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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 13:10:00 -
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So i made a LAV and my proto FG fit again but i wouldnt be soloing vehicles because i use TEAMWORK and it makes the job easier
I was in a squad, mostly a 4-5man group and yes we did deploy tanks
In the LAV was me and spkr both proto FG and prof except i was only prof 1 and Spkr is prof 4 i think, the rest of the group either groundpounded or had a MLT/STD tanks
Match 1
1 gunlogi - Drove the LAV around looking for it and when we found it we parked behind it and shot it to death, 3 shots each and he did have a hardener running
Match 2
1 soma - Once again driving around looking for targets, found it parked behind it, aimed at the sweetsport and alpha'd it, 1 shot each
Couple of matches go by no vehicles
Match 4
2 gunlogi + 1 sica - This time i was solo at the start of the match, group was awol a little bit for the 1st kill, drove a LAV around found 2 enemy tanks next to each other, 1 guy had a milita swarm so i hit the tank he was hitting, 3 shots and it down
2nd tank was retreating after hardeners went off from swarm guy and i parked to where he was heading to and 2 shot it
3rd tank was inside a compound and 1 of our group had a tank out who was taking it on and i popped it as it retreated where i was waiting
Match 5
1 Maddy & sica - Maddy inside a compound and i 4 shot it, no help and the sica i happened to warbarge strike it and got lucky i didnt know it was there
Unlike most AV we were prepared to chase the tank around, my LAV was built for chasing stuff around and was quick as hell and AV wise were built our suits for max damage
The tanks we did find were mostly crap because mlt is, id say a couple were not too shabby mainly the gunlogis and the pilots were not too bad, they retreated and used hardeners and ran away quickly
When we did clear the field of tanks no more were spawned back in, even MLT tanks we took out were not replaced, the majority of the time we had to swap out to infantry/tanks because they didnt gives us any vehicles to shoot at
Skirms and domo we played were not tank heavy, at most that night we saw 3 enemy tanks in 1 game, we made a couple of tanks get recalled and generally the field was clear because of 2ppl
So far so good and i didnt lose a single suit to an enemy tank that night or even lose my LAV tho i nearly did since i was using my LAV as cover, enemy installations were more dangerous than a tank since they have better aim
Does anyone have any questions or need tips on how to AV?
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 13:44:00 -
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Amarrgheddon wrote:No I find a militia railgun on a militia sica dous quite well. I put up more impressive numbers by myself. It took you two proto suits and a lav. Plus I suspect you are lying. You provide no proof.
MLT tank does quite well, i have that on an alt because i have no AV
I could have put proto FG on a templar heavy suit tbh, but i might aswell fo all the way and get a better tank too plus the LAV is a must for any AV, how do you chase that which moves when you yourself cannot move?
I have 4 witnesses to this feat of AV action, is it because i can do something that you cannot?
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 14:10:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:you invested 3 guys to rolling around in av gear....
seems like you'd of lost most of those matches.
Only invested 2 tbh
After the tanks were cleared we did what we normally do and that is either tank or go infantry
We won most of the matches, even tho not too fussed even if we lose im going after tanks with AV
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 14:42:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Let me know how this would help players who don't have a Heavy Suit or Heavy weapons but have specced into Full AV gear for medium and light suits.
Most have swarms
Maxed out swarms still hurt armor and non shiny shield tanks, even with a hardener a group of swarms do really well and fast firing time so the clip is out in seconds
With swarms they dont have that punch a FG has or even a PLC
Best way to take a tank down is to do it in a group, you need mass missiles all at once since each missile does so much dmg on its own and each missile dmg isnt enough to stop the regen so it has to be on mass if it has hardeners on
No hardeners its fine
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 14:53:00 -
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Atiim wrote:You used teamwork. Huh?
Now how many of those tanks were forced to use teamwork?
If I'm forced to use teamwork, then why shouldn't the tanker?
1=1
Those tanks could have been working in a group
They may have been supporting the infantry
I didnt mind using teamwork, makes the job a bit easier, i did solo a couple of them basically but it just makes the job longer
If you want an enemy tank off the field use teamwork
I still use teamwork in my tank, sometimes im in a 6man group and we are all using teamwork does that mean it should then take 6 to take me out because im using teamwork in a 6man group?
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 15:05:00 -
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Jastad wrote:i see, so you finally squad up with babar and accept his challenge... Not that we don't trust you but you know....Crutch user always lies to save their crutch
Like i did it with babar, he hasnt even contacted me
I did this on my own back just to see how hard it really it, with most having proto AV it shouldnt be a problem, the only way it would be difficult is with lower AV hence why if you have next to no AV a mlt tank is better
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 15:20:00 -
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Snagman 313 wrote:Looks at thread waves other mercs past.
"Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!"
If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players?
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 15:45:00 -
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Snagman 313 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Snagman 313 wrote:Looks at thread waves other mercs past.
"Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? That my 88k Soma is awesome at mullering infantry and 79k Sica is better for knocking out other tanks than my double complex dmg modded Ishukone AFG AK.0 fit at 187k. I certainly didn't say I don't run HAVs just that I don't like the current amounts in Ambush and the Militia HAV effectiveness for the price thats all. I also won't deny that the Maddies and Gunnloggis needed a buff bad but honestly something needs to change. Your retort sir!
I find that most mlt tanks which kill tanks are with the rail, high dmg/range and rof
Using a blaster mlt tank is meh tbh but the dmg mods can make a big diff to any tank its just its defences can be meh, i can kill with a blaster but generally i have to get the jump on them and sometimes i have to run, with my alt i have no tank skills
Even tho the tank is faster moving than your heavy, its why i used a LAV, can cover more ground and go through places that tanks cant and can easily get behind them without them seeing me and if you are a good driver you have no problem survivng most of the time
As for ambush dont play it and its whoever spams the tank in 1st win since if they have the ground they will whack it before the bolas drops it
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 16:01:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Jastad wrote:i see, so you finally squad up with babar and accept his challenge... Not that we don't trust you but you know....Crutch user always lies to save their crutch Like i did it with babar, he hasnt even contacted me I did this on my own back just to see how hard it really it, with most having proto AV it shouldnt be a problem, the only way it would be difficult is with lower AV hence why if you have next to no AV a mlt tank is better All I see are words and no video to prove it. Babar probably hasn't contacted you because you haven't found the balls to actually accept his challenge. No instead you keep posting bs like this expecting us to take your obviously bias word for it and then insult anyone that doesn't.
His challenge he has to contact me, except he wants it done in lolambush
Ive killed tanks with UP AV because thats what players keep saying and its not UP, i didnt have a problem
I will do it again tonight and post again and then the day after and after that and may do it for a solid week
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 16:20:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: His challenge he has to contact me, except he wants it done in lolambush
Ive killed tanks with UP AV because thats what players keep saying and its not UP, i didnt have a problem
I will do it again tonight and post again and then the day after and after that and may do it for a solid week
Well you know, Babar isn't the only person that can record video; there's plenty of other people that can and I'm sure there are at least a few that would be more than happy to help prove you right. So stop posting threads & comments that make it look like you're sucking your own **** & your buddies too and post some actual proof instead.
Proof is my word & witnesses and victims
Plus i run a 2man LAV, no 3rd seat so they would have to keep up and not get in the way or just spend the time recording the killfeed
Its easy to ask for video proof when only so many actually have it, its like a get out of jail free card on any thread you dont like
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 16:26:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:You used teamwork. Huh?
Now how many of those tanks were forced to use teamwork?
If I'm forced to use teamwork, then why shouldn't the tanker?
1=1 Those tanks could have been working in a group They may have been supporting the infantry I didnt mind using teamwork, makes the job a bit easier, i did solo a couple of them basically but it just makes the job longer If you want an enemy tank off the field use teamwork I still use teamwork in my tank, sometimes im in a 6man group and we are all using teamwork does that mean it should then take 6 to take me out because im using teamwork in a 6man group? Bolding for visibility.
You are not forced
You can still solo
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 16:28:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:You had to put all that effort with an expensive fit and three people, while I could have done it in a militia tank AND not lose my anti infantry capabilities This only proves one point: Tanker vs AV is EXTREMELY unbalanced effort wise
I did that with 2ppl mainly and after the field was cleared they didnt dare bring out any tanks so i went infantry/tank and killed infantry
Railgun killing infantry isnt as good as a blaster ever
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 16:36:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: You are not forced
You can still solo
Your right you can still solo, if the tanker is AFK or has the IQ of a 2 year old child. Though to be fair, that encompasses a vast majority of them.
So then if they have the IQ of a 2 year old child why are most AV players not killing them?
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 16:37:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Your word means nothing and all of your witnesses I've seen so far seem to either be your buddies or otherwise bias people.
It seems all you want to do is talk smack and make excuses. Can't be hassled to put a turret on your LAV so you can have someone ride along to prove you right? That just shows how afraid you are of being proven wrong.
No its because my LAV is made to survive in case i pop up in front of a blaster tank and need to get away
If i use a weaker LAV my chances of surviving a tank encounter drop and i may die as a consequence all because im carrying a useless camera man just for you
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 17:44:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So then if they have the IQ of a 2 year old child why are most AV players not killing them?
They are. It's the people who actually know how to drive that are theoretically impossible to kill with conventional AV. But that's okay. Your "special" after all.
So bad pilots are dying and good pilots are surviving so then whats the problem?
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 17:45:00 -
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Baltazar Pontain wrote:Binding two people in proto stuff + vehicle to kill one guy in milita tank.
Can someone explain me why people think that is ok?
Thats not just for milita tanks
That is my preferred setup to kill all tanks
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 17:48:00 -
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Snagman 313 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Snagman 313 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Snagman 313 wrote:Looks at thread waves other mercs past.
"Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? That my 88k Soma is awesome at mullering infantry and 79k Sica is better for knocking out other tanks than my double complex dmg modded Ishukone AFG AK.0 fit at 187k. I certainly didn't say I don't run HAVs just that I don't like the current amounts in Ambush and the Militia HAV effectiveness for the price thats all. I also won't deny that the Maddies and Gunnloggis needed a buff bad but honestly something needs to change. Your retort sir! I find that most mlt tanks which kill tanks are with the rail, high dmg/range and rof Using a blaster mlt tank is meh tbh but the dmg mods can make a big diff to any tank its just its defences can be meh, i can kill with a blaster but generally i have to get the jump on them and sometimes i have to run, with my alt i have no tank skills Even tho the tank is faster moving than your heavy, its why i used a LAV, can cover more ground and go through places that tanks cant and can easily get behind them without them seeing me and if you are a good driver you have no problem survivng most of the time As for ambush dont play it and its whoever spams the tank in 1st win since if they have the ground they will whack it before the bolas drops it Definitely the Rail HAV is the best AV device at the moment IMO. I don't really like to use the LAV for movement with my FG fit for that I have my sqd place uplinks in choke points and spawn quickly before bugging out. The problem with the LAV is than while you say it's it's easy to get around and behind them it is very visible to any Tanker with half a brain i.e big old RDV dropping something off hmmm wonder if it's a HAV.... nope LAV better watch out for Suicide LAV's and then the second you get out of it you're vulnerable to small arms fire whereas in the SIca you're immune and you just need to sneak around the redline until you get a shot at them or run away if they get a shot at you. On that point it should be noted if you have to face off against an HAV you nearly always die as a FG user since you can't run away at any speed sure you might be lucky and hope your LAV doesn't get blown up but I doubt it. Soooo Proto FG fit vs Sica I still take the FG fit most of the time because I refuse to give in and like it but in pubs grinding ISK vs the HAV swarm the only viable way to hunt HAVs and still make a profit is the SIca which I have no skills in. And no major offence intended by the next statement but whatever, don't for a second think that because you went 1 night rolling AV against some single or double HAV teams that AV is fine come back when you encounter a full 4 or 5 Pro HAV convoy rolling in and out of a city murdering everyone while the rest of your team tries to do something with what AV they can field before the infantry murder them. Then keep encountering them match after match and then tell me AV is balanced, sure 1 or 2 clever tanker vs 3 or 6 clever AV is a great battle but 4 or 5 clever tankers and say 10 infantry camping spawns vs 12 or 15 AV and 1 infantry not so good. But don't worry the Nerf is on it's way and those delicious WP's for vehicle damage will be a great addition to the AV team!!!
I find the LAV is easier because the heavy is so slow and cumbersome, the LAV is also used as a quick escape and generally most pilots see a LAV and ignore it when it escapes and if they dont see it they think if may have been killed or even recalled
I cant use spawn points because if it goes up **** creek or the HAV sees me i cant excatly move fast and escape plus it puts me on the ground with infantry, at least a LAV can be a shield and escape point
Im doing this again for the next few nights, so far so good
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 17:52:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Snagman 313 wrote:Looks at thread waves other mercs past.
"Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? The tanker is bull****ing It's like everytime we say that we take out a miltia tank and survive matches of worth of AV, you don't believe. Also its amazing that you think it reasonable to use teamwork, but at any point were you actually Assaulted by these tanks? Did you actually kill them at a time where it made more of difference than just to the tankers wallet? How many did you get when it mattered? By your OP - 0
Pre 1.7 all proto AV did was at least 3k per shot swarms and 2k plus for a FG and mlt tanks were worse then than they are now so if they were that good i would have seen them in PC for example or even videos of the OP MLT tanks surviving pre 1.7 swarms
Also the tank kills were within the 1st 10mins, we spawned with proto FG suits at the start and got the LAV in and chased em down and got rid of them, won most of the game that night when we cleared the field
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 18:05:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Snagman 313 wrote:Looks at thread waves other mercs past.
"Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? The tanker is bull****ing It's like everytime we say that we take out a miltia tank and survive matches of worth of AV, you don't believe. Also its amazing that you think it reasonable to use teamwork, but at any point were you actually Assaulted by these tanks? Did you actually kill them at a time where it made more of difference than just to the tankers wallet? How many did you get when it mattered? By your OP - 0 Pre 1.7 all proto AV did was at least 3k per shot swarms and 2k plus for a FG and mlt tanks were worse then than they are now so if they were that good i would have seen them in PC for example or even videos of the OP MLT tanks surviving pre 1.7 swarms Also the tank kills were within the 1st 10mins, we spawned with proto FG suits at the start and got the LAV in and chased em down and got rid of them, won most of the game that night when we cleared the field Did I mention pre 1.7? No. So you killed a couple of mlt tanks, not doing anything, tben proceeded to pull out your own tanks nd stomp them? And you believe tanks are fine?
So not pre 1.7 a mlt tank can survive a bunch of matches? yes they can survive and that is OP now?
I killed more std tanks than mlt and yea when no more vehicles were in i either went infantry or pulled out my own tank and stomp the team because they had no AV or tanks since they were afraid that they would get popped again
Tanks are in alot better place than they used to be and im just riding this high before the drop, if mlt gets nerfed wont effect me i use std and proto stuff
If mods get nerfed i wont be too happy, if mods get changed ie mlt dmg mods do only 10%dmg and 1min cooldown and complex do 30%dmg and has a 45sec cooldown i could deal with so higher meta mods better bonuses and % etc
If railguns get nerfed to below dmg of a FG i wont be happy, same if they nerf range also since the turret is long range
If they nerf blasters then i wont be happy because it is a giant AR anyways
What prob will happen is that everything gets a nerf
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 18:07:00 -
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I find the LAV is easier because the heavy is so slow and cumbersome, the LAV is also used as a quick escape and generally most pilots see a LAV and ignore it when it escapes and if they dont see it they think if may have been killed or even recalled
I cant use spawn points because if it goes up **** creek or the HAV sees me i cant excatly move fast and escape plus it puts me on the ground with infantry, at least a LAV can be a shield and escape point
Im doing this again for the next few nights, so far so good[/quote]
Fair enough you got your way I've got mine but it's something you should consider I've been doing this for a while and AV is apparently a team sport.
If you come across treadnaughters in game be sure to get footage or at least names of the Tankers so the folks can check in or they won't believe you but I think if you ran ambush you might get a taste of a why they HAV nerf is being called for. Especially since I have such a huge amount of SP sunk into my AV gear whereas if I run my mlt Sica I do sooo much better and I'm a crap tanker TBH.
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I had the FG for months, i know how to use it
As for lolambush i dont play it, its all about who can call in as many tanks as possible in that mode because once they are in the enemy cant get anything in and if the same ambush tankers went into any other mode they would hammered off the map and lose so many tanks they would quit and go back to ambush
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 18:10:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:And I can still solo tanks. So what? so AV is ok right? NO. Most dumb up post I read in awhile. Sprk put you up to it? So what your saying is not that it takes TEAM to take out one tank BUT that if you have enough TIN CANS on the field then it makes up for the loss of the AV team?
So in the end it comes down to who can field in more tanks. AND THAT IS STUPID. This is not an RTS.
It took 2ppl but i was in a 5man group, general communication between the 5 of us is OP because we called out stuff to each other like locations of tanks and infantry etc
And no your still wrong, i ve seen 6man squads each field a tank in skirmish/domo and still lose because the infantry got hammered and couldnt hack the points
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 18:26:00 -
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echo47 wrote:Serious questions OP what was your fit? both lav and dropsuit
How many times did you die to infantry?
Basic proto heavy - proto AFG, 2 enhanced dmg mods, 1 plate 2 reps and the LAV was proto overdrive and 2 complex light reps no turret
Died once to infantry, my fault i rolled the LAV and it ended up on the roof had to get out to flip and got gunned down apart from that no other deaths by infantry
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 18:27:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Surt gods end wrote:And I can still solo tanks. So what? so AV is ok right? NO. Most dumb up post I read in awhile. Sprk put you up to it? So what your saying is not that it takes TEAM to take out one tank BUT that if you have enough TIN CANS on the field then it makes up for the loss of the AV team?
So in the end it comes down to who can field in more tanks. AND THAT IS STUPID. This is not an RTS. It took 2ppl but i was in a 5man group, general communication between the 5 of us is OP because we called out stuff to each other like locations of tanks and infantry etc And no your still wrong, i ve seen 6man squads each field a tank in skirmish/domo and still lose because the infantry got hammered and couldnt hack the points But your not seeing at HOW will this help retention? Force everyone to join a corp after acedemy? No **** that communication is the key to winning, and teamwork. that was true before tank spam. hence why prostomps happen. But you can't force randoms to play a specific way. and that's why it's more then just if my proto ass self can solo tanks. not if the new young ins are getting slaughter by em. There already gimped the new players or mid tier players by us vets, and old clans. Now they are gimped more by tank spam. unless they themselves are forced to jump in a tank just to compete. And that's not cool.
Retention is a diff matter completely
The whole game is broken in various areas that new players dont like or cant deal with and its a still in beta and missing alot of content
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.07 19:07:00 -
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Snagman 313 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:I find the LAV is easier because the heavy is so slow and cumbersome, the LAV is also used as a quick escape and generally most pilots see a LAV and ignore it when it escapes and if they dont see it they think if may have been killed or even recalled I cant use spawn points because if it goes up **** creek or the HAV sees me i cant excatly move fast and escape plus it puts me on the ground with infantry, at least a LAV can be a shield and escape point Im doing this again for the next few nights, so far so good Fair enough you got your way I've got mine but it's something you should consider I've been doing this for a while and AV is apparently a team sport. If you come across treadnaughters in game be sure to get footage or at least names of the Tankers so the folks can check in or they won't believe you but I think if you ran ambush you might get a taste of a why they HAV nerf is being called for. Especially since I have such a huge amount of SP sunk into my AV gear whereas if I run my mlt Sica I do sooo much better and I'm a crap tanker TBH.
I had the FG for months, i know how to use it
As for lolambush i dont play it, its all about who can call in as many tanks as possible in that mode because once they are in the enemy cant get anything in and if the same ambush tankers went into any other mode they would hammered off the map and lose so many tanks they would quit and go back to ambush [/quote]
Months sure yeah that makes you competent Forge gunner but you're still fairy fresh in the AV world and you can't like or lump different game modes in wether Hav's or their pilots are good or not, you need to include ambush even if you deem it beneath you as it's where all the new players started in fact we all started there. [/quote]
I include PC over ambush any time
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.08 10:17:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Atiim wrote:You used teamwork. Huh?
Now how many of those tanks were forced to use teamwork?
If I'm forced to use teamwork, then why shouldn't the tanker?
1=1 When vehicles can cap points, yep. But then we might as well remove vehicles. Which is something im starting to think this game needs. Ccp can't handle balance and the playerbase cannot adapt to anything that isnt cod.
I get another respec then and about 6 proto weapons/suits and all the core skills done
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.08 10:28:00 -
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Another night of AV gone
Didnt go aswell this time, mostly bad maps which were all bumpy and hard for my LAV to get about in so it kept flipping but also alot of infantry compounds where we could ignore tanks altogether and just ground pound
On the maps where tanks were called in i did get quite a few assists and the odd kill, mainly im always squadded up with 1 tanker so we co-ordinate and set a trap up or i just LAV chase about and let em know where he is and when the time is right pop out and kill him
I was also using a proto breach FG this time around on some maps, hits very hard and auto makes the tank back of and run away plus by the time they came back i had another shot charged and lined up ready, 3 shots most tanks even with hardeners on and the suprise factor is awesome, hit that sweet spot and you can be close to alpha kill but its very good for area denial
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:48:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do.
i did run around in the LAV against 4+ tanks yday, they kept calling them out its how i ended up with assists
Problem is they went railgun so i couldnt get close enough
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:50:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Question...
What LAV fit were you using?
Overdrive with 2 armor reps on a methana, takes some punishment it does, can survive a FG hit and a rail and can speed away very nicely
Also tried it with a couple of small turrets on mainly the missiles and railgun, didnt work that well small turret kep hitting the LAV and with the missle is went everywhere except at the target when moving
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:27:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. i did run around in the LAV against 4+ tanks yday, they kept calling them out its how i ended up with assists Problem is they went railgun so i couldnt get close enough Oh so it's not nearly as effective as you'd like people to believe.
The tanks died due to my help, that is effective in my book and they all went rail because if they went missile/blaster they got taken down so all they could do was go and use range from the redline, they put me out the game so i went infantry and capped/defended points
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:53:00 -
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Snagman 313 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. i did run around in the LAV against 4+ tanks yday, they kept calling them out its how i ended up with assists Problem is they went railgun so i couldnt get close enough Oh so it's not nearly as effective as you'd like people to believe. The tanks died due to my help, that is effective in my book and they all went rail because if they went missile/blaster they got taken down so all they could do was go and use range from the redline, they put me out the game so i went infantry and capped/defended points Proof or names that you helped redline a 6 man HAV squad or it didn't happen Takahiro, remember you're the one trying to prove to us that AV is working as intended from a Tankers point of view.
I cant remember who i killed from 12hrs ago
Also they were a 4+man, not sure about 6 but we stopped them bringing in tanks into the field and instead they went rail
This AV thing was more for me rarther than AV, i have AV and i wanted to see how bad it was so did a little bit of a challenge which is ongoing and i happen to stick it on the forums and annoy ppl
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:17:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. i did run around in the LAV against 4+ tanks yday, they kept calling them out its how i ended up with assists Problem is they went railgun so i couldnt get close enough Oh so it's not nearly as effective as you'd like people to believe. The tanks died due to my help, that is effective in my book and they all went rail because if they went missile/blaster they got taken down so all they could do was go and use range from the redline, they put me out the game so i went infantry and capped/defended points You've gone from this **** is easy look at all these kills to assists. Soon as there is more then one tank on the field or when the map favors tanks infantry AV becomes a lot harder, to the point you may as well use a tank yourself. Me, I like the challenge in running around solo and taking out tanks when the opportunity presents itself, but I do so at a substantial isk loss 99% of the time. Everything has to go right in order to even kill a 88k isk mlt tank, my cheapest fit is 35k and I'll likely lose a few a long the way. So even when I do kill the mlt tank I get squat as far as isk reward goes because it was so cheap to begin win. But I am not in it for the isk, I like seeing my name in the killfeed as the one who killed that tank that was steamrolling my team. Can't speak for everyone else but I am sure many don't enjoy hemorrhaging isk just to kill one tank or just giving up and hiding in a corner. Tanks should fear infantry, not as much as they should other tanks but to some extent. I know I don't on my tank alt, all I have to do is look out for LAV's and people getting behind me, but in either case I can just run away if need be.
Its the 2nd night and it happened to be assists more than kills this time, the 3rd night could be the same or it goes like the 1st night
Its pubs, ISK reward is random and you dont get anything for killing a tank let alone a proto suit, even last patch killing a 1.7mil tank didnt give you much reward if any at all, that is a seperate issue
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Posted - 2014.01.09 13:33:00 -
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So onto the 3rd night of AV
1st match we come across our very own forum critic - Monkey MAC
Now we were mostly infantry at the time with a MLT tank roaming about and after spawn camping his uplink and killing him several times he decided to bring out his own MLT tank which he quickly lost to a combination of a tank and also proto FGs, i think it was a blaster sica, didnt see him in a tank after that or even for the rest of the game tbh
2nd match
We got redlined hard in FW, i think we was fighting for the state but more like dying, got 2 kills on maddys and an assist on a gunlogi, was mostly taking out the turrets at 1st and then driving around to get into good positions
Then we had a few quiet matches, those which did use tanks did so mainly from the redline
Then the big match, we had a domo with 6 tanks on our side and judges DS so when we queued up next round of domo we expected the same teams and we got them except we were against judges DS and unholy legion of darkstar tank crew aswell, i only recognized DELBOY as there main tank users a gunlogi with missiles
I got an assist on judges DS, he targeted and chased after 1 of our tanks, i rolled up in a LAV and distracted him enough he aimed at me, got a solid hit on his DS with my breach and then he got shot down by rail
Also the 3 tanks were rolling around as a convoy quite a bit, made it hard to chase down and hit but got 3 more kill assists, really should have 2 tank kills tbh but my dodgy aiming at 100% sensitivity made me jerk it about too much so i missed a couple of killing blows, they did keep brining out tanks but we did keep chasing them away and killing them, infantry wise we got hammered anyways but no more assista that i know of because no WP were rewarded when it died but i did get a few more hits on target
I lost 1 proto suit when i stayed around to get a maddy kill, i did get a fair few assists and if my aiming was any better i would have had a couple more kills
So ISK wise im still up for destroying vehicles, my KDR verses vehicles is up, WLR for matches is so-so but i am finding the map/mode can make it so much more easier or harder
I am also using the Proto breach FG alot more and tbh i do like it when compared to the AFG, sometimes with AFG you hit them then boom a hardener goes on but sometimes you can hit them with the breach and you have taken off most of the tank so when a hardener does go on its not as effective, 2 breaches generally alpha everything and even one just creames a shield tank with no hardeners and even if it has 1 on 2 shots will still take its shield off and the LAV is a valuable asset to have and is a must in my view and but is also a must for my AV playstyle
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Posted - 2014.01.09 15:40:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:So onto the 3rd night of AV
1st match we come across our very own forum critic - Monkey MAC
Now we were mostly infantry at the time with a MLT tank roaming about and after spawn camping his uplink and killing him several times he decided to bring out his own MLT tank which he quickly lost to a combination of a tank and also proto FGs, i think it was a blaster sica, didnt see him in a tank after that or even for the rest of the game tbh
2nd match
We got redlined hard in FW, i think we was fighting for the state but more like dying, got 2 kills on maddys and an assist on a gunlogi, was mostly taking out the turrets at 1st and then driving around to get into good positions
Then we had a few quiet matches, those which did use tanks did so mainly from the redline
Then the big match, we had a domo with 6 tanks on our side and judges DS so when we queued up next round of domo we expected the same teams and we got them except we were against judges DS and unholy legion of darkstar tank crew aswell, i only recognized DELBOY as there main tank users a gunlogi with missiles
I got an assist on judges DS, he targeted and chased after 1 of our tanks, i rolled up in a LAV and distracted him enough he aimed at me, got a solid hit on his DS with my breach and then he got shot down by rail
Also the 3 tanks were rolling around as a convoy quite a bit, made it hard to chase down and hit but got 3 more kill assists, really should have 2 tank kills tbh but my dodgy aiming at 100% sensitivity made me jerk it about too much so i missed a couple of killing blows, they did keep brining out tanks but we did keep chasing them away and killing them, infantry wise we got hammered anyways but no more assista that i know of because no WP were rewarded when it died but i did get a few more hits on target
I lost 1 proto suit when i stayed around to get a maddy kill, i did get a fair few assists and if my aiming was any better i would have had a couple more kills
So ISK wise im still up for destroying vehicles, my KDR verses vehicles is up, WLR for matches is so-so but i am finding the map/mode can make it so much more easier or harder
I am also using the Proto breach FG alot more and tbh i do like it when compared to the AFG, sometimes with AFG you hit them then boom a hardener goes on but sometimes you can hit them with the breach and you have taken off most of the tank so when a hardener does go on its not as effective, 2 breaches generally alpha everything and even one just creames a shield tank with no hardeners and even if it has 1 on 2 shots will still take its shield off and the LAV is a valuable asset to have and is a must in my view and but is also a must for my AV playstyle After the tank got me I deployed a rail sica and had a scrum down with your friend "tanking is easy mode" we had a couple of good fights although he didn't like me jumping out my tank before it blew up. Although as I explained in reply to your emails, you had to use a tank, that's not AV. Do you not believe that onebfight would have gone differently had your tank not been there? If you're tank had not been there your forge guns would have stripped my shields, I would have then had at least 2.5 seconds to calmly activate my hardner and shield booster and the whole thing would have gone the other way. You also neglect to mention that uplink you were camping, when I turned up in that tank with 2-3 mlt infantry you were roasted in your proto suits despite the fact that, I think I missed every shot. Those mlt should have been a walk in the park.
We didnt have to use a tank but it was already out and with 'tanking being so easy' you really should have been able to beat it, our FG would have stripped you down anways and they did, you drove yourself into a corner put yourself into that position, AV played a very big part in kiling your tank and you died to AV
Also i know i wasnt in a proto suit, i was in lolcommando and having fun and yes you did miss every shot
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Posted - 2014.01.10 10:27:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:NAV HIV wrote:KenKaniff69 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:See, the simple fact is that we used teamwork to destroy you. Sounds like you guys had fun, but more importantly took an initiative to get the job done. Teamwork and intelligence is OP. It's nice to see one tanker supporting another tankers Idea and trying to imply and prove that Running around in an LAV with 2 heavies and forge guns is the Viable way to counter tanks LOL * Don't have a Heavy suit * Dont hae SP for a heavy suit (Even if i did, wouldn;t put it in a heavy suit) * Can't carry a forge gun * Don't have SP to get Forge guns * Can't call in LAV with 4-5 tanks running around * Good luck Calling in LAV's in an Ambush Bottom line : lolBalance The truth is the point they are happy about is that it took 2 Proto FG & 1 Rail Tank to take out a stuck and unhardened shield tank, that disgraceful, a SINGLE Adv Forge Gun should have allowed me to survive with but a SHRED of health. Instead it took teamwork, a tank and luck to take me out. I was stuck between a rock and a hard place literaly, I should have been like fish in a barrel for just one of you. Or are you happy with the balance that 1 Tank > 2 FG 1 Tank = 2 FG + 1 Tank 1 Tank = 1 Tank
Even if the rail tank wasnt there 2 FG would have took you out and you got stuck because you have bad positioning and no idea what you were doing
Also 1 tank = 2 FG or even just 1 FG if they know what they are doing
As for NIV you dont have a FG/heavy because you dont want it, you have limited yourself as a consequence
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Posted - 2014.01.10 11:38:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:
Takihiro, it took a tank shot followed by 2 almost simultaneous FG hits, tk achieve the same thing with just FG would have taken 4 shots, now unless you used 4 staggered shots from 3 Forge Guns, you wouldn't have killed me before I activated my hardners.
Or are you sayimg its perfectly reasonable to go out find another 2 pepole with a forge gun, then have to synchronise shots to kill a stuck, unhardned tank.
You have only served to prove how bad AV is, when it took 2 Protoforge AND a rail tank. It wouldn't have taken just the Forge Guns, Takio we both know that.
2 FG = Tank
Ive done it
1 FG = Tank = Hard to do but can be done
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Posted - 2014.01.10 12:30:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
Takihiro, it took a tank shot followed by 2 almost simultaneous FG hits, tk achieve the same thing with just FG would have taken 4 shots, now unless you used 4 staggered shots from 3 Forge Guns, you wouldn't have killed me before I activated my hardners.
Or are you sayimg its perfectly reasonable to go out find another 2 pepole with a forge gun, then have to synchronise shots to kill a stuck, unhardned tank.
You have only served to prove how bad AV is, when it took 2 Protoforge AND a rail tank. It wouldn't have taken just the Forge Guns, Takio we both know that.
2 FG = Tank Ive done it 1 FG = Tank = Hard to do but can be done Did you? Really? Was it standing still? was it empty? No, I know it was limping back to the redline after a tank battle wasn't it. Despite, being the one shot at seeing my health go down your still trying to tell me I'm wrong. But the point your missing even then is that in your land of puppy dogs and rainbows its still 2 PROTO against a MLT tank, with MLT Modules. So what happens when you get a standard tank with proto modules? Hmm, how many PROTO FG is that 5, 6?
STD tank with 1 hardener on took 6shots with a proto AFG
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:16:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
Takihiro, it took a tank shot followed by 2 almost simultaneous FG hits, tk achieve the same thing with just FG would have taken 4 shots, now unless you used 4 staggered shots from 3 Forge Guns, you wouldn't have killed me before I activated my hardners.
Or are you sayimg its perfectly reasonable to go out find another 2 pepole with a forge gun, then have to synchronise shots to kill a stuck, unhardned tank.
You have only served to prove how bad AV is, when it took 2 Protoforge AND a rail tank. It wouldn't have taken just the Forge Guns, Takio we both know that.
2 FG = Tank Ive done it 1 FG = Tank = Hard to do but can be done Did you? Really? Was it standing still? was it empty? No, I know it was limping back to the redline after a tank battle wasn't it. Despite, being the one shot at seeing my health go down your still trying to tell me I'm wrong. But the point your missing even then is that in your land of puppy dogs and rainbows its still 2 PROTO against a MLT tank, with MLT Modules. So what happens when you get a standard tank with proto modules? Hmm, how many PROTO FG is that 5, 6? STD tank with 1 hardener on took 6shots with a proto AFG 6 shots? And exactly how long did it take to get out said 6 shots? And did said tank use any healing like shield boosters or armour reps was it just sat in the middle of a field, was it empty.
It attempted to run away, but we had it in a position where he didnt know where we was and no matter where he went we would have killed it before it got away
Shield tank so no armor reps
If we catch a tank cold we can strip its shield and some armor in 2 shots
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:26:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote: Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you?
So far they havnt really come for me yet
Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them
Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me
I dont just park in front of them like so many do
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:39:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you?
So far they havnt really come for me yet Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me I dont just park in front of them like so many do Come back to me when they do finally come for you, when you are engaging them for defense not just for the hell of it. However I would like to point out that its pretty much you and spkr left.
So because i play smart and engage on my terms is not valid? lolgo figure
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Posted - 2014.01.10 15:30:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you?
So far they havnt really come for me yet Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me I dont just park in front of them like so many do Come back to me when they do finally come for you, when you are engaging them for defense not just for the hell of it. However I would like to point out that its pretty much you and spkr left. So because i play smart and engage on my terms is not valid? lolgo figure What good is fighting on your terms, as you've described them to us. What about fighting tanks with AV where AV is needed. Unil then you can blow up as many mlt tanks as you like but you won't understand where the imbalance is coming from. This entire thread shows that.
Where AV is needed? So an example
You mean where a tank is at a point laying into everyone with its hardeners on etc, well i can attack and push them off briefly and force them to use some mods and then a friendly tank/AV ambushes it or i could let the team get slaughtered and then attack when hes cooling down so i pop it and get rid of it until they call in another one or we can always use a friendly tank to push on the tank force it to use everything and if and when it retreats i also hit it or whatever example anyways
Last time i checked a gunlogi/maddy is not mlt
Also it requires infantry needs to do something, even if all the tanks are cleared of the field if infantry cant do infantry then we will lose anyways meaning that tanks are a non factor, meaning really we should let the tanks **** the terrible infantry so the game is over quicker
lolpubs too i forgot, in pubs its random, in pubs its protostomp against acedemy players, in pubs its generally always stacked and matchmaking is broken
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:20:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:So far what I've read is that ambush is broke, AV won't work. Pub matches are broke, AV won't work. Tanks on an objective, AV won't work. But AV is fine.
Ambush broke = Matchmaking broke
AV wont work = AV does work
Pub matches are broken = Matchmaking is broken
AV wont work = AV does work
Tanks on an objective = Tanks cant hack an objective
AV wont work = AV does work
AV is fine, yes it is
Also FG is AV
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