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KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3177	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:14:00 - [1] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128947&find=unread Here is the main thread ^^^^ A it is,im pretty sure that tank vs AV is very balanced. Good job. The only problem is you didnt take into account the fact that nerfing AV,while balancing vehicles,making them CHEAPER than dropsuits in many cases and not changing the restrictions would create TANK SPAM. With your new modules,even a MLT tank can wistand HEAVY prototype Fire from MULTIPLE AV red dots. If you just glance around the first 5 pages of these forums you'll see that the problem is only getting bigger, and this is just the FIRST WEEK of your new patch. Here is a viable solution. as it is vehicles are always an important part of warfare,but at the moment they have become the only part in Dust514 warfare.So far as going into a 10 vs 10 domination match only to fin 6-7 tanks per team and the rest being SNIPERS. please explain how i am supposed to take the Objective in this scenario. My opinion is LIMIT vehicles per team depending on their CLASS: GÖª 2 Tanks / the powerful behemoths that even at MLT level they can prove to be a force to be reckoned with. GÖª 2 Dropships / Usually used as transport, the low 2 DS limit is so that they cannot be used as Monster counter for Tanks.Everyone knows a good DS pailot can be hell for a tanker, so leaving it a 2 vs 2 to prevent DS abuse seems like a good idea. GÖª 3 Lavs / Main transort unit. Very important. With 3 LAv limit a team can easily transport up to 9 people to the objectives and for blitzkrieg strategies. With a team reaching its vehicle quota at 7.Same as now, but without the chance of tank spam. This would help everyone. GÖª Infantry vs infantry will be a viable scenario again (Specially in open maps, that are like 80% of them) GÖª tanks wont get nerfed so tankers happy;even a MLT tankers has a chance to participate GÖª AV Doesnt get buffed BUT the chance to outnumber a tank is bigger there by creating chance to counter GÖª Good tankers will never be OUTNUMBERED severely there by making their SP investment more important. as it is you can be the BEST tanker ever with the best Battle Maddy ever made! BUT if 6 Somas appear you're gonna get f**d regadless. This would help 2 Good tankers take on whatever numbers of crappy MLT somas the enemy throw at them... (a Text should appear on everyon'es screen, upper right side, informing you there is a tank spot available, in the case your blue dots called in tanks before you did as soon as one of them looses one you would have the cahnce to deploy one of your own.) You see, the problem is your vision is flawed in the NUMBER OF PLAYERS. you can have 6 tanks on the field, but if you have 32+ players in YOUR team. NOT 16. Maps are to small, we have FEW important objectives and few number of players per team. a Team spamming 6+ tanks can easily maintain advantage over a team not using tanks putting 1 tank on each objective and having one patrol. While the 9 rest infantry just take out AVers easily. Please consider this a an option. Im 100% sure this is what is resulting in umbalanced and un-fun matches for many players. here,. a little glint of what people think of your patch:* https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129001&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129017&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129023&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128949&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129021&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128228&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129013&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128980&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128768&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129006&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128974&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128975&find=unread TANKS/AV/FW/RIFLES in 1.7? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128947&find=unread
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3179	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:21:00 - [2] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: I'd say 2 tanks in ambush and 3 in skirmish. That would counter spamming pretty well. But then again I don't want to have to race just to get my gunnlogi before the dude with a mlt tank... That's my only problem, not being able to use what I put nearly all my sp into Maybe introducing some kind of priority to call in your vehicle if you have higher SP in that said vehicle ? Im sure something can be thought of. But at the moment this vehicle restriction is a MUST, to not break the balance of AV vs Tank and keep the games fun for EVERYONE .... 3 in Skirmish could be too. It aint TOO bad... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3179	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:22:00 - [3] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: isn't this your 2nd-3rd thread with pretty much the same content o.O 2nd actually The rest are posts in every single tank related thread, stating the same. I want this implemented. People will call me a madman, but im sure it'll work. I'll bet my Templar Scrambler rifle on it. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3179	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:23:00 - [4] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: It would be a sad day to bring in more artificial limitations. Adding rules to deny eventually creates a black jungle of strange restrictions - often obsolete and harmful to the game. So no thank you to the harsh demand up there - CCP please don't do it. I have a suggestion of my own to help with the problem (yes, problem). Linking later. Im not saying it should be PERMANENT. But this is an immediate solution to the problem without nerfing anyone nor breaking anything else. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3179	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:24:00 - [5] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: Let me call in my Maddy while in the fittings screen then (through the pilot suit it should let you do so), as I don't feel like waiting 10 minutes for some useless bluedot to drive around in circles. EDIT: This will be a sad day if this gets put in, as all those free kills will disappear from me Message to Godin: please read all the posts.I already addressed this...in a way XD AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3181	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:33:00 - [6] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: I'd say 2 tanks in ambush and 3 in skirmish. That would counter spamming pretty well. But then again I don't want to have to race just to get my gunnlogi before the dude with a mlt tank... That's my only problem, not being able to use what I put nearly all my sp into Maybe introducing some kind of priority to call in your vehicle if you have higher SP in that said vehicle ? Im sure something can be thought of. But at the moment this vehicle restriction is a MUST, to not break the balance of AV vs Tank and keep the games fun for EVERYONE .... 3 in Skirmish could be too. It aint TOO bad... Reread my post, sorry I was editing it and didn't notice you replied. I added stuff to it, we got the same idea Yup the ideas are pretty much the same. IT seems fair to specialized vehicle drivers over scrubbies i think.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3182	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:46:00 - [7] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: King Checkmate, I find it hard to take you seriously with your ranting posts that have everything bolded. I fell like you are shouting at me and anyone else who might listen. Considering you had crutch lolOPswarms before 1.7 and are probably used to taking out vehicles, I can understand where you are coming from with this frustration. Vehicle Pilots have now had to deal with this 3 times. After about the second nerf to your class, you learn CCP doesn't give a sh!t and you adapt. Vehicles are incredibly easy to kill if you know what you are doing. My assault forge gun does just fine taking care of that tank spam you speak of. High alpha kills tanks these days. Spamming the forums with endless threads of raging nonsense gets you nowhere. H3ll, not even over 65 pages of constructive feedback got the vehicle community anywhere. CCP sucks at balancing, but vehicles vs AV is just about right. The only balances that need to be adjusted deal with vehicle on vehicle combat-and it is only slight adjustments. 1-I dont care if you dont like bold. I like it and need it. Period. 2-I am known for being a Forge gunner,not a swarm user. 3-Yes im used to taking out vehicles. 4-I started as an AVer when the Murder Logi craze came in, most people who have been around enough time know i've been a SCOUT most of my life.SO I KNOW NERFS. 5-You can do whatever you like with your assault forge gun.But it really depends on team/tanks deployed/maps etc... I want to see how many tanks you can destroy with people like me looking for you with A.Scanners and Rail tanks shooting at you outside your range.Again,situation. 6-I've only made 2 Threads regarding this. Im not spamming anything, and you are not looking any smarter. 7-Agreed vehicels vs AV are right. Their numbers arent thou. 8-Actually , vehicle on vehicle combat is pretty good as it is. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3185	Posted - 2013.12.15 05:15:00 - [8] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Why do you need bold? I can hear you just fine. Perhaps you need to run a Madrugar or Gunloggi if you are struggling to deal with them OR better yet, just get a tank pilot in your squad. Tanks go away real fast when you have a double damage modded rail on your side. how is this for bold? Reported for Duplicated Threads and Spamming now it is really not even worth my time to do that. However, that is exactly what CCP did to the author of the 45 page tank petition in order to stop it dead in its tracks. makes you wonder, doesn't it? ITs a thing i do.Me being almost BLIND i use BOLD to find my posts easier and look for replies. I shouldnt use it in my OWN threads but i got used to it,as most forum members. I understand Tanks being great counter to tanks. You dont understand it shouldn't be the ONLY true/best counter. That is some pretty good bold you got there .But it wouldnt make you no good, since both of my threads are different. One talking about 1.7 in general,the other regarding specifically AV-Tanks It does make me wonder. It doesnt scare me at all either.Im not breaking any rules. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3206	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:13:00 - [9] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: There's one REALLY MASSIVE problem with this proposal. 2 HAVs. 2 Dropships. 3 LAVs. 7 total. 2 + 2 + 3 = 7. This means you're making allowances for precisely ZERO variety in a team's vehicle complement. Everyone WILL bring the maximum number of HAVs and Dropships into EVERY match. 7 total is good. We already have that. Max 3 HAVs. Max 3 Dropships. Max 5 combined total HAV/Assault Dropship (regular Dropships can ignore this limit) Max 5 LAVs. This means that your team vehicle complement can actually vary significantly from one match to the next. Also, while tanks are MOSTLY balanced, I don't believe they're truly RIGHT yet - HAVs move far too fast (especially armour HAVS), not only in comparison with infantry but also with other vehicles which should be reasonably expected to outpace them a LOT more easily than they do. It's completely ridiculous that - WITHOUT mods - my Sica has a higher movement speed than my Onikuma WITH mods. Its not a massive problem. You say: ''This means you're making allowances for precisely ZERO variety in a team's vehicle complement.''.As it is there is no variety either. Each team tries to call in as many tanks as possible from the start, so there is STILL no variety. With my proposal at least there would be balance. ''...I don't believe they're truly RIGHT yet'' Its might be that CCP needs to balance them a little further yes. Specially MLT tanks being able to fight mano a mano vs tanks with heavy SP investment. Just yesterday i took down 2 Gunnos at the same time with my Battle sica (2 shield hardeners,1 armor repairer /heavy/ and 1 armor hardener + Blaster MLT).I think MLT tanks might be a big part of the problem too.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3220	Posted - 2013.12.16 01:53:00 - [10] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: Let me call in my Maddy while in the fittings screen then (through the pilot suit it should let you do so), as I don't feel like waiting 10 minutes for some useless bluedot to drive around in circles. EDIT: This will be a sad day if this gets put in, as all those free kills will disappear from me Message to Godin: please read all the posts.I already addressed this...in a way XD PLUS,its not like 6-7 blue dots dONT call in 6-7 tanks fast enough as it is,leaving you without your maddy anyways. PLUS,this is more about what you want and more about Dust514 Balance. See? Important vs irrelevant. EDIT FROM GODIN: ''This will be a sad day if this gets put in, as all those free kills will disappear from me'' AGAIN ,thinking only of yourself. message from Godin: What would you rather have, an experienced pilot, or a scrub who is absolutely horrible at it? I'll repeat myself since i know Godin likes to talk but not listen: some kind of priority to vehicle users wthat actually invested on said vehicle so that the BETTER player can deploy his vehicle. Say True Adamance has 6 mill in vehicles and i have 800k. Then when the game starts True adamance has a good 30 secs to decide if he want to call in a vehicle and if he doesn't then me and every other scrub can call one.(this is an example of how it might work) (a Text should appear on everyon'es screen, upper right side, informing you there is a tank spot available, in the case your blue dots called in tanks before you did as soon as one of them looses one you would have the cahnce to deploy one of your own.) AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446

KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3220	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:00:00 - [11] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Setting limits to what mercs can field is a bad idea. It takes away the freedom to use what ever the hell you want. CCP please don't do this, next thing you know they will be asking to limit the amount of heavy and light frames too. I"LL REPEAT MYSELF. this is a temporary solution until full AV-Tank balance is achieved. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3220	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:08:00 - [12] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: Believe it or not as much as I hate tank spam I don't know that depressing out the current vehicle cap is the solution. The balance is not way off, a slight reduction in tank speed, and a slight boost of AV (not necessarily to previous levels) would put the scales even I think. Yes but thats a ''COULD'' more than a WOULD. My TEMPORARY fix would help intermediately to control the games and leaving more time for CCP to work on more balance while not throwing this game out the window. People must understand that the game is loosing players and fans by the second, just so a few vehicle drivers are happy. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3221	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:09:00 - [13] - Quote Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Setting limits to what mercs can field is a bad idea. It takes away the freedom to use what ever the hell you want. CCP please don't do this, next thing you know they will be asking to limit the amount of heavy and light frames too. I"LL REPEAT MYSELF. this is a temporary solution until full AV-Tank balance is achieved. Devs said they're collecting data on vehicles. Why limit how many can be fielded? It'd be better to grit and bear it so they can get whatever data they need to get. OMG PEOPLE READ THE G0DD4MN3D OP. Its a temporary fix while ccp further balances the Av-TAnk thingieh so taht TANK spam is avoided,.... Jeezus xrist........ x3 AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3221	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:21:00 - [14] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Setting limits to what mercs can field is a bad idea. It takes away the freedom to use what ever the hell you want. CCP please don't do this, next thing you know they will be asking to limit the amount of heavy and light frames too. I"LL REPEAT MYSELF. this is a temporary solution until full AV-Tank balance is achieved. Why bother with limiting vehicles then? Why not just have them continue working on tanks to fix them? I'm very confused now, this post seems counter productive to your goal. I'm trying to figure out his logic too but it's making my head hurt. ''Why bother with limiting vehicles then? '' Easy.Because the game is UNPLAYABLE now. TRy going in solo and have a good ol' match of ambush. Or be winning in a skirmish match only for the enemy to start spamming tanks in order to win. Or play Domination to fight 7 tanks and the rest of the enemy team being snipers. Why bother? because the game is broken at the moment and needs an immediate fix. There is not time for CCP to figure out whats wrong and fix it. Not this time... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3222	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:30:00 - [15] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Some people go about issues the wrong way on these forums......OK a lot of people do. Doing something like the op suggested would take away a fun aspect of the game. You don't know what they may call in, what combination they will use. LOL @ YOU BRO. Of course i do! 7 tanks. (If they are smart that is) AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3222	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:36:00 - [16] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Sounds like it's working as intended. Tanks are force multipliers and the go-to for escalating situations. Been tired of seeing CoD 514 where everyone ran around with nothing but rifles and wondering why the maps are so big. Aside from working out a few kinks in AV balance like WP for damaging vehicles, more heavy AV, and more anti-shield AV, I hope they don't change much. Tanking is finally fun and accessible to anyone willing to try. ''Tanking is finally fun and accessible to anyone willing to try'' And thats the problem.Is way too accessible. and remember FUN is a point of view, Driving tanks is NOT fun for me, i do it cuz i must. i want CCP to tell me Tanks are working a intended. That this TANK spam we have in every game, was as intended. And i swear i'll shut up about this idea. If I dont see a blue tag, im calling BS on ''tanks working as intended'' cr4p.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3222	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:37:00 - [17] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Why not just increase price Tanks are Cheap and rather strong, why not put the price out of range for most but for dedicated tankers it might not be as much of an issue due to their strength especially vs AV. Because tankers would QQ. Killar, man you have been around for enough time.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3222	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:41:00 - [18] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Why not just increase price Tanks are Cheap and rather strong, why not put the price out of range for most but for dedicated tankers it might not be as much of an issue due to their strength especially vs AV. Because tankers would QQ. Killar, man you have been around for enough time.... Nope, because to quote many AVers (especially when we suggested raising prices for AV back before this build) ISK is not a balancing factor and should never be treated as such. What a shame. Yeah. True. Im not saying the cost should be increased! Im just talking about limits here, chill.... Then again ISK should match the performance of balance would be broken. Say tomorrow Proto weapons cost 20k intead of current 47+k ? Balance = Broken. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3222	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:47:00 - [19] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: I don't know what you are talking about, its playable I'm gonna be getting on at 10 to play some games. Had a buddy I was playing with that had av grenades and scared off all the tanks that came our way, wasn't a problem at all. If you are winning in a skirmish and the reds call down tanks they aren't very bright, as tanks can't cap points. I don't play ambush, one protostompers love good ol ambush and I like objects more than team deathmatch, I find it makes the game more interesting. I feel the same way about domination. This is just the start of vehicle balancing, ccp is collecting data as we speak. Rushing half baked solutions into the game is only gonna make things worse. They should focus on tanks as that's what everyone is crying about. ''Had a buddy I was playing with that had av grenades and scared off all the tanks that came our way, wasn't a problem at all'' SCARED. What good is ''SCARING'' tanks away? are you getting WP? ISK? NO.You just made him fall back, but when his hardeners are ready he WILL come back an butt plug you, and this time,your AV grenades wont even SCARE him. ''If you are winning in a skirmish and the reds call down tanks they aren't very bright, as tanks can't cap points.'' No they cant, but they sure as hell can cover infantry mobilization. Specially 4+ tanks. ''I don't play ambush, one protostompers love good ol ambush and I like objects more than team deathmatch'' So because you dont like it , its not relevant then? need to get your forum skills up bro.You are saying that because you dont like it it doesnt matter I CANT PLAY AMBUSH because of tanks....? Heh...no wonder... ''I feel the same way about domination.'' Ah ok people im sorry! Pvt Numnutz doesnt play domination nor Ambush so i was wrong the game IS playable after all! (-.-) You know Ambush and Domination are 50% of the game types dont you? And that thanks to tanks they are unplayable? ''This is just the start of vehicle balancing, ccp is collecting data as we speak. '' As we speak , players are leaving this ridiculous game because its forcing them to either use tanks or die. My solution will prevent this from happening any further WHILE CCP collects MORE data. ''. Rushing half baked solutions into the game is only gonna make things worse.'' No it wouldnt. It would make Ambush and DOm playable again, tank spam controlled. And as soon as CCP finds the middle point in balance they remove it. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3227	Posted - 2013.12.16 03:03:00 - [20] - Quote More of why we need an immediate fix even if its temporal: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129335&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129346&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129323&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129340&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129190&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129334&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129272&find=unread This is just PAGE ONE. WE CANNOT wait for CCP to take in ''data'' and wait for 1.8.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446

KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3380	Posted - 2013.12.20 00:58:00 - [21] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: As you are aware I don't agree with this approach. ? 1) It does not need to be necessarily 30 secs. But 15 at least? RDV request denied - Reserved Tank slot And maybe add a little timer thingieh.... XD 2)The other team will have ENOUGH infantry to pull off a decent AV attack on the tankers. Not like nowadays , where even with all infantry using AV , 7 tanks can still take them out. the problem is not always the quality,but in the case of tanks the numbers. Remember 3 tanks are already 16000+ EHP (AT LEAST ) WITH HARDENERS that need to be taken down.... 3)What happens when the randoms give up using tanks? I dont understand why this is a bad thing. 4)In reality the problem isn't solved its just more concentrated and more likely to play to its ultimatum quicker. In the current situation having enough tanks is why infantry can get by largely unscathed, because they have juicier targets. No.In the current situation having 4+ GOOD tankers on one side makes a game impossible, yup you read right, IMPOSSIBLE to win for infantry.Yesterday,in a pub skirm, we got redlined in Ashland by 5 tanks. There was NOTHING to do, you called in a tank, rail sniped. You took out AV wither a tank killed you because they always had hardeners on OR infantry killed you because you didnt have weaponry appropriate for killing infantry. Belive me , INFANTRY DOES NOT GET ''UNSCATHED''. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3382	Posted - 2013.12.20 01:46:00 - [22] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: only if there can only be 5 medium frames, 2 heavies, and 3 scouts. also, no more than 1 forge gun and 1 swarm launcher. everyone else has to use a Frontline starter fit. LOL no. Vehicle =/= infantry. I know some of you struggle with this but... @ Garrett Blacknova:Thats nice. cool story bro. The problem is still here. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3382	Posted - 2013.12.20 01:55:00 - [23] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: @ Garrett Blacknova:Thats nice. cool story bro. The problem is still here. The main problem is stupid people. Good luck finding a solution with game mechanics that isn't "make CoD in space". Stupid people will be stupid. Smart people will find ways to exploit their stupidity as long as the game is intelligent enough to allow it. I've seen multiple games of DUST where a tank-heavy team has either been straight-up dominated by infantry or has had the tides turned by a couple of SMART moves when they were dominating. You think you are so smart just because they got confident and did not went hunting your butt with Proto scanners? You just got lucky.. ;) Whatever you say wont change the fact tanks are too cheap,and tank spam is a problem. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3383	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:39:00 - [24] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: 4)In reality the problem isn't solved its just more concentrated and more likely to play to its ultimatum quicker. In the current situation having enough tanks is why infantry can get by largely unscathed, because they have juicier targets. No.In the current situation having 4+ GOOD tankers on one side makes a game impossible, yup you read right, IMPOSSIBLE to win for infantry.Yesterday,in a pub skirm, we got redlined in Ashland by 5 tanks. There was NOTHING to do, you called in a tank, rail sniped. You took out AV wither a tank killed you because they always had hardeners on OR infantry killed you because you didnt have weaponry appropriate for killing infantry. Belive me , INFANTRY DOES NOT GET ''UNSCATHED''. That's nice. I joined a pub match where the enemy team had a wall of tanks redlining us. Guess what I did? I ducked as far back as the redline allowed, went around skirting the edges of the non-lethal area until I was far enough forward to see enemies, then backed up just a little, and dropped an Uplink behind a ridge so my teammates could spawn there. Then I drew a little fire my way, before falling back and watching as teammates started spawning and drawing enemy fire towards that side of our redline. I went off towards the other side of it, snuck out past the back end of the tank blockade which was now looking the other way, AND CALLED IN A TANK. I had a building to cover me against Railgun fire, so their tanks couldn't shoot me down, and I was far enough out of the way not to get murdered on landing. I had time to hop in, get my bearings, then head into combat. I got lucky rounding the corner into an enemy tank with its hardeners down. BOOM. Next one was an armour tank against my Missiles, and took heavy damage even through its hardener - obviously it had been cycling them for dealing with our infantry and didn't have a second hardener to pop at a moment's notice. That forced them to fall back, breaking the enemy line and letting my team start to move up. Another guy called in his own tank while the enemy blockade was disrupted, and it landed safely, though it took some damage before he could get his actives running. This turned the fight into 2 vs. 5, but that was enough - in conjunction with the couple of AV guys good enough not to have already died - to tip the balance. No, we didn't wipe out their tanks. No, my tank didn't single-handedly win the day. MY UPLINK DID MORE OF THE WORK THAN MY TANK. If I had been running my Scout alt instead of my tanker, I'd have used my Uplink fitting, done basically the same thing to start with, but then run around the back of the enemy team and gone to hack the objectives instead of calling in my tank. Obviously, I'd keep an eye out for REs, because they tend not to be too friendly towards Scouts while we hack things. Before even considering keeping this argument up: Question: DID YOU WIN THAT GAME? AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3384	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:11:00 - [25] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: DID YOU WIN THAT GAME? Yes. It was a really, REALLY close finish. We were down to 3 clones on my team's side, and our MCC was in critical damage when theirs finally died. As mentioned, when I joined, my team was redlined, and we were pretty far down on clone count, but the enemy only had a small lead on MCC damage and it was early enough to still turn things around (our MCC was a around 1/4 shield strength) Well i congratulate you on you skills and good strategies. +1 Doesnt change the fact Tank spam is a problem thou. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3448	Posted - 2013.12.22 18:01:00 - [26] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I have an idea also then We restrict how many infantry we are allowed also So only 1 protobear of any suit is allowed in Only 2 heavys are allowed and also 2 logis with 2 assault frames, the remaining 10spaces are 5 commandos and 5 scouts It would be more akin to saying only 2 heavies per side, don't blow things out of proportion, try actually having a discussion. No fair is fair If you restrict vehicles then we restrict the amount of infantry classes too PROTO INFANTRY can be taken down by MLT weaponry. MLT Vehicles,specially tanks,cant be taken down my PROTO Weapons. Its by no means the same , and you are stupid for implying so. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446

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