DUST Search - Swarm Launchers Are Not Meant To Be The Answer To Tanks

Atiim wrote:

Soulja Ghostface wrote:

Atiim wrote:

Why? The Forge Gunner spent no more ISK or SP than me.

Because more people use medium frames?

Atiim wrote:

Okay. How about I have a weapon for scouts only that can OHK any dropsuit from 250m with the same ADS and RPM as a Rail Rifle. It would be fine because most people don't use Scouts right?

Because everybody in their mom knows that everybody put sp in medium suits before heavies

most people cant get passed the fact that they will have to spend sp (more than they should have) to get heavies.

so as a habbit CCP catered to the whiners and made swarm launchers.

but they made sure in 1.7 that it didnt grow stronger than it's older brother.

not saying their useless. But leave the big tanks for the big gun

So an Anti-Vehicle weapon should only be effective against LAVs?

Leave it for the bigger gun? Then give me a respec and nerf Plasma Cannons. They aren't a big gun.

Also, why nitpick? If you can't refute then at least admit that I right.

If I wanted to kill LAVs then I would have continued using my MLT SL.

The fact that more people use Medium Frames than Heavy Frames is irrelevant, as it does not affect the fact that the mechanic at hand is still in it's current condition.

Tell me, why would I use the SL if I can only use them to kill LAVs? You know that nobody wouldn't. Just admit that you want SLs & PLCs removed from the game already. It would save us a lot of time.

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Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2075	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:03:00 - [61] - Quote Kane Fyeah. Have you ever heard of jihad jeeps plama cannons FINISH ME OFF NOT KILL ME Quote: Also dropships? Get a railgun and shoot those guys out of the sky. Tanks cannot shoot on a 180 degree angle. (means assault dropships with a missle turret can get them) Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2382	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:03:00 - [62] - Quote This person is right yall Yesterday, we took out Tanks with 3 forges, 2 of which were MLT and essentially ended the tank spam of that match. However I disagree on what the OP says about Swarms/Light Weapon AV. The purpose of Light Weapon AV is to deal with light vehicles, or assist a forge in dealing with HAV. The Forge is cumbersome and the heavy itself is not very well off in dealing with LAVs. Forge Gun vs. LAV, LAV wins because of how small and agile they are unless it's a terrible driver... I Buy Officer Weapons, from 200K to 500K a pop, contact me for arrangements Gallente + Amarr: Do it
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1534	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:05:00 - [63] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: A nonbiased opinion from a person who has proto forge and used to have maxed out tanks They were meant for the people who wanted to have some form of AV Without skilling into another dropsuit Heavy suits and forge guns are the answer to tanks CCP intended to do. soontm. If you want to kill a tank. use the fatboy suit and his oversized vacuum cleaner. Swarm launchers were meant to be a less effective alternative because mostly everybody had medium suits. And As you know medium suits were intended for rifle 514 not AV 514 tl;dr: May the forge be with you how the hell do you know what anything is INTENDED for in dust? ccp isn't even sure... tell me something, in real life if I put 1 grenade down the turret of a tank, what happens? exacltly, no more tank.... so why cant we have av that kills tanks? CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1920	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:05:00 - [64] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: a light weapon makes them run away (But kills LAVS and dropships) Which would be fine except for the fact that LAVs will out tank the first volley and out run the second and a dropship will just fly at 176m and you'll never lock onto them. So, yet again, if swarms aren't allowed to kill tanks, what are they meant for? Because they certainly aren't doing it. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2075	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:07:00 - [65] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: A nonbiased opinion from a person who has proto forge and used to have maxed out tanks They were meant for the people who wanted to have some form of AV Without skilling into another dropsuit Heavy suits and forge guns are the answer to tanks CCP intended to do. soontm. If you want to kill a tank. use the fatboy suit and his oversized vacuum cleaner. Swarm launchers were meant to be a less effective alternative because mostly everybody had medium suits. And As you know medium suits were intended for rifle 514 not AV 514 tl;dr: May the forge be with you how the hell do you know what anything is INTENDED for in dust? ccp isn't even sure... tell me something, in real life if I put 1 grenade down the turret of a tank, what happens? exacltly, no more tank.... so why cant we have av that kills tanks? FACEPALM have you even read anything besides the OP Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1536	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:09:00 - [66] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: A nonbiased opinion from a person who has proto forge and used to have maxed out tanks They were meant for the people who wanted to have some form of AV Without skilling into another dropsuit Heavy suits and forge guns are the answer to tanks CCP intended to do. soontm. If you want to kill a tank. use the fatboy suit and his oversized vacuum cleaner. Swarm launchers were meant to be a less effective alternative because mostly everybody had medium suits. And As you know medium suits were intended for rifle 514 not AV 514 tl;dr: May the forge be with you how the hell do you know what anything is INTENDED for in dust? ccp isn't even sure... tell me something, in real life if I put 1 grenade down the turret of a tank, what happens? exacltly, no more tank.... so why cant we have av that kills tanks? FACEPALM have you even read anything besides the OP nope....didn't even read that... just the title.... still not gonna read it.... CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2076	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:11:00 - [67] - Quote if you read just the title. if you had a brain (those dam implants) you would know that im\'m reffering to swarmlaunchers not ALL AV If you just read the title as you said. Quote: nope....didn't even read that... just the title....Lol still not gonna read it.... Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2108	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:11:00 - [68] - Quote OH HELL NO DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2403	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:12:00 - [69] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Kane Fyeah. Have you ever heard of jihad jeeps plama cannons FINISH ME OFF NOT KILL ME Quote: Also dropships? Get a railgun and shoot those guys out of the sky. Tanks cannot shoot on a 180 degree angle. (means assault dropships with a missle turret can get them) So you think slapping 6 remote explosives (Those aren't proxy mines btw) on the front of your lav and ramming a tank is a valid tactic? That's easymode man. Well I guess I'll start ramming lavs with remote explosives strapped on (Still cheaper, easier to do, and more effective then my proto swarms)
negative49er The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 405	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:14:00 - [70] - Quote maybe your right I guess light rpgs in real life aren't suppose to kill heavy armor in real like Dedicated Shotgun Scout

KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3207	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:14:00 - [71] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: A swarm launcher is a light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's Ok.So overall. Tanks only have 2 counters. Forge guns and other Tanks? HEH,no wonder... theres moar. proximity mines are good enough i had to put an alarm system to survive. plasma cannons usually finish me if i just got out of tank or AV fight assault dropships hover above a tank and rain missles while he cant shoot you Even swarms can kill a WOUNDED tank so... yeah bud tanks have more than 2 counters Proximity mines are a Joke both in damage and effectivness. In a game where MOST maps are open maps , GUESSING where the tanker will pass through while he is weak is just luck. Plasma cannons, by your logic is : '' light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's '' QUOTE:''Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's '' ''assault dropships hover above a tank and rain missles while he cant shoot you'' TRUE! my mistake then, thee are 2 counters to tanks Forge guns or Vehicles. No tanks have stuff that annoys them. they only have 2 REAL counters.Vehicles and FG. Is like saying that an SMG can kill me if im wounded at 45+mts then its a long ranged counter. Having the CHANCE to kill me does not make it a real counter. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Tectonic Fusion 731	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:15:00 - [72] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: This just in! CCP confirms no light weapon should ever kill anyone or anything ever because there's a weapon on the market that does more damage! More to come... Breaking news! Sidearms to shoot cotton candy in 1.8! Hints of new anit-stick dropsuits to combat new sugary threat!! Considering the Scrambler Pistol hits harder than the AR, I guess all weapons will suck... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2076	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:15:00 - [73] - Quote Quote: Still cheaper and more effective then my proto swarms At killing HAV's yes. How did this derail so badly We are talking Swarms and forge guns peoplez Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2406	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:20:00 - [74] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Quote: Still cheaper and more effective then my proto swarms At killing HAV's yes. How did this derail so badly We are talking Swarms and forge guns peoplez Well you obviously have no interest in discussing balance so I'll just ignore you. I hope you never become a game designer because you would be horrible at it.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2076	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:26:00 - [75] - Quote nope. just trying to stay on topic . also i hope you woudn't be a game designer as you would spread your focus on numerous trivial issues instead of "THE BIG PIECE OF CAKE" this is not a QQ balance thread. This is to stop the QQ by informing the community how to kill a tank Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4163	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:37:00 - [76] - Quote dropships can easily be killed by swarms, speaking as a python pilot your damage is terrible and only a thret when mods are down and two of you are shooting at me, but that knockback is horrendous, i've died multiple times because a well placed swarms sends me flying into a building. also these FOTM militia tankers are among the worst vehicle pilots i've ever seen, seriously i killed a sica with XT-1's (wrong damage type remember) and the idiot didn't activate his mods till the last 10% of his health by which point it was too late. and swarmers have you tried the good old fashioned flux and swarm combo against shield tanks? you know, using the right damage types against each tank Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
T8R Raid BIG BAD W0LVES 82	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:38:00 - [77] - Quote Been raping tanks with a CBR7. Nuff said. Takes work but far from impossible. Unchecked dishonesty can promote the perception that one must cheat to remain competitive.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3208	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:40:00 - [78] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: nope. just trying to stay on topic . also i hope you woudn't be a game designer as you would spread your focus on numerous trivial issues instead of "THE BIG PIECE OF CAKE" this is not a QQ balance thread. This is to stop the QQ by informing the community how to kill a tank yah basically with another vehicle or a FG. You said all Light weapons are designed for AV ''support'' for those pansies that dont use Heavy suits. ok. Message clear. Tanks have only 2 counters. No wonder they are everywhere now... TANKS NEED NUMBER REDUCED OR COUNTERS INCREASED. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2409	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:41:00 - [79] - Quote gbghg wrote: dropships can easily be killed by swarms, speaking as a python pilot your damage is terrible and only a thret when mods are down and two of you are shooting at me, but that knockback is horrendous, i've died multiple times because a well placed swarms sends me flying into a building. also these FOTM militia tankers are among the worst vehicle pilots i've ever seen, seriously i killed a sica with XT-1's (wrong damage type remember) and the idiot didn't activate his mods till the last 10% of his health by which point it was too late. and swarmers have you tried the good old fashioned flux and swarm combo against shield tanks? you know, using the right damage types against each tank Of course I use fluxes against shield tanks. I can kill them but why do it when I'm risking 160k isk every time I spawn when I can just get a militia tank that is more effective and cheaper with 0 sp cost.
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2409	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:42:00 - [80] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: nope. just trying to stay on topic . also i hope you woudn't be a game designer as you would spread your focus on numerous trivial issues instead of "THE BIG PIECE OF CAKE" this is not a QQ balance thread. This is to stop the QQ by informing the community how to kill a tank How is the tank spam not a big issue? It ruins new player experience (You know the people that help games grow) and the fun of infantry and AV (Which is at least 75% of the players in the game).

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2110	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:43:00 - [81] - Quote Why? The Forge Gunner spent no more ISK or SP than me. Because more people use medium frames? Okay. How about I have a weapon for scouts only that can OHK any dropsuit from 250m with the same ADS and RPM as a Rail Rifle. It would be fine because most people don't use Scouts right? Forge Guns and Swarm Launchers already have their advantages and disadvantages over each other. The Swarm Launcher needs to be on par with the Forge Gun because if they aren't on par, then people will use FGs over SLs. Kill LAVs? Why in the ever loving f**k would I or anyone skill into a weapon and spend 4-5mil SP on it, so I can kill LAVs? Also, how about we apply this to infantry. Lets make it to where if you want to kill a heavy, you have to use a HEAVY weapon. LIGHT weapons shouldn't be able to kill him. And since we are applying the whole "bigger should be better" argument, nerf the Plasma Cannon. It also shouldn't be able to take out HEAVY Attack Vehicles because it is a LIGHT weapon. I skilled into Swarm Launchers to kill vehicles (shocking right?). What I didn't skill into was a support weapon that can be outperformed in every way possible by every possible thing in this entire game. I know vehicle pilots don't like the idea of being destroyed, but really? The ability to only kill LAVs? Glad to see pilots finally admitting that they want Swarm Launchers to be non-existent on the battlefield. Not that it wasn't too obvious already. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2080	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:48:00 - [82] - Quote Quote: Why? The Forge Gunner spent no more ISK or SP than me. Because more people use medium frames? Because everybody in their mom knows that everybody put sp in medium suits before heavies most people cant get passed the fact that they will have to spend sp (more than they should have) to get heavies. so as a habbit CCP catered to the whiners and made swarm launchers. but they made sure in 1.7 that it didnt grow stronger than it's older brother. not saying their useless. But leave the big tanks for the big gun Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 300	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:50:00 - [83] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Swarm launchers can literally only shoot at vehicles, but you don't think they were meant to shoot at vehicles is what you are really saying. Don't tell me that swarms were meant for the other vehicles, because their range is too short to effect dropships, and infantry mobility is too low to be able to get off more than one shot on an LAV before it goes around the corner. How about buffing swarm damage, beyond what it was pre-nerf. Make it able to kill an LAV in one or two swarms. Now, for balance, since it is a light weapon. Give medum vehicles (dropships) a 20% natural resistance to them, since they are light weapons vs a medium vehicle Give Heavy vehicles a 40% resistance to them, since it is a light weapon vs a heavy vehicle. Thoughts?
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1537	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:00:00 - [84] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: A nonbiased opinion from a person who has proto forge and used to have maxed out tanks They were meant for the people who wanted to have some form of AV Without skilling into another dropsuit Heavy suits and forge guns are the answer to tanks CCP intended to do. soontm. If you want to kill a tank. use the fatboy suit and his oversized vacuum cleaner. Swarm launchers were meant to be a less effective alternative because mostly everybody had medium suits. And As you know medium suits were intended for rifle 514 not AV 514 tl;dr: May the forge be with you ok heres a real question for your thread.... what are swarms supposed to do then? what are their use. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129272&find=unread CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2111	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:02:00 - [85] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Atiim wrote: Why? The Forge Gunner spent no more ISK or SP than me. Because more people use medium frames? Atiim wrote: Okay. How about I have a weapon for scouts only that can OHK any dropsuit from 250m with the same ADS and RPM as a Rail Rifle. It would be fine because most people don't use Scouts right? Because everybody in their mom knows that everybody put sp in medium suits before heavies most people cant get passed the fact that they will have to spend sp (more than they should have) to get heavies. so as a habbit CCP catered to the whiners and made swarm launchers. but they made sure in 1.7 that it didnt grow stronger than it's older brother. not saying their useless. But leave the big tanks for the big gun So an Anti-Vehicle weapon should only be effective against LAVs? Leave it for the bigger gun? Then give me a respec and nerf Plasma Cannons. They aren't a big gun. Also, why nitpick? If you can't refute then at least admit that I right. If I wanted to kill LAVs then I would have continued using my MLT SL. The fact that more people use Medium Frames than Heavy Frames is irrelevant, as it does not affect the fact that the mechanic at hand is still in it's current condition. Tell me, why would I use the SL if I can only use them to kill LAVs? You know that nobody wouldn't. Just admit that you want SLs & PLCs removed from the game already. It would save us a lot of time. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2083	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:04:00 - [86] - Quote kill LAVS,Dropships,Instalations Scare Tanks Away. If they gang up on a tank then depending on the drivers skills kill it or put it in critical condition. militia and standard Swarms only do good against SH!t fit tanks Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 300	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:07:00 - [87] - Quote Atiim wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: Atiim wrote: Why? The Forge Gunner spent no more ISK or SP than me. Because more people use medium frames? Atiim wrote: Okay. How about I have a weapon for scouts only that can OHK any dropsuit from 250m with the same ADS and RPM as a Rail Rifle. It would be fine because most people don't use Scouts right? Because everybody in their mom knows that everybody put sp in medium suits before heavies most people cant get passed the fact that they will have to spend sp (more than they should have) to get heavies. so as a habbit CCP catered to the whiners and made swarm launchers. but they made sure in 1.7 that it didnt grow stronger than it's older brother. not saying their useless. But leave the big tanks for the big gun So an Anti-Vehicle weapon should only be effective against LAVs? Leave it for the bigger gun? Then give me a respec and nerf Plasma Cannons. They aren't a big gun. Also, why nitpick? If you can't refute then at least admit that I right. If I wanted to kill LAVs then I would have continued using my MLT SL. The fact that more people use Medium Frames than Heavy Frames is irrelevant, as it does not affect the fact that the mechanic at hand is still in it's current condition. Tell me, why would I use the SL if I can only use them to kill LAVs? You know that nobody wouldn't. Just admit that you want SLs & PLCs removed from the game already. It would save us a lot of time. The point is that a swarm launcher is a light weapon. It should be most effective on light vehicles. HAVs aren't heavy if a light weapon can kill them as easily as they do LAVs. A heavy weapon should be the best at taking out heavy vehicles.
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 179	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:09:00 - [88] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: so tanks are meant to be able to rep through swarms? 1 swarmer I would say yes 2 swarmer's and you are breaking through is rep but not by much 3 swarmer's you have a chance of killing him 4+ swarmer's he has to be extremely skilled and extremely lucky to avoid death. Or he can just throw on a hardener and become invincible, or he can activate a militia Nitrous and instantly get out of range of the swarms. Closed Beta Vet since July, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 179	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:11:00 - [89] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Quote: Why? The Forge Gunner spent no more ISK or SP than me. Because more people use medium frames? Because everybody in their mom knows that everybody put sp in medium suits before heavies most people cant get passed the fact that they will have to spend sp (more than they should have) to get heavies. so as a habbit CCP catered to the whiners and made swarm launchers. but they made sure in 1.7 that it didnt grow stronger than it's older brother. not saying their useless. But leave the big tanks for the big gun Older brother? Wat? Forge gun was added way after Swarms. How long have you been playing this game, son? Closed Beta Vet since July, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2387	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:14:00 - [90] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: But i do think a militia forge gun should pop a soma and sica JUST SAYIN Lol, so I can have zero SP into a heavy or a FG and kill tanks, but my million plus SP into swarms shouldn't be effective. Makes perfect sense. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.



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