DUST Search - Swarm Launchers Are Not Meant To Be The Answer To Tanks

Soulja Ghostface wrote:

Second Cerberus wrote:

Benjamin Ciscko wrote:

A swarm launcher is a light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's
Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's

Except the swarm launcher range nerf makes it poorly suited to engage tanks, dropships or LAV's. All 3 types of vehicles have more than enough speed to evade a 3rd volley.

Not QQ, just fact. Limited range and nerfed damage on the massive maps in DUST means that the only role the swarm serves now is area denial. Why would a player (outside someone helping out their squad) elect to place a weapon in their light slot when they know it will put them at a disadvantage against infantry and serve to only temporarily inconvenience vehicles?

Perhaps it has some future use with MTACS or something else, but please stop talking about the proper "role" of swarm launchers.

It reminds me of the silly dropship "role" threads after missiles were nerfed and before WP for transport was added. Dropships had no role or source of WP, and were obsoleted by the uplink spam and LAV's.

It's the same with swarms now.

Lets rephrase that.

I don't like how a light weapon makes them run away (But kills LAVS and dropships)
and how a heavy weapon kills them (All Of Them)

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Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2061	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:48:00 - [1] - Quote They were meant for the people who wanted to have some form of AV Without skilling into another dropsuit Heavy suits and forge guns are the answer to tanks CCP intended to do. soontm. If you want to kill a tank. use the fatboy suit and his oversized vacuum cleaner. Swarm launchers were meant to be a less effective alternative because mostly everybody had medium suits. And As you know medium suits were intended for rifle 514 not AV 514 tl;dr: May the forge be with you Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
CrotchGrab 360 Caldari State 542	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:50:00 - [2] - Quote so tanks are meant to be able to rep through swarms? You've Been Hit By You've Been Struck By A Smooth Criminal
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 369	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:51:00 - [3] - Quote A swarm launcher is a light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's Tanker/Logi Tanks almost fixed.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2061	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:52:00 - [4] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: A swarm launcher is a light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's Bingo We have a winner. People think they can pull out an anti armor suit to kill a hardend gunlogi. and that is why there is so much QQ in 1.7 Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Suanar Daranaus Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 87	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:53:00 - [5] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: A swarm launcher is a light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's Umm, your distinction between light and heavy weapons might be a little off. Just say'n
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 897	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:54:00 - [6] - Quote This just in! CCP confirms no light weapon should ever kill anyone or anything ever because there's a weapon on the market that does more damage! More to come... Breaking news! Sidearms to shoot cotton candy in 1.8! Hints of new anit-stick dropsuits to combat new sugary threat!! "The unexamined life is not worth living." RNDclan.com
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2464	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:54:00 - [7] - Quote Swarm launchers can literally only shoot at vehicles, but you don't think they were meant to shoot at vehicles is what you are really saying. Don't tell me that swarms were meant for the other vehicles, because their range is too short to effect dropships, and infantry mobility is too low to be able to get off more than one shot on an LAV before it goes around the corner. No, I am not CCP Logibro.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 369	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:55:00 - [8] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: so tanks are meant to be able to rep through swarms? 1 swarmer I would say yes 2 swarmer's and you are breaking through is rep but not by much 3 swarmer's you have a chance of killing him 4+ swarmer's he has to be extremely skilled and extremely lucky to avoid death. Tanker/Logi Tanks almost fixed.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2061	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:57:00 - [9] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: A swarm launcher is a light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's Bingo We have a winner. People think they can pull out an anti armor suit to kill a hardend gunlogi. and that is why there is so much QQ in 1.7 EDIT: They also QQ because they cant SOLO a hardened tank with their LIGHT weapon Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
CrotchGrab 360 Caldari State 542	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:57:00 - [10] - Quote And how is a new player supposed to take down any tank with only a militia forge gun at his disposal? He will NOT be able to take it down before he gets killed or the tanks run away or the tank reps. There's no way that new player is going to be able to charge, shoot and reload enough times. In Battlefield 3 you press left or right on the d-pad to bring out a rocket launcher. You shoot 3 RPGs at the tank and it's gone and ANYBODY can do it. You've Been Hit By You've Been Struck By A Smooth Criminal

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3142	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:58:00 - [11] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: A swarm launcher is a light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's I agree, however they need to be able to do their jobs respectively. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2062	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:59:00 - [12] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: And how is a new player supposed to take down any tank with only a militia forge gun at his disposal? He will NOT be able to take it down before he gets killed or the tanks run away or the tank reps. There's no way that new player is going to be able to charge, shoot and reload enough times. In Battlefield 3 you press left or right on the d-pad to bring out a rocket launcher. You shoot 3 RPGs at the tank and it's gone and ANYBODY can do it. a new player shoudn't as a heavily AV skilled merc does that job for him. ex: KING CHECKMATE or ATIIM Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 254	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:00:00 - [13] - Quote message from Godin: My Wiki swarms and fluxes disagrees
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2062	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:02:00 - [14] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: My Wiki swarms and fluxes disagrees message from soulja: shhh. dont tell them the secret now! Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 913	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:04:00 - [15] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: And how is a new player supposed to take down any tank with only a militia forge gun at his disposal? He will NOT be able to take it down before he gets killed or the tanks run away or the tank reps. There's no way that new player is going to be able to charge, shoot and reload enough times. In Battlefield 3 you press left or right on the d-pad to bring out a rocket launcher. You shoot 3 RPGs at the tank and it's gone and ANYBODY can do it. a new player shoudn't as a heavily AV skilled merc does that job for him. ex: KING CHECKMATE or ATIIM much less with a militia weapon.... pfft. Whoever thinks that tanks should be soloable with a single militia weapon is definitely wrong "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 254	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:06:00 - [16] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: My Wiki swarms and fluxes disagrees message from soulja: shhh. dont tell them the secret now! message from Godin: 1: I'm reading the fourms now, no need to say that. or are you teasing me? 2: They don't listen anyways.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui KOBAYASHI MARU PROJECT 209	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:08:00 - [17] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Swarm launchers can literally only shoot at vehicles, but you don't think they were meant to shoot at vehicles is what you are really saying. Can only shoot at vehicles but it's not meant to destroy a HAV ... just LAV's because it's a light weapon . The HMG is a HEAVY WEAPON but it's damage is lighter then most light weapons and can barely kill ANYONE unless you have that person trapped in a corner or they have nowhere to run . Just the sheer ignorance that comes out of some of these people mouths .... it's a wonder how this world has lasted so long without some of these " geniuses " blowing it up and killing everyone . Few have tried but none have succeeded yet . Don't wanna jinxs that ratio . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 531	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:08:00 - [18] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: They were meant for the people who wanted to have some form of AV Without skilling into another dropsuit Heavy suits and forge guns are the answer to tanks CCP intended to do. soontm. If you want to kill a tank. use the fatboy suit and his oversized vacuum cleaner. Swarm launchers were meant to be a less effective alternative because mostly everybody had medium suits. And As you know medium suits were intended for rifle 514 not AV 514 tl;dr: May the forge be with you yeah, let me just try to catch up to the 1000 miles per hour soma in my 10 mph fat suit. *Sagaris lover!!!*
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 394	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:09:00 - [19] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: And how is a new player supposed to take down any tank with only a militia forge gun at his disposal? He will NOT be able to take it down before he gets killed or the tanks run away or the tank reps. There's no way that new player is going to be able to charge, shoot and reload enough times. In Battlefield 3 you press left or right on the d-pad to bring out a rocket launcher. You shoot 3 RPGs at the tank and it's gone and ANYBODY can do it. a new player shoudn't as a heavily AV skilled merc does that job for him. ex: KING CHECKMATE or ATIIM much less with a militia weapon.... pfft. Whoever thinks that tanks should be soloable with a single militia weapon is definitely wrong Do militia tanks count? TBA IS NOT A NAME! At least give the heavy laser a name so we know you MIGHT be working on it.
Second Cerberus Tested In Production 60	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:09:00 - [20] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: A swarm launcher is a light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's Except the swarm launcher range nerf makes it poorly suited to engage tanks, dropships or LAV's. All 3 types of vehicles have more than enough speed to evade a 3rd volley. Not QQ, just fact. Limited range and nerfed damage on the massive maps in DUST means that the only role the swarm serves now is area denial. Why would a player (outside someone helping out their squad) elect to place a weapon in their light slot when they know it will put them at a disadvantage against infantry and serve to only temporarily inconvenience vehicles? Perhaps it has some future use with MTACS or something else, but please stop talking about the proper "role" of swarm launchers. It reminds me of the silly dropship "role" threads after missiles were nerfed and before WP for transport was added. Dropships had no role or source of WP, and were obsoleted by the uplink spam and LAV's. It's the same with swarms now. "I don't always test my code, but when I do, I do it in production." - *CCP*

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2645	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:10:00 - [21] - Quote News just in: upcoming hotfix will repair bug in which swarms lock on to tanks, instead of sweet FA. No.
Saxbrin Shain Ivory Vanguard 104	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:11:00 - [22] - Quote BUG CONFIRMED: Swarm Launcher capable of targeting Tanks. Solution: In 1.8, Vehicles will no longer be vulnerable to Infantry-carried weapons. Edit: Simultaneous discovery with Chunky Munkey. Bug double-confirmed. IMMORTALS; From the Sands to the Stars We fight until we die. Then we fight some more.
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2398	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:11:00 - [23] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: And how is a new player supposed to take down any tank with only a militia forge gun at his disposal? He will NOT be able to take it down before he gets killed or the tanks run away or the tank reps. There's no way that new player is going to be able to charge, shoot and reload enough times. In Battlefield 3 you press left or right on the d-pad to bring out a rocket launcher. You shoot 3 RPGs at the tank and it's gone and ANYBODY can do it. a new player shoudn't as a heavily AV skilled merc does that job for him. ex: KING CHECKMATE or ATIIM much less with a militia weapon.... pfft. Whoever thinks that tanks should be soloable with a single militia weapon is definitely wrong I have proto swarms with prof 4 and three damage mods but why use that when I can use a militia tank that is 3x more effective at destroying vehicles, can actually kill infantry, and costs less then my fit. Really this tank spam is only going to make new players leave so really have fun when this game is dead because as it is I don't see why any new player would want to play this game. (Which is a FPS btw not WoT)
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2062	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:11:00 - [24] - Quote Second Cerberus wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: A swarm launcher is a light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's Except the swarm launcher range nerf makes it poorly suited to engage tanks, dropships or LAV's. All 3 types of vehicles have more than enough speed to evade a 3rd volley. Not QQ, just fact. Limited range and nerfed damage on the massive maps in DUST means that the only role the swarm serves now is area denial. Why would a player (outside someone helping out their squad) elect to place a weapon in their light slot when they know it will put them at a disadvantage against infantry and serve to only temporarily inconvenience vehicles? Perhaps it has some future use with MTACS or something else, but please stop talking about the proper "role" of swarm launchers. It reminds me of the silly dropship "role" threads after missiles were nerfed and before WP for transport was added. Dropships had no role or source of WP, and were obsoleted by the uplink spam and LAV's. It's the same with swarms now. Lets rephrase that. I don't like how a light weapon makes them run away (But kills LAVS and dropships) and how a heavy weapon kills them (All Of Them) Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2468	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:13:00 - [25] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: A swarm launcher is a light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's Bingo We have a winner. People think they can pull out an anti armor suit to kill a hardend gunlogi. and that is why there is so much QQ in 1.7 EDIT: They also QQ because they cant SOLO a hardened tank with their LIGHT weapon With logic like that light weapons shouldn't be able to hurt heavies and sidearms should only hurt scouts. Derp. No, I am not CCP Logibro.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2062	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:15:00 - [26] - Quote But i do think a militia forge gun should pop a soma and sica JUST SAYIN Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2398	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:18:00 - [27] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Second Cerberus wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: A swarm launcher is a light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's Except the swarm launcher range nerf makes it poorly suited to engage tanks, dropships or LAV's. All 3 types of vehicles have more than enough speed to evade a 3rd volley. Not QQ, just fact. Limited range and nerfed damage on the massive maps in DUST means that the only role the swarm serves now is area denial. Why would a player (outside someone helping out their squad) elect to place a weapon in their light slot when they know it will put them at a disadvantage against infantry and serve to only temporarily inconvenience vehicles? Perhaps it has some future use with MTACS or something else, but please stop talking about the proper "role" of swarm launchers. It reminds me of the silly dropship "role" threads after missiles were nerfed and before WP for transport was added. Dropships had no role or source of WP, and were obsoleted by the uplink spam and LAV's. It's the same with swarms now. Lets rephrase that. I don't like how a light weapon makes them run away (But kills LAVS and dropships) and how a heavy weapon kills them (All Of Them) How can swarms be effective at killing LAVs and Dropships when the travel speed is so slow. Why would the weapon with the 2nd slowest projectile speed of AV weapons be used to destroy the two fastest vehicles in the game.
Toby Flenderson research lab 147	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:20:00 - [28] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: so tanks are meant to be able to rep through swarms? 1 swarmer I would say yes 2 swarmer's and you are breaking through is rep but not by much 3 swarmer's you have a chance of killing him 4+ swarmer's he has to be extremely skilled and extremely lucky to avoid death. Hahaha this is ridiculous. You shouldn't need 4 people to maybe kill 1 person. That's one quarter of the team sacrificing their primary and left arguably defenseless against most infantry. Are you even considering the frequent possibility of multiple tanks? Just how many dedicated SLs would your ideal build of Dust 514 require to take down 2 tanks?
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2062	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:22:00 - [29] - Quote once again we forget that that 1. swarms are invisible (proto) 2. they go around walls 3. in open field they cannot outrun swarms 4. this encourages tactial play as you must get close enough with the swarms 5. forge guns cannot do 1. and 2. Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2062	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:23:00 - [30] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: so tanks are meant to be able to rep through swarms? 1 swarmer I would say yes 2 swarmer's and you are breaking through is rep but not by much 3 swarmer's you have a chance of killing him 4+ swarmer's he has to be extremely skilled and extremely lucky to avoid death. Hahaha this is ridiculous. You shouldn't need 4 people to maybe kill 1 person. That's one quarter of the team sacrificing their primary and left arguably defenseless against most infantry. Are you even considering the frequent possibility of multiple tanks? Just how many dedicated SLs would your ideal build of Dust 514 require to take down 2 tanks? this is why forge guns are the only TRUE answer to tanks Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*



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