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KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3177	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:14:00 - [1] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128947&find=unread Here is the main thread ^^^^ A it is,im pretty sure that tank vs AV is very balanced. Good job. The only problem is you didnt take into account the fact that nerfing AV,while balancing vehicles,making them CHEAPER than dropsuits in many cases and not changing the restrictions would create TANK SPAM. With your new modules,even a MLT tank can wistand HEAVY prototype Fire from MULTIPLE AV red dots. If you just glance around the first 5 pages of these forums you'll see that the problem is only getting bigger, and this is just the FIRST WEEK of your new patch. Here is a viable solution. as it is vehicles are always an important part of warfare,but at the moment they have become the only part in Dust514 warfare.So far as going into a 10 vs 10 domination match only to fin 6-7 tanks per team and the rest being SNIPERS. please explain how i am supposed to take the Objective in this scenario. My opinion is LIMIT vehicles per team depending on their CLASS: GÖª 2 Tanks / the powerful behemoths that even at MLT level they can prove to be a force to be reckoned with. GÖª 2 Dropships / Usually used as transport, the low 2 DS limit is so that they cannot be used as Monster counter for Tanks.Everyone knows a good DS pailot can be hell for a tanker, so leaving it a 2 vs 2 to prevent DS abuse seems like a good idea. GÖª 3 Lavs / Main transort unit. Very important. With 3 LAv limit a team can easily transport up to 9 people to the objectives and for blitzkrieg strategies. With a team reaching its vehicle quota at 7.Same as now, but without the chance of tank spam. This would help everyone. GÖª Infantry vs infantry will be a viable scenario again (Specially in open maps, that are like 80% of them) GÖª tanks wont get nerfed so tankers happy;even a MLT tankers has a chance to participate GÖª AV Doesnt get buffed BUT the chance to outnumber a tank is bigger there by creating chance to counter GÖª Good tankers will never be OUTNUMBERED severely there by making their SP investment more important. as it is you can be the BEST tanker ever with the best Battle Maddy ever made! BUT if 6 Somas appear you're gonna get f**d regadless. This would help 2 Good tankers take on whatever numbers of crappy MLT somas the enemy throw at them... (a Text should appear on everyon'es screen, upper right side, informing you there is a tank spot available, in the case your blue dots called in tanks before you did as soon as one of them looses one you would have the cahnce to deploy one of your own.) You see, the problem is your vision is flawed in the NUMBER OF PLAYERS. you can have 6 tanks on the field, but if you have 32+ players in YOUR team. NOT 16. Maps are to small, we have FEW important objectives and few number of players per team. a Team spamming 6+ tanks can easily maintain advantage over a team not using tanks putting 1 tank on each objective and having one patrol. While the 9 rest infantry just take out AVers easily. Please consider this a an option. Im 100% sure this is what is resulting in umbalanced and un-fun matches for many players. here,. a little glint of what people think of your patch:* https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129001&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129017&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129023&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128949&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129021&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128228&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129013&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128980&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128768&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129006&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128974&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128975&find=unread TANKS/AV/FW/RIFLES in 1.7? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128947&find=unread
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1650	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:19:00 - [2] - Quote I'd say 2 tanks in ambush and 3 in skirmish. That would counter spamming pretty well. But then again I don't want to have to race just to get my gunnlogi before the dude with a mlt tank... That's my only problem, not being able to use what I put nearly all my sp into. If CCP could find a way to prioritise people that put more sp in vehicles than GO FOR IT cause this is a good idea that doesn't involve NERF/BUFF bullshit!!! Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
Jason Pearson 3398	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:20:00 - [3] - Quote isn't this your 2nd-3rd thread with pretty much the same content o.O King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3179	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:21:00 - [4] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: I'd say 2 tanks in ambush and 3 in skirmish. That would counter spamming pretty well. But then again I don't want to have to race just to get my gunnlogi before the dude with a mlt tank... That's my only problem, not being able to use what I put nearly all my sp into Maybe introducing some kind of priority to call in your vehicle if you have higher SP in that said vehicle ? Im sure something can be thought of. But at the moment this vehicle restriction is a MUST, to not break the balance of AV vs Tank and keep the games fun for EVERYONE .... 3 in Skirmish could be too. It aint TOO bad... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3179	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:22:00 - [5] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: isn't this your 2nd-3rd thread with pretty much the same content o.O 2nd actually The rest are posts in every single tank related thread, stating the same. I want this implemented. People will call me a madman, but im sure it'll work. I'll bet my Templar Scrambler rifle on it. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 243	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:22:00 - [6] - Quote message from Godin: Let me call in my Maddy while in the fittings screen then (through the pilot suit it should let you do so), as I don't feel like waiting 10 minutes for some useless bluedot to drive around in circles. EDIT: This will be a sad day if this gets put in, as all those free kills will disappear from me
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 905	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:22:00 - [7] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: . . (((SUGGESTING HARDER LIMITS ON VEHICLE TYPES))) [/i] It would be a sad day to bring in more artificial limitations. Adding rules to deny eventually creates a black jungle of strange restrictions - often obsolete and harmful to the game. So no thank you to the harsh demand up there - CCP please don't do it. I have a suggestion of my own to help with the problem (yes, problem). Linking later. Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance? The fix:
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3179	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:23:00 - [8] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: It would be a sad day to bring in more artificial limitations. Adding rules to deny eventually creates a black jungle of strange restrictions - often obsolete and harmful to the game. So no thank you to the harsh demand up there - CCP please don't do it. I have a suggestion of my own to help with the problem (yes, problem). Linking later. Im not saying it should be PERMANENT. But this is an immediate solution to the problem without nerfing anyone nor breaking anything else. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3179	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:24:00 - [9] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: Let me call in my Maddy while in the fittings screen then (through the pilot suit it should let you do so), as I don't feel like waiting 10 minutes for some useless bluedot to drive around in circles. EDIT: This will be a sad day if this gets put in, as all those free kills will disappear from me Message to Godin: please read all the posts.I already addressed this...in a way XD AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1650	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:26:00 - [10] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: I'd say 2 tanks in ambush and 3 in skirmish. That would counter spamming pretty well. But then again I don't want to have to race just to get my gunnlogi before the dude with a mlt tank... That's my only problem, not being able to use what I put nearly all my sp into Maybe introducing some kind of priority to call in your vehicle if you have higher SP in that said vehicle ? Im sure something can be thought of. But at the moment this vehicle restriction is a MUST, to not break the balance of AV vs Tank and keep the games fun for EVERYONE .... 3 in Skirmish could be too. It aint TOO bad... Reread my post, sorry I was editing it and didn't notice you replied. I added stuff to it, we got the same idea Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå

KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3181	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:33:00 - [11] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: I'd say 2 tanks in ambush and 3 in skirmish. That would counter spamming pretty well. But then again I don't want to have to race just to get my gunnlogi before the dude with a mlt tank... That's my only problem, not being able to use what I put nearly all my sp into Maybe introducing some kind of priority to call in your vehicle if you have higher SP in that said vehicle ? Im sure something can be thought of. But at the moment this vehicle restriction is a MUST, to not break the balance of AV vs Tank and keep the games fun for EVERYONE .... 3 in Skirmish could be too. It aint TOO bad... Reread my post, sorry I was editing it and didn't notice you replied. I added stuff to it, we got the same idea Yup the ideas are pretty much the same. IT seems fair to specialized vehicle drivers over scrubbies i think.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 1004	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:37:00 - [12] - Quote King Checkmate, I find it hard to take you seriously with your ranting posts that have everything bolded. I fell like you are shouting at me and anyone else who might listen. Considering you had crutch lolOPswarms before 1.7 and are probably used to taking out vehicles, I can understand where you are coming from with this frustration. Vehicle Pilots have now had to deal with this 3 times. After about the second nerf to your class, you learn CCP doesn't give a sh!t and you adapt. Vehicles are incredibly easy to kill if you know what you are doing. My assault forge gun does just fine taking care of that tank spam you speak of. High alpha kills tanks these days. Spamming the forums with endless threads of raging nonsense gets you nowhere. H3ll, not even over 65 pages of constructive feedback got the vehicle community anywhere. CCP sucks at balancing, but vehicles vs AV is just about right. The only balances that need to be adjusted deal with vehicle on vehicle combat-and it is only slight adjustments. So about those vehicle locks...
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3182	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:46:00 - [13] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: King Checkmate, I find it hard to take you seriously with your ranting posts that have everything bolded. I fell like you are shouting at me and anyone else who might listen. Considering you had crutch lolOPswarms before 1.7 and are probably used to taking out vehicles, I can understand where you are coming from with this frustration. Vehicle Pilots have now had to deal with this 3 times. After about the second nerf to your class, you learn CCP doesn't give a sh!t and you adapt. Vehicles are incredibly easy to kill if you know what you are doing. My assault forge gun does just fine taking care of that tank spam you speak of. High alpha kills tanks these days. Spamming the forums with endless threads of raging nonsense gets you nowhere. H3ll, not even over 65 pages of constructive feedback got the vehicle community anywhere. CCP sucks at balancing, but vehicles vs AV is just about right. The only balances that need to be adjusted deal with vehicle on vehicle combat-and it is only slight adjustments. 1-I dont care if you dont like bold. I like it and need it. Period. 2-I am known for being a Forge gunner,not a swarm user. 3-Yes im used to taking out vehicles. 4-I started as an AVer when the Murder Logi craze came in, most people who have been around enough time know i've been a SCOUT most of my life.SO I KNOW NERFS. 5-You can do whatever you like with your assault forge gun.But it really depends on team/tanks deployed/maps etc... I want to see how many tanks you can destroy with people like me looking for you with A.Scanners and Rail tanks shooting at you outside your range.Again,situation. 6-I've only made 2 Threads regarding this. Im not spamming anything, and you are not looking any smarter. 7-Agreed vehicels vs AV are right. Their numbers arent thou. 8-Actually , vehicle on vehicle combat is pretty good as it is. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 1005	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:59:00 - [14] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: King Checkmate, I find it hard to take you seriously with your ranting posts that have everything bolded. I fell like you are shouting at me and anyone else who might listen. Considering you had crutch lolOPswarms before 1.7 and are probably used to taking out vehicles, I can understand where you are coming from with this frustration. Vehicle Pilots have now had to deal with this 3 times. After about the second nerf to your class, you learn CCP doesn't give a sh!t and you adapt. Vehicles are incredibly easy to kill if you know what you are doing. My assault forge gun does just fine taking care of that tank spam you speak of. High alpha kills tanks these days. Spamming the forums with endless threads of raging nonsense gets you nowhere. H3ll, not even over 65 pages of constructive feedback got the vehicle community anywhere. CCP sucks at balancing, but vehicles vs AV is just about right. The only balances that need to be adjusted deal with vehicle on vehicle combat-and it is only slight adjustments. 1-I dont care if you dont like bold. I like it and need it. Period. 2-I am known for being a Forge gunner,not a swarm user. 3-Yes im used to taking out vehicles. 4-I started as an AVer when the Murder Logi craze came in, most people who have been around enough time know i've been a SCOUT most of my life.SO I KNOW NERFS. 5-You can do whatever you like with your assault forge gun.But it really depends on team/tanks deployed/maps etc... I want to see how many tanks you can destroy with people like me looking for you with A.Scanners and Rail tanks shooting at you outside your range.Again,situation. 6-I've only made 2 Threads regarding this. Im not spamming anything, and you are not looking any smarter. 7-Agreed vehicels vs AV are right. Their numbers arent thou. 8-Actually , vehicle on vehicle combat is pretty good as it is. Why do you need bold? I can hear you just fine. Perhaps you need to run a Madrugar or Gunloggi if you are struggling to deal with them OR better yet, just get a tank pilot in your squad. Tanks go away real fast when you have a double damage modded rail on your side. how is this for bold? Reported for Duplicated Threads and Spamming now it is really not even worth my time to do that. However, that is exactly what CCP did to the author of the 45 page tank petition in order to stop it dead in its tracks. makes you wonder, doesn't it? So about those vehicle locks...
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3185	Posted - 2013.12.15 05:15:00 - [15] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Why do you need bold? I can hear you just fine. Perhaps you need to run a Madrugar or Gunloggi if you are struggling to deal with them OR better yet, just get a tank pilot in your squad. Tanks go away real fast when you have a double damage modded rail on your side. how is this for bold? Reported for Duplicated Threads and Spamming now it is really not even worth my time to do that. However, that is exactly what CCP did to the author of the 45 page tank petition in order to stop it dead in its tracks. makes you wonder, doesn't it? ITs a thing i do.Me being almost BLIND i use BOLD to find my posts easier and look for replies. I shouldnt use it in my OWN threads but i got used to it,as most forum members. I understand Tanks being great counter to tanks. You dont understand it shouldn't be the ONLY true/best counter. That is some pretty good bold you got there .But it wouldnt make you no good, since both of my threads are different. One talking about 1.7 in general,the other regarding specifically AV-Tanks It does make me wonder. It doesnt scare me at all either.Im not breaking any rules. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4177	Posted - 2013.12.15 06:00:00 - [16] - Quote There's one REALLY MASSIVE problem with this proposal. 2 HAVs. 2 Dropships. 3 LAVs. 7 total. 2 + 2 + 3 = 7. This means you're making allowances for precisely ZERO variety in a team's vehicle complement. Everyone WILL bring the maximum number of HAVs and Dropships into EVERY match. 7 total is good. We already have that. Max 3 HAVs. Max 3 Dropships. Max 5 combined total HAV/Assault Dropship (regular Dropships can ignore this limit) Max 5 LAVs. This means that your team vehicle complement can actually vary significantly from one match to the next. Also, while tanks are MOSTLY balanced, I don't believe they're truly RIGHT yet - HAVs move far too fast (especially armour HAVS), not only in comparison with infantry but also with other vehicles which should be reasonably expected to outpace them a LOT more easily than they do. It's completely ridiculous that - WITHOUT mods - my Sica has a higher movement speed than my Onikuma WITH mods.
Draco Cerberus Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 602	Posted - 2013.12.15 06:54:00 - [17] - Quote I offer a counter proposal, Drop the restrictions on number of vehicles. Remove the Lobby, and let us free roam planets as it is in Eve for the Solar Systems. No there won't be matches but this means that rather than being right there in the enemy's face every time you spawn there is a chance that you will need to travel somewhere to find someone to fight. 1v1, 200v100 and all sorts of other odd sized battles could be waged with impunity, the cost being the only limiting factor, a cost that would be paid by the Eve characters wishing the wars. Just a thought, we have not seen a great deal of change to the mechanics of fights to improve the numbers or the profitability, it might be time to rework some of the main features rather than worry about the details (such as how many tanks the other guy has). LogiGod earns his pips
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3206	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:13:00 - [18] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: There's one REALLY MASSIVE problem with this proposal. 2 HAVs. 2 Dropships. 3 LAVs. 7 total. 2 + 2 + 3 = 7. This means you're making allowances for precisely ZERO variety in a team's vehicle complement. Everyone WILL bring the maximum number of HAVs and Dropships into EVERY match. 7 total is good. We already have that. Max 3 HAVs. Max 3 Dropships. Max 5 combined total HAV/Assault Dropship (regular Dropships can ignore this limit) Max 5 LAVs. This means that your team vehicle complement can actually vary significantly from one match to the next. Also, while tanks are MOSTLY balanced, I don't believe they're truly RIGHT yet - HAVs move far too fast (especially armour HAVS), not only in comparison with infantry but also with other vehicles which should be reasonably expected to outpace them a LOT more easily than they do. It's completely ridiculous that - WITHOUT mods - my Sica has a higher movement speed than my Onikuma WITH mods. Its not a massive problem. You say: ''This means you're making allowances for precisely ZERO variety in a team's vehicle complement.''.As it is there is no variety either. Each team tries to call in as many tanks as possible from the start, so there is STILL no variety. With my proposal at least there would be balance. ''...I don't believe they're truly RIGHT yet'' Its might be that CCP needs to balance them a little further yes. Specially MLT tanks being able to fight mano a mano vs tanks with heavy SP investment. Just yesterday i took down 2 Gunnos at the same time with my Battle sica (2 shield hardeners,1 armor repairer /heavy/ and 1 armor hardener + Blaster MLT).I think MLT tanks might be a big part of the problem too.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 265	Posted - 2013.12.16 01:49:00 - [19] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: Let me call in my Maddy while in the fittings screen then (through the pilot suit it should let you do so), as I don't feel like waiting 10 minutes for some useless bluedot to drive around in circles. EDIT: This will be a sad day if this gets put in, as all those free kills will disappear from me Message to Godin: please read all the posts.I already addressed this...in a way XD PLUS,its not like 6-7 blue dots dONT call in 6-7 tanks fast enough as it is,leaving you without your maddy anyways. PLUS,this is more about what you want and more about Dust514 Balance. See? Important vs irrelevant. EDIT FROM GODIN: ''This will be a sad day if this gets put in, as all those free kills will disappear from me'' AGAIN ,thinking only of yourself. message from Godin: What would you rather have, an experienced pilot, or a scrub who is absolutely horrible at it?
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3220	Posted - 2013.12.16 01:53:00 - [20] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: Let me call in my Maddy while in the fittings screen then (through the pilot suit it should let you do so), as I don't feel like waiting 10 minutes for some useless bluedot to drive around in circles. EDIT: This will be a sad day if this gets put in, as all those free kills will disappear from me Message to Godin: please read all the posts.I already addressed this...in a way XD PLUS,its not like 6-7 blue dots dONT call in 6-7 tanks fast enough as it is,leaving you without your maddy anyways. PLUS,this is more about what you want and more about Dust514 Balance. See? Important vs irrelevant. EDIT FROM GODIN: ''This will be a sad day if this gets put in, as all those free kills will disappear from me'' AGAIN ,thinking only of yourself. message from Godin: What would you rather have, an experienced pilot, or a scrub who is absolutely horrible at it? I'll repeat myself since i know Godin likes to talk but not listen: some kind of priority to vehicle users wthat actually invested on said vehicle so that the BETTER player can deploy his vehicle. Say True Adamance has 6 mill in vehicles and i have 800k. Then when the game starts True adamance has a good 30 secs to decide if he want to call in a vehicle and if he doesn't then me and every other scrub can call one.(this is an example of how it might work) (a Text should appear on everyon'es screen, upper right side, informing you there is a tank spot available, in the case your blue dots called in tanks before you did as soon as one of them looses one you would have the cahnce to deploy one of your own.) AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446

Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 436	Posted - 2013.12.16 01:54:00 - [21] - Quote Setting limits to what mercs can field is a bad idea. It takes away the freedom to use what ever the hell you want. CCP please don't do this, next thing you know they will be asking to limit the amount of heavy and light frames too.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3220	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:00:00 - [22] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Setting limits to what mercs can field is a bad idea. It takes away the freedom to use what ever the hell you want. CCP please don't do this, next thing you know they will be asking to limit the amount of heavy and light frames too. I"LL REPEAT MYSELF. this is a temporary solution until full AV-Tank balance is achieved. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 308	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:02:00 - [23] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Setting limits to what mercs can field is a bad idea. It takes away the freedom to use what ever the hell you want. CCP please don't do this, next thing you know they will be asking to limit the amount of heavy and light frames too. There is already a limit to vehicles. This simply takes it one step further. I'm in favor of this idea, so I can stop riding around in an HAV and get back to dropship piloting.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1563	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:03:00 - [24] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Setting limits to what mercs can field is a bad idea. It takes away the freedom to use what ever the hell you want. CCP please don't do this, next thing you know they will be asking to limit the amount of heavy and light frames too. ccp already sets limits. here's 2 examples. 1 only 16 players on a team. 2. ever get that message when calling in a vehicle that its been denied because your team already has to many on the field...? yeah setting limits.... do you play dust or do you just defend ccp on the forums? because I swear every post from you is countering a thread describing a real issue in dust. you are either #1 fanboi or secretly trying to sabotage the game. if its the former then I hate you, if its the latter then I love you. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 298	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:06:00 - [25] - Quote Believe it or not as much as I hate tank spam I don't know that depressing out the current vehicle cap is the solution. The balance is not way off, a slight reduction in tank speed, and a slight boost of AV (not necessarily to previous levels) would put the scales even I think.
Cosgar ParagonX 8741	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:08:00 - [26] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Setting limits to what mercs can field is a bad idea. It takes away the freedom to use what ever the hell you want. CCP please don't do this, next thing you know they will be asking to limit the amount of heavy and light frames too. I"LL REPEAT MYSELF. this is a temporary solution until full AV-Tank balance is achieved. Devs said they're collecting data on vehicles. Why limit how many can be fielded? It'd be better to grit and bear it so they can get whatever data they need to get. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3220	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:08:00 - [27] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: Believe it or not as much as I hate tank spam I don't know that depressing out the current vehicle cap is the solution. The balance is not way off, a slight reduction in tank speed, and a slight boost of AV (not necessarily to previous levels) would put the scales even I think. Yes but thats a ''COULD'' more than a WOULD. My TEMPORARY fix would help intermediately to control the games and leaving more time for CCP to work on more balance while not throwing this game out the window. People must understand that the game is loosing players and fans by the second, just so a few vehicle drivers are happy. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3221	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:09:00 - [28] - Quote Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Setting limits to what mercs can field is a bad idea. It takes away the freedom to use what ever the hell you want. CCP please don't do this, next thing you know they will be asking to limit the amount of heavy and light frames too. I"LL REPEAT MYSELF. this is a temporary solution until full AV-Tank balance is achieved. Devs said they're collecting data on vehicles. Why limit how many can be fielded? It'd be better to grit and bear it so they can get whatever data they need to get. OMG PEOPLE READ THE G0DD4MN3D OP. Its a temporary fix while ccp further balances the Av-TAnk thingieh so taht TANK spam is avoided,.... Jeezus xrist........ x3 AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 849	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:10:00 - [29] - Quote Let's let this fall right in with a matchmaking system based on some kind of cap. Everything gets fixed. In the good ol' days of tabletop wargaming I played Warhammer Fantasy Battle. You had an agreed upon cap of total points you could spend on an army. That was part of the official rules. You could use however much of anything so long as you were within that cap. Put gear scores on infantry and a separate one on tanks (other vehicles) and only allow one team to have what the lesser of the two teams can have. That way you don't get more than what the match can handle in lesser skilled players and the protostomping team doesn't get that much additional blueberries helping them. You could end up with 6 proto to 12 standard or advanced. Quantity vs. quality. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 437	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:15:00 - [30] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Setting limits to what mercs can field is a bad idea. It takes away the freedom to use what ever the hell you want. CCP please don't do this, next thing you know they will be asking to limit the amount of heavy and light frames too. I"LL REPEAT MYSELF. this is a temporary solution until full AV-Tank balance is achieved. Why bother with limiting vehicles then? Why not just have them continue working on tanks to fix them? I'm very confused now, this post seems counter productive to your goal.



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