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8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1251	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:11:00 - [31] - Quote In the 5 days I've played 1.7 I've destroyed more tanks than the rest of my previous DUST career combined. Yes, most tankers on the field are stupid, because they aren't actual tankers. They are people using FoTM exploits. People who realize that it's cheaper and more efficient to use tanks over dropsuits. The problem is, you can destroy 10+ tanks in a game, and more just keep coming. Dealing with 6 tanks at a time, non-stop is lunacy. One session of you playing a few noobs and getting lucky doesn't represent the entire situation. Fish in a bucket!
ZiwZih Seraphim Initiative.. 318	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:15:00 - [32] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Or, perhaps, I'm the one who was good and managed to outsmart the tankers? Can't be possible though, since all tankers are apparently omnipotent, and any one that dies is terrible. No only Mr Zitro was Omnipotent. Tanker. Mr. Wait... ZEN 514
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2994	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:23:00 - [33] - Quote Elmo Love U wrote: Killed 4 proto tanks yesterday. 3 sets of remotes, one suit. Jumped off tower,landed on roof. Click click pull. No such thing as a Proto tank, now I know you are lying. My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2994	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:25:00 - [34] - Quote Xender17 wrote: I easily destroy tanks as well. People hardly use there brains anymore. If its glowing don't freaken attack. Tanks were directly changed so they were forced into this new combat style. And this combat style is exactly what CCP intended. AV however is not changing because the players simply don't want to and they are losing because of it. You don't go off using a sniper rifle as a shotgun in this game. Here's the thing, tankers run 2-3 hardeners on and leave the second they start running out of hardeners. So unless AV can suddenly go to the redline than it is just not worth it. My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1579	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:29:00 - [35] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Pssst. Gimmie 2 eq. slots on my Gal Scout. And the cloak. We'll be seeing real QQ then lol. What, need another crutch? Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1579	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:30:00 - [36] - Quote Atiim wrote: Drunk troll is Drunk? No, tanker is better than you'll ever be. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1579	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:31:00 - [37] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Eltra Ardell wrote: tl;dr: I played against braindead cargo culters and am wondering why I did well. Get a ladder and get on my level. Say what you will. There's a pile of dead tanks under my feet, and it's thanks to standard AV grenades. Go against tankers with a brain then come and say you can destroy tanks with standard av grenades. Either they were horrible or you're lying. Oh, so now it's good tankers. First, it's "ERRRMAGERRD, these MLT tankers are way OP!!!" Now, it's "try it on good tankers." Do you even have a consistent argument? Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1579	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:35:00 - [38] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Eltra Ardell wrote: tl;dr: I played against braindead cargo culters and am wondering why I did well. Get a ladder and get on my level. Say what you will. There's a pile of dead tanks under my feet, and it's thanks to standard AV grenades. Go against tankers with a brain then come and say you can destroy tanks with standard av grenades. Either they were horrible or you're lying. Or, perhaps, I'm the one who was good and managed to outsmart the tankers? Can't be possible though, since all tankers are apparently omnipotent, and any one that dies is terrible. Nope but I can tell you that I have been riding around in tanks since two days after 1.7 was released and have yet to be destroyed by AV grenades let alone standard ones. Also I can soak up lots of proto swarm and proto forge gun rounds without having to retreat. So yea I think any tanker with a brain can go against someone with standard AV grenades no problem. All that with 0 sp. So yet again, a mainline infantryman using a FOTM. I bet the only time you take out a MLT tank is when your team has the enemy team redlined, so while you can factually state that you haven't lost one to AV grenades, the conditions under which you can say that are pitiful. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1579	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:39:00 - [39] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: So yea, my brother got me back for the PS3 I gave him about a month ago by getting me a new one. Decided to log onto my 4.7m SP alt to see what all the tank QQ is about. Holy ** you guys must be terrible AV'ers. In just about every round I played, I managed to get close enough to a tank (using my STD / ADV Minmatar Logi) to drop a nanohive and, if not set everything on fire, managed to blow up tank after tank with standard AV grenades. Standard. ****. Grenades. No SP in vehicles or any form of AV weaponry. Doesn't even have all of his core skills up to snuff. Still managed to make tanks run away like a bat outta hell, or blow up the ones too stupid to move. Had other people been throwing AV grenades, there'd be a lot more dead tanks than there are now. I will admit that militia tanks are way too efficient for their price, but good god, you AV'ers had it so good for so long. Is the river of tears being formed from the fact that you have no idea what to do with yourselves now that tanks may require a bit more effort to blow up than sneezing in their general direction? I was basing my earlier posts on what I was reading from other people when I said that a tank should be easily killed by other tanks, but seriously, if a 4.7m logi with standard grenades and some semblance of game knowledge can do it, why the hell are you crying with your proficiency 5 forge? I love how people are actually trying to argue this post. Like I said in another thread, I've dropped 4 tanks so far with Militia Swarms. It is literally* as easy as just waiting for their Hardeners to go down. You have a brain? Why are you in RND? Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2699	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:40:00 - [40] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Drunk troll is Drunk? No, tanker is better than you'll ever be. Are you implying that tanking requires "skill"? We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1579	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:41:00 - [41] - Quote Elmo Love U wrote: Killed 4 proto tanks yesterday. 3 sets of remotes, one suit. Jumped off tower,landed on roof. Click click pull. We don't have PRO tanks. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1579	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:42:00 - [42] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Killing ** tankers in tanks with AV doesn't mean . <-- and for clarity, all 4 of those censored words are the "s word". "oh look, I am running against horrible players in horrible tanks who know nothing about tanks or tank strategy and I can manage to kill a few of them with basic AV! GASP!**" Here's the deal - if a tanker is at least smarter than a prune, he runs stacked hardners or stacked reps. If he's smarter than a gnat, he knows not to get close enough to infantry to get in range AV grenades or RE's unless there is infantry or another tank backing it up. If he's at least semi competent with gaming in general, he'll stay in 3rd person whenever possible to make sure no one is sneaking up to toss RE's on him. And if he's at least semi competent at Dust, he runs nitro boosters and makes sure to park where he has a clear path to book it when he starts taking damage. If any tanker you killed was at LEAST semi competent and knew even the SLIGHTEST BIT what he was doing when fitting his tank, you'd not have gotten a single tank kill with basic AV. You obviously have no idea what you are saying, and I am honestly now stupider for taking the time to even try to explain this to someone who could write something like this when killing off such BS vehicles and players. I guess you didn't read his whole post, which is not surprising for someone with the bare minimum intelligence to go infantry. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2699	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:42:00 - [43] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Elmo Love U wrote: Killed 4 proto tanks yesterday. 3 sets of remotes, one suit. Jumped off tower,landed on roof. Click click pull. We don't have PRO tanks. I believe he's referring to a tank with PRO Modules, such as a Turret. We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1579	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:43:00 - [44] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Look, at much as people want to fight the fact, when one certain item is constantly spammed by noobs and vets alike it can only mean 2 things: 1. It's new and everyone is having a laugh. The problem will sort itself out over time. 2. It's OP. Not enough time has passed to tell for sure. I don't believe tanks are OP but I do believe they are ruining the game for a lot of people. Personally, I have a nice AV fit. But I want to shoot face damnit. They're ruining the game for people because they need a squad of 6 PRO-stomping try-hards to win, and cannot be bothered to squad with 5 infantry and 1 tanker. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2699	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:45:00 - [45] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: They're ruining the game for people because they need a squad of 6 PRO-stomping try-hards to win, and cannot be bothered to squad with 5 infantry and 1 tanker. Why should anyone be forced to squad with a tanker? We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1579	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:46:00 - [46] - Quote 8213 wrote: In the 5 days I've played 1.7 I've destroyed more tanks than the rest of my previous DUST career combined. Yes, most tankers on the field are stupid, because they aren't actual tankers. They are people using FoTM exploits. People who realize that it's cheaper and more efficient to use tanks over dropsuits. The problem is, you can destroy 10+ tanks in a game, and more just keep coming. Dealing with 6 tanks at a time, non-stop is lunacy. One session of you playing a few noobs and getting lucky doesn't represent the entire situation. So you can't deal with 6 tanks that don't know where you're firing from? Or do you try it with blaster so all of them know where you are? Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Suanar Daranaus Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 98	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:55:00 - [47] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Enjoying the plasma cannons newfound anti hav role. I have found the Plasma cannon Useless. Although I really stink at this game.
TunRa Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 278	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:59:00 - [48] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Standard AV nades? Well then they weren't exactly 5000hp double armour hardenered madrugars then were they... they were most likely somas without hardeners, and the kind of tankers who sit still whilst farming infantry and then jump out when they're done. Some people put themselves out in the open and just let their time run out, they don't care. Guaranteed nobody who you played against was trying. The tank you described has no rep, so once his hardeners go down what is stopping you from killing him? Thanks CCP Foxfour
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 335	Posted - 2013.12.28 19:04:00 - [49] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Eltra Ardell wrote: tl;dr: I played against braindead cargo culters and am wondering why I did well. Get a ladder and get on my level. Say what you will. There's a pile of dead tanks under my feet, and it's thanks to standard AV grenades. Go against tankers with a brain then come and say you can destroy tanks with standard av grenades. Either they were horrible or you're lying. Or, perhaps, I'm the one who was good and managed to outsmart the tankers? Can't be possible though, since all tankers are apparently omnipotent, and any one that dies is terrible. Welcome back bud, but in all fairness, outsmarting a rock is what you did by the sound of it. I'm not one that agrees with the QQing about tank spam as in the main it's fun to go hunting noob tankers, but claiming what you did was skillful with the auld nanohives and grenades trick, basics at that, is like going around saying how great ya are by beating a one legged person in a sprint. Nice troll
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 335	Posted - 2013.12.28 19:10:00 - [50] - Quote Now if ya said ya went out there with flux and swarms, plasma cannon and remotes, etc., I'd tip my hat to ya.

Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 1821	Posted - 2013.12.28 19:27:00 - [51] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: So yea, my brother got me back for the PS3 I gave him about a month ago by getting me a new one. Decided to log onto my 4.7m SP alt to see what all the tank QQ is about. Holy ** you guys must be terrible AV'ers. In just about every round I played, I managed to get close enough to a tank (using my STD / ADV Minmatar Logi) to drop a nanohive and, if not set everything on fire, managed to blow up tank after tank with standard AV grenades. Standard. ****. Grenades. No SP in vehicles or any form of AV weaponry. Doesn't even have all of his core skills up to snuff. Still managed to make tanks run away like a bat outta hell, or blow up the ones too stupid to move. Had other people been throwing AV grenades, there'd be a lot more dead tanks than there are now. I will admit that militia tanks are way too efficient for their price, but good god, you AV'ers had it so good for so long. Is the river of tears being formed from the fact that you have no idea what to do with yourselves now that tanks may require a bit more effort to blow up than sneezing in their general direction? I was basing my earlier posts on what I was reading from other people when I said that a tank should be easily killed by other tanks, but seriously, if a 4.7m logi with standard grenades and some semblance of game knowledge can do it, why the hell are you crying with your proficiency 5 forge? Try using those Standard AV Grenades on my Gunnlogi. 725 0.4 * 0.8 damage lowered to about 0 after regen. FGs only get me if I stay still like an idiot and I can double harden and wipe them off the map along with most militia tanks and poorly fit standard tanks. Several forges firing at once, a well fit STD HAV, RE LAVs and my own idiocy still do me in a fair amount, though. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 267	Posted - 2013.12.28 19:27:00 - [52] - Quote TunRa wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Standard AV nades? Well then they weren't exactly 5000hp double armour hardenered madrugars then were they... they were most likely somas without hardeners, and the kind of tankers who sit still whilst farming infantry and then jump out when they're done. Some people put themselves out in the open and just let their time run out, they don't care. Guaranteed nobody who you played against was trying. The tank you described has no rep, so once his hardeners go down what is stopping you from killing him? Usually A. him being halfway across the map by the time that happens B. Another tank with hardners still active coming up and suppressing during his cooldown .... or C. Enemy Infantry looking for scraps ..... Mostly B or C. No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 884	Posted - 2013.12.28 20:01:00 - [53] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Killing ** tankers in tanks with AV doesn't mean . <-- and for clarity, all 4 of those censored words are the "s word". "oh look, I am running against horrible players in horrible tanks who know nothing about tanks or tank strategy and I can manage to kill a few of them with basic AV! GASP!" Here's the deal - if a tanker is at least smarter than a prune, he runs stacked hardners or stacked reps. If he's smarter than a gnat, he knows not to get close enough to infantry to get in range AV grenades or RE's unless there is infantry or another tank backing it up. If he's at least semi competent with gaming in general, he'll stay in 3rd person whenever possible to make sure no one is sneaking up to toss RE's on him. And if he's at least semi competent at Dust, he runs nitro boosters and makes sure to park where he has a clear path to book it when he starts taking damage. If any tanker you killed was at LEAST semi competent and knew even the SLIGHTEST BIT what he was doing when fitting his tank, you'd not have gotten a single tank kill with basic AV. You obviously have no idea what you are saying, and I am honestly now stupider for taking the time to even try to explain this to someone who could write something like this when killing off such BS vehicles and players. I guess you didn't read his whole post, which is not surprising for someone with the bare minimum intelligence to go infantry. Actually, I did. His basic premise, in his own words (snipped a bit for clarity), is: Quote:** Decided to log onto my 4.7m SP alt to see what all the tank QQ is about. [.....] In just about every round I played, I managed to get close enough to a tank [.....] to drop a nanohive and [.....] managed to blow up tank after tank with standard AV grenades. No SP in vehicles or any form of AV [.....] Still managed to make tanks run away [.....] or blow up the ones too stupid to move. [.....] if a 4.7m logi with standard grenades [.....] can do it, why the hell are you crying with your proficiency 5 forge? Apart from being generous enough to suggest that militia tanks might be too affordable for their effectiveness, there is no reason whatsoever to suggest anything other than what I said about his post. Perhaps you should re-read it. As for your attempt at cheap shots on my intelligence.... yeah.... Buff passive scans & fix TTK! My Closed Beta Alts - Overlord Ulath, Overlord Bosse, Overlord Zero
Roofer Madness Tickle My Null-Sac 721	Posted - 2013.12.28 20:51:00 - [54] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Look, at much as people want to fight the fact, when one certain item is constantly spammed by noobs and vets alike it can only mean 2 things: 1. It's new and everyone is having a laugh. The problem will sort itself out over time. 2. It's OP. Not enough time has passed to tell for sure. I don't believe tanks are OP but I do believe they are ruining the game for a lot of people. Personally, I have a nice AV fit. But I want to shoot face damnit. They're ruining the game for people because they need a squad of 6 PRO-stomping try-hards to win, and cannot be bothered to squad with 5 infantry and 1 tanker. Yeah, I agree. Having a tanker in the squad helps tremendously. But that's not always an option. And I like how you scoff at the 6 proto tryhards when tanks are the ultimate tryhards. I don't see people running for the redline to save their suits... The Dust 514 AFK song Plasma Cannon FTW
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2513	Posted - 2013.12.28 21:10:00 - [55] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Look, at much as people want to fight the fact, when one certain item is constantly spammed by noobs and vets alike it can only mean 2 things: 1. It's new and everyone is having a laugh. The problem will sort itself out over time. 2. It's OP. Not enough time has passed to tell for sure. I don't believe tanks are OP but I do believe they are ruining the game for a lot of people. Personally, I have a nice AV fit. But I want to shoot face damnit. They're ruining the game for people because they need a squad of 6 PRO-stomping try-hards to win, and cannot be bothered to squad with 5 infantry and 1 tanker. Yeah, I agree. Having a tanker in the squad helps tremendously. But that's not always an option. And I like how you scoff at the 6 proto tryhards when tanks are the ultimate tryhards. I don't see people running for the redline to save their suits... You deserve a +1 for that lol although I have seen proto suits go and change their suit to a cheaper one at a supply depot when I've almost killed them.
Munin-Frey Fish Spotters Inc. 39	Posted - 2013.12.28 21:17:00 - [56] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Eltra Ardell wrote: tl;dr: I played against braindead cargo culters and am wondering why I did well. Get a ladder and get on my level. Say what you will. There's a pile of dead tanks under my feet, and it's thanks to standard AV grenades. Go against tankers with a brain then come and say you can destroy tanks with standard av grenades. Either they were horrible or you're lying. This
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 337	Posted - 2013.12.28 21:20:00 - [57] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: So yea, my brother got me back for the PS3 I gave him about a month ago by getting me a new one. Decided to log onto my 4.7m SP alt to see what all the tank QQ is about. Holy ** you guys must be terrible AV'ers. In just about every round I played, I managed to get close enough to a tank (using my STD / ADV Minmatar Logi) to drop a nanohive and, if not set everything on fire, managed to blow up tank after tank with standard AV grenades. Standard. ****. Grenades. No SP in vehicles or any form of AV weaponry. Doesn't even have all of his core skills up to snuff. Still managed to make tanks run away like a bat outta hell, or blow up the ones too stupid to move. Had other people been throwing AV grenades, there'd be a lot more dead tanks than there are now. I will admit that militia tanks are way too efficient for their price, but good god, you AV'ers had it so good for so long. Is the river of tears being formed from the fact that you have no idea what to do with yourselves now that tanks may require a bit more effort to blow up than sneezing in their general direction? I was basing my earlier posts on what I was reading from other people when I said that a tank should be easily killed by other tanks, but seriously, if a 4.7m logi with standard grenades and some semblance of game knowledge can do it, why the hell are you crying with your proficiency 5 forge? I love how people are actually trying to argue this post. Like I said in another thread, I've dropped 4 tanks so far with Militia Swarms. It is literally* as easy as just waiting for their Hardeners to go down. Lol, you've actually turned yourself into an idiot with your above statement. Just because either you, the OP, others, managed to take out some tanks with cheap gear, is NOT indicative of the general basic skill level of tankers, be they part-time or fulltime. It's absolute stupidity to suggest militia swarms, or basic grenades paired with a nanohive, are effective AV options. Just because ye managed to take out some thumb suckers!!!! Ye lot have played this game long enough to know better. There are plenty of effective low SP and ISK options for popping tanks, try learning them.
Munin-Frey Fish Spotters Inc. 40	Posted - 2013.12.28 21:29:00 - [58] - Quote Suanar Daranaus wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Enjoying the plasma cannons newfound anti hav role. I have found the Plasma cannon Useless. Although I really stink at this game. The plasma cannon can be used but only in conjunction with something else... Tanks are too fast to get a second shot off unless they are stupid. Also, they can't be shooting you or else you will die and they will live. Tanks currently can be killed by: 1) other tanks 2) dumb tankers/luck 3) a team of AV infantry 4) somebody who doesn't mind playing several matches running around setting up traps and generally wasting time to get a solo tank kill rather than just getting into their own tank. It doesn't matter what kind of AV you are using some are better than others depending on circumstance. The PLC is best against shield tanks before the hardeners are on. PLC = long reload times, low amount of ammo, high alpha, splash for infantry, dumbfire, no blue target on you, high CPU to fit, and a very slow projectile that drops over distance.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1581	Posted - 2013.12.28 22:14:00 - [59] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: They're ruining the game for people because they need a squad of 6 PRO-stomping try-hards to win, and cannot be bothered to squad with 5 infantry and 1 tanker. Why should anyone be forced to squad with a tanker? Then be destroyed by a squad of tankers. Not my problem. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1581	Posted - 2013.12.28 22:22:00 - [60] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Drunk troll is Drunk? No, tanker is better than you'll ever be. Are you implying that tanking requires "skill"? For you, it was always "I take out tanks with my AV," yet you had access to a Madrugar and some turrets, which implies you were so bad at tanking that the only you could destroy one was with AV. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway



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