1) It does not need to be necessarily 30 secs. But 15 at least?
RDV request denied - Reserved Tank slot
And maybe add a little timer thingieh.... XD

2)The other team will have ENOUGH infantry to pull off a decent AV attack on the tankers. Not like nowadays , where even with all infantry using AV , 7 tanks can still take them out. the problem is not always the quality,but in the case of tanks the numbers.
Remember 3 tanks are already 16000+ EHP (AT LEAST ) WITH HARDENERS that need to be taken down....

3)What happens when the randoms give up using tanks?
I dont understand why this is a bad thing.

4)In reality the problem isn't solved its just more concentrated and more likely to play to its ultimatum quicker. In the current situation having enough tanks is why infantry can get by largely unscathed, because they have juicier targets.

No.In the current situation having 4+ GOOD tankers on one side makes a game impossible, yup you read right, IMPOSSIBLE to win for infantry.Yesterday,in a pub skirm, we got redlined in Ashland by 5 tanks. There was NOTHING to do, you called in a tank, rail sniped. You took out AV wither a tank killed you because they always had hardeners on OR infantry killed you because you didnt have weaponry appropriate for killing infantry.
Belive me , INFANTRY DOES NOT GET ''UNSCATHED''.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128947&find=unread

Here is the main thread ^^^^

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A it is,im pretty sure that tank vs AV is very balanced.
Good job.

The only problem is you didnt take into account the fact that nerfing AV,while balancing vehicles,making them CHEAPER than dropsuits in many cases and not changing the restrictions would create TANK SPAM.

With your new modules,even a MLT tank can wistand HEAVY prototype Fire from MULTIPLE AV red dots.
If you just glance around the first 5 pages of these forums you'll see that the problem is only getting bigger, and this is just the FIRST WEEK of your new patch.

Here is a viable solution.
as it is vehicles are always an important part of warfare,but at the moment they have become the only part in Dust514 warfare.So far as going into a 10 vs 10 domination match only to fin 6-7 tanks per team and the rest being SNIPERS.
please explain how i am supposed to take the Objective in this scenario.

My opinion is LIMIT vehicles per team depending on their CLASS:

GÖª 2 Tanks / the powerful behemoths that even at MLT level they can prove to be a force to be reckoned with.
GÖª 2 Dropships / Usually used as transport, the low 2 DS limit is so that they cannot be used as Monster counter for Tanks.Everyone knows a good DS pailot can be hell for a tanker, so leaving it a 2 vs 2 to prevent DS abuse seems like a good idea.
GÖª 3 Lavs / Main transort unit. Very important. With 3 LAv limit a team can easily transport up to 9 people to the objectives and for blitzkrieg strategies.

With a team reaching its vehicle quota at 7.Same as now, but without the chance of tank spam.

This would help everyone.
GÖª Infantry vs infantry will be a viable scenario again (Specially in open maps, that are like 80% of them)
GÖª tanks wont get nerfed so tankers happy;even a MLT tankers has a chance to participate
GÖª AV Doesnt get buffed BUT the chance to outnumber a tank is bigger there by creating chance to counter
GÖª Good tankers will never be OUTNUMBERED severely there by making their SP investment more important.
as it is you can be the BEST tanker ever with the best Battle Maddy ever made!
BUT if 6 Somas appear you're gonna get f***d regadless. This would help 2 Good tankers take on whatever numbers of crappy MLT somas the enemy throw at them...

(a Text should appear on everyon'es screen, upper right side, informing you there is a tank spot available, in the case your blue dots called in tanks before you did as soon as one of them looses one you would have the cahnce to deploy one of your own.)
Also , some kind of priority to vehicle users wthat actually invested on said vehicle so that the BETTER player can deploy his vehicle. Say True Adamance has 6 mill in vehicles and i have 800k. Then when the game starts True adamance has a good 30 secs to decide if he want to call in a vehicle and if he doesn't then me and every other scrub can call one.(this is an example of how it might work)

You see, the problem is your vision is flawed in the NUMBER OF PLAYERS.
you can have 6 tanks on the field, but if you have 32+ players in YOUR team. NOT 16.
Maps are to small, we have FEW important objectives and few number of players per team. a Team spamming 6+ tanks can easily maintain advantage over a team not using tanks putting 1 tank on each objective and having one patrol. While the 9 rest infantry just take out AVers easily.

Please consider this a an option. Im 100% sure this is what is resulting in umbalanced and un-fun matches for many players.

here,. a little glint of what people think of your patch:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129001&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129017&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129023&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128949&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129021&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128228&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129013&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128980&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128768&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129006&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128974&find=unread...

I have an idea also then

We restrict how many infantry we are allowed also

So only 1 protobear of any suit is allowed in

Only 2 heavys are allowed and also 2 logis with 2 assault frames, the remaining 10spaces are 5 commandos and 5 scouts

It would be more akin to saying only 2 heavies per side, don't blow things out of proportion, try actually having a discussion.

No fair is fair

If you restrict vehicles then we restrict the amount of infantry classes too

Fair is Fair?
Can you really say that? Well Fair is Fair, infantry should be immune to all but rail turrets, Fair is Fair, infantry should be able to restock and heal their suits behind a rock without a supply depot, fair is fair we should be able to have other players join us in our dropsuit and operate ADDITIONAL weapons for us, fair is fair right?

Tanks are not immune to everything

Infantry does restock and heal behind a rock, ive done it, nanohive and armor reps

If you want that last option thats fine, you dont get anymore hp for it either and someone has to use the suit and let you get in, also if a bluedot gets in you cant kick em out either, i dont know how ccp will explain it tho, 2 players in 1 suit which is the size of one player

Tanks are pretty much immune to all but three infantry weapons, by percentage wise infantry should be immune to the same percentage of tank weapons.

If your talking about equipment that the same as your active modules, im talking about recalling and redeploying a vehicle.

Who cares fair is fair right, ill just put av weaponry on the additonal people.

PLC/FG/SL/Flux/AV nades/RE/Proxy mines

Infantry has 4k armor?

Equipment is not the same as active modules, also what is a supply depot that i see infantry use to swap stuff?

lol no you wont, you have to be able to fit it on that 1 suit your wearing

Proxy mines barely do any damage, remote explosives get us aswell
why shouldn't we, fair is fair
equipment isn't EXACTLY the same no, but we get equipment you get active modules
supply depots are fixed locations, fair is fair you either have to go to a supply depot, or we can chamge anywhere
why can't I you can, fair is fair right, so I should be able to fit AV for my passengers and AI for me

They do damage, stop lying

Okay then 4k armor, problem is you dont have any movement and will take 20mins to move 10m, the dropsuit isnt powerful enough to move

Active modules require more resources than equipment

Okay then, aslong as i dont have to get out or in to swap a tank, it will just instantly swap to whatever tank i choose, so much easier than waiting for a bolas now

Fair is fair, you have to fit the extra weaopns on your suit, your suit will be primary suit and if anyone else gets in they only have access to a weaopn that you cannot use like your secondary, looks like you will using the commando suit then if you want that AV weapon

And this why 'fair is fair' doesn't work, so would you like to get back to the matter at hand or keep going until tanks and dropsuits are the same thing? cause that is where fair is fair takes us, no sp, no isk, no suits, no tactics just COD on bigger maps.

But it does

By saying only 2 tanks allowed it means i cannot use what im skilled into

So by saying you can only have 2 heavy suits and 2 logi and 2 assault and the rest have to go commando/scout it means i am also preventing you from doing what you primarly skilled into

You restrict me and i restrict you hence why a quota is BS and wont work because its whoever spawns the fastest and gets ther stuff in

Tanks are pretty much immune to all but three infantry weapons, by percentage wise infantry should be immune to the same percentage of tank weapons.

If your talking about equipment that the same as your active modules, im talking about recalling and redeploying a vehicle.

Who cares fair is fair right, ill just put av weaponry on the additonal people.

No fair is fair

If you restrict vehicles then we restrict the amount of infantry classes too

Yes.

It was a really, REALLY close finish. We were down to 3 clones on my team's side, and our MCC was in critical damage when theirs finally died. As mentioned, when I joined, my team was redlined, and we were pretty far down on clone count, but the enemy only had a small lead on MCC damage and it was early enough to still turn things around (our MCC was a around 1/4 shield strength)

[.....] Missile turrets are impractical as anti-infantry, but with some luck, you can catch someone in the splash and get an assist [.....]

[.....]Railguns already can't land direct hits on moving infantry without a ridiculous amount of luck, so they need splash hits in order to hurt [.....]

So the same thing as infantry going to a supply depot and swapping suits for instant health regen, except that unlike vehicles, you can't get shot while you're waiting for your suit to respawn, then have it hacked and stolen by the enemy before the automated lock lets your teammates (or even your squadmates) hop in. Maybe you should only be able to recall a vehicle in a designated safe zone - most people fall back behind friendly lines anyway. Maybe you could have to recall your tank from behind the redline, or within X metres of a supply depot or a friendly objective.

And having lots of AV guys is fair. Sometimes a team heavy in infantry with Rifles gets steamrolled by tanks. Sometimes a team with lots of tanks should run into a bunch of AV guys working together and get themselves slaughtered - unfortunately, that doesn't happen too often, because most AV players fail to communicate and work together effectively when fighting against multiple tanks.

Yr text, always hurts my eyes