DUST Search - Swarm Launchers Are Not Meant To Be The Answer To Tanks

Second Cerberus wrote:

Benjamin Ciscko wrote:

A swarm launcher is a light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's
Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's

Except the swarm launcher range nerf makes it poorly suited to engage tanks, dropships or LAV's. All 3 types of vehicles have more than enough speed to evade a 3rd volley.

Not QQ, just fact. Limited range and nerfed damage on the massive maps in DUST means that the only role the swarm serves now is area denial. Why would a player (outside someone helping out their squad) elect to place a weapon in their light slot when they know it will put them at a disadvantage against infantry and serve to only temporarily inconvenience vehicles?

Perhaps it has some future use with MTACS or something else, but please stop talking about the proper "role" of swarm launchers.

It reminds me of the silly dropship "role" threads after missiles were nerfed and before WP for transport was added. Dropships had no role or source of WP, and were obsoleted by the uplink spam and LAV's.

It's the same with swarms now.


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Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2061	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:48:00 - [1] - Quote They were meant for the people who wanted to have some form of AV Without skilling into another dropsuit Heavy suits and forge guns are the answer to tanks CCP intended to do. soontm. If you want to kill a tank. use the fatboy suit and his oversized vacuum cleaner. Swarm launchers were meant to be a less effective alternative because mostly everybody had medium suits. And As you know medium suits were intended for rifle 514 not AV 514 tl;dr: May the forge be with you Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2061	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:52:00 - [2] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: A swarm launcher is a light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's Bingo We have a winner. People think they can pull out an anti armor suit to kill a hardend gunlogi. and that is why there is so much QQ in 1.7 Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2061	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:57:00 - [3] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: A swarm launcher is a light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's Bingo We have a winner. People think they can pull out an anti armor suit to kill a hardend gunlogi. and that is why there is so much QQ in 1.7 EDIT: They also QQ because they cant SOLO a hardened tank with their LIGHT weapon Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2062	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:59:00 - [4] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: And how is a new player supposed to take down any tank with only a militia forge gun at his disposal? He will NOT be able to take it down before he gets killed or the tanks run away or the tank reps. There's no way that new player is going to be able to charge, shoot and reload enough times. In Battlefield 3 you press left or right on the d-pad to bring out a rocket launcher. You shoot 3 RPGs at the tank and it's gone and ANYBODY can do it. a new player shoudn't as a heavily AV skilled merc does that job for him. ex: KING CHECKMATE or ATIIM Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2062	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:02:00 - [5] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: My Wiki swarms and fluxes disagrees message from soulja: shhh. dont tell them the secret now! Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2062	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:11:00 - [6] - Quote Second Cerberus wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: A swarm launcher is a light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's Except the swarm launcher range nerf makes it poorly suited to engage tanks, dropships or LAV's. All 3 types of vehicles have more than enough speed to evade a 3rd volley. Not QQ, just fact. Limited range and nerfed damage on the massive maps in DUST means that the only role the swarm serves now is area denial. Why would a player (outside someone helping out their squad) elect to place a weapon in their light slot when they know it will put them at a disadvantage against infantry and serve to only temporarily inconvenience vehicles? Perhaps it has some future use with MTACS or something else, but please stop talking about the proper "role" of swarm launchers. It reminds me of the silly dropship "role" threads after missiles were nerfed and before WP for transport was added. Dropships had no role or source of WP, and were obsoleted by the uplink spam and LAV's. It's the same with swarms now. Lets rephrase that. I don't like how a light weapon makes them run away (But kills LAVS and dropships) and how a heavy weapon kills them (All Of Them) Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2062	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:15:00 - [7] - Quote But i do think a militia forge gun should pop a soma and sica JUST SAYIN Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2062	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:22:00 - [8] - Quote once again we forget that that 1. swarms are invisible (proto) 2. they go around walls 3. in open field they cannot outrun swarms 4. this encourages tactial play as you must get close enough with the swarms 5. forge guns cannot do 1. and 2. Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2062	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:23:00 - [9] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: so tanks are meant to be able to rep through swarms? 1 swarmer I would say yes 2 swarmer's and you are breaking through is rep but not by much 3 swarmer's you have a chance of killing him 4+ swarmer's he has to be extremely skilled and extremely lucky to avoid death. Hahaha this is ridiculous. You shouldn't need 4 people to maybe kill 1 person. That's one quarter of the team sacrificing their primary and left arguably defenseless against most infantry. Are you even considering the frequent possibility of multiple tanks? Just how many dedicated SLs would your ideal build of Dust 514 require to take down 2 tanks? this is why forge guns are the only TRUE answer to tanks Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2062	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:34:00 - [10] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: once again we forget that that 1. swarms are invisible (proto) 2. they go around walls 3. in open field they cannot outrun swarms 4. this encourages tactial play as you must get close enough with the swarms 5. forge guns cannot do 1. and 2. 1. You do know that this is a bug right? 2. They appear that way on your screen but on mine they don't go around walls 3. Yea but then your dead almost instantly vs tanks in open fields 4. This isn't encouraged enough with me being killed in less half a second already and having shitty anti infantry abilities Bingo! Again anyone who runs to a tank to AV him is a fool You must use and abuse those sniping towers As you forge a tank he dies or retreats. If you wannabe a d1ck lord. Forge snipe him while he's reatreating. Cruel but effective and why there is no point in swarming a tank. (Unless you get swarms of swarm launchers and swarm that tank) Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*

Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2062	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:38:00 - [11] - Quote Don't line up 1 by 1 to take him on at a time like in the Kung-Fu movies point the forge at the tanks @$$ and pew pew (only guranteed success if the tanks hardners are cooldown) the point of 1.7 Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2065	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:48:00 - [12] - Quote ^1 way Non heavies kill tanks.^ berries too lazy to do that. Then get on top of a building and forge snipe Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2066	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:03:00 - [13] - Quote Swarms do have a purpose. A slightly weaker alternative to the true AV class (fatboys) EDIT: They Still kill LAVS and dropships (if you play smart then you kill dropships) whats the problem EDIT2: You can still finish a TANK off with SWARMS if hardeners are off Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2067	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:21:00 - [14] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Well, swarms can't outrun LAVs or reach dropships, so what are they meant for? Who would run a primary weapon that is only capable of annoying and will never get a kill? Looksie at this real quik Why do you think the coverboy of dust is holding an assault rifle in his picture. (the caldari medium frame) why is the fatboy holding a forge gun the heavie is meant for doing the highest amount of damage to ANY vehicle The medium suit was intended for people who felt comfortable in normal FPS However those medium frames got shredded by a tank 1 too many time the devs took notice and made a swarm launcher Since they did not invest in the TRUE AV class... There is a slight penalty even though you swarmers got buffed in 1.4 (Lock On Times) The heavy is the games original and best AV class and it will always be ADAPT OR DIE Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2069	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:33:00 - [15] - Quote DJANGO QUIK Look at this your attempt at trolling failed Quote: And no one gets to decide what the true classes of this game are except CCP and they've never said those guys in that pic are the only true classes. notice how they recomended heavy and forge gun for AV, not swarmers. GET YOUR TOGETHER and stop trying to prove me wrong, your looking mighty stupid Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2072	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:39:00 - [16] - Quote Footage of Forge gun dominance Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2073	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:54:00 - [17] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: A swarm launcher is a light weapon it is meant for taking out light vehicles LAV's Forge Guns are heavy weapons they are meant to take out heavy vehicle HAV's Ok.So overall. Tanks only have 2 counters. Forge guns and other Tanks? HEH,no wonder... theres moar. proximity mines are good enough i had to put an alarm system to survive. plasma cannons usually finish me if i just got out of tank or AV fight assault dropships hover above a tank and rain missles while he cant shoot you Even swarms can kill a WOUNDED tank so... yeah bud tanks have more than 2 counters Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2073	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:56:00 - [18] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: DJANGO QUIK Look at this your attempt at trolling failed Quote: And no one gets to decide what the true classes of this game are except CCP and they've never said those guys in that pic are the only true classes. notice how they recomended heavy and forge gun for AV, not swarmers. GET YOUR TOGETHER and stop trying to prove me wrong, your looking mighty stupid What is your point? That a picture exists so defines everything that exists in the game? You still haven't answered what the point of swarms is since they can't kill anything. I don't dispute that forges are the best AV weapon but that doesn't mean that the one of the only true AV only weapons should be entirely useless at AV. CCP may recommend whatever they want but the fact is swarms were created for something and currently are capable of pretty much nothing. Quote: a light weapon makes them run away (But kills LAVS and dropships) Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2075	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:59:00 - [19] - Quote Is someone QQing Just trying to stop the flood of TANKS ARE OP THREADS EDIT: this post was targeted at the weebaby semus Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2075	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:03:00 - [20] - Quote Kane Fyeah. Have you ever heard of jihad jeeps plama cannons FINISH ME OFF NOT KILL ME Quote: Also dropships? Get a railgun and shoot those guys out of the sky. Tanks cannot shoot on a 180 degree angle. (means assault dropships with a missle turret can get them) Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*

Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2075	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:07:00 - [21] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: A nonbiased opinion from a person who has proto forge and used to have maxed out tanks They were meant for the people who wanted to have some form of AV Without skilling into another dropsuit Heavy suits and forge guns are the answer to tanks CCP intended to do. soontm. If you want to kill a tank. use the fatboy suit and his oversized vacuum cleaner. Swarm launchers were meant to be a less effective alternative because mostly everybody had medium suits. And As you know medium suits were intended for rifle 514 not AV 514 tl;dr: May the forge be with you how the hell do you know what anything is INTENDED for in dust? ccp isn't even sure... tell me something, in real life if I put 1 grenade down the turret of a tank, what happens? exacltly, no more tank.... so why cant we have av that kills tanks? FACEPALM have you even read anything besides the OP Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2076	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:11:00 - [22] - Quote if you read just the title. if you had a brain (those dam implants) you would know that im\'m reffering to swarmlaunchers not ALL AV If you just read the title as you said. Quote: nope....didn't even read that... just the title....Lol still not gonna read it.... Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2076	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:15:00 - [23] - Quote Quote: Still cheaper and more effective then my proto swarms At killing HAV's yes. How did this derail so badly We are talking Swarms and forge guns peoplez Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2076	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:26:00 - [24] - Quote nope. just trying to stay on topic . also i hope you woudn't be a game designer as you would spread your focus on numerous trivial issues instead of "THE BIG PIECE OF CAKE" this is not a QQ balance thread. This is to stop the QQ by informing the community how to kill a tank Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2080	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:48:00 - [25] - Quote Quote: Why? The Forge Gunner spent no more ISK or SP than me. Because more people use medium frames? Because everybody in their mom knows that everybody put sp in medium suits before heavies most people cant get passed the fact that they will have to spend sp (more than they should have) to get heavies. so as a habbit CCP catered to the whiners and made swarm launchers. but they made sure in 1.7 that it didnt grow stronger than it's older brother. not saying their useless. But leave the big tanks for the big gun Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2083	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:04:00 - [26] - Quote kill LAVS,Dropships,Instalations Scare Tanks Away. If they gang up on a tank then depending on the drivers skills kill it or put it in critical condition. militia and standard Swarms only do good against SH!t fit tanks Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2084	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:30:00 - [27] - Quote Quote: Anyways, no. If Forge Guns are better than Swarm Launchers then everyone is going to flock to Forge Guns. thats the point swarms are already falling of the AV foodchain people are QQing over 1.7 tank spam To think the metagame should have switched to forgeguns. Im suprised i even have to make a thread about it. you all should know from being in a tank to killing one forge guns do the job best. Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2084	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:32:00 - [28] - Quote Quote: Interesting theory, but do you not think a cammondo role is best suited to a rifle and an AV weapon, does it not seem strange that swarms have become vehicle only? commando is a flexibility role not AV role. mainly for being able to use a swarm launcher flux nades and rail rifle in the same loadout Gÿ£GÿàGÿPLogi Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*