If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players?

Pre 1.7 all proto AV did was at least 3k per shot swarms and 2k plus for a FG and mlt tanks were worse then than they are now so if they were that good i would have seen them in PC for example or even videos of the OP MLT tanks surviving pre 1.7 swarms

Also the tank kills were within the 1st 10mins, we spawned with proto FG suits at the start and got the LAV in and chased em down and got rid of them, won most of the game that night when we cleared the field

So not pre 1.7 a mlt tank can survive a bunch of matches? yes they can survive and that is OP now?

I killed more std tanks than mlt and yea when no more vehicles were in i either went infantry or pulled out my own tank and stomp the team because they had no AV or tanks since they were afraid that they would get popped again

Tanks are in alot better place than they used to be and im just riding this high before the drop, if mlt gets nerfed wont effect me i use std and proto stuff

If mods get nerfed i wont be too happy, if mods get changed ie mlt dmg mods do only 10%dmg and 1min cooldown and complex do 30%dmg and has a 45sec cooldown i could deal with so higher meta mods better bonuses and % etc

If railguns get nerfed to below dmg of a FG i wont be happy, same if they nerf range also since the turret is long range

If they nerf blasters then i wont be happy because it is a giant AR anyways

What prob will happen is that everything gets a nerf

I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do.

un fortunatley taka hiro u are 100% right av is fine avers are underpowered..we the older av vets who went through chromosome clearly need to pass our knowledge down i feel that 2 tanks working with av is more effective at stomping tank spam and responding with tank spam..we guardians need to pass down the how and why of being a guardian to the newer players so ccp doesnt accidentally over nerf tanks again

So onto the 3rd night of AV

1st match we come across our very own forum critic - Monkey MAC

Now we were mostly infantry at the time with a MLT tank roaming about and after spawn camping his uplink and killing him several times he decided to bring out his own MLT tank which he quickly lost to a combination of a tank and also proto FGs, i think it was a blaster sica, didnt see him in a tank after that or even for the rest of the game tbh


2nd match

We got redlined hard in FW, i think we was fighting for the state but more like dying, got 2 kills on maddys and an assist on a gunlogi, was mostly taking out the turrets at 1st and then driving around to get into good positions

Then we had a few quiet matches, those which did use tanks did so mainly from the redline

Then the big match, we had a domo with 6 tanks on our side and judges DS so when we queued up next round of domo we expected the same teams and we got them except we were against judges DS and unholy legion of darkstar tank crew aswell, i only recognized DELBOY as there main tank users a gunlogi with missiles

I got an assist on judges DS, he targeted and chased after 1 of our tanks, i rolled up in a LAV and distracted him enough he aimed at me, got a solid hit on his DS with my breach and then he got shot down by rail

Also the 3 tanks were rolling around as a convoy quite a bit, made it hard to chase down and hit but got 3 more kill assists, really should have 2 tank kills tbh but my dodgy aiming at 100% sensitivity made me jerk it about too much so i missed a couple of killing blows, they did keep brining out tanks but we did keep chasing them away and killing them, infantry wise we got hammered anyways but no more assista that i know of because no WP were rewarded when it died but i did get a few more hits on target


I lost 1 proto suit when i stayed around to get a maddy kill, i did get a fair few assists and if my aiming was any better i would have had a couple more kills

So ISK wise im still up for destroying vehicles, my KDR verses vehicles is up, WLR for matches is so-so but i am finding the map/mode can make it so much more easier or harder

I am also using the Proto breach FG alot more and tbh i do like it when compared to the AFG, sometimes with AFG you hit them then boom a hardener goes on but sometimes you can hit them with the breach and you have taken off most of the tank so when a hardener does go on its not as effective, 2 breaches generally alpha everything and even one just creames a shield tank with no hardeners and even if it has 1 on 2 shots will still take its shield off and the LAV is a valuable asset to have and is a must in my view and but is also a must for my AV playstyle

We didnt have to use a tank but it was already out and with 'tanking being so easy' you really should have been able to beat it, our FG would have stripped you down anways and they did, you drove yourself into a corner put yourself into that position, AV played a very big part in kiling your tank and you died to AV

Also i know i wasnt in a proto suit, i was in lolcommando and having fun and yes you did miss every shot

It's nice to see one tanker supporting another tankers Idea and trying to imply and prove that Running around in an LAV with 2 heavies and forge guns is the Viable way to counter tanks LOL

* Don't have a Heavy suit
* Dont hae SP for a heavy suit (Even if i did, wouldn;t put it in a heavy suit)
* Can't carry a forge gun
* Don't have SP to get Forge guns
* Can't call in LAV with 4-5 tanks running around
* Good luck Calling in LAV's in an Ambush


Bottom line : lolBalance

Even if the rail tank wasnt there 2 FG would have took you out and you got stuck because you have bad positioning and no idea what you were doing

Also 1 tank = 2 FG or even just 1 FG if they know what they are doing

As for NIV you dont have a FG/heavy because you dont want it, you have limited yourself as a consequence

2 FG = Tank

Ive done it

1 FG = Tank = Hard to do but can be done

STD tank with 1 hardener on took 6shots with a proto AFG

It attempted to run away, but we had it in a position where he didnt know where we was and no matter where he went we would have killed it before it got away

Shield tank so no armor reps

If we catch a tank cold we can strip its shield and some armor in 2 shots

So far they havnt really come for me yet

Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them

Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me

I dont just park in front of them like so many do

So because i play smart and engage on my terms is not valid? lolgo figure

Where AV is needed? So an example

You mean where a tank is at a point laying into everyone with its hardeners on etc, well i can attack and push them off briefly and force them to use some mods and then a friendly tank/AV ambushes it or i could let the team get slaughtered and then attack when hes cooling down so i pop it and get rid of it until they call in another one or we can always use a friendly tank to push on the tank force it to use everything and if and when it retreats i also hit it or whatever example anyways

Last time i checked a gunlogi/maddy is not mlt

Also it requires infantry needs to do something, even if all the tanks are cleared of the field if infantry cant do infantry then we will lose anyways meaning that tanks are a non factor, meaning really we should let the tanks **** the terrible infantry so the game is over quicker

lolpubs too i forgot, in pubs its random, in pubs its protostomp against acedemy players, in pubs its generally always stacked and matchmaking is broken