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KingBabar
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Posted - 2014.01.31 10:12:00 -
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I Call BS.
Having maxed out (almost) the Scr and the CR I don't agree at all. Your Math only tells some of the story.
Don't forget the situational nature of the guns.
If I'm going in Close or any "normal" sort of Battle I would use the CR. Its quicker, more flexible and better vs multiple opponents.
Then again, when faced With that Group that just won't leave their advantageous position. You know, high ground, behind fences and so on. And this is no small issue, Dust is a game With more campers than I've ever seen.
So faced With 5 dudes With rail rifles and a solid position With open ground around it, how much is my CR Worth? Asolutely nothing.
These are the situations where the Scr is brilliant. Its not only the range, but its the high alpha. With the Scr I can charge up, pop out of cover, kill 1 dude and go back into cover. Doing this, even at Shorter range With a CR makes me much more voulnerable to enemy fire.
Yesterday I had this sort of game. Playing alone in domination With more or less the entire enemy team camped up on a pyramid defending the objective from there. Its within range of the CR, but when I pop out of cover I had 5-6 dudes shoting back at me, I couldn't put out enough damage to score a kil before I was dead mysalf. I switched to the Scr and started to completely destroy the other team. With that I could kill 1 dude quickly enough to survive the enemy barrage. Go to cover, charge a shot, pop out a New Place and rinse and repeat.
I do however feel like the removal of the Amar Assault bouns was uneccissary. Its not like that combo is any more OP than, lets say a Galente Assault With a RR....
The Scr is as Close to an "Assault sniper" we've come in Dust. The CR is a Close/med range rapid fire burst AR. You can't simply put a DPS number and say thas that. Its way too simple. Scr - CR Balance is good enough.
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.01.31 11:22:00 -
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So OP, no comment about my post on page 4?
you know, adresing the actual issue, not merely letting the numbers speak?
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.01.31 11:48:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:KingBabar wrote:So OP, no comment about my post on page 4?
you know, adresing the actual issue, not merely letting the numbers speak? Sorry dude, not trying to be rude but I really don't see anything worth replying to in your post. Probably why I didn't reply to it when I first read it.
So this entire thread is as pointless as Your math?
Lets look on the Math, and lets totally ignore the reality of Battlefield conditions.
So this is a thread about a theoretical Balance or lack off it, it has nothing to do With actual Balance, gotcha.
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KingBabar
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Posted - 2014.01.31 12:48:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Refresh my memory... what drawbacks does the CR have again?
Balanced damge types?? Weak against any type of tank?? no
Low DPS? (ha, try the highest)
Overheat? nope
Hard to fit? nope
Lets contrast that to the ScR
Only normal damage profile (you know, only avergaed to 100%)? yep
between 11-18 shots and then you are helpless for 5 seconds? yep
Requires a specific suit with 2.4 mil sp to be truely effective? yep
Hardest to fit rifle (almost hardest to fit weapon)? yep
Lowest sustained DPS? yep
Can kill the user? yep
OH right, the ScR is just ridiculously overpowered.
You forgot the difference in range and,
the high alpha of the scr, and,
ammo Count.
The Scr out ranges the CR, so in those situations the Scr is God and the CR is useless.
High alpha Equals dead enemies before they can get to cover, and this is not a smal thing, high alpha dps and protection are normally the 2 mst valuable stas for a slayer fitting.
With my scrambler rifle Assault fit I can use either a Scanner or a Rephive or whatever, it never runs out of ammo. Same setup With a CR makes me dependant on carrying an enhanced nanohive or better. So for the same offensive capabilities i need either a Scr or a CR + Hive. So which ones of these are easiest ot fit?
And you keep talking like the only possible use for the Scr is to fire Close to overheat and then wait for 5 Seconds. Thats very far from true. Mysalf and many experienced Scr players sort of "spreads out" Our fire, smal bursts that doesn't deplete the over heat. When in CQC against multiple opponets its a mater of switching between the Scr and a sidearm, I've mowd Down Squads doing just that.
The way you foreward Your arguments leads me to think that the Scr isn't a gun for you. Its a sort of "gentlemans" weapon that takes a lot of skill to use well, but when wielded by the righ hands its among the best guns we have.
I mostly use my CR these days, I'm a CQC player after all, but I'm still very glad I specced into the Scr, its still a beast of a gun. That you can't use it properly is entirely Your fault. I see Your Math, I agree on that part. I do not however agree at all that the CR is any kind of OP compared to the Scr.
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