You had to put all that effort with an expensive fit and three people, while I could have done it in a militia tank AND not lose my anti infantry capabilities

This only proves one point: Tanker vs AV is EXTREMELY unbalanced effort wise

You are not forced

You can still solo

Your right you can still solo, if the tanker is AFK or has the IQ of a 2 year old child.

Though to be fair, that encompasses a vast majority of them.

Your word means nothing and all of your witnesses I've seen so far seem to either be your buddies or otherwise bias people.

It seems all you want to do is talk smack and make excuses. Can't be hassled to put a turret on your LAV so you can have someone ride along to prove you right? That just shows how afraid you are of being proven wrong.

It wouldn't.

See tankers have this "special" kind of logic that makes them believe that only heavies should be able to take out vehicles simply because their vehicle has the word HEAVY in it.

On another note, if only heavies should kill "heavies"; then we need to nerf the Shotgun and Nova Knife.

So then if they have the IQ of a 2 year old child why are most AV players not killing them?

Whats to say the rules are the same with infantry and vehicles?

The rules of combat are very different. Tanks are jump in jump out now. If a videogame followed one rule it would be very boring.
Maybe CCP actually is intending heavies to take out tanks. That one of the major points of the class isn't it?

I find that most mlt tanks which kill tanks are with the rail, high dmg/range and rof

Using a blaster mlt tank is meh tbh but the dmg mods can make a big diff to any tank its just its defences can be meh, i can kill with a blaster but generally i have to get the jump on them and sometimes i have to run, with my alt i have no tank skills

Even tho the tank is faster moving than your heavy, its why i used a LAV, can cover more ground and go through places that tanks cant and can easily get behind them without them seeing me and if you are a good driver you have no problem survivng most of the time

As for ambush dont play it and its whoever spams the tank in 1st win since if they have the ground they will whack it before the bolas drops it

They are.

It's the people who actually know how to drive that are theoretically impossible to kill with conventional AV.

But that's okay. Your "special" after all.

Binding two people in proto stuff + vehicle to kill one guy in milita tank.

Can someone explain me why people think that is ok?

If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players?

Definitely the Rail HAV is the best AV device at the moment IMO.

I don't really like to use the LAV for movement with my FG fit for that I have my sqd place uplinks in choke points and spawn quickly before bugging out. The problem with the LAV is than while you say it's it's easy to get around and behind them it is very visible to any Tanker with half a brain i.e big old RDV dropping something off hmmm wonder if it's a HAV.... nope LAV better watch out for Suicide LAV's and then the second you get out of it you're vulnerable to small arms fire whereas in the SIca you're immune and you just need to sneak around the redline until you get a shot at them or run away if they get a shot at you.

On that point it should be noted if you have to face off against an HAV you nearly always die as a FG user since you can't run away at any speed sure you might be lucky and hope your LAV doesn't get blown up but I doubt it.

Soooo Proto FG fit vs Sica I still take the FG fit most of the time because I refuse to give in and like it but in pubs grinding ISK vs the HAV swarm the only viable way to hunt HAVs and still make a profit is the SIca which I have no skills in.

And no major offence intended by the next statement but whatever, don't for a second think that because you went 1 night rolling AV against some single or double HAV teams that AV is fine come back when you encounter a full 4 or 5 Pro HAV convoy rolling in and out of a city murdering everyone while the rest of your team tries to do something with what AV they can field before the infantry murder them. Then keep encountering them match after match and then tell me AV is balanced, sure 1 or 2 clever tanker vs 3 or 6 clever AV is a great battle but 4 or 5 clever tankers and say 10 infantry camping spawns vs 12 or 15 AV and 1 infantry not so good.

But don't worry the Nerf is on it's way and those delicious WP's for vehicle damage will be a great addition to the AV team!!!

The tanker is bull****ing
It's like everytime we say that we take out a miltia tank and survive matches of worth of AV, you don't believe.
Also its amazing that you think it reasonable to use teamwork, but at any point were you actually Assaulted by these tanks?

Did you actually kill them at a time where it made more of difference than just to the tankers wallet?
How many did you get when it mattered?

By your OP - 0

Pre 1.7 all proto AV did was at least 3k per shot swarms and 2k plus for a FG and mlt tanks were worse then than they are now so if they were that good i would have seen them in PC for example or even videos of the OP MLT tanks surviving pre 1.7 swarms

Also the tank kills were within the 1st 10mins, we spawned with proto FG suits at the start and got the LAV in and chased em down and got rid of them, won most of the game that night when we cleared the field

In the LAV was me and spkr

Did I mention pre 1.7? No.
So you killed a couple of mlt tanks, not doing anything, tben proceeded to pull out your own tanks nd stomp them?
And you believe tanks are fine?

And I can still solo tanks. So what? so AV is ok right? NO. Most dumb up post I read in awhile. Sprk put you up to it? So what your saying is not that it takes TEAM to take out one tank BUT that if you have enough TIN CANS on the field then it makes up for the loss of the AV team?

So in the end it comes down to who can field in more tanks. AND THAT IS STUPID. This is not an RTS.

It took 2ppl but i was in a 5man group, general communication between the 5 of us is OP because we called out stuff to each other like locations of tanks and infantry etc

And no your still wrong, i ve seen 6man squads each field a tank in skirmish/domo and still lose because the infantry got hammered and couldnt hack the points

Serious questions OP what was your fit? both lav and dropsuit


How many times did you die to infantry?

But your not seeing at HOW will this help retention? Force everyone to join a corp after acedemy? No **** that communication is the key to winning, and teamwork. that was true before tank spam. hence why prostomps happen.


But you can't force randoms to play a specific way. and that's why it's more then just if my proto ass self can solo tanks. not if the new young ins are getting slaughter by em.

There already gimped the new players or mid tier players by us vets, and old clans. Now they are gimped more by tank spam. unless they themselves are forced to jump in a tank just to compete. And that's not cool.