Oh so it's not nearly as effective as you'd like people to believe.

I haven't contacted you? I invited you to "Rainbow Office" chat and I haven't seen you there yet.

Anyways, 2 FGs and a LAV and a map With installations and such makes AV doable. You can drive around buildings etc and Ensure you get into optimum position and Catch the tanks unawares.

And With the chance of bringing forth another "LOLAmbush" reply from you, I'd like to see you stop one of these 6 man Squads on the more open ambush maps. If you're not quick enough you'll never even get to Call in any vehicles.

Anyways, I had several games yesterday where I took out 2 tanks in several game all alone, go proto RE's!

So AV is definately doable, its just IMO very hard and frustrating. Especially considered I had to spend several 230K suits on average for each 70K militia tank I destroyed.

But thats all in the past, I finally took the step and fitted 2 militia tanks myself, rail and blaster, Its for me chocking how much of an EZ mode tanking is. 70K tank and no skills and I instantly start to **** anything, well short of proper tanks... And then I realized I could even zoom in With the gun and hit multiple infantry at huge distances who all dropped like flies. I even shot Down a bunch of other scrub tanks With my rail. When infantry came too Close I simply stepped out and killed them and hopped back in again, just like fatty LLAV tryhard of the past. And when it got ugly its just to start an hardener and a speed boost and you're off.

I have 5200 HP, hardener, and a speedbooster which practiacally makes me totally invoulnerable to anything but other rail tanks. All the swarms, nades and even RE scouts came at me in Waves and they all died.

I understand now ES, I understand why you wanna keep it this way.

One thing is for certain though, AV is dead for me, I'll stick With militia tanks instead, much cheaper and insanely more efficient.

The tanks died due to my help, that is effective in my book and they all went rail because if they went missile/blaster they got taken down so all they could do was go and use range from the redline, they put me out the game so i went infantry and capped/defended points

Proof or names that you helped redline a 6 man HAV squad or it didn't happen Takahiro, remember you're the one trying to prove to us that AV is working as intended from a Tankers point of view.

The tanks died due to my help, that is effective in my book and they all went rail because if they went missile/blaster they got taken down so all they could do was go and use range from the redline, they put me out the game so i went infantry and capped/defended points

You've gone from this **** is easy look at all these kills to assists. Soon as there is more then one tank on the field or when the map favors tanks infantry AV becomes a lot harder, to the point you may as well use a tank yourself. Me, I like the challenge in running around solo and taking out tanks when the opportunity presents itself, but I do so at a substantial isk loss 99% of the time.
Everything has to go right in order to even kill a 88k isk mlt tank, my cheapest fit is 35k and I'll likely lose a few a long the way. So even when I do kill the mlt tank I get squat as far as isk reward goes because it was so cheap to begin win. But I am not in it for the isk, I like seeing my name in the killfeed as the one who killed that tank that was steamrolling my team. Can't speak for everyone else but I am sure many don't enjoy hemorrhaging isk just to kill one tank or just giving up and hiding in a corner. Tanks should fear infantry, not as much as they should other tanks but to some extent. I know I don't on my tank alt, all I have to do is look out for LAV's and people getting behind me, but in either case I can just run away if need be.

Its the 2nd night and it happened to be assists more than kills this time, the 3rd night could be the same or it goes like the 1st night

Its pubs, ISK reward is random and you dont get anything for killing a tank let alone a proto suit, even last patch killing a 1.7mil tank didnt give you much reward if any at all, that is a seperate issue

So onto the 3rd night of AV

1st match we come across our very own forum critic - Monkey MAC

Now we were mostly infantry at the time with a MLT tank roaming about and after spawn camping his uplink and killing him several times he decided to bring out his own MLT tank which he quickly lost to a combination of a tank and also proto FGs, i think it was a blaster sica, didnt see him in a tank after that or even for the rest of the game tbh


2nd match

We got redlined hard in FW, i think we was fighting for the state but more like dying, got 2 kills on maddys and an assist on a gunlogi, was mostly taking out the turrets at 1st and then driving around to get into good positions

Then we had a few quiet matches, those which did use tanks did so mainly from the redline

Then the big match, we had a domo with 6 tanks on our side and judges DS so when we queued up next round of domo we expected the same teams and we got them except we were against judges DS and unholy legion of darkstar tank crew aswell, i only recognized DELBOY as there main tank users a gunlogi with missiles

I got an assist on judges DS, he targeted and chased after 1 of our tanks, i rolled up in a LAV and distracted him enough he aimed at me, got a solid hit on his DS with my breach and then he got shot down by rail

Also the 3 tanks were rolling around as a convoy quite a bit, made it hard to chase down and hit but got 3 more kill assists, really should have 2 tank kills tbh but my dodgy aiming at 100% sensitivity made me jerk it about too much so i missed a couple of killing blows, they did keep brining out tanks but we did keep chasing them away and killing them, infantry wise we got hammered anyways but no more assista that i know of because no WP were rewarded when it died but i did get a few more hits on target


I lost 1 proto suit when i stayed around to get a maddy kill, i did get a fair few assists and if my aiming was any better i would have had a couple more kills

So ISK wise im still up for destroying vehicles, my KDR verses vehicles is up, WLR for matches is so-so but i am finding the map/mode can make it so much more easier or harder

I am also using the Proto breach FG alot more and tbh i do like it when compared to the AFG, sometimes with AFG you hit them then boom a hardener goes on but sometimes you can hit them with the breach and you have taken off most of the tank so when a hardener does go on its not as effective, 2 breaches generally alpha everything and even one just creames a shield tank with no hardeners and even if it has 1 on 2 shots will still take its shield off and the LAV is a valuable asset to have and is a must in my view and but is also a must for my AV playstyle

After the tank got me I deployed a rail sica and had a scrum down with your friend "tanking is easy mode" we had a couple of good fights although he didn't like me jumping out my tank before it blew up. Although as I explained in reply to your emails, you had to use a tank, that's not AV. Do you not believe that onebfight would have gone differently had your tank not been there?

If you're tank had not been there your forge guns would have stripped my shields, I would have then had at least 2.5 seconds to calmly activate my hardner and shield booster and the whole thing would have gone the other way.

You also neglect to mention that uplink you were camping, when I turned up in that tank with 2-3 mlt infantry you were roasted in your proto suits despite the fact that, I think I missed every shot. Those mlt should have been a walk in the park.

So onto the 3rd night of AV

1st match we come across our very own forum critic - Monkey MAC

Now we were mostly infantry at the time with a MLT tank roaming about and after spawn camping his uplink and killing him several times he decided to bring out his own MLT tank which he quickly lost to a combination of a tank and also proto FGs, i think it was a blaster sica, didnt see him in a tank after that or even for the rest of the game tbh


2nd match

We got redlined hard in FW, i think we was fighting for the state but more like dying, got 2 kills on maddys and an assist on a gunlogi, was mostly taking out the turrets at 1st and then driving around to get into good positions

Then we had a few quiet matches, those which did use tanks did so mainly from the redline

Then the big match, we had a domo with 6 tanks on our side and judges DS so when we queued up next round of domo we expected the same teams and we got them except we were against judges DS and unholy legion of darkstar tank crew aswell, i only recognized DELBOY as there main tank users a gunlogi with missiles

I got an assist on judges DS, he targeted and chased after 1 of our tanks, i rolled up in a LAV and distracted him enough he aimed at me, got a solid hit on his DS with my breach and then he got shot down by rail

Also the 3 tanks were rolling around as a convoy quite a bit, made it hard to chase down and hit but got 3 more kill assists, really should have 2 tank kills tbh but my dodgy aiming at 100% sensitivity made me jerk it about too much so i missed a couple of killing blows, they did keep brining out tanks but we did keep chasing them away and killing them, infantry wise we got hammered anyways but no more assista that i know of because no WP were rewarded when it died but i did get a few more hits on target


I lost 1 proto suit when i stayed around to get a maddy kill, i did get a fair few assists and if my aiming was any better i would have had a couple more kills

So ISK wise im still up for destroying vehicles, my KDR verses vehicles is up, WLR for matches is so-so but i am finding the map/mode can make it so much more easier or harder

I am also using the Proto breach FG alot more and tbh i do like it when compared to the AFG, sometimes with AFG you hit them then boom a hardener goes on but sometimes you can hit them with the breach and you have taken off most of the tank so when a hardener does go on its not as effective, 2 breaches generally alpha everything and even one just creames a shield tank with no hardeners and even if it has 1 on 2 shots will still take its shield off and the LAV is a valuable asset to have and is a must in my view and but is also a must for my AV playstyle

We didnt have to use a tank but it was already out and with 'tanking being so easy' you really should have been able to beat it, our FG would have stripped you down anways and they did, you drove yourself into a corner put yourself into that position, AV played a very big part in kiling your tank and you died to AV

Also i know i wasnt in a proto suit, i was in lolcommando and having fun and yes you did miss every shot

Wouldn't suprise me that was my first ever blaster turret, never used those before. You were in a commando you may have been advanced but I remember Spkrs Suit clearly a Tanked out Proto Gallante Logi, with a named Proto Assault Rifle, you got bull rushed by a few miltia and died in a heartbeat, despite the fact you had been succesfully holding them off before.

AV did play a part in killing me, but not much. You did the armour damage to a Shield based tank, the rail tank took care of the shields for you, that's ultimately why I died. But yeah I forgot to mention I was stuck as well thank you for that.

See, the simple fact is that we used teamwork to destroy you.

Sounds like you guys had fun, but more importantly took an initiative to get the job done. Teamwork and intelligence is OP.

Sounds like you guys had fun, but more importantly took an initiative to get the job done. Teamwork and intelligence is OP.

Sounds like you guys had fun, but more importantly took an initiative to get the job done. Teamwork and intelligence is OP.

Sadly that would imply that my Sicas & Somas need a buff.

It's nice to see one tanker supporting another tankers Idea and trying to imply and prove that Running around in an LAV with 2 heavies and forge guns is the Viable way to counter tanks LOL

* Don't have a Heavy suit
* Dont hae SP for a heavy suit (Even if i did, wouldn;t put it in a heavy suit)
* Can't carry a forge gun
* Don't have SP to get Forge guns
* Can't call in LAV with 4-5 tanks running around
* Good luck Calling in LAV's in an Ambush


Bottom line : lolBalance

So simply because you don't have SP spread out, that means the game is unbalanced? Because of your own lack of planning and foresight, it's ruined?

No, your brain needs a buff.

It's nice to see one tanker supporting another tankers Idea and trying to imply and prove that Running around in an LAV with 2 heavies and forge guns is the Viable way to counter tanks LOL

* Don't have a Heavy suit
* Dont hae SP for a heavy suit (Even if i did, wouldn;t put it in a heavy suit)
* Can't carry a forge gun
* Don't have SP to get Forge guns
* Can't call in LAV with 4-5 tanks running around
* Good luck Calling in LAV's in an Ambush


Bottom line : lolBalance

It's nice to see one tanker supporting another tankers Idea and trying to imply and prove that Running around in an LAV with 2 heavies and forge guns is the Viable way to counter tanks LOL

* Don't have a Heavy suit
* Dont hae SP for a heavy suit (Even if i did, wouldn;t put it in a heavy suit)
* Can't carry a forge gun
* Don't have SP to get Forge guns
* Can't call in LAV with 4-5 tanks running around
* Good luck Calling in LAV's in an Ambush


Bottom line : lolBalance

The truth is the point they are happy about is that it took
2 Proto FG & 1 Rail Tank
to take out a stuck and unhardened shield tank, that disgraceful, a SINGLE Adv Forge Gun should have allowed me to survive with but a SHRED of health.

Instead it took teamwork, a tank and luck to take me out. I was stuck between a rock and a hard place literaly, I should have been like fish in a barrel for just one of you.

Or are you happy with the balance that
1 Tank > 2 FG
1 Tank = 2 FG + 1 Tank
1 Tank = 1 Tank

Even if the rail tank wasnt there 2 FG would have took you out and you got stuck because you have bad positioning and no idea what you were doing

Also 1 tank = 2 FG or even just 1 FG if they know what they are doing

As for NIV you dont have a FG/heavy because you dont want it, you have limited yourself as a consequence

Takihiro, it took a tank shot followed by 2 almost simultaneous FG hits, tk achieve the same thing with just FG would have taken 4 shots, now unless you used 4 staggered shots from 3 Forge Guns, you wouldn't have killed me before I activated my hardners.

Or are you sayimg its perfectly reasonable to go out find another 2 pepole with a forge gun, then have to synchronise shots to kill a stuck, unhardned tank.

You have only served to prove how bad AV is, when it took 2 Protoforge AND a rail tank. It wouldn't have taken just the Forge Guns, Takio we both know that.

2 FG = Tank

Ive done it

1 FG = Tank = Hard to do but can be done