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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2387	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:21:00 - [31] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: WOW. Well, back to pub matches then. FW was stuipid anyways. Only reason I played it was possibly to make my suit much cheaper... But if it's capped out at 659, then I have to play 200 matches just to get one suit at a much cheaper cost. Or I can play one public match and get isk enough for 3. Good job. It makes my head hurt to try and figure out their reasoning for this. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1644	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:28:00 - [32] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Hey FoxFour, can we get actual numbers for loyalty point payouts with regards to standings instead of guestimating with this horrid graph? Would like to make some tools but don't have the numbers. And that graph is horribly out of date... >.< I changed the numbers like 3 days before release :( Will try and get updated numbers out and in a table format as well instead of just graph. :) Should have just taken that graph and removed a zero from each of the lp payouts. Level 10 would be 3,500 for instance. Level 1, 350 level 4, 500 level 6, 1000 That seems much better. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 191	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:59:00 - [33] - Quote This has killed FW for me. I see no point in burning my ISK for such meager payouts. Either add ISK or increase the LP payouts. But if this is there plan for FW, good luck finding opponents. You can find me in the Pubs. The one thing I was enjoying in this patch, & you just had to go & ruin it didn't you? Goodjob Foxfour, someone get this man a soccer ball :P, he's earned it this time. Edit, & what about those of us who purchased boosters based on the FALSE information you provided to us? I take serious issue with this. When my time & money are wasted because of your mistake, however minor may seem to you.
Oswald Rehnquist 888	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:59:00 - [34] - Quote This will definitely match fighting for troubled factions more difficult Below 28 dB
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4109	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:32:00 - [35] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Dev blog updated with this image: [img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65526/1/fw_devblog_11_lppayouttable.png[/img] This could buy you 5 prototype suits for a win. I'll be nice and round up. Prototype suits cost around 58k ISK. So 290k ISK per win, and only if you win. It's not uncommon to make over 300k for a win in pub matches. And if you lose, you only get enough for one suit which is only 58k payout? And then you have to subtract the ISK value you still have to pay on the loyalty store. You do realize this is for level 10 standing, where you have to earn it through 200 wins? How could you think it was a good idea to go so low? Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 191	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:38:00 - [36] - Quote The fact that they couldn't even post the correct chart shows how much thought was put into the release. The story of Dust, great ideas, **** poor execution.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 484	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:45:00 - [37] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Dev blog updated with this image: [img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65526/1/fw_devblog_11_lppayouttable.png[/img] https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=999109#post999109 Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter. Working as intended.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1269	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:49:00 - [38] - Quote Absolute Idiom II wrote: Wow. What was the rationale in adjusting the LP payouts to be so low, when you initially had the payouts much higher? First numbers showed something like 30k LP for a win at level 10? This seemed like too much. But not even 1000LP for a win? That's way too low.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5902	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:59:00 - [39] - Quote This needs to be fixed. That is just too low. I was expecting maybe a 1,000 LP per match at level 10. But 659? Come on. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4109	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:01:00 - [40] - Quote Let's do the math 1 Protosuit = 155 LP + 8,653 ISK 1 Protosuit = 57,690 ISK 155 LP + 8,653 ISK = 57,690 ISK 155 LP = 49,037 ISK 1 LP = 316.37 ISK Level 10 winning = 659 LP = 208,486 ISK Level 10 losing = 165 LP = 52,200 ISK Level 10 requires strong devotion for your faction, only earned after 200 wins for that faction. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor

Agent Monroe Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:19:00 - [41] - Quote Well when I looked at the original graph the first time I understood that it might be the amount of LP you have gained by that level not how much per match. This message was brought to you by Gives Zero Flux. (Insert Witty Ad Here)
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 602	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:56:00 - [42] - Quote So going by the battles won graph: between level 5 - 10 We have to win 8 times the battles to win 2 times the SP CCP do you really regard this as fair? "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2098	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:05:00 - [43] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Hey FoxFour, can we get actual numbers for loyalty point payouts with regards to standings instead of guestimating with this horrid graph? Would like to make some tools but don't have the numbers. And that graph is horribly out of date... >.< I changed the numbers like 3 days before release :( Will try and get updated numbers out and in a table format as well instead of just graph. :) Who the hell liked this post? His mom? YOU CHANGED IT 3 DAYS BEFORE RELEASE? Can we please start a petition to get this person fired? Seriously you're in the wrong field, get out. How did this happen? How did you not know about the sticky REs? Why does Wolfman keep getting surprised by unannounced weapon tweaks? NAME ONE EVE ONLINE BLOG WHERE THE NUMBERS CHANGE 3 DAYS BEFORE RELEASE. You guys were just guessing. : ( Even the screenshot for Factional Warfare end of battle screen was a fake! 3 days is not horribly out of date, it's 3 days!
crazy space GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2119	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:05:00 - [44] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Hey FoxFour, can we get actual numbers for loyalty point payouts with regards to standings instead of guestimating with this horrid graph? Would like to make some tools but don't have the numbers. And that graph is horribly out of date... >.< I changed the numbers like 3 days before release :( Will try and get updated numbers out and in a table format as well instead of just graph. :) Who the hell liked this post? His mom? YOU CHANGED IT 3 DAYS BEFORE RELEASE? Can we please start a petition to get this person fired? Seriously you're in the wrong field, get out. How did this happen? How did you not know about the sticky REs? Why does Wolfman keep getting surprised by unannounced weapon tweaks? NAME ONE EVE ONLINE BLOG WHERE THE NUMBERS CHANGE 3 DAYS BEFORE RELEASE. You guys were just guessing. : ( Even the screenshot for Factional Warfare end of battle screen was a fake! 3 days is not horribly out of date, it's 3 days!
crazy space 2100046106 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2119	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:05:00 - [45] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Hey FoxFour, can we get actual numbers for loyalty point payouts with regards to standings instead of guestimating with this horrid graph? Would like to make some tools but don't have the numbers. And that graph is horribly out of date... >.< I changed the numbers like 3 days before release :( Will try and get updated numbers out and in a table format as well instead of just graph. :) Who the hell liked this post? His mom? YOU CHANGED IT 3 DAYS BEFORE RELEASE? Can we please start a petition to get this person fired? Seriously you're in the wrong field, get out. How did this happen? How did you not know about the sticky REs? Why does Wolfman keep getting surprised by unannounced weapon tweaks? NAME ONE EVE ONLINE BLOG WHERE THE NUMBERS CHANGE 3 DAYS BEFORE RELEASE. You guys were just guessing. : ( Even the screenshot for Factional Warfare end of battle screen was a fake! 3 days is not horribly out of date, it's 3 days!
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2387	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:06:00 - [46] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Hey FoxFour, can we get actual numbers for loyalty point payouts with regards to standings instead of guestimating with this horrid graph? Would like to make some tools but don't have the numbers. And that graph is horribly out of date... >.< I changed the numbers like 3 days before release :( Will try and get updated numbers out and in a table format as well instead of just graph. :) Who the hell liked this post? His mom? YOU CHANGED IT 3 DAYS BEFORE RELEASE? Can we please start a petition to get this person fired? I don't know if it needs to go that far. They have their reasoning, it's just severely flawed. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2098	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:09:00 - [47] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Hey FoxFour, can we get actual numbers for loyalty point payouts with regards to standings instead of guestimating with this horrid graph? Would like to make some tools but don't have the numbers. And that graph is horribly out of date... >.< I changed the numbers like 3 days before release :( Will try and get updated numbers out and in a table format as well instead of just graph. :) Who the hell liked this post? His mom? YOU CHANGED IT 3 DAYS BEFORE RELEASE? Can we please start a petition to get this person fired? I don't know if it needs to go that far. They have their reasoning, it's just severely flawed. No, nonsense, CCP has never done this kind of stuff with eve online. can count exceptions on my hand... I've been playing that game for 9 years, I'm here to support CCP, I can't stand watching this happen. I don't care that the numbers were changed, whats not ok is thinking it's ok to change the numbers 3 days before hand without telling the community. The dev blogs were released so they could make changes based on our feedback which is very important to us. Obviously not for dust, only in Eve online do they make changes based on player feedback. The missle ammar ships are 100% taken from a player post, they barely tweaked his numbers. Also in eve online patch notes are real. I'm getting sick of patches with SURPRISE FEATURES!
crazy space GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2119	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:09:00 - [48] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Hey FoxFour, can we get actual numbers for loyalty point payouts with regards to standings instead of guestimating with this horrid graph? Would like to make some tools but don't have the numbers. And that graph is horribly out of date... >.< I changed the numbers like 3 days before release :( Will try and get updated numbers out and in a table format as well instead of just graph. :) Who the hell liked this post? His mom? YOU CHANGED IT 3 DAYS BEFORE RELEASE? Can we please start a petition to get this person fired? I don't know if it needs to go that far. They have their reasoning, it's just severely flawed. No, nonsense, CCP has never done this kind of stuff with eve online. can count exceptions on my hand... I've been playing that game for 9 years, I'm here to support CCP, I can't stand watching this happen. I don't care that the numbers were changed, whats not ok is thinking it's ok to change the numbers 3 days before hand without telling the community. The dev blogs were released so they could make changes based on our feedback which is very important to us. Obviously not for dust, only in Eve online do they make changes based on player feedback. The missle ammar ships are 100% taken from a player post, they barely tweaked his numbers. Also in eve online patch notes are real. I'm getting sick of patches with SURPRISE FEATURES!
crazy space 2100046106 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2119	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:09:00 - [49] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Hey FoxFour, can we get actual numbers for loyalty point payouts with regards to standings instead of guestimating with this horrid graph? Would like to make some tools but don't have the numbers. And that graph is horribly out of date... >.< I changed the numbers like 3 days before release :( Will try and get updated numbers out and in a table format as well instead of just graph. :) Who the hell liked this post? His mom? YOU CHANGED IT 3 DAYS BEFORE RELEASE? Can we please start a petition to get this person fired? I don't know if it needs to go that far. They have their reasoning, it's just severely flawed. No, nonsense, CCP has never done this kind of stuff with eve online. can count exceptions on my hand... I've been playing that game for 9 years, I'm here to support CCP, I can't stand watching this happen. I don't care that the numbers were changed, whats not ok is thinking it's ok to change the numbers 3 days before hand without telling the community. The dev blogs were released so they could make changes based on our feedback which is very important to us. Obviously not for dust, only in Eve online do they make changes based on player feedback. The missle ammar ships are 100% taken from a player post, they barely tweaked his numbers. Also in eve online patch notes are real. I'm getting sick of patches with SURPRISE FEATURES!
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2098	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:18:00 - [50] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Dev blog updated with this image: [img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65526/1/fw_devblog_11_lppayouttable.png[/img] CCP Praetorian wrote: Uprising 1.7 serves as the latest important step on the DUST 514 journey, pulling together numerous additions and enhancements, whilst allowing us the opportunity to incorporate Community feedback in to our designs.

crazy space GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2119	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:18:00 - [51] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Dev blog updated with this image: [img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65526/1/fw_devblog_11_lppayouttable.png[/img] CCP Praetorian wrote: Uprising 1.7 serves as the latest important step on the DUST 514 journey, pulling together numerous additions and enhancements, whilst allowing us the opportunity to incorporate Community feedback in to our designs.
crazy space 2100046106 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2119	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:18:00 - [52] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Dev blog updated with this image: [img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65526/1/fw_devblog_11_lppayouttable.png[/img] CCP Praetorian wrote: Uprising 1.7 serves as the latest important step on the DUST 514 journey, pulling together numerous additions and enhancements, whilst allowing us the opportunity to incorporate Community feedback in to our designs.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 907	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:34:00 - [53] - Quote Like I have said before: NOTHING IN THIS GAME MATTERS. Doesnt matter in Dust 514: PC. FW Standing. Tanking Type. Other mods than DMG or HP. Does matter in Dust 514: Rifles.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1262	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:09:00 - [54] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Hey FoxFour, can we get actual numbers for loyalty point payouts with regards to standings instead of guestimating with this horrid graph? Would like to make some tools but don't have the numbers. And that graph is horribly out of date... >.< I changed the numbers like 3 days before release :( Will try and get updated numbers out and in a table format as well instead of just graph. :) Who the hell liked this post? His mom? YOU CHANGED IT 3 DAYS BEFORE RELEASE? Can we please start a petition to get this person fired? Seriously you're in the wrong field, get out. A programmer changed some numbers 3 days before release. Of course this is his only job and because of something like this he is in the wrong field. Of course. I'm pretty sure you forget stuff too. Should you be fired because of this? Probably not. But I would fire you because of your attitude. The current numbers are better than what was originally planned. 30.000 LP for every win is insane with the LP stuff costing something about 20 - 300 LP. 600 LP is way too low on the other hand. I mean you can barely get a full fitting for that. Especially considering that the losing LP payout is barely noticeable. It's not like in pub matches where you get about 150k - 200k ISK payout without having to worry about losing or winning. In my opinion something about 400 - 500 LP should be the payout for losing at level 10. Winning should give something at about 3000 - 4000 LP payout maybe. FW should be higher risk, but also give you better rewards. After all you will probably blow some suits in matches you don't win. And we need stuff from at least 2 FW stores for a full faction fitting. Either that or the introduction of the player market. Everything would be different then because we could finally sell all that salvage we aren't using, increasing our payout and we would also get the possibility to buy faction gear for ISK only.
Azri Sarum BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 210	Posted - 2013.12.13 23:25:00 - [55] - Quote While i think the payouts should be a little higher (wins are more expensive) i think people are expecting way too much. Aero yassavi did the math, last post of page 2. 1LP is worth approximately 316 isk. So converting LP to ISK payouts look like this: Level - LP - ISK Equivelent payout 0 - 326 - 103,016 2 - 375 - 118,500 4 - 432 - 136,512 6 - 497 - 157,052 8 - 572 - 180,752 10 - 659 - 208,244 1000 - 316,000 2000 - 632,000 - this level, and any number above it would be way too much. Do keep in mind that salvage will be on top of these numbers, but from my experience its mostly a collection of milita / adv modules. I would value it at an average of 25k or less. So while there are some items worth doing FW for, the ones with properties not available outside the Loyalty store, if you are just looking to gain wealth then FW is looking extremely poor for this. 200k a win is EASY to get in pub matches. 300-400k is not uncommon either, but is dependant on performance. With FW you are locked in to your rewards, and to even get up to the level of pub matches you have to grind and dedicate to a single faction for a good long while. So tldr - CCP your being cheap and should double FW LP payouts. EVE - Victor Maximus DUST - Azri Sarum
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3583	Posted - 2013.12.14 05:49:00 - [56] - Quote Azri Sarum wrote: 2000 - 632,000 - this level, and any number above it would be way too much. Not saying that it would be a good idea for everyone to get that in FW but I've actually made well over 632,000 in a pub match before. The most I've made is a little over 800,000 ISK in ac single pub.
Azri Sarum BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 210	Posted - 2013.12.14 06:57:00 - [57] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Azri Sarum wrote: 2000 - 632,000 - this level, and any number above it would be way too much. Not saying that it would be a good idea for everyone to get that in FW but I've actually made well over 632,000 in a pub match before. The most I've made is a little over 800,000 ISK in ac single pub. Don't really care about those rare games that only come once in a blue moon. We're talking about average income, and you're not averaging 600k-800k. If the average player winning a FW match got 600k then that is all anyone would play. EVE - Victor Maximus DUST - Azri Sarum
Valto Nyntus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 52	Posted - 2013.12.15 15:29:00 - [58] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Let's do the math 1 Protosuit = 155 LP + 8,653 ISK 1 Protosuit = 57,690 ISK 155 LP + 8,653 ISK = 57,690 ISK 155 LP = 49,037 ISK 1 LP = 316.37 ISK Level 10 winning = 659 LP = 208,486 ISK Level 10 losing = 165 LP = 52,200 ISK Level 10 requires strong devotion for your faction, only earned after 200 wins for that faction. Correction, you have to win 621 fw matches, you forgot to add all the levels win requirement.
Valto Hynton 2100453693 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 52	Posted - 2013.12.15 15:29:00 - [59] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Let's do the math 1 Protosuit = 155 LP + 8,653 ISK 1 Protosuit = 57,690 ISK 155 LP + 8,653 ISK = 57,690 ISK 155 LP = 49,037 ISK 1 LP = 316.37 ISK Level 10 winning = 659 LP = 208,486 ISK Level 10 losing = 165 LP = 52,200 ISK Level 10 requires strong devotion for your faction, only earned after 200 wins for that faction. Correction, you have to win 621 fw matches, you forgot to add all the levels win requirement.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2387	Posted - 2013.12.16 01:24:00 - [60] - Quote Valto Nyntus wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Let's do the math 1 Protosuit = 155 LP + 8,653 ISK 1 Protosuit = 57,690 ISK 155 LP + 8,653 ISK = 57,690 ISK 155 LP = 49,037 ISK 1 LP = 316.37 ISK Level 10 winning = 659 LP = 208,486 ISK Level 10 losing = 165 LP = 52,200 ISK Level 10 requires strong devotion for your faction, only earned after 200 wins for that faction. Correction, you have to win 621 fw matches, you forgot to add all the levels win requirement. Is this correct? Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.



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