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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.10 12:30:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
Takihiro, it took a tank shot followed by 2 almost simultaneous FG hits, tk achieve the same thing with just FG would have taken 4 shots, now unless you used 4 staggered shots from 3 Forge Guns, you wouldn't have killed me before I activated my hardners.
Or are you sayimg its perfectly reasonable to go out find another 2 pepole with a forge gun, then have to synchronise shots to kill a stuck, unhardned tank.
You have only served to prove how bad AV is, when it took 2 Protoforge AND a rail tank. It wouldn't have taken just the Forge Guns, Takio we both know that.
2 FG = Tank Ive done it 1 FG = Tank = Hard to do but can be done Did you? Really? Was it standing still? was it empty? No, I know it was limping back to the redline after a tank battle wasn't it. Despite, being the one shot at seeing my health go down your still trying to tell me I'm wrong. But the point your missing even then is that in your land of puppy dogs and rainbows its still 2 PROTO against a MLT tank, with MLT Modules. So what happens when you get a standard tank with proto modules? Hmm, how many PROTO FG is that 5, 6?
STD tank with 1 hardener on took 6shots with a proto AFG
Intelligence is OP
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1532
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Posted - 2014.01.10 12:33:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
Takihiro, it took a tank shot followed by 2 almost simultaneous FG hits, tk achieve the same thing with just FG would have taken 4 shots, now unless you used 4 staggered shots from 3 Forge Guns, you wouldn't have killed me before I activated my hardners.
Or are you sayimg its perfectly reasonable to go out find another 2 pepole with a forge gun, then have to synchronise shots to kill a stuck, unhardned tank.
You have only served to prove how bad AV is, when it took 2 Protoforge AND a rail tank. It wouldn't have taken just the Forge Guns, Takio we both know that.
2 FG = Tank Ive done it 1 FG = Tank = Hard to do but can be done Did you? Really? Was it standing still? was it empty? No, I know it was limping back to the redline after a tank battle wasn't it. Despite, being the one shot at seeing my health go down your still trying to tell me I'm wrong. But the point your missing even then is that in your land of puppy dogs and rainbows its still 2 PROTO against a MLT tank, with MLT Modules. So what happens when you get a standard tank with proto modules? Hmm, how many PROTO FG is that 5, 6? STD tank with 1 hardener on took 6shots with a proto AFG
6 shots? And exactly how long did it take to get out said 6 shots? And did said tank use any healing like shield boosters or armour reps was it just sat in the middle of a field, was it empty.
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2180
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:16:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
Takihiro, it took a tank shot followed by 2 almost simultaneous FG hits, tk achieve the same thing with just FG would have taken 4 shots, now unless you used 4 staggered shots from 3 Forge Guns, you wouldn't have killed me before I activated my hardners.
Or are you sayimg its perfectly reasonable to go out find another 2 pepole with a forge gun, then have to synchronise shots to kill a stuck, unhardned tank.
You have only served to prove how bad AV is, when it took 2 Protoforge AND a rail tank. It wouldn't have taken just the Forge Guns, Takio we both know that.
2 FG = Tank Ive done it 1 FG = Tank = Hard to do but can be done Did you? Really? Was it standing still? was it empty? No, I know it was limping back to the redline after a tank battle wasn't it. Despite, being the one shot at seeing my health go down your still trying to tell me I'm wrong. But the point your missing even then is that in your land of puppy dogs and rainbows its still 2 PROTO against a MLT tank, with MLT Modules. So what happens when you get a standard tank with proto modules? Hmm, how many PROTO FG is that 5, 6? STD tank with 1 hardener on took 6shots with a proto AFG 6 shots? And exactly how long did it take to get out said 6 shots? And did said tank use any healing like shield boosters or armour reps was it just sat in the middle of a field, was it empty.
It attempted to run away, but we had it in a position where he didnt know where we was and no matter where he went we would have killed it before it got away
Shield tank so no armor reps
If we catch a tank cold we can strip its shield and some armor in 2 shots
Intelligence is OP
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1536
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:20:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
2 FG = Tank
Ive done it
1 FG = Tank = Hard to do but can be done
Did you? Really? Was it standing still? was it empty? No, I know it was limping back to the redline after a tank battle wasn't it. Despite, being the one shot at seeing my health go down your still trying to tell me I'm wrong. But the point your missing even then is that in your land of puppy dogs and rainbows its still 2 PROTO against a MLT tank, with MLT Modules. So what happens when you get a standard tank with proto modules? Hmm, how many PROTO FG is that 5, 6? STD tank with 1 hardener on took 6shots with a proto AFG 6 shots? And exactly how long did it take to get out said 6 shots? And did said tank use any healing like shield boosters or armour reps was it just sat in the middle of a field, was it empty. It attempted to run away, but we had it in a position where he didnt know where we was and no matter where he went we would have killed it before it got away Shield tank so no armor reps If we catch a tank cold we can strip its shield and some armor in 2 shots Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you?
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2180
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:26:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote: Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you?
So far they havnt really come for me yet
Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them
Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me
I dont just park in front of them like so many do
Intelligence is OP
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1536
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:30:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you?
So far they havnt really come for me yet Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me I dont just park in front of them like so many do
Come back to me when they do finally come for you, when you are engaging them for defense not just for the hell of it. However I would like to point out that its pretty much you and spkr left.
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2180
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:39:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you?
So far they havnt really come for me yet Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me I dont just park in front of them like so many do Come back to me when they do finally come for you, when you are engaging them for defense not just for the hell of it. However I would like to point out that its pretty much you and spkr left.
So because i play smart and engage on my terms is not valid? lolgo figure
Intelligence is OP
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Infine Sentinel
Better Hide R Die
625
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:42:00 -
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1538
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Posted - 2014.01.10 15:12:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you?
So far they havnt really come for me yet Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me I dont just park in front of them like so many do Come back to me when they do finally come for you, when you are engaging them for defense not just for the hell of it. However I would like to point out that its pretty much you and spkr left. So because i play smart and engage on my terms is not valid? lolgo figure
What good is fighting on your terms, as you've described them to us. What about fighting tanks with AV where AV is needed. Unil then you can blow up as many mlt tanks as you like but you won't understand where the imbalance is coming from.
This entire thread shows that.
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2180
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Posted - 2014.01.10 15:30:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you?
So far they havnt really come for me yet Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me I dont just park in front of them like so many do Come back to me when they do finally come for you, when you are engaging them for defense not just for the hell of it. However I would like to point out that its pretty much you and spkr left. So because i play smart and engage on my terms is not valid? lolgo figure What good is fighting on your terms, as you've described them to us. What about fighting tanks with AV where AV is needed. Unil then you can blow up as many mlt tanks as you like but you won't understand where the imbalance is coming from. This entire thread shows that.
Where AV is needed? So an example
You mean where a tank is at a point laying into everyone with its hardeners on etc, well i can attack and push them off briefly and force them to use some mods and then a friendly tank/AV ambushes it or i could let the team get slaughtered and then attack when hes cooling down so i pop it and get rid of it until they call in another one or we can always use a friendly tank to push on the tank force it to use everything and if and when it retreats i also hit it or whatever example anyways
Last time i checked a gunlogi/maddy is not mlt
Also it requires infantry needs to do something, even if all the tanks are cleared of the field if infantry cant do infantry then we will lose anyways meaning that tanks are a non factor, meaning really we should let the tanks **** the terrible infantry so the game is over quicker
lolpubs too i forgot, in pubs its random, in pubs its protostomp against acedemy players, in pubs its generally always stacked and matchmaking is broken
Intelligence is OP
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1539
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Posted - 2014.01.10 15:39:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So far they havnt really come for me yet
Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them
Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me
I dont just park in front of them like so many do
Come back to me when they do finally come for you, when you are engaging them for defense not just for the hell of it. However I would like to point out that its pretty much you and spkr left. So because i play smart and engage on my terms is not valid? lolgo figure What good is fighting on your terms, as you've described them to us. What about fighting tanks with AV where AV is needed. Unil then you can blow up as many mlt tanks as you like but you won't understand where the imbalance is coming from. This entire thread shows that. Where AV is needed? So an example You mean where a tank is at a point laying into everyone with its hardeners on etc, well i can attack and push them off briefly and force them to use some mods and then a friendly tank/AV ambushes it or i could let the team get slaughtered and then attack when hes cooling down so i pop it and get rid of it until they call in another one or we can always use a friendly tank to push on the tank force it to use everything and if and when it retreats i also hit it or whatever example anyways Last time i checked a gunlogi/maddy is not mlt Also it requires infantry needs to do something, even if all the tanks are cleared of the field if infantry cant do infantry then we will lose anyways meaning that tanks are a non factor, meaning really we should let the tanks **** the terrible infantry so the game is over quicker lolpubs too i forgot, in pubs its random, in pubs its protostomp against acedemy players, in pubs its generally always stacked and matchmaking is broken
Infantry have a hard time defending from infantry when the is a ****ing tank shooting at you, numerous of the medium sockets are open enough that infantry hiding from the tank can't deal with enemy infantry.
Those dealing with Enemy infantry get shot by the tank. If you can successfully show me a video of holding off a tank assault at a point, with AV, then I will happily jump aboard your bandwagon.
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1663
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Posted - 2014.01.11 19:29:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:
Those dealing with Enemy infantry get shot by the tank. If you can successfully show me a video of holding off a tank assault at a point, with AV, then I will happily jump aboard your bandwagon.
What, you think nobody can fight off a tank with any tool available?
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
770
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:45:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:NAV HIV wrote:KenKaniff69 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:See, the simple fact is that we used teamwork to destroy you. Sounds like you guys had fun, but more importantly took an initiative to get the job done. Teamwork and intelligence is OP. It's nice to see one tanker supporting another tankers Idea and trying to imply and prove that Running around in an LAV with 2 heavies and forge guns is the Viable way to counter tanks LOL * Don't have a Heavy suit * Dont hae SP for a heavy suit (Even if i did, wouldn;t put it in a heavy suit) * Can't carry a forge gun * Don't have SP to get Forge guns * Can't call in LAV with 4-5 tanks running around * Good luck Calling in LAV's in an Ambush Bottom line : lolBalance So simply because you don't have SP spread out, that means the game is unbalanced? Because of your own lack of planning and foresight, it's ruined?
34 mil SP+...
* Don't like the Fat suit (Can't be bothered) * Specced into almost all the Light Weapons (No lasers: SO don't tell me i should use that to take out Sica/Gunlogi) * I'm a Medium Frame user and i specced into the AV weapons a medium frame user should use, With full proficiency
So tell me how i should use the Swarm and AV nades... Spec into it and talk about it. I don't call anything OP or UP without using it first.
All these Tank vs AV PR work, even you know how full of 5hit it is, when you are typing it.
Allow medium Frame to use Forge Gun or STFU about FG being the Viable option... Up for that challenge?! |
Righteous Rage
BIG BAD W0LVES
46
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Posted - 2014.01.13 14:04:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Assuming you do manage to catch him off guard, the point is what do you when he comes for you?
So far they havnt really come for me yet Sometimes when tanks are on the field they pay more attention to my LAV than the tank coming up behind them Even so im far enough away to do damage and possibly get the kill before i need to retreat and i try and get into places where they may not see me I dont just park in front of them like so many do Come back to me when they do finally come for you, when you are engaging them for defense not just for the hell of it. However I would like to point out that its pretty much you and spkr left. So because i play smart and engage on my terms is not valid? lolgo figure
defending your team or an objective is rarely on our terms. It must be dealt with swiftly and aggressively.
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2014.01.13 17:49:00 -
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So far what I've read is that ambush is broke, AV won't work. Pub matches are broke, AV won't work. Tanks on an objective, AV won't work. But AV is fine. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3417
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Posted - 2014.01.13 17:56:00 -
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Another tanker is using the FORGE MASTER RACE ideal to justify how weak AV is.
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Atiim (Wyrikomi Swarm Launcher) Tank Spammer
Tank Spammer (Soma - MLT 80GJ Blaster) Atiim
And this is why I drink.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2210
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:20:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:So far what I've read is that ambush is broke, AV won't work. Pub matches are broke, AV won't work. Tanks on an objective, AV won't work. But AV is fine.
Ambush broke = Matchmaking broke
AV wont work = AV does work
Pub matches are broken = Matchmaking is broken
AV wont work = AV does work
Tanks on an objective = Tanks cant hack an objective
AV wont work = AV does work
AV is fine, yes it is
Also FG is AV
Intelligence is OP
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
774
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:37:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:So far what I've read is that ambush is broke, AV won't work. Pub matches are broke, AV won't work. Tanks on an objective, AV won't work. But AV is fine. Ambush broke = Matchmaking broke (all the lol Tankers) AV wont work = AV does work (Forge Guns for Light and Medium suits now!) Pub matches are broken = Matchmaking is broken (CCP) AV wont work = AV does work (The same way an Assaults Should be a logi) Tanks on an objective = Tanks cant hack an objective (Tankers would pay for it, would solve half the problems) AV wont work = AV does work (The same way jihad is the way to go) AV is fine, yes it is (Working as intended?) Also FG is AV (Which is only accessible to a certain class)
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Mortedeamor
1226
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Posted - 2014.01.13 21:37:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Amarrgheddon wrote:No I find a militia railgun on a militia sica dous quite well. I put up more impressive numbers by myself. It took you two proto suits and a lav. Plus I suspect you are lying. You provide no proof. MLT tank does quite well, i have that on an alt because i have no AV I could have put proto FG on a templar heavy suit tbh, but i might aswell fo all the way and get a better tank too plus the LAV is a must for any AV, how do you chase that which moves when you yourself cannot move? I have 4 witnesses to this feat of AV action, is it because i can do something that you cannot? i believe you of course i also solo tanks with av and find that the av qq does not hold water
Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
779
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Posted - 2014.01.14 14:07:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Amarrgheddon wrote:No I find a militia railgun on a militia sica dous quite well. I put up more impressive numbers by myself. It took you two proto suits and a lav. Plus I suspect you are lying. You provide no proof. MLT tank does quite well, i have that on an alt because i have no AV I could have put proto FG on a templar heavy suit tbh, but i might aswell fo all the way and get a better tank too plus the LAV is a must for any AV, how do you chase that which moves when you yourself cannot move? I have 4 witnesses to this feat of AV action, is it because i can do something that you cannot? i believe you of course i also solo tanks with av and find that the av qq does not hold water
Can't accept the idea of Medium / light suits having a FG?!
I know the idea, it's as stupid as saying FG is the only viable way and should be the only way...
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