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ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 673	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:04:00 - [1] - Quote eve had no training wheels.... so why would dust have any... you can't look at a company like ccp and compare them to a the makers of say COD or BF. ccp don't plan for today. they plan for 5-10 years time. a steady player base is what ccp aims for and adds things later to gradually increase it. a massive influx would just cause more issues than it fixes. this idea only stands to alienate most of the community from each other which goes against everything ccp games are about. with your plan: 1)all mercs below pro status would not be able to do FW or PC at all.(reason being that in order to play these matches they would have to be matched with other players of a different level which your idea does not allow) 2)corps will not be able to scout for new players as they would never see any. 3)you now have pro's training against pro's honing their skills. all these noobs/adv players would be walking into a kill fest. they would not stand a chance. at the moment alot of pro's train against weaker targets and that only makes people lazy. going up against pro's all the time would only make the gap even bigger for those just joining the ranks. 4)corps can no longer play with their corp mates because some have more sp than others. we have some awesome <5mil sp guys rolling with the 20+million+ crew. they would no longer be able to do that with your idea. i understand where your coming from but there is a bigger picture here you have missed entirely https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 673	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:23:00 - [2] - Quote Princess Abi-Hime wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Fool dont you know dust should have basically the same new player experience as eve? On eve you are canonfodder till you get decent ships and modules. Till then you are just screwed and have to endulge in beeing stomped 24/7. No you don't, you can stay in highsec as long as you want and be relatively safe. They even have good tutorials. Don't call others a fool then spew ignorance. 9 years for a good enougth tutorial. Doesn't mean someone with a 10year old account won't come upto you in that tutorial and blow the s**t out of u https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 676	Posted - 2013.12.28 12:41:00 - [3] - Quote idea is bad in many many more ways than it is good. go back to the drawing board because this idea is just bad in so many ways just incase you missed it ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: with your plan: 1)all mercs below pro status would not be able to do FW or PC at all.(reason being that in order to play these matches they would have to be matched with other players of a different level which your idea does not allow) 2)corps will not be able to scout for new players as they would never see any. 3)you now have pro's training against pro's honing their skills. all these noobs/adv players would be walking into a kill fest. they would not stand a chance. at the moment alot of pro's train against weaker targets and that only makes people lazy. going up against pro's all the time would only make the gap even bigger for those just joining the ranks. 4)corps can no longer play with their corp mates because some have more sp than others. we have some awesome <5mil sp guys rolling with the 20+million+ crew. they would no longer be able to do that with your idea. plenty of reasons why this wont wonk https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 676	Posted - 2013.12.28 13:43:00 - [4] - Quote NomaDz 2K wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Split the players up. I know you've said you don't want to do that because of the small player base but by keeping everyone together you are hurting and severely reducing the new player influx. I've introduced 6 of my friends to Dust and all of them loved it until they left the academy. After a few day of me trying to coach them up and help them find a role they'd like they all quit because they got tried of getting destroyed every game by players like me who have 20+ million SP. I would love to be grouped up with and against full teams of other prototype players, It would mean more competitive matches. Its why I love PC, everyone has proto which means the winner is determined by skill, teamwork, and tactics also lag. New players ---------> 0 - 5 million SP Advanced Players --> 5 - 10 Million SP Veterans Players ---> 10 Million + SP Also to help player development accelerate SP gains in the first 2 levels New Players ---------> 2x Current SP gains Advanced Players --> 1.5x Current SP gains Veteran Players -----> Current SP gains This will grow player base by allowing new players to stay competitive against each other and also allow them to reach levels that allow them to compete with veterans sooner. /Signed AgreeD , even suggested something similar in the past highlighted in Bold BUT CCP WON'T DO !T . All I know is that I had alot of people involved with dust which probably only 10% play it now and again... ccp wont do it because it wont work https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 676	Posted - 2013.12.28 14:12:00 - [5] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: idea is bad in many many more ways than it is good. go back to the drawing board because this idea is just bad in so many ways just incase you missed it ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: with your plan: 1)all mercs below pro status would not be able to do FW or PC at all.(reason being that in order to play these matches they would have to be matched with other players of a different level which your idea does not allow) 2)corps will not be able to scout for new players as they would never see any. 3)you now have pro's training against pro's honing their skills. all these noobs/adv players would be walking into a kill fest. they would not stand a chance. at the moment alot of pro's train against weaker targets and that only makes people lazy. going up against pro's all the time would only make the gap even bigger for those just joining the ranks. 4)corps can no longer play with their corp mates because some have more sp than others. we have some awesome <5mil sp guys rolling with the 20+million+ crew. they would no longer be able to do that with your idea. plenty of reasons why this wont wonk In case you missed it adam stlcarlos989 wrote: Thats why you keep some game modes that are free for all at any skill level or gear level. My point was to give the players who aren't skilled enough to compete against people of higher SP to play against others at similar levels. It also allows vets who enjoy the challenge to face other protos. Its not that much fun destroying militia suits in my protogear, but taking out other protos is the best. thats the whole point. they are meant to be free for all. i know players who use nothing but standard and mlt with 5mil or less sp and they kill protos all day long. at the same time i know 20mil+ players who have less sp skilled into a single role than most low sp players who skilled into a singular purpose. how do you balance that. you seem to neglect the fact someone with 5mil sp can proto out an assault suit quite easily. where does that leave your idea. you only have to look at the current academy to see peoples alts already doing this to some extent. sp is not a balancing factor to base balances like this on as everyone spends it differently. sure we need more gameplay modes but your suggestion is not a new game play mode. its a blanket restriction to all gameplay based on something arbitrary like current sp total. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 676	Posted - 2013.12.28 16:33:00 - [6] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: You don't seem to get it, It doesn't have to be SP based it can be WP based or kill total based or whatever. The point is to keep new players together until they can compete because what we have now is killing new player retention. Also you mentioned corps not being able to recruit new players that they would never see..... make a recruiter alt.... PSN's are free. sp wont work as i stated above wp wont work because they fluctuate too much. you have good days and you have bad days and if you logibro i.e not killing you end up with more point than the killers so that defeats the whole purpose of basing it on wp. kdr is one of the most messed up stats on the leaderboard. how can anyone consider using that as a means to balance. total kills is also not a balance factor because some play more than others or have good or bad days. you talk about retention like dust is dieing but its far from that. dust is no different than eve. its a harsh universe and you either fight through it or you die. you don't demand ccp to hold your hand and guide you through it. thats just stupid and goes against everything that makes eve good and when all the content is out will make dust great too. what happens if ccp implements anything like your idea and gains thousands of new players. what happens when the training wheels are removed and people see the true harshness of dust and eve. they will drop by the thousands only they will take their friends with them and create masses of negative media attention and that will truely kill dust. if your friends cant handle the pain then they are in the wrong game. this is not cod or BF with zero consequences where everyone is in the exact same gear with the exact same skill. this is meant to a harsh environment to create great combat and gameplay. dumbing it down and making it safe to play is pointless also your suggestion of making alts for recruiting. its one thing to see a noob succeed against extreme odds against a proto swarm but how do you measure a good player when he is up against weaker or similar targets. if you want the best you need to see them at their best. how would having an alt in the lower and mid levels help me determine if that guy is any good when the odds are too balanced. it hardly makes for an epic war game when you never have to worry about the unknown or what the next guy might do. when i started out after fanfest i was massively out skilled yet i kept hitting the proto stompers hard and it only made me better for it. if i was up against similar players the game would be boring and pointless to play and likely i wouldn't be where i am today. good soldiers are forged in fire. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 676	Posted - 2013.12.28 16:52:00 - [7] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: You don't seem to get it, It doesn't have to be SP based it can be WP based or kill total based or whatever. The point is to keep new players together until they can compete because what we have now is killing new player retention. Also you mentioned corps not being able to recruit new players that they would never see..... make a recruiter alt.... PSN's are free. sp wont work as i stated above wp wont work because they fluctuate too much. you have good days and you have bad days and if you logibro i.e not killing you end up with more point than the killers so that defeats the whole purpose of basing it on wp. kdr is one of the most messed up stats on the leaderboard. how can anyone consider using that as a means to balance. total kills is also not a balance factor because some play more than others or have good or bad days. you talk about retention like dust is dieing but its far from that. dust is no different than eve. its a harsh universe and you either fight through it or you die. you don't demand ccp to hold your hand and guide you through it. thats just stupid and goes against everything that makes eve good and when all the content is out will make dust great too. what happens if ccp implements anything like your idea and gains thousands of new players. what happens when the training wheels are removed and people see the true harshness of dust and eve. they will drop by the thousands only they will take their friends with them and create masses of negative media attention and that will truely kill dust. if your friends cant handle the pain then they are in the wrong game. this is not cod or BF with zero consequences where everyone is in the exact same gear with the exact same skill. this is meant to a harsh environment to create great combat and gameplay. dumbing it down and making it safe to play is pointless also your suggestion of making alts for recruiting. its one thing to see a noob succeed against extreme odds against a proto swarm but how do you measure a good player when he is up against weaker or similar targets. if you want the best you need to see them at their best. how would having an alt in the lower and mid levels help me determine if that guy is any good when the odds are too balanced. it hardly makes for an epic war game when you never have to worry about the unknown or what the next guy might do. when i started out after fanfest i was massively out skilled yet i kept hitting the proto stompers hard and it only made me better for it. if i was up against similar players the game would be boring and pointless to play and likely i wouldn't be where i am today. good soldiers are forged in fire. If dust got an in flux of thousands of new players it would be great because then the matchmaking system would work better. Yes SP, WP, and kills may not be ideal but something must be done to separate full proto players full militia and standard players. Perhaps lobbies with meta level restriction would be best but doing nothing is the worst thing CCP could do. this would only be viable on pub matches but everything else it would not work on. this would create the problem of new players attempting to progress into new content such as FW or PC and coming up against the proto players without any experiance at fighting them. would you as a new player really want to be stuck in nothing but pub matches. one day you are eventually going to want to progress but its going to be far harder than it currently is as you are likely to have never experience a full on proto attack and not likely to know any really good proto players to show you the ropes. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

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