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Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2159	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:10:00 - [1] - Quote So i made a LAV and my proto FG fit again but i wouldnt be soloing vehicles because i use TEAMWORK and it makes the job easier I was in a squad, mostly a 4-5man group and yes we did deploy tanks In the LAV was me and spkr both proto FG and prof except i was only prof 1 and Spkr is prof 4 i think, the rest of the group either groundpounded or had a MLT/STD tanks Match 1 1 gunlogi - Drove the LAV around looking for it and when we found it we parked behind it and shot it to death, 3 shots each and he did have a hardener running Match 2 1 soma - Once again driving around looking for targets, found it parked behind it, aimed at the sweetsport and alpha'd it, 1 shot each Couple of matches go by no vehicles Match 4 2 gunlogi + 1 sica - This time i was solo at the start of the match, group was awol a little bit for the 1st kill, drove a LAV around found 2 enemy tanks next to each other, 1 guy had a milita swarm so i hit the tank he was hitting, 3 shots and it down 2nd tank was retreating after hardeners went off from swarm guy and i parked to where he was heading to and 2 shot it 3rd tank was inside a compound and 1 of our group had a tank out who was taking it on and i popped it as it retreated where i was waiting Match 5 1 Maddy & sica - Maddy inside a compound and i 4 shot it, no help and the sica i happened to warbarge strike it and got lucky i didnt know it was there Unlike most AV we were prepared to chase the tank around, my LAV was built for chasing stuff around and was quick as hell and AV wise were built our suits for max damage The tanks we did find were mostly crap because mlt is, id say a couple were not too shabby mainly the gunlogis and the pilots were not too bad, they retreated and used hardeners and ran away quickly When we did clear the field of tanks no more were spawned back in, even MLT tanks we took out were not replaced, the majority of the time we had to swap out to infantry/tanks because they didnt gives us any vehicles to shoot at Skirms and domo we played were not tank heavy, at most that night we saw 3 enemy tanks in 1 game, we made a couple of tanks get recalled and generally the field was clear because of 2ppl So far so good and i didnt lose a single suit to an enemy tank that night or even lose my LAV tho i nearly did since i was using my LAV as cover, enemy installations were more dangerous than a tank since they have better aim Does anyone have any questions or need tips on how to AV? Intelligence is OP
Amarrgheddon Warcaste 43	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:41:00 - [2] - Quote No I find a militia railgun on a militia sica dous quite well. I put up more impressive numbers by myself. It took you two proto suits and a lav. Plus I suspect you are lying. You provide no proof.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2160	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:44:00 - [3] - Quote Amarrgheddon wrote: No I find a militia railgun on a militia sica dous quite well. I put up more impressive numbers by myself. It took you two proto suits and a lav. Plus I suspect you are lying. You provide no proof. MLT tank does quite well, i have that on an alt because i have no AV I could have put proto FG on a templar heavy suit tbh, but i might aswell fo all the way and get a better tank too plus the LAV is a must for any AV, how do you chase that which moves when you yourself cannot move? I have 4 witnesses to this feat of AV action, is it because i can do something that you cannot? Intelligence is OP
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 310	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:48:00 - [4] - Quote HOLY CRAP WHO WOULDA THOUGHT A LITTLE FREAKIN TEAM WORK WOULD BE SO OP, I CANT BELIVE U KILLED A MILITA TANK THEY ARE INVINCIBLE!
Amarrgheddon Warcaste 43	Posted - 2014.01.07 13:50:00 - [5] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Amarrgheddon wrote: No I find a militia railgun on a militia sica dous quite well. I put up more impressive numbers by myself. It took you two proto suits and a lav. Plus I suspect you are lying. You provide no proof. MLT tank does quite well, i have that on an alt because i have no AV I could have put proto FG on a templar heavy suit tbh, but i might aswell fo all the way and get a better tank too plus the LAV is a must for any AV, how do you chase that which moves when you yourself cannot move? I have 4 witnesses to this feat of AV action, is it because i can do something that you cannot? when I see the red star guys they are cruising in two triple hardened gunnlogis with a madrugar rail as support.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 312	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:00:00 - [6] - Quote Amarrgheddon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Amarrgheddon wrote: No I find a militia railgun on a militia sica dous quite well. I put up more impressive numbers by myself. It took you two proto suits and a lav. Plus I suspect you are lying. You provide no proof. MLT tank does quite well, i have that on an alt because i have no AV I could have put proto FG on a templar heavy suit tbh, but i might aswell fo all the way and get a better tank too plus the LAV is a must for any AV, how do you chase that which moves when you yourself cannot move? I have 4 witnesses to this feat of AV action, is it because i can do something that you cannot? when I see the red star guys they are cruising in two triple hardened gunnlogis with a madrugar rail as support. there is nothing wrong with that, its what are you going to do to stop them that may become a probem, the main factor in any battle is the intelligence of your enemy. if he is smart ,big deal, if they are all smart even, bigger dea,l and if they are dumb, well lol
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1599	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:09:00 - [7] - Quote you invested 3 guys to rolling around in av gear.... seems like you'd of lost most of those matches.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2161	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:10:00 - [8] - Quote calisk galern wrote: you invested 3 guys to rolling around in av gear.... seems like you'd of lost most of those matches. Only invested 2 tbh After the tanks were cleared we did what we normally do and that is either tank or go infantry We won most of the matches, even tho not too fussed even if we lose im going after tanks with AV Intelligence is OP
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 312	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:16:00 - [9] - Quote calisk galern wrote: you invested 3 guys to rolling around in av gear.... seems like you'd of lost most of those matches. you see what he did was he killed them so fast with such a high dps weapon and a friend that they didnt think it was worth calling in another vehicle to reduced to scrap
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 695	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:27:00 - [10] - Quote Let me know how this would help players who don't have a Heavy Suit or Heavy weapons but have specced into Full AV gear for medium and light suits.

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3136	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:42:00 - [11] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Let me know how this would help players who don't have a Heavy Suit or Heavy weapons but have specced into Full AV gear for medium and light suits. It wouldn't. See tankers have this "special" kind of logic that makes them believe that only heavies should be able to take out vehicles simply because their vehicle has the word HEAVY in it. On another note, if only heavies should kill "heavies"; then we need to nerf the Shotgun and Nova Knife. CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2161	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:42:00 - [12] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Let me know how this would help players who don't have a Heavy Suit or Heavy weapons but have specced into Full AV gear for medium and light suits. Most have swarms Maxed out swarms still hurt armor and non shiny shield tanks, even with a hardener a group of swarms do really well and fast firing time so the clip is out in seconds With swarms they dont have that punch a FG has or even a PLC Best way to take a tank down is to do it in a group, you need mass missiles all at once since each missile does so much dmg on its own and each missile dmg isnt enough to stop the regen so it has to be on mass if it has hardeners on No hardeners its fine Intelligence is OP
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3136	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:43:00 - [13] - Quote You used teamwork. Huh? Now how many of those tanks were forced to use teamwork? If I'm forced to use teamwork, then why shouldn't the tanker? 1=1 CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2161	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:53:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: You used teamwork. Huh? Now how many of those tanks were forced to use teamwork? If I'm forced to use teamwork, then why shouldn't the tanker? 1=1 Those tanks could have been working in a group They may have been supporting the infantry I didnt mind using teamwork, makes the job a bit easier, i did solo a couple of them basically but it just makes the job longer If you want an enemy tank off the field use teamwork I still use teamwork in my tank, sometimes im in a 6man group and we are all using teamwork does that mean it should then take 6 to take me out because im using teamwork in a 6man group? Intelligence is OP
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 372	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:59:00 - [15] - Quote i see, so you finally squad up with babar and accept his challenge... Not that we don't trust you but you know....Crutch user always lies to save their crutch Once you try "HMG-FAT" you never get back...
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2161	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:05:00 - [16] - Quote Jastad wrote: i see, so you finally squad up with babar and accept his challenge... Not that we don't trust you but you know....Crutch user always lies to save their crutch Like i did it with babar, he hasnt even contacted me I did this on my own back just to see how hard it really it, with most having proto AV it shouldnt be a problem, the only way it would be difficult is with lower AV hence why if you have next to no AV a mlt tank is better Intelligence is OP
Snagman 313 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 240	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:13:00 - [17] - Quote Looks at thread waves other mercs past. "Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" Closed Beta AV veteran I drink because I play Dust
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2161	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:20:00 - [18] - Quote Snagman 313 wrote: Looks at thread waves other mercs past. "Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? Intelligence is OP
Snagman 313 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 240	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:28:00 - [19] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snagman 313 wrote: Looks at thread waves other mercs past. "Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? That my 88k Soma is awesome at mullering infantry and 79k Sica is better for knocking out other tanks than my double complex dmg modded Ishukone AFG AK.0 fit at 187k. I certainly didn't say I don't run HAVs just that I don't like the current amounts in Ambush and the Militia HAV effectiveness for the price thats all. I also won't deny that the Maddies and Gunnloggis needed a buff bad but honestly something needs to change. Your retort sir! Closed Beta AV veteran I drink because I play Dust
Amarrgheddon Warcaste 48	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:40:00 - [20] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snagman 313 wrote: Looks at thread waves other mercs past. "Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? lying doesn't work as well for them

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2161	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:45:00 - [21] - Quote Snagman 313 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snagman 313 wrote: Looks at thread waves other mercs past. "Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? That my 88k Soma is awesome at mullering infantry and 79k Sica is better for knocking out other tanks than my double complex dmg modded Ishukone AFG AK.0 fit at 187k. I certainly didn't say I don't run HAVs just that I don't like the current amounts in Ambush and the Militia HAV effectiveness for the price thats all. I also won't deny that the Maddies and Gunnloggis needed a buff bad but honestly something needs to change. Your retort sir! I find that most mlt tanks which kill tanks are with the rail, high dmg/range and rof Using a blaster mlt tank is meh tbh but the dmg mods can make a big diff to any tank its just its defences can be meh, i can kill with a blaster but generally i have to get the jump on them and sometimes i have to run, with my alt i have no tank skills Even tho the tank is faster moving than your heavy, its why i used a LAV, can cover more ground and go through places that tanks cant and can easily get behind them without them seeing me and if you are a good driver you have no problem survivng most of the time As for ambush dont play it and its whoever spams the tank in 1st win since if they have the ground they will whack it before the bolas drops it Intelligence is OP
Thumb Green Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 639	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:56:00 - [22] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Jastad wrote: i see, so you finally squad up with babar and accept his challenge... Not that we don't trust you but you know....Crutch user always lies to save their crutch Like i did it with babar, he hasnt even contacted me I did this on my own back just to see how hard it really it, with most having proto AV it shouldnt be a problem, the only way it would be difficult is with lower AV hence why if you have next to no AV a mlt tank is better All I see are words and no video to prove it. Babar probably hasn't contacted you because you haven't found the balls to actually accept his challenge. No instead you keep posting bs like this expecting us to take your obviously bias word for it and then insult anyone that doesn't. CCP: Is it the most asinine way possible to do this? Yes. Then that's how we're doing it.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2161	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:01:00 - [23] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Jastad wrote: i see, so you finally squad up with babar and accept his challenge... Not that we don't trust you but you know....Crutch user always lies to save their crutch Like i did it with babar, he hasnt even contacted me I did this on my own back just to see how hard it really it, with most having proto AV it shouldnt be a problem, the only way it would be difficult is with lower AV hence why if you have next to no AV a mlt tank is better All I see are words and no video to prove it. Babar probably hasn't contacted you because you haven't found the balls to actually accept his challenge. No instead you keep posting bs like this expecting us to take your obviously bias word for it and then insult anyone that doesn't. His challenge he has to contact me, except he wants it done in lolambush Ive killed tanks with UP AV because thats what players keep saying and its not UP, i didnt have a problem I will do it again tonight and post again and then the day after and after that and may do it for a solid week Intelligence is OP
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 616	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:01:00 - [24] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: HOLY CRAP WHO WOULDA THOUGHT A LITTLE FREAKIN TEAM WORK WOULD BE SO OP, I CANT BELIVE U KILLED A MILITA TANK THEY ARE INVINCIBLE! Team work is hella op
sixteensixty4 CAUSE 4 C0NCERN 145	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:07:00 - [25] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snagman 313 wrote: Looks at thread waves other mercs past. "Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? Says that they crap, i mean we got players from before the tank update that complained that they couldnt kill a tank back when they were pretty much easy mode to solo Its not even just bad AV users, this game seems to attract terrible players full stop, end of match score boards prove this with the bottem ten players on each team with scores like 0 \ 10 etc Spot on regarding the LAV, its pretty much a no brainer and essential for AV now, I've had KING CHECKMATE camped on a lone roof top the whole match trying to forge me.... from that same one spot, all game, unsuccessfully... then he makes a thread complaining tanks are op lol because he cant camp the towers anymore and deny tankers the whole map, which is how it should be, get in your LAV, on the battlefield, get your hands dirty and hunt that tank down if you want it gone I will say though, as a tank driver, that my tank could probabaly do with a little speed nerf, and im not sure if 3 hardeners should be a viable fit, and a price increase on the hulls could probably prevent them being spammed, make a mlt tank cost the same as a match pay out But yeah, generally, bad players are just bad
Thumb Green Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 640	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:12:00 - [26] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: His challenge he has to contact me, except he wants it done in lolambush Ive killed tanks with UP AV because thats what players keep saying and its not UP, i didnt have a problem I will do it again tonight and post again and then the day after and after that and may do it for a solid week Well you know, Babar isn't the only person that can record video; there's plenty of other people that can and I'm sure there are at least a few that would be more than happy to help prove you right. So stop posting threads & comments that make it look like you're sucking your own **** & your buddies too and post some actual proof instead. CCP: Is it the most asinine way possible to do this? Yes. Then that's how we're doing it.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2161	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:20:00 - [27] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: His challenge he has to contact me, except he wants it done in lolambush Ive killed tanks with UP AV because thats what players keep saying and its not UP, i didnt have a problem I will do it again tonight and post again and then the day after and after that and may do it for a solid week Well you know, Babar isn't the only person that can record video; there's plenty of other people that can and I'm sure there are at least a few that would be more than happy to help prove you right. So stop posting threads & comments that make it look like you're sucking your own **** & your buddies too and post some actual proof instead. Proof is my word & witnesses and victims Plus i run a 2man LAV, no 3rd seat so they would have to keep up and not get in the way or just spend the time recording the killfeed Its easy to ask for video proof when only so many actually have it, its like a get out of jail free card on any thread you dont like Intelligence is OP
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3144	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:22:00 - [28] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atiim wrote: You used teamwork. Huh? Now how many of those tanks were forced to use teamwork? If I'm forced to use teamwork, then why shouldn't the tanker? 1=1 Those tanks could have been working in a group They may have been supporting the infantry I didnt mind using teamwork, makes the job a bit easier, i did solo a couple of them basically but it just makes the job longer If you want an enemy tank off the field use teamwork I still use teamwork in my tank, sometimes im in a 6man group and we are all using teamwork does that mean it should then take 6 to take me out because im using teamwork in a 6man group? Bolding for visibility. CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5382	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:22:00 - [29] - Quote You had to put all that effort with an expensive fit and three people, while I could have done it in a militia tank AND not lose my anti infantry capabilities This only proves one point: Tanker vs AV is EXTREMELY unbalanced effort wise Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2161	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:26:00 - [30] - Quote Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atiim wrote: You used teamwork. Huh? Now how many of those tanks were forced to use teamwork? If I'm forced to use teamwork, then why shouldn't the tanker? 1=1 Those tanks could have been working in a group They may have been supporting the infantry I didnt mind using teamwork, makes the job a bit easier, i did solo a couple of them basically but it just makes the job longer If you want an enemy tank off the field use teamwork I still use teamwork in my tank, sometimes im in a 6man group and we are all using teamwork does that mean it should then take 6 to take me out because im using teamwork in a 6man group? Bolding for visibility. You are not forced You can still solo Intelligence is OP

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2161	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:28:00 - [31] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: You had to put all that effort with an expensive fit and three people, while I could have done it in a militia tank AND not lose my anti infantry capabilities This only proves one point: Tanker vs AV is EXTREMELY unbalanced effort wise I did that with 2ppl mainly and after the field was cleared they didnt dare bring out any tanks so i went infantry/tank and killed infantry Railgun killing infantry isnt as good as a blaster ever Intelligence is OP
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3144	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:28:00 - [32] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: You are not forced You can still solo Your right you can still solo, if the tanker is AFK or has the IQ of a 2 year old child. Though to be fair, that encompasses a vast majority of them. CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Thumb Green Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 640	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:31:00 - [33] - Quote Your word means nothing and all of your witnesses I've seen so far seem to either be your buddies or otherwise bias people. It seems all you want to do is talk smack and make excuses. Can't be hassled to put a turret on your LAV so you can have someone ride along to prove you right? That just shows how afraid you are of being proven wrong. CCP: Is it the most asinine way possible to do this? Yes. Then that's how we're doing it.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2162	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:36:00 - [34] - Quote Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: You are not forced You can still solo Your right you can still solo, if the tanker is AFK or has the IQ of a 2 year old child. Though to be fair, that encompasses a vast majority of them. So then if they have the IQ of a 2 year old child why are most AV players not killing them? Intelligence is OP
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2162	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:37:00 - [35] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Your word means nothing and all of your witnesses I've seen so far seem to either be your buddies or otherwise bias people. It seems all you want to do is talk smack and make excuses. Can't be hassled to put a turret on your LAV so you can have someone ride along to prove you right? That just shows how afraid you are of being proven wrong. No its because my LAV is made to survive in case i pop up in front of a blaster tank and need to get away If i use a weaker LAV my chances of surviving a tank encounter drop and i may die as a consequence all because im carrying a useless camera man just for you Intelligence is OP
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 976	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:44:00 - [36] - Quote Atiim wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Let me know how this would help players who don't have a Heavy Suit or Heavy weapons but have specced into Full AV gear for medium and light suits. It wouldn't. See tankers have this "special" kind of logic that makes them believe that only heavies should be able to take out vehicles simply because their vehicle has the word HEAVY in it. On another note, if only heavies should kill "heavies"; then we need to nerf the Shotgun and Nova Knife. Whats to say the rules are the same with infantry and vehicles? The rules of combat are very different. Tanks are jump in jump out now. If a videogame followed one rule it would be very boring. Maybe CCP actually is intending heavies to take out tanks. That one of the major points of the class isn't it? Prt SL, SCR, SR . ADV FGs, MDs, LaZor, KNs. Gunnlogi, Falchion, Python, Caldari LDS. (+require) Prt L. Am, Adv HVY, LGS
Thumb Green Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 640	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:44:00 - [37] - Quote Well call in two LAV's then so the cameraman can easily follow you but I'm sure you will come up with an excuse not to do that as well. CCP: Is it the most asinine way possible to do this? Yes. Then that's how we're doing it.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3144	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:47:00 - [38] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So then if they have the IQ of a 2 year old child why are most AV players not killing them? They are. It's the people who actually know how to drive that are theoretically impossible to kill with conventional AV. But that's okay. Your "special" after all. CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3144	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:50:00 - [39] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Whats to say the rules are the same with infantry and vehicles? Logic and Common Sense. Otherwise we lead to what's called "double standards." Xender17 wrote: The rules of combat are very different. Tanks are jump in jump out now. If a videogame followed one rule it would be very boring. Maybe CCP actually is intending heavies to take out tanks. That one of the major points of the class isn't it? Then why use anything other than the Forge Gun? Exactly. CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Baltazar Pontain Phantom Universe Task Force Die Fremdenlegion 56	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:57:00 - [40] - Quote Binding two people in proto stuff + vehicle to kill one guy in milita tank. Can someone explain me why people think that is ok?

Snagman 313 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 242	Posted - 2014.01.07 17:04:00 - [41] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snagman 313 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snagman 313 wrote: Looks at thread waves other mercs past. "Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? That my 88k Soma is awesome at mullering infantry and 79k Sica is better for knocking out other tanks than my double complex dmg modded Ishukone AFG AK.0 fit at 187k. I certainly didn't say I don't run HAVs just that I don't like the current amounts in Ambush and the Militia HAV effectiveness for the price thats all. I also won't deny that the Maddies and Gunnloggis needed a buff bad but honestly something needs to change. Your retort sir! I find that most mlt tanks which kill tanks are with the rail, high dmg/range and rof Using a blaster mlt tank is meh tbh but the dmg mods can make a big diff to any tank its just its defences can be meh, i can kill with a blaster but generally i have to get the jump on them and sometimes i have to run, with my alt i have no tank skills Even tho the tank is faster moving than your heavy, its why i used a LAV, can cover more ground and go through places that tanks cant and can easily get behind them without them seeing me and if you are a good driver you have no problem survivng most of the time As for ambush dont play it and its whoever spams the tank in 1st win since if they have the ground they will whack it before the bolas drops it Definitely the Rail HAV is the best AV device at the moment IMO. I don't really like to use the LAV for movement with my FG fit for that I have my sqd place uplinks in choke points and spawn quickly before bugging out. The problem with the LAV is than while you say it's it's easy to get around and behind them it is very visible to any Tanker with half a brain i.e big old RDV dropping something off hmmm wonder if it's a HAV.... nope LAV better watch out for Suicide LAV's and then the second you get out of it you're vulnerable to small arms fire whereas in the SIca you're immune and you just need to sneak around the redline until you get a shot at them or run away if they get a shot at you. On that point it should be noted if you have to face off against an HAV you nearly always die as a FG user since you can't run away at any speed sure you might be lucky and hope your LAV doesn't get blown up but I doubt it. Soooo Proto FG fit vs Sica I still take the FG fit most of the time because I refuse to give in and like it but in pubs grinding ISK vs the HAV swarm the only viable way to hunt HAVs and still make a profit is the SIca which I have no skills in. And no major offence intended by the next statement but whatever, don't for a second think that because you went 1 night rolling AV against some single or double HAV teams that AV is fine come back when you encounter a full 4 or 5 Pro HAV convoy rolling in and out of a city murdering everyone while the rest of your team tries to do something with what AV they can field before the infantry murder them. Then keep encountering them match after match and then tell me AV is balanced, sure 1 or 2 clever tanker vs 3 or 6 clever AV is a great battle but 4 or 5 clever tankers and say 10 infantry camping spawns vs 12 or 15 AV and 1 infantry not so good. But don't worry the Nerf is on it's way and those delicious WP's for vehicle damage will be a great addition to the AV team!!! Closed Beta AV veteran I drink because I play Dust
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 284	Posted - 2014.01.07 17:35:00 - [42] - Quote This is going to be my one and only post in response to the least productive but most vocal person in the vehicle/AV debate: Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. 1. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. I know a dropship pilot who six months ago was able to stay in the air a whole game, move troops around, get kills, and never get shot out of the sky--and I saw him do it in Planetary Conquest, Factional Warfare, and pub matches. Does that mean dropships were balanced and pilots just needed to HTFU and adapt? I don't believe that, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim that. 2. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. Balance in a role-based game is predicated on the idea that a role that is strong in one way is weak in another. Therefore the question is not whether AV are capable of destroying tanks, it's a question of what they have to give up to do it, and whether they're being proportionately compensated for their weaknesses in their area of strength. Right now, people are using militia tanks and suicide LAVs because they're able to accomplish the job better without making sacrifices. Just because they could do the job with forge guns and swarm launchers doesn't mean it's the best way to get it done--and if you can get better results without sacrificing flexibility, why wouldn't you? 3. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. I want to emphasize this point because you seem to be under the delusion that what is possible must be balanced. Tankers didn't believe this in 1.6, despite many of them going multiple matches without being destroyed. There are scouts who run around in ninja fits with nova knives--they get kills, therefore they are balanced? I regularly go positive on my skill-less alt with starter fits, so obviously a starter fit is just as good as a proto. There's not a problem with the matchmaking system, people just need to learn to adapt. 4. And finally: Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should. You talk about teamwork, but what you really mean is buddy-work. If I'm working on a team, and not just out to kill vehicles, I likely have a more important responsibility than chasing down tanks the whole game. Because while I'm off chasing one tank, me and my buddy are leaving the rest of the team defenseless against any other vehicle that decides to sidle up and give them hell. That's not teamwork, that's selfishness. These are the reasons why your anecdotes and continuing posts are irrelevant. You're setting out to prove a limited point, with limited applicability, and pretending as though the results prove some universal truth. But of course I'm doing this for the benefit of the people reading your threads, not for you yourself. You've already made up your mind, and wouldn't change it if I presented you with a thousand pages of hard, incontrovertible evidence. So to all of you who have any sense, I leave you this TL;DR: Don't feed the troll. If you don't respond to his posts, they will just disappear into the archive. Let them. The Tank Balancing Factor No One Is Discussing
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2162	Posted - 2014.01.07 17:44:00 - [43] - Quote Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So then if they have the IQ of a 2 year old child why are most AV players not killing them? They are. It's the people who actually know how to drive that are theoretically impossible to kill with conventional AV. But that's okay. Your "special" after all. So bad pilots are dying and good pilots are surviving so then whats the problem? Intelligence is OP
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2162	Posted - 2014.01.07 17:45:00 - [44] - Quote Baltazar Pontain wrote: Binding two people in proto stuff + vehicle to kill one guy in milita tank. Can someone explain me why people think that is ok? Thats not just for milita tanks That is my preferred setup to kill all tanks Intelligence is OP
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1487	Posted - 2014.01.07 17:46:00 - [45] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snagman 313 wrote: Looks at thread waves other mercs past. "Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? The tanker is bull***ing It's like everytime we say that we take out a miltia tank and survive matches of worth of AV, you don't believe. Also its amazing that you think it reasonable to use teamwork, but at any point were you actually Assaulted by these tanks? Did you actually kill them at a time where it made more of difference than just to the tankers wallet? How many did you get when it mattered? By your OP - 0 Tanks 514* I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2162	Posted - 2014.01.07 17:48:00 - [46] - Quote Snagman 313 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snagman 313 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snagman 313 wrote: Looks at thread waves other mercs past. "Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? That my 88k Soma is awesome at mullering infantry and 79k Sica is better for knocking out other tanks than my double complex dmg modded Ishukone AFG AK.0 fit at 187k. I certainly didn't say I don't run HAVs just that I don't like the current amounts in Ambush and the Militia HAV effectiveness for the price thats all. I also won't deny that the Maddies and Gunnloggis needed a buff bad but honestly something needs to change. Your retort sir! I find that most mlt tanks which kill tanks are with the rail, high dmg/range and rof Using a blaster mlt tank is meh tbh but the dmg mods can make a big diff to any tank its just its defences can be meh, i can kill with a blaster but generally i have to get the jump on them and sometimes i have to run, with my alt i have no tank skills Even tho the tank is faster moving than your heavy, its why i used a LAV, can cover more ground and go through places that tanks cant and can easily get behind them without them seeing me and if you are a good driver you have no problem survivng most of the time As for ambush dont play it and its whoever spams the tank in 1st win since if they have the ground they will whack it before the bolas drops it Definitely the Rail HAV is the best AV device at the moment IMO. I don't really like to use the LAV for movement with my FG fit for that I have my sqd place uplinks in choke points and spawn quickly before bugging out. The problem with the LAV is than while you say it's it's easy to get around and behind them it is very visible to any Tanker with half a brain i.e big old RDV dropping something off hmmm wonder if it's a HAV.... nope LAV better watch out for Suicide LAV's and then the second you get out of it you're vulnerable to small arms fire whereas in the SIca you're immune and you just need to sneak around the redline until you get a shot at them or run away if they get a shot at you. On that point it should be noted if you have to face off against an HAV you nearly always die as a FG user since you can't run away at any speed sure you might be lucky and hope your LAV doesn't get blown up but I doubt it. Soooo Proto FG fit vs Sica I still take the FG fit most of the time because I refuse to give in and like it but in pubs grinding ISK vs the HAV swarm the only viable way to hunt HAVs and still make a profit is the SIca which I have no skills in. And no major offence intended by the next statement but whatever, don't for a second think that because you went 1 night rolling AV against some single or double HAV teams that AV is fine come back when you encounter a full 4 or 5 Pro HAV convoy rolling in and out of a city murdering everyone while the rest of your team tries to do something with what AV they can field before the infantry murder them. Then keep encountering them match after match and then tell me AV is balanced, sure 1 or 2 clever tanker vs 3 or 6 clever AV is a great battle but 4 or 5 clever tankers and say 10 infantry camping spawns vs 12 or 15 AV and 1 infantry not so good. But don't worry the Nerf is on it's way and those delicious WP's for vehicle damage will be a great addition to the AV team!!! I find the LAV is easier because the heavy is so slow and cumbersome, the LAV is also used as a quick escape and generally most pilots see a LAV and ignore it when it escapes and if they dont see it they think if may have been killed or even recalled I cant use spawn points because if it goes up **** creek or the HAV sees me i cant excatly move fast and escape plus it puts me on the ground with infantry, at least a LAV can be a shield and escape point Im doing this again for the next few nights, so far so good Intelligence is OP
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2162	Posted - 2014.01.07 17:52:00 - [47] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snagman 313 wrote: Looks at thread waves other mercs past. "Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? The tanker is bull****ing It's like everytime we say that we take out a miltia tank and survive matches of worth of AV, you don't believe. Also its amazing that you think it reasonable to use teamwork, but at any point were you actually Assaulted by these tanks? Did you actually kill them at a time where it made more of difference than just to the tankers wallet? How many did you get when it mattered? By your OP - 0 Pre 1.7 all proto AV did was at least 3k per shot swarms and 2k plus for a FG and mlt tanks were worse then than they are now so if they were that good i would have seen them in PC for example or even videos of the OP MLT tanks surviving pre 1.7 swarms Also the tank kills were within the 1st 10mins, we spawned with proto FG suits at the start and got the LAV in and chased em down and got rid of them, won most of the game that night when we cleared the field Intelligence is OP
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1487	Posted - 2014.01.07 17:55:00 - [48] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snagman 313 wrote: Looks at thread waves other mercs past. "Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? The tanker is bull***ing It's like everytime we say that we take out a miltia tank and survive matches of worth of AV, you don't believe. Also its amazing that you think it reasonable to use teamwork, but at any point were you actually Assaulted by these tanks? Did you actually kill them at a time where it made more of difference than just to the tankers wallet? How many did you get when it mattered? By your OP - 0 Pre 1.7 all proto AV did was at least 3k per shot swarms and 2k plus for a FG and mlt tanks were worse then than they are now so if they were that good i would have seen them in PC for example or even videos of the OP MLT tanks surviving pre 1.7 swarms Also the tank kills were within the 1st 10mins, we spawned with proto FG suits at the start and got the LAV in and chased em down and got rid of them, won most of the game that night when we cleared the field Did I mention pre 1.7? No. So you killed a couple of mlt tanks, not doing anything, tben proceeded to pull out your own tanks nd stomp them? And you believe tanks are fine? Tanks 514* I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Scout Registry 353	Posted - 2014.01.07 17:56:00 - [49] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: In the LAV was me and spkr Taki: BFF? Spkr: BFF.
Snagman 313 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 242	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:00:00 - [50] - Quote [/quote] I find the LAV is easier because the heavy is so slow and cumbersome, the LAV is also used as a quick escape and generally most pilots see a LAV and ignore it when it escapes and if they dont see it they think if may have been killed or even recalled I cant use spawn points because if it goes up **** creek or the HAV sees me i cant excatly move fast and escape plus it puts me on the ground with infantry, at least a LAV can be a shield and escape point Im doing this again for the next few nights, so far so good[/quote] Fair enough you got your way I've got mine but it's something you should consider I've been doing this for a while and AV is apparently a team sport. If you come across treadnaughters in game be sure to get footage or at least names of the Tankers so the folks can check in or they won't believe you but I think if you ran ambush you might get a taste of a why they HAV nerf is being called for. Especially since I have such a huge amount of SP sunk into my AV gear whereas if I run my mlt Sica I do sooo much better and I'm a crap tanker TBH. Closed Beta AV veteran I drink because I play Dust

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2162	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:05:00 - [51] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snagman 313 wrote: Looks at thread waves other mercs past. "Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? The tanker is bull****ing It's like everytime we say that we take out a miltia tank and survive matches of worth of AV, you don't believe. Also its amazing that you think it reasonable to use teamwork, but at any point were you actually Assaulted by these tanks? Did you actually kill them at a time where it made more of difference than just to the tankers wallet? How many did you get when it mattered? By your OP - 0 Pre 1.7 all proto AV did was at least 3k per shot swarms and 2k plus for a FG and mlt tanks were worse then than they are now so if they were that good i would have seen them in PC for example or even videos of the OP MLT tanks surviving pre 1.7 swarms Also the tank kills were within the 1st 10mins, we spawned with proto FG suits at the start and got the LAV in and chased em down and got rid of them, won most of the game that night when we cleared the field Did I mention pre 1.7? No. So you killed a couple of mlt tanks, not doing anything, tben proceeded to pull out your own tanks nd stomp them? And you believe tanks are fine? So not pre 1.7 a mlt tank can survive a bunch of matches? yes they can survive and that is OP now? I killed more std tanks than mlt and yea when no more vehicles were in i either went infantry or pulled out my own tank and stomp the team because they had no AV or tanks since they were afraid that they would get popped again Tanks are in alot better place than they used to be and im just riding this high before the drop, if mlt gets nerfed wont effect me i use std and proto stuff If mods get nerfed i wont be too happy, if mods get changed ie mlt dmg mods do only 10%dmg and 1min cooldown and complex do 30%dmg and has a 45sec cooldown i could deal with so higher meta mods better bonuses and % etc If railguns get nerfed to below dmg of a FG i wont be happy, same if they nerf range also since the turret is long range If they nerf blasters then i wont be happy because it is a giant AR anyways What prob will happen is that everything gets a nerf Intelligence is OP
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1503	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:05:00 - [52] - Quote And I can still solo tanks. So what? so AV is ok right? NO. Most dumb up post I read in awhile. Sprk put you up to it? So what your saying is not that it takes TEAM to take out one tank BUT that if you have enough TIN CANS on the field then it makes up for the loss of the AV team? So in the end it comes down to who can field in more tanks. AND THAT IS STUPID. This is not an RTS.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2162	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:07:00 - [53] - Quote Snagman 313 wrote: I find the LAV is easier because the heavy is so slow and cumbersome, the LAV is also used as a quick escape and generally most pilots see a LAV and ignore it when it escapes and if they dont see it they think if may have been killed or even recalled I cant use spawn points because if it goes up **** creek or the HAV sees me i cant excatly move fast and escape plus it puts me on the ground with infantry, at least a LAV can be a shield and escape point Im doing this again for the next few nights, so far so good[/quote] Fair enough you got your way I've got mine but it's something you should consider I've been doing this for a while and AV is apparently a team sport. If you come across treadnaughters in game be sure to get footage or at least names of the Tankers so the folks can check in or they won't believe you but I think if you ran ambush you might get a taste of a why they HAV nerf is being called for. Especially since I have such a huge amount of SP sunk into my AV gear whereas if I run my mlt Sica I do sooo much better and I'm a crap tanker TBH. [/quote] I had the FG for months, i know how to use it As for lolambush i dont play it, its all about who can call in as many tanks as possible in that mode because once they are in the enemy cant get anything in and if the same ambush tankers went into any other mode they would hammered off the map and lose so many tanks they would quit and go back to ambush Intelligence is OP
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2162	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:10:00 - [54] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: And I can still solo tanks. So what? so AV is ok right? NO. Most dumb up post I read in awhile. Sprk put you up to it? So what your saying is not that it takes TEAM to take out one tank BUT that if you have enough TIN CANS on the field then it makes up for the loss of the AV team? So in the end it comes down to who can field in more tanks. AND THAT IS STUPID. This is not an RTS. It took 2ppl but i was in a 5man group, general communication between the 5 of us is OP because we called out stuff to each other like locations of tanks and infantry etc And no your still wrong, i ve seen 6man squads each field a tank in skirmish/domo and still lose because the infantry got hammered and couldnt hack the points Intelligence is OP
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1503	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:19:00 - [55] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Surt gods end wrote: And I can still solo tanks. So what? so AV is ok right? NO. Most dumb up post I read in awhile. Sprk put you up to it? So what your saying is not that it takes TEAM to take out one tank BUT that if you have enough TIN CANS on the field then it makes up for the loss of the AV team? So in the end it comes down to who can field in more tanks. AND THAT IS STUPID. This is not an RTS. It took 2ppl but i was in a 5man group, general communication between the 5 of us is OP because we called out stuff to each other like locations of tanks and infantry etc And no your still wrong, i ve seen 6man squads each field a tank in skirmish/domo and still lose because the infantry got hammered and couldnt hack the points But your not seeing at HOW will this help retention? Force everyone to join a corp after acedemy? No **** that communication is the key to winning, and teamwork. that was true before tank spam. hence why prostomps happen. But you can't force randoms to play a specific way. and that's why it's more then just if my proto ass self can solo tanks. so what if the new young ins are getting slaughter by em. There already gimped the new players or mid tier players by us vets, and old clans. Now they are gimped more by tank spam. unless they themselves are forced to jump in a tank just to compete. And that's not cool.
echo47 Minmatar Republic 165	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:20:00 - [56] - Quote Serious questions OP what was your fit? both lav and dropsuit How many times did you die to infantry? I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1503	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:23:00 - [57] - Quote I'm not even mentioning that AV should still equal AV. Like in every other FPS game out there, Not named BF. I would also say what I think about also players who never touched a FPS game, going into tanks so they die less. and killing my fellow FPS players. But that's more of my personel view.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2162	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:26:00 - [58] - Quote echo47 wrote: Serious questions OP what was your fit? both lav and dropsuit How many times did you die to infantry? Basic proto heavy - proto AFG, 2 enhanced dmg mods, 1 plate 2 reps and the LAV was proto overdrive and 2 complex light reps no turret Died once to infantry, my fault i rolled the LAV and it ended up on the roof had to get out to flip and got gunned down apart from that no other deaths by infantry Intelligence is OP
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2162	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:27:00 - [59] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Surt gods end wrote: And I can still solo tanks. So what? so AV is ok right? NO. Most dumb up post I read in awhile. Sprk put you up to it? So what your saying is not that it takes TEAM to take out one tank BUT that if you have enough TIN CANS on the field then it makes up for the loss of the AV team? So in the end it comes down to who can field in more tanks. AND THAT IS STUPID. This is not an RTS. It took 2ppl but i was in a 5man group, general communication between the 5 of us is OP because we called out stuff to each other like locations of tanks and infantry etc And no your still wrong, i ve seen 6man squads each field a tank in skirmish/domo and still lose because the infantry got hammered and couldnt hack the points But your not seeing at HOW will this help retention? Force everyone to join a corp after acedemy? No **** that communication is the key to winning, and teamwork. that was true before tank spam. hence why prostomps happen. But you can't force randoms to play a specific way. and that's why it's more then just if my proto ass self can solo tanks. not if the new young ins are getting slaughter by em. There already gimped the new players or mid tier players by us vets, and old clans. Now they are gimped more by tank spam. unless they themselves are forced to jump in a tank just to compete. And that's not cool. Retention is a diff matter completely The whole game is broken in various areas that new players dont like or cant deal with and its a still in beta and missing alot of content Intelligence is OP
Stinker Butt 0uter.Heaven 334	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:38:00 - [60] - Quote average dedicated tankers are usually at the top of the leader board average dedicated AV players are at the bottom that's not balanced Please give tanks some balance

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3148	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:41:00 - [61] - Quote Stinker Butt wrote: average dedicated tankers are usually at the top of the leader board average dedicated AV players are at the bottom that's not balanced Yep, it even caused a hate thread. But I hope this will change in 1.8, as CCP has promised WP awards for damaging vehicles. CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1488	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:41:00 - [62] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? The tanker is bull***ing It's like everytime we say that we take out a miltia tank and survive matches of worth of AV, you don't believe. Also its amazing that you think it reasonable to use teamwork, but at any point were you actually Assaulted by these tanks? Did you actually kill them at a time where it made more of difference than just to the tankers wallet? How many did you get when it mattered? By your OP - 0 Pre 1.7 all proto AV did was at least 3k per shot swarms and 2k plus for a FG and mlt tanks were worse then than they are now so if they were that good i would have seen them in PC for example or even videos of the OP MLT tanks surviving pre 1.7 swarms Also the tank kills were within the 1st 10mins, we spawned with proto FG suits at the start and got the LAV in and chased em down and got rid of them, won most of the game that night when we cleared the field Did I mention pre 1.7? No. So you killed a couple of mlt tanks, not doing anything, tben proceeded to pull out your own tanks nd stomp them? And you believe tanks are fine? So not pre 1.7 a mlt tank can survive a bunch of matches? yes they can survive and that is OP now? I killed more std tanks than mlt and yea when no more vehicles were in i either went infantry or pulled out my own tank and stomp the team because they had no AV or tanks since they were afraid that they would get popped again Tanks are in alot better place than they used to be and im just riding this high before the drop, if mlt gets nerfed wont effect me i use std and proto stuff If mods get nerfed i wont be too happy, if mods get changed ie mlt dmg mods do only 10%dmg and 1min cooldown and complex do 30%dmg and has a 45sec cooldown i could deal with so higher meta mods better bonuses and % etc If railguns get nerfed to below dmg of a FG i wont be happy, same if they nerf range also since the turret is long range If they nerf blasters then i wont be happy because it is a giant AR anyways What prob will happen is that everything gets a nerf Pre 1.7 a proto modded tank could last 2 matches at most, it wasn't worth being a tanker. But now its the other way round, mlt tank can last ages, being anything but a tanker is incredibly futile. Never said tanks weren't in a better place, never said it wasn't in the right direction. But you cannot tell me they are anyway near balanced when it took 2-3 people with proto gear to kill a couple of tanks, that were doing nothing of note. Tanks 514* I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2073	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:44:00 - [63] - Quote Since 1.7 I have used a Proto Swarm launcher for AV and a Standard Forge Gun for AV. - The Forge Gun is fine. Works great. - The Swarm Launcher is under powered. The Proto SwL is inferior to the Standard Forge Gun for AV. I am getting tired of Forge Gunners making threads to say that the AV balance is fine. It is not fine for Medium and Light Frame suits, although with sticky Remote Explosives Light suits are a bit better off than Medium Frames. I also donGÇÖt want to encourage Medium and Light Frame specialists to skill into Heavy Suits. As a person who mostly plays heavy (My Heavy is Crash Gaden), I donGÇÖt want the Heavy suit to become the new Assault suit. Finally the obligatory: Fox Gaden wrote: I still say: Buff missile damage by 30 = 250 damage per missile (down from 330 in 1.6) Buff range by 25m = 200m range (down from 400 in 1.6) These small buffs would get the Swarm Launcher a lot closer to being balanced. After seeing the how that plays out we can determine if they need to be buffed any further. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Stinker Butt 0uter.Heaven 334	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:56:00 - [64] - Quote Atiim wrote: Stinker Butt wrote: average dedicated tankers are usually at the top of the leader board average dedicated AV players are at the bottom that's not balanced Yep, it even caused a hate thread. But I hope this will change in 1.8, as CCP has promised WP awards for damaging vehicles. that's a pathetic group of kids, so I wouldn't take it seriously. Unfortunately it seems to be the group that CCP is supporting with this build. I don't think anybody is good that drives a tank. If they have good stats it's likely only because they drive a tank. Get your K/D above 5 without tanks or sniping and I'll believe your good. Please give tanks some balance
Snagman 313 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 242	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:58:00 - [65] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snagman 313 wrote: I find the LAV is easier because the heavy is so slow and cumbersome, the LAV is also used as a quick escape and generally most pilots see a LAV and ignore it when it escapes and if they dont see it they think if may have been killed or even recalled I cant use spawn points because if it goes up **** creek or the HAV sees me i cant excatly move fast and escape plus it puts me on the ground with infantry, at least a LAV can be a shield and escape point Im doing this again for the next few nights, so far so good Fair enough you got your way I've got mine but it's something you should consider I've been doing this for a while and AV is apparently a team sport. If you come across treadnaughters in game be sure to get footage or at least names of the Tankers so the folks can check in or they won't believe you but I think if you ran ambush you might get a taste of a why they HAV nerf is being called for. Especially since I have such a huge amount of SP sunk into my AV gear whereas if I run my mlt Sica I do sooo much better and I'm a crap tanker TBH. [/quote] I had the FG for months, i know how to use it As for lolambush i dont play it, its all about who can call in as many tanks as possible in that mode because once they are in the enemy cant get anything in and if the same ambush tankers went into any other mode they would hammered off the map and lose so many tanks they would quit and go back to ambush [/quote] Months sure yeah that makes you competent Forge gunner but you're still fairy fresh in the AV world and you can't like or lump different game modes in wether Hav's or their pilots are good or not, you need to include ambush even if you deem it beneath you as it's where all the new players started in fact we all started there. Closed Beta AV veteran I drink because I play Dust
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2162	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:07:00 - [66] - Quote Snagman 313 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snagman 313 wrote: I find the LAV is easier because the heavy is so slow and cumbersome, the LAV is also used as a quick escape and generally most pilots see a LAV and ignore it when it escapes and if they dont see it they think if may have been killed or even recalled I cant use spawn points because if it goes up **** creek or the HAV sees me i cant excatly move fast and escape plus it puts me on the ground with infantry, at least a LAV can be a shield and escape point Im doing this again for the next few nights, so far so good Fair enough you got your way I've got mine but it's something you should consider I've been doing this for a while and AV is apparently a team sport. If you come across treadnaughters in game be sure to get footage or at least names of the Tankers so the folks can check in or they won't believe you but I think if you ran ambush you might get a taste of a why they HAV nerf is being called for. Especially since I have such a huge amount of SP sunk into my AV gear whereas if I run my mlt Sica I do sooo much better and I'm a crap tanker TBH. I had the FG for months, i know how to use it As for lolambush i dont play it, its all about who can call in as many tanks as possible in that mode because once they are in the enemy cant get anything in and if the same ambush tankers went into any other mode they would hammered off the map and lose so many tanks they would quit and go back to ambush [/quote] Months sure yeah that makes you competent Forge gunner but you're still fairy fresh in the AV world and you can't like or lump different game modes in wether Hav's or their pilots are good or not, you need to include ambush even if you deem it beneath you as it's where all the new players started in fact we all started there. [/quote] I include PC over ambush any time Intelligence is OP
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 706	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:26:00 - [67] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Let me know how this would help players who don't have a Heavy Suit or Heavy weapons but have specced into Full AV gear for medium and light suits. Most have swarms Maxed out swarms still hurt armor and non shiny shield tanks, even with a hardener a group of swarms do really well and fast firing time so the clip is out in seconds With swarms they dont have that punch a FG has or even a PLC Best way to take a tank down is to do it in a group, you need mass missiles all at once since each missile does so much dmg on its own and each missile dmg isnt enough to stop the regen so it has to be on mass if it has hardeners on No hardeners its fine Please do get a Proto Medium/Light Suit (I'd suggest medium) More CPU, PG and High Slots. Get Wyrkomi Swarms with 3 damage mods and Prof 5 + Other swarm skills Lai dai AV Nades K-2 Nanohives Call in an Lav and around with two more swarmers. That'd be over 500K in suits and equipment. Let me know how that goes against a good Soma/Sica LOL Nice try with this AV vs Tank is Fair BS
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 706	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:29:00 - [68] - Quote Atiim wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Let me know how this would help players who don't have a Heavy Suit or Heavy weapons but have specced into Full AV gear for medium and light suits. It wouldn't. See tankers have this "special" kind of logic that makes them believe that only heavies should be able to take out vehicles simply because their vehicle has the word HEAVY in it. On another note, if only heavies should kill "heavies"; then we need to nerf the Shotgun and Nova Knife. Only Infantry should kill infantry and we should receive 0 Damage from Tanks lol... Tanks should receive 0 damage from infantry. That'd be a new kind of game. A hybrid version of World of tanks and COD... According to some here, that's a proper balance lol
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 706	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:31:00 - [69] - Quote Btw, a Soma Fitted with Proto Rail was one shotting everything in a Dom last night from the red line. That's proper tanking !!!
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:01:00 - [70] - Quote If I accept the veracity of Takahiro's post then tanks must magically make people smarter. AV players are not successful because they are stupid and bad players, yet a dedicated AV'er who goes 2/10 as an AV'er can call in a tank and easily go 10/2, this must be because the tank made him smarter. It is funny how in 1.6 tankers were getting destroyed but they weren't stupid but now we have the reverse and it is all player incompetency. Sorry, Takahiro's but you arguments only hurt the credibility of tankers and their legitimate concerns that a nerf axe rather than a nerf scalpel is coming. I think the consensus is that there is a problem with the hardeners and with the speed of tanks. Adjust those and award WP for damage and I think we are going to be close to where we should be.

Righteous Rage BIG BAD W0LVES 13	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:18:00 - [71] - Quote Just give me a decent forge again and I will kill every last one of you. "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
Snagman 313 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 243	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:01:00 - [72] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: If I accept the veracity of Takahiro's post then tanks must magically make people smarter. AV players are not successful because they are stupid and bad players, yet a dedicated AV'er who goes 2/10 as an AV'er can call in a tank and easily go 10/2, this must be because the tank made him smarter. It is funny how in 1.6 tankers were getting destroyed but they weren't stupid but now we have the reverse and it is all player incompetency. Sorry, Takahiro's but you arguments only hurt the credibility of tankers and their legitimate concerns that a nerf axe rather than a nerf scalpel is coming. I think the consensus is that there is a problem with the hardeners and with the speed of tanks. Adjust those and award WP for damage and I think we are going to be close to where we should be. Shhhhh bud you're giving the game away let him dig that big old hole! I mean he's already admitted that Ambush is broken with Tanks so step 1 is complete. Closed Beta AV veteran I drink because I play Dust
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1656	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:20:00 - [73] - Quote Amarrgheddon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Amarrgheddon wrote: No I find a militia railgun on a militia sica dous quite well. I put up more impressive numbers by myself. It took you two proto suits and a lav. Plus I suspect you are lying. You provide no proof. MLT tank does quite well, i have that on an alt because i have no AV I could have put proto FG on a templar heavy suit tbh, but i might aswell fo all the way and get a better tank too plus the LAV is a must for any AV, how do you chase that which moves when you yourself cannot move? I have 4 witnesses to this feat of AV action, is it because i can do something that you cannot? when I see the red star guys they are cruising in two triple hardened gunnlogis with a madrugar rail as support. It's called teamwork. You should try it out some time. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 315	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:39:00 - [74] - Quote Atiim wrote: You used teamwork. Huh? Now how many of those tanks were forced to use teamwork? If I'm forced to use teamwork, then why shouldn't the tanker? 1=1 When vehicles can cap points, yep. But then we might as well remove vehicles. Which is something im starting to think this game needs. Ccp can't handle balance and the playerbase cannot adapt to anything that isnt cod.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2164	Posted - 2014.01.08 10:17:00 - [75] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Atiim wrote: You used teamwork. Huh? Now how many of those tanks were forced to use teamwork? If I'm forced to use teamwork, then why shouldn't the tanker? 1=1 When vehicles can cap points, yep. But then we might as well remove vehicles. Which is something im starting to think this game needs. Ccp can't handle balance and the playerbase cannot adapt to anything that isnt cod. I get another respec then and about 6 proto weapons/suits and all the core skills done Intelligence is OP
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2164	Posted - 2014.01.08 10:28:00 - [76] - Quote Another night of AV gone Didnt go aswell this time, mostly bad maps which were all bumpy and hard for my LAV to get about in so it kept flipping but also alot of infantry compounds where we could ignore tanks altogether and just ground pound On the maps where tanks were called in i did get quite a few assists and the odd kill, mainly im always squadded up with 1 tanker so we co-ordinate and set a trap up or i just LAV chase about and let em know where he is and when the time is right pop out and kill him I was also using a proto breach FG this time around on some maps, hits very hard and auto makes the tank back of and run away plus by the time they came back i had another shot charged and lined up ready, 3 shots most tanks even with hardeners on and the suprise factor is awesome, hit that sweet spot and you can be close to alpha kill but its very good for area denial Intelligence is OP
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1	Posted - 2014.01.08 11:56:00 - [77] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Another night of AV gone Didnt go aswell this time, mostly bad maps which were all bumpy and hard for my LAV to get about in so it kept flipping but also alot of infantry compounds where we could ignore tanks altogether and just ground pound On the maps where tanks were called in i did get quite a few assists and the odd kill, mainly im always squadded up with 1 tanker so we co-ordinate and set a trap up or i just LAV chase about and let em know where he is and when the time is right pop out and kill him I was also using a proto breach FG this time around on some maps, hits very hard and auto makes the tank back of and run away plus by the time they came back i had another shot charged and lined up ready, 3 shots most tanks even with hardeners on and the suprise factor is awesome, hit that sweet spot and you can be close to alpha kill but its very good for area denial I've been running AV squads as well, it can be a lot of fun, changes up the game from the usual rinse and repeat. I won't be on again until the weekend but message me in game and I'd like to join up with you guys. I run Forges and HAVs.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3191	Posted - 2014.01.08 11:58:00 - [78] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: It's called spam. You should try it out some time. FTFY CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 378	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:09:00 - [79] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Another night of AV gone Didnt go aswell this time, mostly bad maps which were all bumpy and hard for my LAV to get about in so it kept flipping but also alot of infantry compounds where we could ignore tanks altogether and just ground pound On the maps where tanks were called in i did get quite a few assists and the odd kill, mainly im always squadded up with 1 tanker so we co-ordinate and set a trap up or i just LAV chase about and let em know where he is and when the time is right pop out and kill him I was also using a proto breach FG this time around on some maps, hits very hard and auto makes the tank back of and run away plus by the time they came back i had another shot charged and lined up ready, 3 shots most tanks even with hardeners on and the suprise factor is awesome, hit that sweet spot and you can be close to alpha kill but its very good for area denial Another night with "no proof", i assume..... Once you try "HMG-FAT" you never get back...
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 367	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:21:00 - [80] - Quote I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles

Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1504	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:23:00 - [81] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. Try ambush against 6 tanks, tell me you won, without deploying tanks. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Mortedeamor 1197	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:23:00 - [82] - Quote un fortunatley taka hiro u are 100% right av is fine avers are underpowered..we the older av vets who went through chromosome clearly need to pass our knowledge down i feel that 2 tanks working with av is more effective at stomping tank spam and responding with tank spam..we guardians need to pass down the how and why of being a guardian to the newer players so ccp doesnt accidentally over nerf tanks again Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1820	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:25:00 - [83] - Quote Question... What LAV fit were you using? Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1505	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:42:00 - [84] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: un fortunatley taka hiro u are 100% right av is fine avers are underpowered..we the older av vets who went through chromosome clearly need to pass our knowledge down i feel that 2 tanks working with av is more effective at stomping tank spam and responding with tank spam..we guardians need to pass down the how and why of being a guardian to the newer players so ccp doesnt accidentally over nerf tanks again All knowledge in the World isn't gonna help when you are defending a position against a tank. All this "Advice" consits of hiding or staying out of sight, then get him as he runs for the redline. What are you meant to do when you are expected to hold a position against a tank? You only have to hold it for a few minutes, you haven't got time to set up traps in the middle of the road, what are you supposed to do? For the good it's worth, we might as well have not bothered, just because they have a tank on the field. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2164	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:48:00 - [85] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. i did run around in the LAV against 4+ tanks yday, they kept calling them out its how i ended up with assists Problem is they went railgun so i couldnt get close enough Intelligence is OP
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2164	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:50:00 - [86] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Question... What LAV fit were you using? Overdrive with 2 armor reps on a methana, takes some punishment it does, can survive a FG hit and a rail and can speed away very nicely Also tried it with a couple of small turrets on mainly the missiles and railgun, didnt work that well small turret kep hitting the LAV and with the missle is went everywhere except at the target when moving Intelligence is OP
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1616	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:31:00 - [87] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Jastad wrote: i see, so you finally squad up with babar and accept his challenge... Not that we don't trust you but you know....Crutch user always lies to save their crutch Like i did it with babar, he hasnt even contacted me I did this on my own back just to see how hard it really it, with most having proto AV it shouldnt be a problem, the only way it would be difficult is with lower AV hence why if you have next to no AV a mlt tank is better I haven't contacted you? I invited you to "Rainbow Office" chat and I haven't seen you there yet. Anyways, 2 FGs and a LAV and a map With installations and such makes AV doable. You can drive around buildings etc and Ensure you get into optimum position and Catch the tanks unawares. And With the chance of bringing forth another "LOLAmbush" reply from you, I'd like to see you stop one of these 6 man Squads on the more open ambush maps. If you're not quick enough you'll never even get to Call in any vehicles. Anyways, I had several games yesterday where I took out 2 tanks in several game all alone, go proto RE's! So AV is definately doable, its just IMO very hard and frustrating. Especially considered I had to spend several 230K suits on average for each 70K militia tank I destroyed. But thats all in the past, I finally took the step and fitted 2 militia tanks myself, rail and blaster, Its for me chocking how much of an EZ mode tanking is. 70K tank and no skills and I instantly start to **** anything, well short of proper tanks... And then I realized I could even zoom in With the gun and hit multiple infantry at huge distances who all dropped like flies. I even shot Down a bunch of other scrub tanks With my rail. When infantry came too Close I simply stepped out and killed them and hopped back in again, just like fatty LLAV tryhard of the past. And when it got ugly its just to start an hardener and a speed boost and you're off. I have 5200 HP, hardener, and a speedbooster which practiacally makes me totally invoulnerable to anything but other rail tanks. All the swarms, nades and even RE scouts came at me in Waves and they all died. I understand now ES, I understand why you wanna keep it this way. One thing is for certain though, AV is dead for me, I'll stick With militia tanks instead, much cheaper and insanely more efficient. http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 371	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:32:00 - [88] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. Try ambush against 6 tanks, tell me you won, without deploying tanks. Ambush is a joke these days. Tried playing a few round just to get quick wins on my alt for the 12 days of Christmas. He who calls in the most tanks first wins. There is the initial tank battle in the other game modes but least you have the room to stay outta of the way. Still what ever side wins the initial tank fight generally wins the round in any mode. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 712	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:44:00 - [89] - Quote After dying for the 5th time in a full Proto AV suit, supported by Proto Forge and two other tanks, I finally managed to take a Madrugar out... Tanker went 30-1... Hail AV !!!!!
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 371	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:04:00 - [90] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. i did run around in the LAV against 4+ tanks yday, they kept calling them out its how i ended up with assists Problem is they went railgun so i couldnt get close enough Oh so it's not nearly as effective as you'd like people to believe. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2165	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:27:00 - [91] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. i did run around in the LAV against 4+ tanks yday, they kept calling them out its how i ended up with assists Problem is they went railgun so i couldnt get close enough Oh so it's not nearly as effective as you'd like people to believe. The tanks died due to my help, that is effective in my book and they all went rail because if they went missile/blaster they got taken down so all they could do was go and use range from the redline, they put me out the game so i went infantry and capped/defended points Intelligence is OP
Snagman 313 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 249	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:44:00 - [92] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Jastad wrote: i see, so you finally squad up with babar and accept his challenge... Not that we don't trust you but you know....Crutch user always lies to save their crutch Like i did it with babar, he hasnt even contacted me I did this on my own back just to see how hard it really it, with most having proto AV it shouldnt be a problem, the only way it would be difficult is with lower AV hence why if you have next to no AV a mlt tank is better I haven't contacted you? I invited you to "Rainbow Office" chat and I haven't seen you there yet. Anyways, 2 FGs and a LAV and a map With installations and such makes AV doable. You can drive around buildings etc and Ensure you get into optimum position and Catch the tanks unawares. And With the chance of bringing forth another "LOLAmbush" reply from you, I'd like to see you stop one of these 6 man Squads on the more open ambush maps. If you're not quick enough you'll never even get to Call in any vehicles. Anyways, I had several games yesterday where I took out 2 tanks in several game all alone, go proto RE's! So AV is definately doable, its just IMO very hard and frustrating. Especially considered I had to spend several 230K suits on average for each 70K militia tank I destroyed. But thats all in the past, I finally took the step and fitted 2 militia tanks myself, rail and blaster, Its for me chocking how much of an EZ mode tanking is. 70K tank and no skills and I instantly start to **** anything, well short of proper tanks... And then I realized I could even zoom in With the gun and hit multiple infantry at huge distances who all dropped like flies. I even shot Down a bunch of other scrub tanks With my rail. When infantry came too Close I simply stepped out and killed them and hopped back in again, just like fatty LLAV tryhard of the past. And when it got ugly its just to start an hardener and a speed boost and you're off. I have 5200 HP, hardener, and a speedbooster which practiacally makes me totally invoulnerable to anything but other rail tanks. All the swarms, nades and even RE scouts came at me in Waves and they all died. I understand now ES, I understand why you wanna keep it this way. One thing is for certain though, AV is dead for me, I'll stick With militia tanks instead, much cheaper and insanely more efficient. I think Barbar has nailed it!!! Closed Beta AV veteran I drink because I play Dust
Snagman 313 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 249	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:47:00 - [93] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. i did run around in the LAV against 4+ tanks yday, they kept calling them out its how i ended up with assists Problem is they went railgun so i couldnt get close enough Oh so it's not nearly as effective as you'd like people to believe. The tanks died due to my help, that is effective in my book and they all went rail because if they went missile/blaster they got taken down so all they could do was go and use range from the redline, they put me out the game so i went infantry and capped/defended points Proof or names that you helped redline a 6 man HAV squad or it didn't happen Takahiro, remember you're the one trying to prove to us that AV is working as intended from a Tankers point of view. Closed Beta AV veteran I drink because I play Dust
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2165	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:53:00 - [94] - Quote Snagman 313 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. i did run around in the LAV against 4+ tanks yday, they kept calling them out its how i ended up with assists Problem is they went railgun so i couldnt get close enough Oh so it's not nearly as effective as you'd like people to believe. The tanks died due to my help, that is effective in my book and they all went rail because if they went missile/blaster they got taken down so all they could do was go and use range from the redline, they put me out the game so i went infantry and capped/defended points Proof or names that you helped redline a 6 man HAV squad or it didn't happen Takahiro, remember you're the one trying to prove to us that AV is working as intended from a Tankers point of view. I cant remember who i killed from 12hrs ago Also they were a 4+man, not sure about 6 but we stopped them bringing in tanks into the field and instead they went rail This AV thing was more for me rarther than AV, i have AV and i wanted to see how bad it was so did a little bit of a challenge which is ongoing and i happen to stick it on the forums and annoy ppl Intelligence is OP
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 373	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:54:00 - [95] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. i did run around in the LAV against 4+ tanks yday, they kept calling them out its how i ended up with assists Problem is they went railgun so i couldnt get close enough Oh so it's not nearly as effective as you'd like people to believe. The tanks died due to my help, that is effective in my book and they all went rail because if they went missile/blaster they got taken down so all they could do was go and use range from the redline, they put me out the game so i went infantry and capped/defended points You've gone from this **** is easy look at all these kills to assists. Soon as there is more then one tank on the field or when the map favors tanks infantry AV becomes a lot harder, to the point you may as well use a tank yourself. Me, I like the challenge in running around solo and taking out tanks when the opportunity presents itself, but I do so at a substantial isk loss 99% of the time. Everything has to go right in order to even kill a 88k isk mlt tank, my cheapest fit is 35k and I'll likely lose a few a long the way. So even when I do kill the mlt tank I get squat as far as isk reward goes because it was so cheap to begin win. But I am not in it for the isk, I like seeing my name in the killfeed as the one who killed that tank that was steamrolling my team. Can't speak for everyone else but I am sure many don't enjoy hemorrhaging isk just to kill one tank or just giving up and hiding in a corner. Tanks should fear infantry, not as much as they should other tanks but to some extent. I know I don't on my tank alt, all I have to do is look out for LAV's and people getting behind me, but in either case I can just run away if need be. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2165	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:17:00 - [96] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. i did run around in the LAV against 4+ tanks yday, they kept calling them out its how i ended up with assists Problem is they went railgun so i couldnt get close enough Oh so it's not nearly as effective as you'd like people to believe. The tanks died due to my help, that is effective in my book and they all went rail because if they went missile/blaster they got taken down so all they could do was go and use range from the redline, they put me out the game so i went infantry and capped/defended points You've gone from this **** is easy look at all these kills to assists. Soon as there is more then one tank on the field or when the map favors tanks infantry AV becomes a lot harder, to the point you may as well use a tank yourself. Me, I like the challenge in running around solo and taking out tanks when the opportunity presents itself, but I do so at a substantial isk loss 99% of the time. Everything has to go right in order to even kill a 88k isk mlt tank, my cheapest fit is 35k and I'll likely lose a few a long the way. So even when I do kill the mlt tank I get squat as far as isk reward goes because it was so cheap to begin win. But I am not in it for the isk, I like seeing my name in the killfeed as the one who killed that tank that was steamrolling my team. Can't speak for everyone else but I am sure many don't enjoy hemorrhaging isk just to kill one tank or just giving up and hiding in a corner. Tanks should fear infantry, not as much as they should other tanks but to some extent. I know I don't on my tank alt, all I have to do is look out for LAV's and people getting behind me, but in either case I can just run away if need be. Its the 2nd night and it happened to be assists more than kills this time, the 3rd night could be the same or it goes like the 1st night Its pubs, ISK reward is random and you dont get anything for killing a tank let alone a proto suit, even last patch killing a 1.7mil tank didnt give you much reward if any at all, that is a seperate issue Intelligence is OP
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 373	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:42:00 - [97] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Its the 2nd night and it happened to be assists more than kills this time, the 3rd night could be the same or it goes like the 1st night Its pubs, ISK reward is random and you dont get anything for killing a tank let alone a proto suit, even last patch killing a 1.7mil tank didnt give you much reward if any at all, that is a seperate issue The ISK balance is broken, according to my vehicle alt's wallet vehicles with prudent use vehicles can be profitable. That's great, they needed it but it's happening at the cost of making infantry a lot harder to come out with a profit. I doubt you'd be hearing so much push back against tanks if infantry could make isk fighting them. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Snagman 313 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 249	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:30:00 - [98] - Quote Proof or names that you helped redline a 6 man HAV squad or it didn't happen Takahiro, remember you're the one trying to prove to us that AV is working as intended from a Tankers point of view. [/quote] I cant remember who i killed from 12hrs ago Also they were a 4+man, not sure about 6 but we stopped them bringing in tanks into the field and instead they went rail This AV thing was more for me rarther than AV, i have AV and i wanted to see how bad it was so did a little bit of a challenge which is ongoing and i happen to stick it on the forums and annoy ppl [/quote] So you're not trying to prove that AV is viable even though your a tanker and a HAV nerf is incoming? I would have though that it might have been in your interest to try and show the AV and infantry community how to tackle tanks for a reasonable profit/loss margin so that any incoming nerf might be somewhat mitigated. I should not be terribly surprised at this really Snake but honestly there are some good Tankers out there really trying to be civil about this and looking for a solution, I see you're just as bad as you were in the Missile tank crisis. I'll fall back to my first post. "Move along guys nothing to see here!!! Just a Tanker trying to say AV is fine, get back to work calling for an HAV nerf" Closed Beta AV veteran I drink because I play Dust
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2167	Posted - 2014.01.09 13:33:00 - [99] - Quote So onto the 3rd night of AV 1st match we come across our very own forum critic - Monkey MAC Now we were mostly infantry at the time with a MLT tank roaming about and after spawn camping his uplink and killing him several times he decided to bring out his own MLT tank which he quickly lost to a combination of a tank and also proto FGs, i think it was a blaster sica, didnt see him in a tank after that or even for the rest of the game tbh 2nd match We got redlined hard in FW, i think we was fighting for the state but more like dying, got 2 kills on maddys and an assist on a gunlogi, was mostly taking out the turrets at 1st and then driving around to get into good positions Then we had a few quiet matches, those which did use tanks did so mainly from the redline Then the big match, we had a domo with 6 tanks on our side and judges DS so when we queued up next round of domo we expected the same teams and we got them except we were against judges DS and unholy legion of darkstar tank crew aswell, i only recognized DELBOY as there main tank users a gunlogi with missiles I got an assist on judges DS, he targeted and chased after 1 of our tanks, i rolled up in a LAV and distracted him enough he aimed at me, got a solid hit on his DS with my breach and then he got shot down by rail Also the 3 tanks were rolling around as a convoy quite a bit, made it hard to chase down and hit but got 3 more kill assists, really should have 2 tank kills tbh but my dodgy aiming at 100% sensitivity made me jerk it about too much so i missed a couple of killing blows, they did keep brining out tanks but we did keep chasing them away and killing them, infantry wise we got hammered anyways but no more assista that i know of because no WP were rewarded when it died but i did get a few more hits on target I lost 1 proto suit when i stayed around to get a maddy kill, i did get a fair few assists and if my aiming was any better i would have had a couple more kills So ISK wise im still up for destroying vehicles, my KDR verses vehicles is up, WLR for matches is so-so but i am finding the map/mode can make it so much more easier or harder I am also using the Proto breach FG alot more and tbh i do like it when compared to the AFG, sometimes with AFG you hit them then boom a hardener goes on but sometimes you can hit them with the breach and you have taken off most of the tank so when a hardener does go on its not as effective, 2 breaches generally alpha everything and even one just creames a shield tank with no hardeners and even if it has 1 on 2 shots will still take its shield off and the LAV is a valuable asset to have and is a must in my view and but is also a must for my AV playstyle Intelligence is OP
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1521	Posted - 2014.01.09 15:35:00 - [100] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So onto the 3rd night of AV 1st match we come across our very own forum critic - Monkey MAC Now we were mostly infantry at the time with a MLT tank roaming about and after spawn camping his uplink and killing him several times he decided to bring out his own MLT tank which he quickly lost to a combination of a tank and also proto FGs, i think it was a blaster sica, didnt see him in a tank after that or even for the rest of the game tbh 2nd match We got redlined hard in FW, i think we was fighting for the state but more like dying, got 2 kills on maddys and an assist on a gunlogi, was mostly taking out the turrets at 1st and then driving around to get into good positions Then we had a few quiet matches, those which did use tanks did so mainly from the redline Then the big match, we had a domo with 6 tanks on our side and judges DS so when we queued up next round of domo we expected the same teams and we got them except we were against judges DS and unholy legion of darkstar tank crew aswell, i only recognized DELBOY as there main tank users a gunlogi with missiles I got an assist on judges DS, he targeted and chased after 1 of our tanks, i rolled up in a LAV and distracted him enough he aimed at me, got a solid hit on his DS with my breach and then he got shot down by rail Also the 3 tanks were rolling around as a convoy quite a bit, made it hard to chase down and hit but got 3 more kill assists, really should have 2 tank kills tbh but my dodgy aiming at 100% sensitivity made me jerk it about too much so i missed a couple of killing blows, they did keep brining out tanks but we did keep chasing them away and killing them, infantry wise we got hammered anyways but no more assista that i know of because no WP were rewarded when it died but i did get a few more hits on target I lost 1 proto suit when i stayed around to get a maddy kill, i did get a fair few assists and if my aiming was any better i would have had a couple more kills So ISK wise im still up for destroying vehicles, my KDR verses vehicles is up, WLR for matches is so-so but i am finding the map/mode can make it so much more easier or harder I am also using the Proto breach FG alot more and tbh i do like it when compared to the AFG, sometimes with AFG you hit them then boom a hardener goes on but sometimes you can hit them with the breach and you have taken off most of the tank so when a hardener does go on its not as effective, 2 breaches generally alpha everything and even one just creames a shield tank with no hardeners and even if it has 1 on 2 shots will still take its shield off and the LAV is a valuable asset to have and is a must in my view and but is also a must for my AV playstyle After the tank got me I deployed a rail sica and had a scrum down with your friend "tanking is easy mode" we had a couple of good fights although he didn't like me jumping out my tank before it blew up. Although as I explained in reply to your emails, you had to use a tank, that's not AV. Do you not believe that onebfight would have gone differently had your tank not been there? If you're tank had not been there your forge guns would have stripped my shields, I would have then had at least 2.5 seconds to calmly activate my hardner and shield booster and the whole thing would have gone the other way. You also neglect to mention that uplink you were camping, when I turned up in that tank with 2-3 mlt infantry you were roasted in your proto suits despite the fact that, I think I missed every shot. Those mlt should have been a walk in the park. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2172	Posted - 2014.01.09 15:40:00 - [101] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So onto the 3rd night of AV 1st match we come across our very own forum critic - Monkey MAC Now we were mostly infantry at the time with a MLT tank roaming about and after spawn camping his uplink and killing him several times he decided to bring out his own MLT tank which he quickly lost to a combination of a tank and also proto FGs, i think it was a blaster sica, didnt see him in a tank after that or even for the rest of the game tbh 2nd match We got redlined hard in FW, i think we was fighting for the state but more like dying, got 2 kills on maddys and an assist on a gunlogi, was mostly taking out the turrets at 1st and then driving around to get into good positions Then we had a few quiet matches, those which did use tanks did so mainly from the redline Then the big match, we had a domo with 6 tanks on our side and judges DS so when we queued up next round of domo we expected the same teams and we got them except we were against judges DS and unholy legion of darkstar tank crew aswell, i only recognized DELBOY as there main tank users a gunlogi with missiles I got an assist on judges DS, he targeted and chased after 1 of our tanks, i rolled up in a LAV and distracted him enough he aimed at me, got a solid hit on his DS with my breach and then he got shot down by rail Also the 3 tanks were rolling around as a convoy quite a bit, made it hard to chase down and hit but got 3 more kill assists, really should have 2 tank kills tbh but my dodgy aiming at 100% sensitivity made me jerk it about too much so i missed a couple of killing blows, they did keep brining out tanks but we did keep chasing them away and killing them, infantry wise we got hammered anyways but no more assista that i know of because no WP were rewarded when it died but i did get a few more hits on target I lost 1 proto suit when i stayed around to get a maddy kill, i did get a fair few assists and if my aiming was any better i would have had a couple more kills So ISK wise im still up for destroying vehicles, my KDR verses vehicles is up, WLR for matches is so-so but i am finding the map/mode can make it so much more easier or harder I am also using the Proto breach FG alot more and tbh i do like it when compared to the AFG, sometimes with AFG you hit them then boom a hardener goes on but sometimes you can hit them with the breach and you have taken off most of the tank so when a hardener does go on its not as effective, 2 breaches generally alpha everything and even one just creames a shield tank with no hardeners and even if it has 1 on 2 shots will still take its shield off and the LAV is a valuable asset to have and is a must in my view and but is also a must for my AV playstyle After the tank got me I deployed a rail sica and had a scrum down with your friend "tanking is easy mode" we had a couple of good fights although he didn't like me jumping out my tank before it blew up. Although as I explained in reply to your emails, you had to use a tank, that's not AV. Do you not believe that onebfight would have gone differently had your tank not been there? If you're tank had not been there your forge guns would have stripped my shields, I would have then had at least 2.5 seconds to calmly activate my hardner and shield booster and the whole thing would have gone the other way. You also neglect to mention that uplink you were camping, when I turned up in that tank with 2-3 mlt infantry you were roasted in your proto suits despite the fact that, I think I missed every shot. Those mlt should have been a walk in the park. We didnt have to use a tank but it was already out and with 'tanking being so easy' you really should have been able to beat it, our FG would have stripped you down anways and they did, you drove yourself into a corner put yourself into that position, AV played a very big part in kiling your tank and you died to AV Also i know i wasnt in a proto suit, i was in lolcommando and having fun and yes you did miss every shot Intelligence is OP
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 CRONOS. 168	Posted - 2014.01.09 15:45:00 - [102] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So onto the 3rd night of AV 1st match we come across our very own forum critic - Monkey MAC Now we were mostly infantry at the time with a MLT tank roaming about and after spawn camping his uplink and killing him several times he decided to bring out his own MLT tank which he quickly lost to a combination of a tank and also proto FGs, i think it was a blaster sica, didnt see him in a tank after that or even for the rest of the game tbh 2nd match We got redlined hard in FW, i think we was fighting for the state but more like dying, got 2 kills on maddys and an assist on a gunlogi, was mostly taking out the turrets at 1st and then driving around to get into good positions Then we had a few quiet matches, those which did use tanks did so mainly from the redline Then the big match, we had a domo with 6 tanks on our side and judges DS so when we queued up next round of domo we expected the same teams and we got them except we were against judges DS and unholy legion of darkstar tank crew aswell, i only recognized DELBOY as there main tank users a gunlogi with missiles I got an assist on judges DS, he targeted and chased after 1 of our tanks, i rolled up in a LAV and distracted him enough he aimed at me, got a solid hit on his DS with my breach and then he got shot down by rail Also the 3 tanks were rolling around as a convoy quite a bit, made it hard to chase down and hit but got 3 more kill assists, really should have 2 tank kills tbh but my dodgy aiming at 100% sensitivity made me jerk it about too much so i missed a couple of killing blows, they did keep brining out tanks but we did keep chasing them away and killing them, infantry wise we got hammered anyways but no more assista that i know of because no WP were rewarded when it died but i did get a few more hits on target I lost 1 proto suit when i stayed around to get a maddy kill, i did get a fair few assists and if my aiming was any better i would have had a couple more kills So ISK wise im still up for destroying vehicles, my KDR verses vehicles is up, WLR for matches is so-so but i am finding the map/mode can make it so much more easier or harder I am also using the Proto breach FG alot more and tbh i do like it when compared to the AFG, sometimes with AFG you hit them then boom a hardener goes on but sometimes you can hit them with the breach and you have taken off most of the tank so when a hardener does go on its not as effective, 2 breaches generally alpha everything and even one just creames a shield tank with no hardeners and even if it has 1 on 2 shots will still take its shield off and the LAV is a valuable asset to have and is a must in my view and but is also a must for my AV playstyle something in this is wrong..... Support The DUST514 TREEEEEEESSS
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1521	Posted - 2014.01.09 15:46:00 - [103] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So onto the 3rd night of AV 1st match we come across our very own forum critic - Monkey MAC Now we were mostly infantry at the time with a MLT tank roaming about and after spawn camping his uplink and killing him several times he decided to bring out his own MLT tank which he quickly lost to a combination of a tank and also proto FGs, i think it was a blaster sica, didnt see him in a tank after that or even for the rest of the game tbh 2nd match We got redlined hard in FW, i think we was fighting for the state but more like dying, got 2 kills on maddys and an assist on a gunlogi, was mostly taking out the turrets at 1st and then driving around to get into good positions Then we had a few quiet matches, those which did use tanks did so mainly from the redline Then the big match, we had a domo with 6 tanks on our side and judges DS so when we queued up next round of domo we expected the same teams and we got them except we were against judges DS and unholy legion of darkstar tank crew aswell, i only recognized DELBOY as there main tank users a gunlogi with missiles I got an assist on judges DS, he targeted and chased after 1 of our tanks, i rolled up in a LAV and distracted him enough he aimed at me, got a solid hit on his DS with my breach and then he got shot down by rail Also the 3 tanks were rolling around as a convoy quite a bit, made it hard to chase down and hit but got 3 more kill assists, really should have 2 tank kills tbh but my dodgy aiming at 100% sensitivity made me jerk it about too much so i missed a couple of killing blows, they did keep brining out tanks but we did keep chasing them away and killing them, infantry wise we got hammered anyways but no more assista that i know of because no WP were rewarded when it died but i did get a few more hits on target I lost 1 proto suit when i stayed around to get a maddy kill, i did get a fair few assists and if my aiming was any better i would have had a couple more kills So ISK wise im still up for destroying vehicles, my KDR verses vehicles is up, WLR for matches is so-so but i am finding the map/mode can make it so much more easier or harder I am also using the Proto breach FG alot more and tbh i do like it when compared to the AFG, sometimes with AFG you hit them then boom a hardener goes on but sometimes you can hit them with the breach and you have taken off most of the tank so when a hardener does go on its not as effective, 2 breaches generally alpha everything and even one just creames a shield tank with no hardeners and even if it has 1 on 2 shots will still take its shield off and the LAV is a valuable asset to have and is a must in my view and but is also a must for my AV playstyle After the tank got me I deployed a rail sica and had a scrum down with your friend "tanking is easy mode" we had a couple of good fights although he didn't like me jumping out my tank before it blew up. Although as I explained in reply to your emails, you had to use a tank, that's not AV. Do you not believe that onebfight would have gone differently had your tank not been there? If you're tank had not been there your forge guns would have stripped my shields, I would have then had at least 2.5 seconds to calmly activate my hardner and shield booster and the whole thing would have gone the other way. You also neglect to mention that uplink you were camping, when I turned up in that tank with 2-3 mlt infantry you were roasted in your proto suits despite the fact that, I think I missed every shot. Those mlt should have been a walk in the park. We didnt have to use a tank but it was already out and with 'tanking being so easy' you really should have been able to beat it, our FG would have stripped you down anways and they did, you drove yourself into a corner put yourself into that position, AV played a very big part in kiling your tank and you died to AV Also i know i wasnt in a proto suit, i was in lolcommando and having fun and yes you did miss every shot Wouldn't suprise me that was my first ever blaster turret, never used those before. You were in a commando you may have been advanced but I remember Spkrs Suit clearly a Tanked out Proto Gallante Logi, with a named Proto Assault Rifle, you got bull rushed by a few miltia and died in a heartbeat, despite the fact you had been succesfully holding them off before. AV did play a part in killing me, but not much. You did the armour damage to a Shield based tank, the rail tank took care of the shields for you, that's ultimately why I died. But yeah I forgot to mention I was stuck as well thank you for that. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1659	Posted - 2014.01.09 18:48:00 - [104] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So onto the 3rd night of AV 1st match we come across our very own forum critic - Monkey MAC Now we were mostly infantry at the time with a MLT tank roaming about and after spawn camping his uplink and killing him several times he decided to bring out his own MLT tank which he quickly lost to a combination of a tank and also proto FGs, i think it was a blaster sica, didnt see him in a tank after that or even for the rest of the game tbh 2nd match We got redlined hard in FW, i think we was fighting for the state but more like dying, got 2 kills on maddys and an assist on a gunlogi, was mostly taking out the turrets at 1st and then driving around to get into good positions Then we had a few quiet matches, those which did use tanks did so mainly from the redline Then the big match, we had a domo with 6 tanks on our side and judges DS so when we queued up next round of domo we expected the same teams and we got them except we were against judges DS and unholy legion of darkstar tank crew aswell, i only recognized DELBOY as there main tank users a gunlogi with missiles I got an assist on judges DS, he targeted and chased after 1 of our tanks, i rolled up in a LAV and distracted him enough he aimed at me, got a solid hit on his DS with my breach and then he got shot down by rail Also the 3 tanks were rolling around as a convoy quite a bit, made it hard to chase down and hit but got 3 more kill assists, really should have 2 tank kills tbh but my dodgy aiming at 100% sensitivity made me jerk it about too much so i missed a couple of killing blows, they did keep brining out tanks but we did keep chasing them away and killing them, infantry wise we got hammered anyways but no more assista that i know of because no WP were rewarded when it died but i did get a few more hits on target I lost 1 proto suit when i stayed around to get a maddy kill, i did get a fair few assists and if my aiming was any better i would have had a couple more kills So ISK wise im still up for destroying vehicles, my KDR verses vehicles is up, WLR for matches is so-so but i am finding the map/mode can make it so much more easier or harder I am also using the Proto breach FG alot more and tbh i do like it when compared to the AFG, sometimes with AFG you hit them then boom a hardener goes on but sometimes you can hit them with the breach and you have taken off most of the tank so when a hardener does go on its not as effective, 2 breaches generally alpha everything and even one just creames a shield tank with no hardeners and even if it has 1 on 2 shots will still take its shield off and the LAV is a valuable asset to have and is a must in my view and but is also a must for my AV playstyle After the tank got me I deployed a rail sica and had a scrum down with your friend "tanking is easy mode" we had a couple of good fights although he didn't like me jumping out my tank before it blew up. Although as I explained in reply to your emails, you had to use a tank, that's not AV. Do you not believe that onebfight would have gone differently had your tank not been there? If you're tank had not been there your forge guns would have stripped my shields, I would have then had at least 2.5 seconds to calmly activate my hardner and shield booster and the whole thing would have gone the other way. You also neglect to mention that uplink you were camping, when I turned up in that tank with 2-3 mlt infantry you were roasted in your proto suits despite the fact that, I think I missed every shot. Those mlt should have been a walk in the park. We didnt have to use a tank but it was already out and with 'tanking being so easy' you really should have been able to beat it, our FG would have stripped you down anways and they did, you drove yourself into a corner put yourself into that position, AV played a very big part in kiling your tank and you died to AV Also i know i wasnt in a proto suit, i was in lolcommando and having fun and yes you did miss every shot Wouldn't suprise me that was my first ever blaster turret, never used those before. You were in a commando you may have been advanced but I remember Spkrs Suit clearly a Tanked out Proto Gallante Logi, with a named Proto Assault Rifle, you got bull rushed by a few miltia and died in a heartbeat, despite the fact you had been succesfully holding them off before. AV did play a part in killing me, but not much. You did the armour damage to a Shield based tank, the rail tank took care of the shields for you, that's ultimately why I died. But yeah I forgot to mention I was stuck as well thank you for that. Aurum suit that I wanted to waste, with Aurum modules that I wanted to waste, with some Killswitch rifles that I wanted to waste. Yeah, real tanked out when Gal Logi is at 3 and armor plating and repairing are both only at 3. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1659	Posted - 2014.01.09 18:49:00 - [105] - Quote See, the simple fact is that we used teamwork to destroy you. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1813	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:02:00 - [106] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: See, the simple fact is that we used teamwork to destroy you. Sounds like you guys had fun, but more importantly took an initiative to get the job done. Teamwork and intelligence is OP. So about those vehicle locks...
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3249	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:14:00 - [107] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: See, the simple fact is that we used teamwork to destroy you. Sounds like you guys had fun, but more importantly took an initiative to get the job done. Teamwork and intelligence is OP. Sadly that would imply that my Sicas & Somas need a buff. CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Righteous Rage BIG BAD W0LVES 28	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:17:00 - [108] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: See, the simple fact is that we used teamwork to destroy you. Sounds like you guys had fun, but more importantly took an initiative to get the job done. Teamwork and intelligence is OP. Tankers like this guy and AP grasshopper were the funnest to kill. It took teamwork before 1.7. "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 742	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:35:00 - [109] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: See, the simple fact is that we used teamwork to destroy you. Sounds like you guys had fun, but more importantly took an initiative to get the job done. Teamwork and intelligence is OP. It's nice to see one tanker supporting another tankers Idea and trying to imply and prove that Running around in an LAV with 2 heavies and forge guns is the Viable way to counter tanks LOL * Don't have a Heavy suit * Dont hae SP for a heavy suit (Even if i did, wouldn;t put it in a heavy suit) * Can't carry a forge gun * Don't have SP to get Forge guns * Can't call in LAV with 4-5 tanks running around * Good luck Calling in LAV's in an Ambush Bottom line : lolBalance
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1660	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:36:00 - [110] - Quote Atiim wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: See, the simple fact is that we used teamwork to destroy you. Sounds like you guys had fun, but more importantly took an initiative to get the job done. Teamwork and intelligence is OP. Sadly that would imply that my Sicas & Somas need a buff. No, your brain needs a buff. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1660	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:38:00 - [111] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: See, the simple fact is that we used teamwork to destroy you. Sounds like you guys had fun, but more importantly took an initiative to get the job done. Teamwork and intelligence is OP. It's nice to see one tanker supporting another tankers Idea and trying to imply and prove that Running around in an LAV with 2 heavies and forge guns is the Viable way to counter tanks LOL * Don't have a Heavy suit * Dont hae SP for a heavy suit (Even if i did, wouldn;t put it in a heavy suit) * Can't carry a forge gun * Don't have SP to get Forge guns * Can't call in LAV with 4-5 tanks running around * Good luck Calling in LAV's in an Ambush Bottom line : lolBalance So simply because you don't have SP spread out, that means the game is unbalanced? Because of your own lack of planning and foresight, it's ruined? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3252	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:42:00 - [112] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: So simply because you don't have SP spread out, that means the game is unbalanced? Because of your own lack of planning and foresight, it's ruined? Can I please have a day without bashing yet another Spkr4TheDead post? Seriously. Why do they keep sending this guy? Haven't I beat this one enough already? CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3252	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:46:00 - [113] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: No, your brain needs a buff. It's ranked higher than yours, and bias free. Also... CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1524	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:59:00 - [114] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: See, the simple fact is that we used teamwork to destroy you. Sounds like you guys had fun, but more importantly took an initiative to get the job done. Teamwork and intelligence is OP. It's nice to see one tanker supporting another tankers Idea and trying to imply and prove that Running around in an LAV with 2 heavies and forge guns is the Viable way to counter tanks LOL * Don't have a Heavy suit * Dont hae SP for a heavy suit (Even if i did, wouldn;t put it in a heavy suit) * Can't carry a forge gun * Don't have SP to get Forge guns * Can't call in LAV with 4-5 tanks running around * Good luck Calling in LAV's in an Ambush Bottom line : lolBalance The truth is the point they are happy about is that it took 2 Proto FG & 1 Rail Tank to take out a stuck and unhardened shield tank, that disgraceful, a SINGLE Adv Forge Gun should have allowed me to survive with but a SHRED of health. Instead it took teamwork, a tank and luck to take me out. I was stuck between a rock and a hard place literaly, I should have been like fish in a barrel for just one of you. Or are you happy with the balance that 1 Tank > 2 FG 1 Tank = 2 FG + 1 Tank 1 Tank = 1 Tank Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1813	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:49:00 - [115] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: See, the simple fact is that we used teamwork to destroy you. Sounds like you guys had fun, but more importantly took an initiative to get the job done. Teamwork and intelligence is OP. It's nice to see one tanker supporting another tankers Idea and trying to imply and prove that Running around in an LAV with 2 heavies and forge guns is the Viable way to counter tanks LOL * Don't have a Heavy suit * Dont hae SP for a heavy suit (Even if i did, wouldn;t put it in a heavy suit) * Can't carry a forge gun * Don't have SP to get Forge guns * Can't call in LAV with 4-5 tanks running around * Good luck Calling in LAV's in an Ambush Bottom line : lolBalance Even one guy in a LAV with a forge gun that knows how to fire off his shots and outsmart the tank can solo tanks. An advanced forge is plenty. Swarms are meant for armor tanks and they hurt them just fine. Forge also favors armor, slightly, but does ok vs. shield. The high alpha of forges wreck tanks, not quite like rails but it is supposed to be that way. So about those vehicle locks...
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2179	Posted - 2014.01.10 10:27:00 - [116] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: NAV HIV wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: See, the simple fact is that we used teamwork to destroy you. Sounds like you guys had fun, but more importantly took an initiative to get the job done. Teamwork and intelligence is OP. It's nice to see one tanker supporting another tankers Idea and trying to imply and prove that Running around in an LAV with 2 heavies and forge guns is the Viable way to counter tanks LOL * Don't have a Heavy suit * Dont hae SP for a heavy suit (Even if i did, wouldn;t put it in a heavy suit) * Can't carry a forge gun * Don't have SP to get Forge guns * Can't call in LAV with 4-5 tanks running around * Good luck Calling in LAV's in an Ambush Bottom line : lolBalance The truth is the point they are happy about is that it took 2 Proto FG & 1 Rail Tank to take out a stuck and unhardened shield tank, that disgraceful, a SINGLE Adv Forge Gun should have allowed me to survive with but a SHRED of health. Instead it took teamwork, a tank and luck to take me out. I was stuck between a rock and a hard place literaly, I should have been like fish in a barrel for just one of you. Or are you happy with the balance that 1 Tank > 2 FG 1 Tank = 2 FG + 1 Tank 1 Tank = 1 Tank Even if the rail tank wasnt there 2 FG would have took you out and you got stuck because you have bad positioning and no idea what you were doing Also 1 tank = 2 FG or even just 1 FG if they know what they are doing As for NIV you dont have a FG/heavy because you dont want it, you have limited yourself as a consequence Intelligence is OP
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 19	Posted - 2014.01.10 11:12:00 - [117] - Quote So basicly, in order to be effective at av, you have to grind out 4 mil so, find another guy that has ground out that much, squad up, run around the map trying to get the drop on tanks, risk your 170k proto suit, +20k mlt lav, hope they don't see you and pop their hardeners, oh and then have to chase them down as they run away at the same speed as a lav, to kill one tank. Meanwhile, to go 20 and 0 vs infantry you need a 60k mlt tank. Well its all clear now, thanks. Now please go explain to all the newberries that they only need to grind out 3 months or so to be able to kill a tank, and then only if they are lucky enough to have a squad mate or someone else on the team equally dedicated to AV. Also please explain to them how, since they have to spend 3 months dumping points into AV, they will be useless against infantry, and merely a nuisance to tanks till they happen to get all these things together. And you know, if god forbid we don't know any other dedicated AV players, well your ****. Its easy to sit there, talking about how tanks are easy to kill, when its with a toon that probably got half its sp from being on passive for 6 months, and being fed risk from your tanker account, and you didn't run against any tank squads from what I'm seeing. Just random people for the most part, and no ambushes at that. Ambush is where the tank stomp shines BC the maps are smaller. So you didn't run against more then 3 tanks? Lucky you, hell my lil 3k remote jihadist can run up to a tank and do the same thing you did if their not coordinated and supported by infantry. Hell I even got lucky and blew up a proto nyansan tank last night. When they were running 3 proto tanks because they got cocky and spread out from each other. So tell me how AV isn't nerfed when I can do the same thing as you with less sp invested, at lower isk risk, and achieve similar results? I can kill just about any mlt out there with some ninja remotes, but AV can't compete with that tactic unless they invest in proto gear? Its a fucken militia tank and the only cure is proto gear, remotes, half your team running AV, or a jihad jeep? How is that even remotely fair? And that's for bloody militia tanks, any advance tanks necessitate dedicated AV and a huge investment ofmanpower because they rarely roll without 2 other ssimilarly equipped tanks supporting them. Go run some ambushes with your lav and Buddy and tell me now you fare. Or even one match against a full tanker squad. And post ***** vids because I cant run more then 5 doms without running into at leas one match with 3 or more tanks squaded up.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1532	Posted - 2014.01.10 11:34:00 - [118] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: NAV HIV wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: See, the simple fact is that we used teamwork to destroy you. Sounds like you guys had fun, but more importantly took an initiative to get the job done. Teamwork and intelligence is OP. It's nice to see one tanker supporting another tankers Idea and trying to imply and prove that Running around in an LAV with 2 heavies and forge guns is the Viable way to counter tanks LOL * Don't have a Heavy suit * Dont hae SP for a heavy suit (Even if i did, wouldn;t put it in a heavy suit) * Can't carry a forge gun * Don't have SP to get Forge guns * Can't call in LAV with 4-5 tanks running around * Good luck Calling in LAV's in an Ambush Bottom line : lolBalance The truth is the point they are happy about is that it took 2 Proto FG & 1 Rail Tank to take out a stuck and unhardened shield tank, that disgraceful, a SINGLE Adv Forge Gun should have allowed me to survive with but a SHRED of health. Instead it took teamwork, a tank and luck to take me out. I was stuck between a rock and a hard place literaly, I should have been like fish in a barrel for just one of you. Or are you happy with the balance that 1 Tank > 2 FG 1 Tank = 2 FG + 1 Tank 1 Tank = 1 Tank Even if the rail tank wasnt there 2 FG would have took you out and you got stuck because you have bad positioning and no idea what you were doing Also 1 tank = 2 FG or even just 1 FG if they know what they are doing As for NIV you dont have a FG/heavy because you dont want it, you have limited yourself as a consequence Takihiro, it took a tank shot followed by 2 almost simultaneous FG hits, tk achieve the same thing with just FG would have taken 4 shots, now unless you used 4 staggered shots from 3 Forge Guns, you wouldn't have killed me before I activated my hardners. Or are you sayimg its perfectly reasonable to go out find another 2 pepole with a forge gun, then have to synchronise shots to kill a stuck, unhardned tank. You have only served to prove how bad AV is, when it took 2 Protoforge AND a rail tank. It wouldn't have taken just the Forge Guns, Takio we both know that. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2179	Posted - 2014.01.10 11:38:00 - [119] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Takihiro, it took a tank shot followed by 2 almost simultaneous FG hits, tk achieve the same thing with just FG would have taken 4 shots, now unless you used 4 staggered shots from 3 Forge Guns, you wouldn't have killed me before I activated my hardners. Or are you sayimg its perfectly reasonable to go out find another 2 pepole with a forge gun, then have to synchronise shots to kill a stuck, unhardned tank. You have only served to prove how bad AV is, when it took 2 Protoforge AND a rail tank. It wouldn't have taken just the Forge Guns, Takio we both know that. 2 FG = Tank Ive done it 1 FG = Tank = Hard to do but can be done Intelligence is OP
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1532	Posted - 2014.01.10 11:58:00 - [120] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takihiro, it took a tank shot followed by 2 almost simultaneous FG hits, tk achieve the same thing with just FG would have taken 4 shots, now unless you used 4 staggered shots from 3 Forge Guns, you wouldn't have killed me before I activated my hardners. Or are you sayimg its perfectly reasonable to go out find another 2 pepole with a forge gun, then have to synchronise shots to kill a stuck, unhardned tank. You have only served to prove how bad AV is, when it took 2 Protoforge AND a rail tank. It wouldn't have taken just the Forge Guns, Takio we both know that. 2 FG = Tank Ive done it 1 FG = Tank = Hard to do but can be done Did you? Really? Was it standing still? was it empty? No, I know it was limping back to the redline after a tank battle wasn't it. Despite, being the one shot at seeing my health go down your still trying to tell me I'm wrong. But the point your missing even then is that in your land of puppy dogs and rainbows its still 2 PROTO against a MLT tank, with MLT Modules. So what happens when you get a standard tank with proto modules? Hmm, how many PROTO FG is that 5, 6? Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2179	Posted - 2014.01.10 12:30:00 - [121] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takihiro, it took a tank shot followed by 2 almost simultaneous FG hits, tk achieve the same thing with just FG would have taken 4 shots, now unless you used 4 staggered shots from 3 Forge Guns, you wouldn't have killed me before I activated my hardners. Or are you sayimg its perfectly reasonable to go out find another 2 pepole with a forge gun, then have to synchronise shots to kill a stuck, unhardned tank. You have only served to prove how bad AV is, when it took 2 Protoforge AND a rail tank. It wouldn't have taken just the Forge Guns, Takio we both know that. 2 FG = Tank Ive done it 1 FG = Tank = Hard to do but can be done Did you? Really? Was it standing still? was it empty? No, I know it was limping back to the redline after a tank battle wasn't it. Despite, being the one shot at seeing my health go down your still trying to tell me I'm wrong. But the point your missing even then is that in your land of puppy dogs and rainbows its still 2 PROTO against a MLT tank, with MLT Modules. So what happens when you get a standard tank with proto modules? Hmm, how many PROTO FG is that 5, 6? STD tank with 1 hardener on took 6shots with a proto AFG Intelligence is OP
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1532	Posted - 2014.01.10 12:33:00 - [122] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takihiro, it took a tank shot followed by 2 almost simultaneous FG hits, tk achieve the same thing with just FG would have taken 4 shots, now unless you used 4 staggered shots from 3 Forge Guns, you wouldn't have killed me before I activated my hardners. Or are you sayimg its perfectly reasonable to go out find another 2 pepole with a forge gun, then have to synchronise shots to kill a stuck, unhardned tank. You have only served to prove how bad AV is, when it took 2 Protoforge AND a rail tank. It wouldn't have taken just the Forge Guns, Takio we both know that. 2 FG = Tank Ive done it 1 FG = Tank = Hard to do but can be done Did you? Really? Was it standing still? was it empty? No, I know it was limping back to the redline after a tank battle wasn't it. Despite, being the one shot at seeing my health go down your still trying to tell me I'm wrong. But the point your missing even then is that in your land of puppy dogs and rainbows its still 2 PROTO against a MLT tank, with MLT Modules. So what happens when you get a standard tank with proto modules? Hmm, how many PROTO FG is that 5, 6? STD tank with 1 hardener on took 6shots with a proto AFG 6 shots? And exactly how long did it take to get out said 6 shots? And did said tank use any healing like shield boosters or armour reps was it just sat in the middle of a field, was it empty. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2180	Posted - 2014.01.10 13:16:00 - [123] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takihiro, it took a tank shot followed by 2 almost simultaneous FG hits, tk achieve the same thing with just FG would have taken 4 shots, now unless you used 4 staggered shots from 3 Forge Guns, you wouldn't have killed me before I activated my hardners. Or are you sayimg its perfectly reasonable to go out find another 2 pepole with a forge gun, then have to synchronise shots to kill a stuck, unhardned tank. You have only served to prove how bad AV is, when it took 2 Protoforge AND a rail tank. It wouldn't have taken just the Forge Guns, Takio we both know that. 2 FG = Tank Ive done it 1 FG = Tank = Hard to do but can be done Did you? Really? Was it standing still? was it empty? No, I know it was limping back to the redline after a tank battle wasn't it. Despite, being the one shot at seeing my health go down your still trying to tell me I'm wrong. But the point your missing even then is that in your land of puppy dogs and rainbows its still 2 PROTO against a MLT tank, with MLT Modules. So what happens when you get a standard tank with proto modules? Hmm, how many PROTO FG is that 5, 6? STD tank with 1 hardener on took 6shots with a proto AFG 6 shots? And exactly how long did it take to get out said 6 shots? And did said tank use any healing like shield boosters or armour reps was it just sat in the middle of a field, was it empty. It attempted to run away, but we had it in a position where he didnt know where we was and no matter where he went we would have killed it before it got away Shield tank so no armor reps If we catch a tank cold we can strip its shield and some armor in 2 shots Intelligence is OP
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1536	Posted - 2014.01.10 13:20:00 - [124] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: 2 FG = Tank Ive done it 1 FG = Tank = Hard to do but can be done Did you? Really? Was it standing still? was it empty? No, I know it was limping back to the redline after a tank battle wasn't it. Despite, being the one shot at seeing my health go down your still trying to tell me I'm wrong. But the point your missing even then is that in your land of puppy dogs and rainbows its still 2 PROTO against a MLT tank, with MLT Modules. So what happens when you get a standard tank with proto modules? Hmm, how many PROTO FG is that 5, 6? STD tank with 1 hardener on took 6shots with a proto AFG 6 shots? And exactly how long did it take to get out said 6 shots? And did said tank use any healing like shield boosters or armour reps was it just sat in the middle of a field, was it empty. It attempted to run away, but we had it in a position where he didnt know where we was and no matter where he went we would have killed it before it got away Shield tank so no armor reps If we catch a tank cold we can strip its shield and some armor in 2 shots Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you? Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2180	Posted - 2014.01.10 13:26:00 - [125] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you? So far they havnt really come for me yet Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me I dont just park in front of them like so many do Intelligence is OP
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1536	Posted - 2014.01.10 13:30:00 - [126] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you? So far they havnt really come for me yet Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me I dont just park in front of them like so many do Come back to me when they do finally come for you, when you are engaging them for defense not just for the hell of it. However I would like to point out that its pretty much you and spkr left. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2180	Posted - 2014.01.10 13:39:00 - [127] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you? So far they havnt really come for me yet Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me I dont just park in front of them like so many do Come back to me when they do finally come for you, when you are engaging them for defense not just for the hell of it. However I would like to point out that its pretty much you and spkr left. So because i play smart and engage on my terms is not valid? lolgo figure Intelligence is OP
Infine Sentinel Better Hide R Die 625	Posted - 2014.01.10 13:42:00 - [128] - Quote Pie...
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1538	Posted - 2014.01.10 15:12:00 - [129] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you? So far they havnt really come for me yet Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me I dont just park in front of them like so many do Come back to me when they do finally come for you, when you are engaging them for defense not just for the hell of it. However I would like to point out that its pretty much you and spkr left. So because i play smart and engage on my terms is not valid? lolgo figure What good is fighting on your terms, as you've described them to us. What about fighting tanks with AV where AV is needed. Unil then you can blow up as many mlt tanks as you like but you won't understand where the imbalance is coming from. This entire thread shows that. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2180	Posted - 2014.01.10 15:30:00 - [130] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you? So far they havnt really come for me yet Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me I dont just park in front of them like so many do Come back to me when they do finally come for you, when you are engaging them for defense not just for the hell of it. However I would like to point out that its pretty much you and spkr left. So because i play smart and engage on my terms is not valid? lolgo figure What good is fighting on your terms, as you've described them to us. What about fighting tanks with AV where AV is needed. Unil then you can blow up as many mlt tanks as you like but you won't understand where the imbalance is coming from. This entire thread shows that. Where AV is needed? So an example You mean where a tank is at a point laying into everyone with its hardeners on etc, well i can attack and push them off briefly and force them to use some mods and then a friendly tank/AV ambushes it or i could let the team get slaughtered and then attack when hes cooling down so i pop it and get rid of it until they call in another one or we can always use a friendly tank to push on the tank force it to use everything and if and when it retreats i also hit it or whatever example anyways Last time i checked a gunlogi/maddy is not mlt Also it requires infantry needs to do something, even if all the tanks are cleared of the field if infantry cant do infantry then we will lose anyways meaning that tanks are a non factor, meaning really we should let the tanks **** the terrible infantry so the game is over quicker lolpubs too i forgot, in pubs its random, in pubs its protostomp against acedemy players, in pubs its generally always stacked and matchmaking is broken Intelligence is OP

Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1539	Posted - 2014.01.10 15:39:00 - [131] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So far they havnt really come for me yet Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me I dont just park in front of them like so many do Come back to me when they do finally come for you, when you are engaging them for defense not just for the hell of it. However I would like to point out that its pretty much you and spkr left. So because i play smart and engage on my terms is not valid? lolgo figure What good is fighting on your terms, as you've described them to us. What about fighting tanks with AV where AV is needed. Unil then you can blow up as many mlt tanks as you like but you won't understand where the imbalance is coming from. This entire thread shows that. Where AV is needed? So an example You mean where a tank is at a point laying into everyone with its hardeners on etc, well i can attack and push them off briefly and force them to use some mods and then a friendly tank/AV ambushes it or i could let the team get slaughtered and then attack when hes cooling down so i pop it and get rid of it until they call in another one or we can always use a friendly tank to push on the tank force it to use everything and if and when it retreats i also hit it or whatever example anyways Last time i checked a gunlogi/maddy is not mlt Also it requires infantry needs to do something, even if all the tanks are cleared of the field if infantry cant do infantry then we will lose anyways meaning that tanks are a non factor, meaning really we should let the tanks ** the terrible infantry so the game is over quicker lolpubs too i forgot, in pubs its random, in pubs its protostomp against acedemy players, in pubs its generally always stacked and matchmaking is broken Infantry have a hard time defending from infantry when the is a *ing tank shooting at you, numerous of the medium sockets are open enough that infantry hiding from the tank can't deal with enemy infantry. Those dealing with Enemy infantry get shot by the tank. If you can successfully show me a video of holding off a tank assault at a point, with AV, then I will happily jump aboard your bandwagon. Tanks 514* I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1663	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:29:00 - [132] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Those dealing with Enemy infantry get shot by the tank. If you can successfully show me a video of holding off a tank assault at a point, with AV, then I will happily jump aboard your bandwagon. What, you think nobody can fight off a tank with any tool available? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 770	Posted - 2014.01.13 13:45:00 - [133] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: NAV HIV wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: See, the simple fact is that we used teamwork to destroy you. Sounds like you guys had fun, but more importantly took an initiative to get the job done. Teamwork and intelligence is OP. It's nice to see one tanker supporting another tankers Idea and trying to imply and prove that Running around in an LAV with 2 heavies and forge guns is the Viable way to counter tanks LOL * Don't have a Heavy suit * Dont hae SP for a heavy suit (Even if i did, wouldn;t put it in a heavy suit) * Can't carry a forge gun * Don't have SP to get Forge guns * Can't call in LAV with 4-5 tanks running around * Good luck Calling in LAV's in an Ambush Bottom line : lolBalance So simply because you don't have SP spread out, that means the game is unbalanced? Because of your own lack of planning and foresight, it's ruined? 34 mil SP+... * Don't like the Fat suit (Can't be bothered) * Specced into almost all the Light Weapons (No lasers: SO don't tell me i should use that to take out Sica/Gunlogi) * I'm a Medium Frame user and i specced into the AV weapons a medium frame user should use, With full proficiency So tell me how i should use the Swarm and AV nades... Spec into it and talk about it. I don't call anything OP or UP without using it first. All these Tank vs AV PR work, even you know how full of 5hit it is, when you are typing it. Allow medium Frame to use Forge Gun or STFU about FG being the Viable option... Up for that challenge?!
Righteous Rage BIG BAD W0LVES 46	Posted - 2014.01.13 14:04:00 - [134] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you? So far they havnt really come for me yet Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me I dont just park in front of them like so many do Come back to me when they do finally come for you, when you are engaging them for defense not just for the hell of it. However I would like to point out that its pretty much you and spkr left. So because i play smart and engage on my terms is not valid? lolgo figure defending your team or an objective is rarely on our terms. It must be dealt with swiftly and aggressively. "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:49:00 - [135] - Quote So far what I've read is that ambush is broke, AV won't work. Pub matches are broke, AV won't work. Tanks on an objective, AV won't work. But AV is fine.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3417	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:56:00 - [136] - Quote Another tanker is using the FORGE MASTER RACE ideal to justify how weak AV is. [/thread] Atiim (Wyrikomi Swarm Launcher) Tank Spammer Tank Spammer (Soma - MLT 80GJ Blaster) Atiim And this is why I drink.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2210	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:20:00 - [137] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: So far what I've read is that ambush is broke, AV won't work. Pub matches are broke, AV won't work. Tanks on an objective, AV won't work. But AV is fine. Ambush broke = Matchmaking broke AV wont work = AV does work Pub matches are broken = Matchmaking is broken AV wont work = AV does work Tanks on an objective = Tanks cant hack an objective AV wont work = AV does work AV is fine, yes it is Also FG is AV Intelligence is OP
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 774	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:37:00 - [138] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: So far what I've read is that ambush is broke, AV won't work. Pub matches are broke, AV won't work. Tanks on an objective, AV won't work. But AV is fine. Ambush broke = Matchmaking broke (all the lol Tankers) AV wont work = AV does work (Forge Guns for Light and Medium suits now!) Pub matches are broken = Matchmaking is broken (CCP) AV wont work = AV does work (The same way an Assaults Should be a logi) Tanks on an objective = Tanks cant hack an objective (Tankers would pay for it, would solve half the problems) AV wont work = AV does work (The same way jihad is the way to go) AV is fine, yes it is (Working as intended?) Also FG is AV (Which is only accessible to a certain class)
Mortedeamor 1226	Posted - 2014.01.13 21:37:00 - [139] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Amarrgheddon wrote: No I find a militia railgun on a militia sica dous quite well. I put up more impressive numbers by myself. It took you two proto suits and a lav. Plus I suspect you are lying. You provide no proof. MLT tank does quite well, i have that on an alt because i have no AV I could have put proto FG on a templar heavy suit tbh, but i might aswell fo all the way and get a better tank too plus the LAV is a must for any AV, how do you chase that which moves when you yourself cannot move? I have 4 witnesses to this feat of AV action, is it because i can do something that you cannot? i believe you of course i also solo tanks with av and find that the av qq does not hold water Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 779	Posted - 2014.01.14 14:07:00 - [140] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Amarrgheddon wrote: No I find a militia railgun on a militia sica dous quite well. I put up more impressive numbers by myself. It took you two proto suits and a lav. Plus I suspect you are lying. You provide no proof. MLT tank does quite well, i have that on an alt because i have no AV I could have put proto FG on a templar heavy suit tbh, but i might aswell fo all the way and get a better tank too plus the LAV is a must for any AV, how do you chase that which moves when you yourself cannot move? I have 4 witnesses to this feat of AV action, is it because i can do something that you cannot? i believe you of course i also solo tanks with av and find that the av qq does not hold water Can't accept the idea of Medium / light suits having a FG?! I know the idea, it's as stupid as saying FG is the only viable way and should be the only way...



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