Alpha weapon, you deal everything at the start and have no sustained fireate, all the other guns have lower alpha damage but put out more then double sustained fire.


I can kill multiple people with the SCR, but with my Rail Rifle its allot easier (and i am talking CQC as thats the the range i am always in 90% of the time), with the CR people die extremely fast (burst or Assault) and i see no change in how many people i kill at the end of the game, still high 30/40 kills a game but my derp deaths have gone down back to 1-3 vs 4-5 with the SCR.

There is little to no margin of error on the SCR, with the CR it fires so many rounds and when aimed at the face many will land there, Rail Rifle is just making sure you don't stop firing, witch is the opposite of the SCR where you want to preserve as much rounds as possible on target.

I love the SCR but the RR is my new CQC goto weapon, especially if they push the new changes.

You're missing the entire point here. In 1v1 combat their is no concivable way to compete with this weapon. How in the hell is that balance in anyway at all?

The following numbers represent how long it takes each weapon to output 600 HP damage on a level field (no efficacy bonuses) with the exception of the ACR.

ACR 1.36363636 seconds (need more info on the vanilla CR in order to calculate - specifically "burst delay interval) as well with the projectile type weapons this number will be further reduced by 5% due to it being the only weapon type with an unbalanced damage efficacy swing (i.e. 95%/110%). This number then works out to-á1.29545454 seconds.

AR-á1.28342246 seconds.

RR 1.2892519-áseconds.

The SR is a bit tricky as it is a simi-auto weapon. Many sources would say that 660 r/m is pushing the limit of human capability, and that while griping a gun handle (equivalent DS3 grip) achievable RoF is around 480.

This is a video of a world record being set for revolver:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcStqGyXzbY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

If you subtract the time it took him to reload, the RoF works out to around 8 trigger pulls a second (his world record is actually higher than 8 by several desimal points). This will work out to around 480 r/m. So that is the RoF we will use.

SR:-á0.9469697 seconds.

So as you can see there is a problem. There is one weapon that is far superior to all of the others: the scrambler rifle, by an obscenely large margin. I feel like this can be easily felt in the field.

Conclusion: the SR needs to have its damage per shot reduced in order to bring it in line with the other weapons.

Also

The difference between the payload output of the AR and CR/RR is very-ánegligible.-áIf the AR is supposed to be the king of CQC then I would recommend increasing the AR's RoF to around 800 r/m.

At 800 r/m this would bring the AR's payload delivery to-á1.20320856 thus adequately making up for what it looses in range.

This is for everyone's consideration, but I hope that CCP will pay particular close attention to this thread.

If anyone is interested in knowing the math I used to calculate these numbers just ask (you too CCP) just ask and I will post the equations.

{edit>>> also, I would recomend that the max possible RoF for the SR be reduced to around 510 r/m, in order to discourage the use of mod controllers. The RoF should still be a little high to reward those capable of achieving such an output.

So its fine that everything else is being balanced around this "TeamPlay" thing but the SCR needs to be balanced around solo 1 vs 1 ?

Every time someone says: OMG i can't kill x solo, people come out of the woodword to r*pe the guy a new hole that says TeamWork, but concering the SCR its "i can't solo a SCR user".


The last SCR guy that went up against me last week, who i killed 9 times that game in 1 vs 1 with my RR, send me some nice tears in the mail, youll see when the SCR users pick up another gun, that you won't live allot longer.

Most people i shoot with the RR that see me, as in both walk around the corner and spot one another at 5 meters away, do not posses the ability to even start to shoot at me before they die, they would be the same dead if i had an SCR, just their perceived delayed dying instead og the instagib is all that is diffrent. But on both occasions they cannot reach for their gun.

If the SCR is that OP, we would have everyone using it, like when the Tac was OP, its way passed Uprising and only a few use it to this date, ive moved on to a gun that cannot be exploited with a Rapid Fire controller, so people don't think i am cheating (KBM player though) because all my last tearmails from people are about me being a turbo fire scrub with the SCR, witch i am oviously am not. But some have already apologised to me when they got the same r*pe rate from my Rail Rifle.

Before using numbers learn to use them thanks !

8 shot/s ? Are you damn crazy ?
Without modded controller it's IMPOSSIBLE.
And even if it was possible then it will overheat in less than 2sec and explode the weapon.
Have you take into account than overheat means death of the user ? And than it's the only rifles that have penality ?
Have you take into account than the recoil per shot is HUGE ?
Than 20% less damage to armor means 20% less damage to almost EVERYBODY ?

You can't just use Alpha damage to compair weapon.
You didn't take into account the range of each weapons.

To be clear it'sl ike i was saying *RANDOOOOOM NUMBEEEEEEEERS*

1v1 Rei Shepard RR Vs Rei Shepard ScR, how wins? Come on man use your head. The numbers don't lie.

"So its fine that everything else is being balanced around this "TeamPlay" thing but the SCR needs to be balanced around solo 1 vs 1 ?"

What does this even mean?