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Snagman 313
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Posted - 2014.01.07 15:13:00 -
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Looks at thread waves other mercs past.
"Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!"
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Snagman 313
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Posted - 2014.01.07 15:28:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Snagman 313 wrote:Looks at thread waves other mercs past.
"Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players?
That my 88k Soma is awesome at mullering infantry and 79k Sica is better for knocking out other tanks than my double complex dmg modded Ishukone AFG AK.0 fit at 187k.
I certainly didn't say I don't run HAVs just that I don't like the current amounts in Ambush and the Militia HAV effectiveness for the price thats all. I also won't deny that the Maddies and Gunnloggis needed a buff bad but honestly something needs to change.
Your retort sir!
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Snagman 313
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Posted - 2014.01.07 17:04:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Snagman 313 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Snagman 313 wrote:Looks at thread waves other mercs past.
"Nothing to see here folks just a Tanker saying he's running AV to prove it's fine, get back to work calling for a tank nerf!!!" If a tanker can run AV and kill tanks what does that say about the AV players? That my 88k Soma is awesome at mullering infantry and 79k Sica is better for knocking out other tanks than my double complex dmg modded Ishukone AFG AK.0 fit at 187k. I certainly didn't say I don't run HAVs just that I don't like the current amounts in Ambush and the Militia HAV effectiveness for the price thats all. I also won't deny that the Maddies and Gunnloggis needed a buff bad but honestly something needs to change. Your retort sir! I find that most mlt tanks which kill tanks are with the rail, high dmg/range and rof Using a blaster mlt tank is meh tbh but the dmg mods can make a big diff to any tank its just its defences can be meh, i can kill with a blaster but generally i have to get the jump on them and sometimes i have to run, with my alt i have no tank skills Even tho the tank is faster moving than your heavy, its why i used a LAV, can cover more ground and go through places that tanks cant and can easily get behind them without them seeing me and if you are a good driver you have no problem survivng most of the time As for ambush dont play it and its whoever spams the tank in 1st win since if they have the ground they will whack it before the bolas drops it
Definitely the Rail HAV is the best AV device at the moment IMO.
I don't really like to use the LAV for movement with my FG fit for that I have my sqd place uplinks in choke points and spawn quickly before bugging out. The problem with the LAV is than while you say it's it's easy to get around and behind them it is very visible to any Tanker with half a brain i.e big old RDV dropping something off hmmm wonder if it's a HAV.... nope LAV better watch out for Suicide LAV's and then the second you get out of it you're vulnerable to small arms fire whereas in the SIca you're immune and you just need to sneak around the redline until you get a shot at them or run away if they get a shot at you.
On that point it should be noted if you have to face off against an HAV you nearly always die as a FG user since you can't run away at any speed sure you might be lucky and hope your LAV doesn't get blown up but I doubt it.
Soooo Proto FG fit vs Sica I still take the FG fit most of the time because I refuse to give in and like it but in pubs grinding ISK vs the HAV swarm the only viable way to hunt HAVs and still make a profit is the SIca which I have no skills in.
And no major offence intended by the next statement but whatever, don't for a second think that because you went 1 night rolling AV against some single or double HAV teams that AV is fine come back when you encounter a full 4 or 5 Pro HAV convoy rolling in and out of a city murdering everyone while the rest of your team tries to do something with what AV they can field before the infantry murder them. Then keep encountering them match after match and then tell me AV is balanced, sure 1 or 2 clever tanker vs 3 or 6 clever AV is a great battle but 4 or 5 clever tankers and say 10 infantry camping spawns vs 12 or 15 AV and 1 infantry not so good.
But don't worry the Nerf is on it's way and those delicious WP's for vehicle damage will be a great addition to the AV team!!!
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Snagman 313
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Posted - 2014.01.07 18:00:00 -
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I find the LAV is easier because the heavy is so slow and cumbersome, the LAV is also used as a quick escape and generally most pilots see a LAV and ignore it when it escapes and if they dont see it they think if may have been killed or even recalled
I cant use spawn points because if it goes up **** creek or the HAV sees me i cant excatly move fast and escape plus it puts me on the ground with infantry, at least a LAV can be a shield and escape point
Im doing this again for the next few nights, so far so good[/quote]
Fair enough you got your way I've got mine but it's something you should consider I've been doing this for a while and AV is apparently a team sport.
If you come across treadnaughters in game be sure to get footage or at least names of the Tankers so the folks can check in or they won't believe you but I think if you ran ambush you might get a taste of a why they HAV nerf is being called for. Especially since I have such a huge amount of SP sunk into my AV gear whereas if I run my mlt Sica I do sooo much better and I'm a crap tanker TBH.
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Snagman 313
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Posted - 2014.01.07 18:58:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:I find the LAV is easier because the heavy is so slow and cumbersome, the LAV is also used as a quick escape and generally most pilots see a LAV and ignore it when it escapes and if they dont see it they think if may have been killed or even recalled I cant use spawn points because if it goes up **** creek or the HAV sees me i cant excatly move fast and escape plus it puts me on the ground with infantry, at least a LAV can be a shield and escape point Im doing this again for the next few nights, so far so good
Fair enough you got your way I've got mine but it's something you should consider I've been doing this for a while and AV is apparently a team sport.
If you come across treadnaughters in game be sure to get footage or at least names of the Tankers so the folks can check in or they won't believe you but I think if you ran ambush you might get a taste of a why they HAV nerf is being called for. Especially since I have such a huge amount of SP sunk into my AV gear whereas if I run my mlt Sica I do sooo much better and I'm a crap tanker TBH.
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I had the FG for months, i know how to use it
As for lolambush i dont play it, its all about who can call in as many tanks as possible in that mode because once they are in the enemy cant get anything in and if the same ambush tankers went into any other mode they would hammered off the map and lose so many tanks they would quit and go back to ambush [/quote]
Months sure yeah that makes you competent Forge gunner but you're still fairy fresh in the AV world and you can't like or lump different game modes in wether Hav's or their pilots are good or not, you need to include ambush even if you deem it beneath you as it's where all the new players started in fact we all started there.
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Snagman 313
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Posted - 2014.01.07 22:01:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:If I accept the veracity of Takahiro's post then tanks must magically make people smarter. AV players are not successful because they are stupid and bad players, yet a dedicated AV'er who goes 2/10 as an AV'er can call in a tank and easily go 10/2, this must be because the tank made him smarter. It is funny how in 1.6 tankers were getting destroyed but they weren't stupid but now we have the reverse and it is all player incompetency. Sorry, Takahiro's but you arguments only hurt the credibility of tankers and their legitimate concerns that a nerf axe rather than a nerf scalpel is coming. I think the consensus is that there is a problem with the hardeners and with the speed of tanks. Adjust those and award WP for damage and I think we are going to be close to where we should be.
Shhhhh bud you're giving the game away let him dig that big old hole!
I mean he's already admitted that Ambush is broken with Tanks so step 1 is complete.
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Snagman 313
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:44:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Jastad wrote:i see, so you finally squad up with babar and accept his challenge... Not that we don't trust you but you know....Crutch user always lies to save their crutch Like i did it with babar, he hasnt even contacted me I did this on my own back just to see how hard it really it, with most having proto AV it shouldnt be a problem, the only way it would be difficult is with lower AV hence why if you have next to no AV a mlt tank is better I haven't contacted you? I invited you to "Rainbow Office" chat and I haven't seen you there yet. Anyways, 2 FGs and a LAV and a map With installations and such makes AV doable. You can drive around buildings etc and Ensure you get into optimum position and Catch the tanks unawares. And With the chance of bringing forth another "LOLAmbush" reply from you, I'd like to see you stop one of these 6 man Squads on the more open ambush maps. If you're not quick enough you'll never even get to Call in any vehicles. Anyways, I had several games yesterday where I took out 2 tanks in several game all alone, go proto RE's! So AV is definately doable, its just IMO very hard and frustrating. Especially considered I had to spend several 230K suits on average for each 70K militia tank I destroyed. But thats all in the past, I finally took the step and fitted 2 militia tanks myself, rail and blaster, Its for me chocking how much of an EZ mode tanking is. 70K tank and no skills and I instantly start to **** anything, well short of proper tanks... And then I realized I could even zoom in With the gun and hit multiple infantry at huge distances who all dropped like flies. I even shot Down a bunch of other scrub tanks With my rail. When infantry came too Close I simply stepped out and killed them and hopped back in again, just like fatty LLAV tryhard of the past. And when it got ugly its just to start an hardener and a speed boost and you're off. I have 5200 HP, hardener, and a speedbooster which practiacally makes me totally invoulnerable to anything but other rail tanks. All the swarms, nades and even RE scouts came at me in Waves and they all died. I understand now ES, I understand why you wanna keep it this way. One thing is for certain though, AV is dead for me, I'll stick With militia tanks instead, much cheaper and insanely more efficient.
I think Barbar has nailed it!!!
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Snagman 313
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:47:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:I can kill tanks with my plasma cannon, av nades and prox mines, that doesn't mean they are balanced in any way shape or form. Run around in your LAV in proto gear when there are 6 red tanks on the field then see how you do. i did run around in the LAV against 4+ tanks yday, they kept calling them out its how i ended up with assists Problem is they went railgun so i couldnt get close enough Oh so it's not nearly as effective as you'd like people to believe. The tanks died due to my help, that is effective in my book and they all went rail because if they went missile/blaster they got taken down so all they could do was go and use range from the redline, they put me out the game so i went infantry and capped/defended points
Proof or names that you helped redline a 6 man HAV squad or it didn't happen Takahiro, remember you're the one trying to prove to us that AV is working as intended from a Tankers point of view.
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Snagman 313
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Posted - 2014.01.08 16:30:00 -
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Proof or names that you helped redline a 6 man HAV squad or it didn't happen Takahiro, remember you're the one trying to prove to us that AV is working as intended from a Tankers point of view. [/quote]
I cant remember who i killed from 12hrs ago
Also they were a 4+man, not sure about 6 but we stopped them bringing in tanks into the field and instead they went rail
This AV thing was more for me rarther than AV, i have AV and i wanted to see how bad it was so did a little bit of a challenge which is ongoing and i happen to stick it on the forums and annoy ppl [/quote]
So you're not trying to prove that AV is viable even though your a tanker and a HAV nerf is incoming?
I would have though that it might have been in your interest to try and show the AV and infantry community how to tackle tanks for a reasonable profit/loss margin so that any incoming nerf might be somewhat mitigated.
I should not be terribly surprised at this really Snake but honestly there are some good Tankers out there really trying to be civil about this and looking for a solution, I see you're just as bad as you were in the Missile tank crisis.
I'll fall back to my first post.
"Move along guys nothing to see here!!! Just a Tanker trying to say AV is fine, get back to work calling for an HAV nerf"
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