DUST Search - My night with AV

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players?

The tanker is bull****ing
It's like everytime we say that we take out a miltia tank and survive matches of worth of AV, you don't believe.
Also its amazing that you think it reasonable to use teamwork, but at any point were you actually Assaulted by these tanks?

Did you actually kill them at a time where it made more of difference than just to the tankers wallet?
How many did you get when it mattered?

By your OP - 0

Pre 1.7 all proto AV did was at least 3k per shot swarms and 2k plus for a FG and mlt tanks were worse then than they are now so if they were that good i would have seen them in PC for example or even videos of the OP MLT tanks surviving pre 1.7 swarms

Also the tank kills were within the 1st 10mins, we spawned with proto FG suits at the start and got the LAV in and chased em down and got rid of them, won most of the game that night when we cleared the field

Did I mention pre 1.7? No.
So you killed a couple of mlt tanks, not doing anything, tben proceeded to pull out your own tanks nd stomp them?
And you believe tanks are fine?

So not pre 1.7 a mlt tank can survive a bunch of matches? yes they can survive and that is OP now?

I killed more std tanks than mlt and yea when no more vehicles were in i either went infantry or pulled out my own tank and stomp the team because they had no AV or tanks since they were afraid that they would get popped again

Tanks are in alot better place than they used to be and im just riding this high before the drop, if mlt gets nerfed wont effect me i use std and proto stuff

If mods get nerfed i wont be too happy, if mods get changed ie mlt dmg mods do only 10%dmg and 1min cooldown and complex do 30%dmg and has a 45sec cooldown i could deal with so higher meta mods better bonuses and % etc

If railguns get nerfed to below dmg of a FG i wont be happy, same if they nerf range also since the turret is long range

If they nerf blasters then i wont be happy because it is a giant AR anyways

What prob will happen is that everything gets a nerf

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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3148	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:41:00 - [61] - Quote Stinker Butt wrote: average dedicated tankers are usually at the top of the leader board average dedicated AV players are at the bottom that's not balanced Yep, it even caused a hate thread. But I hope this will change in 1.8, as CCP has promised WP awards for damaging vehicles. CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1488	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:41:00 - [62] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? The tanker is bull***ing It's like everytime we say that we take out a miltia tank and survive matches of worth of AV, you don't believe. Also its amazing that you think it reasonable to use teamwork, but at any point were you actually Assaulted by these tanks? Did you actually kill them at a time where it made more of difference than just to the tankers wallet? How many did you get when it mattered? By your OP - 0 Pre 1.7 all proto AV did was at least 3k per shot swarms and 2k plus for a FG and mlt tanks were worse then than they are now so if they were that good i would have seen them in PC for example or even videos of the OP MLT tanks surviving pre 1.7 swarms Also the tank kills were within the 1st 10mins, we spawned with proto FG suits at the start and got the LAV in and chased em down and got rid of them, won most of the game that night when we cleared the field Did I mention pre 1.7? No. So you killed a couple of mlt tanks, not doing anything, tben proceeded to pull out your own tanks nd stomp them? And you believe tanks are fine? So not pre 1.7 a mlt tank can survive a bunch of matches? yes they can survive and that is OP now? I killed more std tanks than mlt and yea when no more vehicles were in i either went infantry or pulled out my own tank and stomp the team because they had no AV or tanks since they were afraid that they would get popped again Tanks are in alot better place than they used to be and im just riding this high before the drop, if mlt gets nerfed wont effect me i use std and proto stuff If mods get nerfed i wont be too happy, if mods get changed ie mlt dmg mods do only 10%dmg and 1min cooldown and complex do 30%dmg and has a 45sec cooldown i could deal with so higher meta mods better bonuses and % etc If railguns get nerfed to below dmg of a FG i wont be happy, same if they nerf range also since the turret is long range If they nerf blasters then i wont be happy because it is a giant AR anyways What prob will happen is that everything gets a nerf Pre 1.7 a proto modded tank could last 2 matches at most, it wasn't worth being a tanker. But now its the other way round, mlt tank can last ages, being anything but a tanker is incredibly futile. Never said tanks weren't in a better place, never said it wasn't in the right direction. But you cannot tell me they are anyway near balanced when it took 2-3 people with proto gear to kill a couple of tanks, that were doing nothing of note. Tanks 514* I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2073	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:44:00 - [63] - Quote Since 1.7 I have used a Proto Swarm launcher for AV and a Standard Forge Gun for AV. - The Forge Gun is fine. Works great. - The Swarm Launcher is under powered. The Proto SwL is inferior to the Standard Forge Gun for AV. I am getting tired of Forge Gunners making threads to say that the AV balance is fine. It is not fine for Medium and Light Frame suits, although with sticky Remote Explosives Light suits are a bit better off than Medium Frames. I also donGÇÖt want to encourage Medium and Light Frame specialists to skill into Heavy Suits. As a person who mostly plays heavy (My Heavy is Crash Gaden), I donGÇÖt want the Heavy suit to become the new Assault suit. Finally the obligatory: Fox Gaden wrote: I still say: Buff missile damage by 30 = 250 damage per missile (down from 330 in 1.6) Buff range by 25m = 200m range (down from 400 in 1.6) These small buffs would get the Swarm Launcher a lot closer to being balanced. After seeing the how that plays out we can determine if they need to be buffed any further. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Stinker Butt 0uter.Heaven 334	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:56:00 - [64] - Quote Atiim wrote: Stinker Butt wrote: average dedicated tankers are usually at the top of the leader board average dedicated AV players are at the bottom that's not balanced Yep, it even caused a hate thread. But I hope this will change in 1.8, as CCP has promised WP awards for damaging vehicles. that's a pathetic group of kids, so I wouldn't take it seriously. Unfortunately it seems to be the group that CCP is supporting with this build. I don't think anybody is good that drives a tank. If they have good stats it's likely only because they drive a tank. Get your K/D above 5 without tanks or sniping and I'll believe your good. Please give tanks some balance
Snagman 313 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 242	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:58:00 - [65] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snagman 313 wrote: I find the LAV is easier because the heavy is so slow and cumbersome, the LAV is also used as a quick escape and generally most pilots see a LAV and ignore it when it escapes and if they dont see it they think if may have been killed or even recalled I cant use spawn points because if it goes up **** creek or the HAV sees me i cant excatly move fast and escape plus it puts me on the ground with infantry, at least a LAV can be a shield and escape point Im doing this again for the next few nights, so far so good Fair enough you got your way I've got mine but it's something you should consider I've been doing this for a while and AV is apparently a team sport. If you come across treadnaughters in game be sure to get footage or at least names of the Tankers so the folks can check in or they won't believe you but I think if you ran ambush you might get a taste of a why they HAV nerf is being called for. Especially since I have such a huge amount of SP sunk into my AV gear whereas if I run my mlt Sica I do sooo much better and I'm a crap tanker TBH. [/quote] I had the FG for months, i know how to use it As for lolambush i dont play it, its all about who can call in as many tanks as possible in that mode because once they are in the enemy cant get anything in and if the same ambush tankers went into any other mode they would hammered off the map and lose so many tanks they would quit and go back to ambush [/quote] Months sure yeah that makes you competent Forge gunner but you're still fairy fresh in the AV world and you can't like or lump different game modes in wether Hav's or their pilots are good or not, you need to include ambush even if you deem it beneath you as it's where all the new players started in fact we all started there. Closed Beta AV veteran I drink because I play Dust
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2162	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:07:00 - [66] - Quote Snagman 313 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snagman 313 wrote: I find the LAV is easier because the heavy is so slow and cumbersome, the LAV is also used as a quick escape and generally most pilots see a LAV and ignore it when it escapes and if they dont see it they think if may have been killed or even recalled I cant use spawn points because if it goes up **** creek or the HAV sees me i cant excatly move fast and escape plus it puts me on the ground with infantry, at least a LAV can be a shield and escape point Im doing this again for the next few nights, so far so good Fair enough you got your way I've got mine but it's something you should consider I've been doing this for a while and AV is apparently a team sport. If you come across treadnaughters in game be sure to get footage or at least names of the Tankers so the folks can check in or they won't believe you but I think if you ran ambush you might get a taste of a why they HAV nerf is being called for. Especially since I have such a huge amount of SP sunk into my AV gear whereas if I run my mlt Sica I do sooo much better and I'm a crap tanker TBH. I had the FG for months, i know how to use it As for lolambush i dont play it, its all about who can call in as many tanks as possible in that mode because once they are in the enemy cant get anything in and if the same ambush tankers went into any other mode they would hammered off the map and lose so many tanks they would quit and go back to ambush [/quote] Months sure yeah that makes you competent Forge gunner but you're still fairy fresh in the AV world and you can't like or lump different game modes in wether Hav's or their pilots are good or not, you need to include ambush even if you deem it beneath you as it's where all the new players started in fact we all started there. [/quote] I include PC over ambush any time Intelligence is OP
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 706	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:26:00 - [67] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Let me know how this would help players who don't have a Heavy Suit or Heavy weapons but have specced into Full AV gear for medium and light suits. Most have swarms Maxed out swarms still hurt armor and non shiny shield tanks, even with a hardener a group of swarms do really well and fast firing time so the clip is out in seconds With swarms they dont have that punch a FG has or even a PLC Best way to take a tank down is to do it in a group, you need mass missiles all at once since each missile does so much dmg on its own and each missile dmg isnt enough to stop the regen so it has to be on mass if it has hardeners on No hardeners its fine Please do get a Proto Medium/Light Suit (I'd suggest medium) More CPU, PG and High Slots. Get Wyrkomi Swarms with 3 damage mods and Prof 5 + Other swarm skills Lai dai AV Nades K-2 Nanohives Call in an Lav and around with two more swarmers. That'd be over 500K in suits and equipment. Let me know how that goes against a good Soma/Sica LOL Nice try with this AV vs Tank is Fair BS
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 706	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:29:00 - [68] - Quote Atiim wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Let me know how this would help players who don't have a Heavy Suit or Heavy weapons but have specced into Full AV gear for medium and light suits. It wouldn't. See tankers have this "special" kind of logic that makes them believe that only heavies should be able to take out vehicles simply because their vehicle has the word HEAVY in it. On another note, if only heavies should kill "heavies"; then we need to nerf the Shotgun and Nova Knife. Only Infantry should kill infantry and we should receive 0 Damage from Tanks lol... Tanks should receive 0 damage from infantry. That'd be a new kind of game. A hybrid version of World of tanks and COD... According to some here, that's a proper balance lol
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 706	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:31:00 - [69] - Quote Btw, a Soma Fitted with Proto Rail was one shotting everything in a Dom last night from the red line. That's proper tanking !!!
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:01:00 - [70] - Quote If I accept the veracity of Takahiro's post then tanks must magically make people smarter. AV players are not successful because they are stupid and bad players, yet a dedicated AV'er who goes 2/10 as an AV'er can call in a tank and easily go 10/2, this must be because the tank made him smarter. It is funny how in 1.6 tankers were getting destroyed but they weren't stupid but now we have the reverse and it is all player incompetency. Sorry, Takahiro's but you arguments only hurt the credibility of tankers and their legitimate concerns that a nerf axe rather than a nerf scalpel is coming. I think the consensus is that there is a problem with the hardeners and with the speed of tanks. Adjust those and award WP for damage and I think we are going to be close to where we should be.

Righteous Rage BIG BAD W0LVES 13	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:18:00 - [71] - Quote Just give me a decent forge again and I will kill every last one of you. "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
Snagman 313 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 243	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:01:00 - [72] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: If I accept the veracity of Takahiro's post then tanks must magically make people smarter. AV players are not successful because they are stupid and bad players, yet a dedicated AV'er who goes 2/10 as an AV'er can call in a tank and easily go 10/2, this must be because the tank made him smarter. It is funny how in 1.6 tankers were getting destroyed but they weren't stupid but now we have the reverse and it is all player incompetency. Sorry, Takahiro's but you arguments only hurt the credibility of tankers and their legitimate concerns that a nerf axe rather than a nerf scalpel is coming. I think the consensus is that there is a problem with the hardeners and with the speed of tanks. Adjust those and award WP for damage and I think we are going to be close to where we should be. Shhhhh bud you're giving the game away let him dig that big old hole! I mean he's already admitted that Ambush is broken with Tanks so step 1 is complete. Closed Beta AV veteran I drink because I play Dust
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1656	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:20:00 - [73] - Quote Amarrgheddon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Amarrgheddon wrote: No I find a militia railgun on a militia sica dous quite well. I put up more impressive numbers by myself. It took you two proto suits and a lav. Plus I suspect you are lying. You provide no proof. MLT tank does quite well, i have that on an alt because i have no AV I could have put proto FG on a templar heavy suit tbh, but i might aswell fo all the way and get a better tank too plus the LAV is a must for any AV, how do you chase that which moves when you yourself cannot move? I have 4 witnesses to this feat of AV action, is it because i can do something that you cannot? when I see the red star guys they are cruising in two triple hardened gunnlogis with a madrugar rail as support. It's called teamwork. You should try it out some time. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 315	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:39:00 - [74] - Quote Atiim wrote: You used teamwork. Huh? Now how many of those tanks were forced to use teamwork? If I'm forced to use teamwork, then why shouldn't the tanker? 1=1 When vehicles can cap points, yep. But then we might as well remove vehicles. Which is something im starting to think this game needs. Ccp can't handle balance and the playerbase cannot adapt to anything that isnt cod.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2164	Posted - 2014.01.08 10:17:00 - [75] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Atiim wrote: You used teamwork. Huh? Now how many of those tanks were forced to use teamwork? If I'm forced to use teamwork, then why shouldn't the tanker? 1=1 When vehicles can cap points, yep. But then we might as well remove vehicles. Which is something im starting to think this game needs. Ccp can't handle balance and the playerbase cannot adapt to anything that isnt cod. I get another respec then and about 6 proto weapons/suits and all the core skills done Intelligence is OP
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2164	Posted - 2014.01.08 10:28:00 - [76] - Quote Another night of AV gone Didnt go aswell this time, mostly bad maps which were all bumpy and hard for my LAV to get about in so it kept flipping but also alot of infantry compounds where we could ignore tanks altogether and just ground pound On the maps where tanks were called in i did get quite a few assists and the odd kill, mainly im always squadded up with 1 tanker so we co-ordinate and set a trap up or i just LAV chase about and let em know where he is and when the time is right pop out and kill him I was also using a proto breach FG this time around on some maps, hits very hard and auto makes the tank back of and run away plus by the time they came back i had another shot charged and lined up ready, 3 shots most tanks even with hardeners on and the suprise factor is awesome, hit that sweet spot and you can be close to alpha kill but its very good for area denial Intelligence is OP
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1	Posted - 2014.01.08 11:56:00 - [77] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Another night of AV gone Didnt go aswell this time, mostly bad maps which were all bumpy and hard for my LAV to get about in so it kept flipping but also alot of infantry compounds where we could ignore tanks altogether and just ground pound On the maps where tanks were called in i did get quite a few assists and the odd kill, mainly im always squadded up with 1 tanker so we co-ordinate and set a trap up or i just LAV chase about and let em know where he is and when the time is right pop out and kill him I was also using a proto breach FG this time around on some maps, hits very hard and auto makes the tank back of and run away plus by the time they came back i had another shot charged and lined up ready, 3 shots most tanks even with hardeners on and the suprise factor is awesome, hit that sweet spot and you can be close to alpha kill but its very good for area denial I've been running AV squads as well, it can be a lot of fun, changes up the game from the usual rinse and repeat. I won't be on again until the weekend but message me in game and I'd like to join up with you guys. I run Forges and HAVs.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3191	Posted - 2014.01.08 11:58:00 - [78] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: It's called spam. You should try it out some time. FTFY CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 378	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:09:00 - [79] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Another night of AV gone Didnt go aswell this time, mostly bad maps which were all bumpy and hard for my LAV to get about in so it kept flipping but also alot of infantry compounds where we could ignore tanks altogether and just ground pound On the maps where tanks were called in i did get quite a few assists and the odd kill, mainly im always squadded up with 1 tanker so we co-ordinate and set a trap up or i just LAV chase about and let em know where he is and when the time is right pop out and kill him I was also using a proto breach FG this time around on some maps, hits very hard and auto makes the tank back of and run away plus by the time they came back i had another shot charged and lined up ready, 3 shots most tanks even with hardeners on and the suprise factor is awesome, hit that sweet spot and you can be close to alpha kill but its very good for area denial Another night with "no proof", i assume..... Once you try "HMG-FAT" you never get back...
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 367	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:21:00 - [80] - Quote I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles

Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1504	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:23:00 - [81] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. Try ambush against 6 tanks, tell me you won, without deploying tanks. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Mortedeamor 1197	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:23:00 - [82] - Quote un fortunatley taka hiro u are 100% right av is fine avers are underpowered..we the older av vets who went through chromosome clearly need to pass our knowledge down i feel that 2 tanks working with av is more effective at stomping tank spam and responding with tank spam..we guardians need to pass down the how and why of being a guardian to the newer players so ccp doesnt accidentally over nerf tanks again Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1820	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:25:00 - [83] - Quote Question... What LAV fit were you using? Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1505	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:42:00 - [84] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: un fortunatley taka hiro u are 100% right av is fine avers are underpowered..we the older av vets who went through chromosome clearly need to pass our knowledge down i feel that 2 tanks working with av is more effective at stomping tank spam and responding with tank spam..we guardians need to pass down the how and why of being a guardian to the newer players so ccp doesnt accidentally over nerf tanks again All knowledge in the World isn't gonna help when you are defending a position against a tank. All this "Advice" consits of hiding or staying out of sight, then get him as he runs for the redline. What are you meant to do when you are expected to hold a position against a tank? You only have to hold it for a few minutes, you haven't got time to set up traps in the middle of the road, what are you supposed to do? For the good it's worth, we might as well have not bothered, just because they have a tank on the field. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2164	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:48:00 - [85] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. i did run around in the LAV against 4+ tanks yday, they kept calling them out its how i ended up with assists Problem is they went railgun so i couldnt get close enough Intelligence is OP
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2164	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:50:00 - [86] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Question... What LAV fit were you using? Overdrive with 2 armor reps on a methana, takes some punishment it does, can survive a FG hit and a rail and can speed away very nicely Also tried it with a couple of small turrets on mainly the missiles and railgun, didnt work that well small turret kep hitting the LAV and with the missle is went everywhere except at the target when moving Intelligence is OP
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1616	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:31:00 - [87] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Jastad wrote: i see, so you finally squad up with babar and accept his challenge... Not that we don't trust you but you know....Crutch user always lies to save their crutch Like i did it with babar, he hasnt even contacted me I did this on my own back just to see how hard it really it, with most having proto AV it shouldnt be a problem, the only way it would be difficult is with lower AV hence why if you have next to no AV a mlt tank is better I haven't contacted you? I invited you to "Rainbow Office" chat and I haven't seen you there yet. Anyways, 2 FGs and a LAV and a map With installations and such makes AV doable. You can drive around buildings etc and Ensure you get into optimum position and Catch the tanks unawares. And With the chance of bringing forth another "LOLAmbush" reply from you, I'd like to see you stop one of these 6 man Squads on the more open ambush maps. If you're not quick enough you'll never even get to Call in any vehicles. Anyways, I had several games yesterday where I took out 2 tanks in several game all alone, go proto RE's! So AV is definately doable, its just IMO very hard and frustrating. Especially considered I had to spend several 230K suits on average for each 70K militia tank I destroyed. But thats all in the past, I finally took the step and fitted 2 militia tanks myself, rail and blaster, Its for me chocking how much of an EZ mode tanking is. 70K tank and no skills and I instantly start to **** anything, well short of proper tanks... And then I realized I could even zoom in With the gun and hit multiple infantry at huge distances who all dropped like flies. I even shot Down a bunch of other scrub tanks With my rail. When infantry came too Close I simply stepped out and killed them and hopped back in again, just like fatty LLAV tryhard of the past. And when it got ugly its just to start an hardener and a speed boost and you're off. I have 5200 HP, hardener, and a speedbooster which practiacally makes me totally invoulnerable to anything but other rail tanks. All the swarms, nades and even RE scouts came at me in Waves and they all died. I understand now ES, I understand why you wanna keep it this way. One thing is for certain though, AV is dead for me, I'll stick With militia tanks instead, much cheaper and insanely more efficient. http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 371	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:32:00 - [88] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. Try ambush against 6 tanks, tell me you won, without deploying tanks. Ambush is a joke these days. Tried playing a few round just to get quick wins on my alt for the 12 days of Christmas. He who calls in the most tanks first wins. There is the initial tank battle in the other game modes but least you have the room to stay outta of the way. Still what ever side wins the initial tank fight generally wins the round in any mode. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 712	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:44:00 - [89] - Quote After dying for the 5th time in a full Proto AV suit, supported by Proto Forge and two other tanks, I finally managed to take a Madrugar out... Tanker went 30-1... Hail AV !!!!!
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 371	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:04:00 - [90] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. i did run around in the LAV against 4+ tanks yday, they kept calling them out its how i ended up with assists Problem is they went railgun so i couldnt get close enough Oh so it's not nearly as effective as you'd like people to believe. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles



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