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Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 208	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:11:00 - [1] - Quote Message from Godin: There's nothing wrong with AV. AV is perfect. It's just that Av'ers are not adapting, as they are absolutely horrible at it. They want to do what they've been doing, and they expect to get the kill. Well, it won't work. Make new tactics, and you might kill them. Hint, hit them while the hardeners are down. Note: Not everybody uses those cheap ass MLT nitro's. I sure don't. Complex nitro for me, as I'd rather run longer than faster. Peace, Godin
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4140	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:16:00 - [2] - Quote godin makes a fair and substantial point, a lot of AV users don't seem to want to adapt to the new mechanics. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 625	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:17:00 - [3] - Quote Excellent thread. {:)}{3GÇó> HTFU: adapt or die
Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 38	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:18:00 - [4] - Quote This times a billion.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1367	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:18:00 - [5] - Quote Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 625	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:20:00 - [6] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. Read the sig. {:)}{3GÇó> HTFU: adapt or die
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4142	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:21:00 - [7] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. now imagine being the ADS pilot with all of those, including the FG's, SL's, and turrets all turning the sky into a nightmare of fire and death, the damn redline tankers are making things impossible. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1368	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:22:00 - [8] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. Read te sig. wow How long did it take you to come up with that? Its SO ******* ORIGINAL! "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 210	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:25:00 - [9] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. Message from Godin: I was armed nothing but wiki swarms, a Toxin, a nanohive (quantum), some fluxes, and a Methana. In one match, I slain 8 vehicles all by myself. over half (5) were HAV's. Get good, AV's easy. just got to have skill and luck, just like in EVE.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1368	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:25:00 - [10] - Quote gbghg wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. now imagine being the ADS pilot with all of those, including the FG's, SL's, and turrets all turning the sky into a nightmare of fire and death, the damn redline tankers are making things impossible. I hit an ADS in cooldown today with 3 shots from my Wyr. Breach FG (Prof. 3, 2 Cx Dmg Mods). Took it down to half armor then it flew to it's redline (not to get out, but to resupply) then was back fully repped and tearing up the team. My FG couldn't even scratch it with its hardeners on. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 625	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:25:00 - [11] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. Read te sig. wow How long did it take you to come up with that? Its SO ******* ORIGINAL! Hay, if the shoe fits... {:)}{3GÇó> HTFU: adapt or die
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 473	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:26:00 - [12] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: There's nothing wrong with AV. AV is perfect. It's just that Av'ers are not adapting, as they are absolutely horrible at it. They want to do what they've been doing, and they expect to get the kill. Well, it won't work. Make new tactics, and you might kill them. Hint, hit them while the hardeners are down. Note: Not everybody uses those cheap ass MLT nitro's. I sure don't. Complex nitro for me, as I'd rather run longer than faster. Peace, Godin 2 shots from a proto FG to kill my gunnlogi when resistance is off... 2 shots from railgun.. *Sagaris lover!!!*
Cosgar ParagonX 8556	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:27:00 - [13] - Quote REs and mines could use some work and LAVs are near pointless, but vehicle vs AV is about as good as it's going to get right now. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 2993	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:28:00 - [14] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: There's nothing wrong with AV. AV is perfect. It's just that Av'ers are not adapting, as they are absolutely horrible at it. They want to do what they've been doing, and they expect to get the kill. Well, it won't work. Make new tactics, and you might kill them. Hint, hit them while the hardeners are down. Note: Not everybody uses those cheap ass MLT nitro's. I sure don't. Complex nitro for me, as I'd rather run longer than faster. Peace, Godin Message to Godin: You are and have always been a Biased TANKER.Of course you think AV weapons are GOOD, because they SUCK. If you are not using the BROKEN MLT A.B. good for you,but everyone else is. ''make new tactics?'' Nah, lets just do the same that TANKERS did, and QQ until CCP nerfs tanks . Have fun while it lasts King Checkmate ..I.. (-.-) ..I.. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1369	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:30:00 - [15] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: There's nothing wrong with AV. AV is perfect. It's just that Av'ers are not adapting, as they are absolutely horrible at it. They want to do what they've been doing, and they expect to get the kill. Well, it won't work. Make new tactics, and you might kill them. Hint, hit them while the hardeners are down. Note: Not everybody uses those cheap ass MLT nitro's. I sure don't. Complex nitro for me, as I'd rather run longer than faster. Peace, Godin 2 shots from a proto FG to kill my gunnlogi when resistance is off... 2 shots from railgun.. Hmm weird, a Sica took 3 shots from my Ishukone FG today, activated his Hardeners and Repper then drove straight at me firing with his Blaster A MLT HAV I guess I just need to HTFU aye? "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4142	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:31:00 - [16] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: gbghg wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. now imagine being the ADS pilot with all of those, including the FG's, SL's, and turrets all turning the sky into a nightmare of fire and death, the damn redline tankers are making things impossible. I hit an ADS in cooldown today with 3 shots from my Wyr. Breach FG (Prof. 3, 2 Cx Dmg Mods). Took it down to half armor then it flew to it's redline (not to get out, but to resupply) then was back fully repped and tearing up the team. My FG couldn't even scratch it with its hardeners on. thats the point of the hardeners, they eat up damage, as for the 3 shots, either that guy had some serius brick tank or he had boostes or something to eat that much damage. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui KOBAYASHI MARU PROJECT 183	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:32:00 - [17] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: There's nothing wrong with AV. AV is perfect. It's just that Av'ers are not adapting, as they are absolutely horrible at it. They want to do what they've been doing, and they expect to get the kill. Well, it won't work. Make new tactics, and you might kill them. Hint, hit them while the hardeners are down. Note: Not everybody uses those cheap ass MLT nitro's. I sure don't. Complex nitro for me, as I'd rather run longer than faster. Peace, Godin 2 shots from a proto FG to kill my gunnlogi when resistance is off... 2 shots from railgun.. That two shots from a railgun is a lie . No offence ... but it took me four shots to kill the tanks that I murdered . You MUST be talking about a proto railgun . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 210	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:33:00 - [18] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: There's nothing wrong with AV. AV is perfect. It's just that Av'ers are not adapting, as they are absolutely horrible at it. They want to do what they've been doing, and they expect to get the kill. Well, it won't work. Make new tactics, and you might kill them. Hint, hit them while the hardeners are down. Note: Not everybody uses those cheap ass MLT nitro's. I sure don't. Complex nitro for me, as I'd rather run longer than faster. Peace, Godin Message to Godin: You are and have always been a Biased TANKER.Of course you think AV weapons are GOOD, because they SUCK. If you are not using the BROKEN MLT A.B. good for you,but everyone else is. ''make new tactics?'' Nah, lets just do the same that TANKERS did, and QQ until CCP nerfs tanks . Have fun while it lasts King Checkmate ..I.. (-.-) ..I.. Message from Godin: Like I said, soloed 8 vehicles in a match.simple really, follow your dinner, watch as it lowers it's guard, then pounce. It's cat and mouse 101 for gods sake.......
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1369	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:35:00 - [19] - Quote gbghg wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: gbghg wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. now imagine being the ADS pilot with all of those, including the FG's, SL's, and turrets all turning the sky into a nightmare of fire and death, the damn redline tankers are making things impossible. I hit an ADS in cooldown today with 3 shots from my Wyr. Breach FG (Prof. 3, 2 Cx Dmg Mods). Took it down to half armor then it flew to it's redline (not to get out, but to resupply) then was back fully repped and tearing up the team. My FG couldn't even scratch it with its hardeners on. thats the point of the hardeners, they eat up damage, as for the 3 shots, either that guy had some serius brick tank or he had boostes or something to eat that much damage. He activated his Repper midway through my 3rd charge up, but for all of the trade offs that come with the Breach FG, I would say that is one weapon that should be able to take out a DS or Tank in 2 Hits MAX. ***, a Large Rail Turret can now fire 3 shots in the time it takes to charge the Breach FG one time, plus they can hit from over 400m away. So you tell me what is off balance. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies."* *- The Toad Sage*
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1226	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:38:00 - [20] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: There's nothing wrong with AV. AV is perfect. It's just that Av'ers are not adapting, as they are absolutely horrible at it. They want to do what they've been doing, and they expect to get the kill. Well, it won't work. Make new tactics, and you might kill them. Hint, hit them while the hardeners are down. Note: Not everybody uses those cheap ass MLT nitro's. I sure don't. Complex nitro for me, as I'd rather run longer than faster. Peace, Godin 2 shots from a proto FG to kill my gunnlogi when resistance is off... 2 shots from railgun.. That two shots from a railgun is a lie . No offence ... but it took me four shots to kill the tanks that I murdered . You MUST be talking about a proto railgun . or damage mods. i blew up tanks in 2 shots with ADV rail. takes 3 to kill gunnlogi no mods on without damage mod on. with damage 2 shots and with their resisit on. it takes me like 15 years to get through it. XD. Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D

Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 210	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:39:00 - [21] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: gbghg wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: gbghg wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. now imagine being the ADS pilot with all of those, including the FG's, SL's, and turrets all turning the sky into a nightmare of fire and death, the damn redline tankers are making things impossible. I hit an ADS in cooldown today with 3 shots from my Wyr. Breach FG (Prof. 3, 2 Cx Dmg Mods). Took it down to half armor then it flew to it's redline (not to get out, but to resupply) then was back fully repped and tearing up the team. My FG couldn't even scratch it with its hardeners on. thats the point of the hardeners, they eat up damage, as for the 3 shots, either that guy had some serius brick tank or he had boostes or something to eat that much damage. He activated his Repper midway through my 3rd charge up, but for all of the trade offs that come with the Breach FG, I would say that is one weapon that should be able to take out a DS or Tank in 2 Hits MAX. ****, a Large Rail Turret can now fire 3 shots in the time it takes to charge the Breach FG one time, plus they can hit from over 400m away. So you tell me what is off balance. Rendering for HAV's are still horrible. I literally drove up on a HAV I didn't know was there. I was about a good 20 meters away before it rendered. It was just....sitting there. Anyways, rail vs. Forge does need some looking at.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 2997	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:39:00 - [22] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: Like I said, soloed 8 vehicles in a match.simple really, follow your dinner, watch as it lowers it's guard, then pounce. It's cat and mouse 101 for gods sake....... GÖª Map dependant / there are maps where tanks will 100% of the time have the chance to flee GÖª Team dependant / You need a team taht can AT LEAST keep busy the enemy infantry for enough time to go for the kill GÖª Opinion: Null / Your opinion is worthless to me since you'll say whatever lies you can in order to keep balance in favor of vehicles. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1226	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:41:00 - [23] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: gbghg wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: gbghg wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. now imagine being the ADS pilot with all of those, including the FG's, SL's, and turrets all turning the sky into a nightmare of fire and death, the damn redline tankers are making things impossible. I hit an ADS in cooldown today with 3 shots from my Wyr. Breach FG (Prof. 3, 2 Cx Dmg Mods). Took it down to half armor then it flew to it's redline (not to get out, but to resupply) then was back fully repped and tearing up the team. My FG couldn't even scratch it with its hardeners on. thats the point of the hardeners, they eat up damage, as for the 3 shots, either that guy had some serius brick tank or he had boostes or something to eat that much damage. He activated his Repper midway through my 3rd charge up, but for all of the trade offs that come with the Breach FG, I would say that is one weapon that should be able to take out a DS or Tank in 2 Hits MAX. ****, a Large Rail Turret can now fire 3 shots in the time it takes to charge the Breach FG one time, plus they can hit from over 400m away. So you tell me what is off balance. dude 2 shots. r u dumb. tht's 6 seconds to react. or they die. and i'm assuming tht's with hardeners on which means u would be one shoting tanks if not well fitted. and ur holding a weapon. and ur comparing it to a huge tank turret. if anything the forge should hurt the user for the recoil it would have. O_o Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui KOBAYASHI MARU PROJECT 183	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:42:00 - [24] - Quote You people are talking like these mods are new or something . They might work better than the previous ones and with the extra shields and armor boost plus the supposed damage resistance these tanks should be better . That's all they had to do to the previous tanks but the prototypes would have had too many mods because of the slots so they chopped the slots in half and so when your driving your prototype tanks ( who knows when that will be ) you will really be driving the old Gunnlogi's and Madrugar's but with different names . I want to know , where were all of you current tank drivers in the last patch . There use to be six or seven LAV's and that's on one team and now it's five tanks on a team and sometimes more . Sure wish it was like that during the last patch , I wouldn't have been alone most of the time fighting three tanks by myself . Wish you would say that tanking was bad then because you would have been telling a lie . You had more slots to customize but you didn't have the advantage of having the shield and armor buff on top of the anti-vehicle nerf as well , so of course you think it's better . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 507	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:43:00 - [25] - Quote cut hardeners and damage mods for vehicles in half? this makes them weaker.. although theres really no major need for em any way other than to survive a volley of missiles from a large missile turret. or multiple railgun rounds. what would u rather see.. tanks running around with more than 5k possibly 6k armor. or cycling active armor resistance modules?
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 210	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:47:00 - [26] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: Like I said, soloed 8 vehicles in a match.simple really, follow your dinner, watch as it lowers it's guard, then pounce. It's cat and mouse 101 for gods sake....... GÖª Map dependant / there are maps where tanks will 100% of the time have the chance to flee GÖª Team dependant / You need a team taht can AT LEAST keep busy the enemy infantry for enough time to go for the kill GÖª Opinion: Null / Your opinion is worthless to me since you'll say whatever lies you can in order to keep balance in favor of vehicles. You can ask Pearson. He was with me. He got pissed as I stole one of his kills, and drove off in my LAV, and he chased after he. Something about squishing me. I think it was a Sica. a little bit after, I saved his life by switching to a Scout Shotty, and killing a forge for him, so it was all good . As for the Map dependent, this was the vehicle god map since ever, Manus Peaks, and it's FW, so I would assume that my team is doing something. Plus, if your team is getting stomped on both fronts, and you're still trying to do your job and expect to win: 1: That dedication, sweet 2: That foolishness, lol
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 210	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:49:00 - [27] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: cut hardeners and damage mods for vehicles in half? this makes them weaker.. although theres really no major need for em any way other than to survive a volley of missiles from a large missile turret. or multiple railgun rounds. what would u rather see.. tanks running around with more than 5k possibly 6k armor. or cycling active armor resistance modules? Message from Godin: Neither. It's fine as is.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1373	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:50:00 - [28] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Rendering for HAV's are still horrible. I literally drove up on a HAV I didn't know was there. I was about a good 20 meters away before it rendered. It was just....sitting there. Anyways, rail vs. Forge does need some looking at. Rendering is a separate issue. While I do understand rendering may sometimes be a problem, it doesn't seem to be a problem when I get hit by a Railtank that is a good 300m past the Redline which I had no idea was even there. The farthest I have been hit by these is about 460m. That is 160m farther away than the FG is capable of dealing damage, with 3x the rate of fire... Well, like you said, Rail vs FG needs to be looked at, especially considering the FG is a Railgun. Thanks for acknowledging that, most HAV drivers would just spout some stupid recycled catchphrase. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1373	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:56:00 - [29] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: dude 2 shots. r u dumb. tht's 6 seconds to react. or they die. and i'm assuming tht's with hardeners on which means u would be one shoting tanks if not well fitted. and ur holding a weapon. and ur comparing it to a huge tank turret. if anything the forge should hurt the user for the recoil it would have. O_o Yea it is six seconds. Six seconds in which I am completely and utterly vulnerable to any and all Infantry and or vehicles who wish to attack me. Six seconds in which I can not move. How long does it take to kill a Heavy with an infantry Rifle again? What about other infantry weapons: Mass Driver, SMG, Shotgun, et al? What about a Blaster Turret? Missile Turret? Rail Turret? Yes 2 shots would be more than balanced. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 210	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:59:00 - [30] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: Rendering for HAV's are still horrible. I literally drove up on a HAV I didn't know was there. I was about a good 20 meters away before it rendered. It was just....sitting there. Anyways, rail vs. Forge does need some looking at. Rendering is a separate issue. While I do understand rendering may sometimes be a problem, it doesn't seem to be a problem when I get hit by a Railtank that is a good 300m past the Redline which I had no idea was even there. The farthest I have been hit by these is about 460m. That is 160m farther away than the FG is capable of dealing damage, with 3x the rate of fire... Well, like you said, Rail vs FG needs to be looked at, especially considering the FG is a Railgun. Thanks for acknowledging that, most HAV drivers would just spout some stupid recycled catchphrase. Message from Godin: I'm not a complete idiot. And yes, I know Rails have better rendering. But it's still as weird as it. I was with this guy earlier, and he didn't see a HAV drive right at him util it literally crashed into him. other times, he can see 450+m out lol.

calvin b SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER 1169	Posted - 2013.12.12 03:09:00 - [31] - Quote Sorry to tell you this but I am a decent AV user and I have destroyed enough tanks, ds, and LAV's. The fact is it takes a squad to kill one tank now. That is 4-6 people that are not hacking or protecting a point. Now multiply that by three tanks and it is F*** insane because everyone is to busy trying not to die from tanks and infantry while trying to kill said tanks and infantry while trying to capture or hold a point. Limit the number of tanks or give us a tank free environment that would help a lot.** The evil hidden in the name
DeadlyAztec11 2729	Posted - 2013.12.12 03:13:00 - [32] - Quote AV is really only UP because the Nitro is gliched. Kind of messed up that HAV's can run away from Swarm Missiles that were fired from 30 feet away... Once this is fixed AV "should" be fine. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3007	Posted - 2013.12.12 03:19:00 - [33] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: Like I said, soloed 8 vehicles in a match.simple really, follow your dinner, watch as it lowers it's guard, then pounce. It's cat and mouse 101 for gods sake....... GÖª Map dependant / there are maps where tanks will 100% of the time have the chance to flee GÖª Team dependant / You need a team taht can AT LEAST keep busy the enemy infantry for enough time to go for the kill GÖª Opinion: Null / Your opinion is worthless to me since you'll say whatever lies you can in order to keep balance in favor of vehicles. You can ask Pearson. He was with me. He got pissed as I stole one of his kills, and drove off in my LAV, and he chased after he. Something about squishing me. I think it was a Sica. a little bit after, I saved his life by switching to a Scout Shotty, and killing a forge for him, so it was all good . As for the Map dependent, this was the vehicle god map since ever, Manus Peaks, and it's FW, so I would assume that my team is doing something. Plus, if your team is getting stomped on both fronts, and you're still trying to do your job and expect to win: 1: That dedication, sweet 2: That foolishness, lol Oh so you were playing with a squad. hmm. Interesting. I would love to put you ALONE in FW vs 10 organized Corp memeber with 7 tanks see how many you bring down, with all the infantry shooting at you,scanners giving our your position, and Blitzkrieg tanks closing up on you while you cant deal any damage at all. Teamwork = OP? yes of course Should it be NECESSARY to play in a team in order to have fun? NO. You seem someone that knows a lot about Dust. But you get confused really easily. manus peaks is an AV map.makes AV'ing Easy. NOT TANK. AV. Try LINE HARVEST or Ash land. Maps where tanks have Cover every 20 mts. Manus Peaks, Pfft. Joke. 3. Your dilussions of greatness? Sad SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5855	Posted - 2013.12.12 03:20:00 - [34] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: There's nothing wrong with AV. AV is perfect. It's just that Av'ers are not adapting, as they are absolutely horrible at it. They want to do what they've been doing, and they expect to get the kill. Well, it won't work. Make new tactics, and you might kill them. Hint, hit them while the hardeners are down. Note: Not everybody uses those cheap ass MLT nitro's. I sure don't. Complex nitro for me, as I'd rather run longer than faster. Peace, Godin Godin be with you. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2365	Posted - 2013.12.12 03:20:00 - [35] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. Message from Godin: I was armed nothing but wiki swarms, a Toxin, a nanohive (quantum), some fluxes, and a Methana. In one match, I slain 8 vehicles all by myself. over half (5) were HAV's. Get good, AV's easy. just got to have skill and luck, just like in EVE. Let me guess most were militia (Or stupid)? I've destroyed quite a few militia tanks. I've destroyed about 2 or 3 standard tanks with my proto swarms with prof 4 and three complex damage mods although I don't get much of a profit though since I have to get too close and end up being killed by either infantry or a tank (Especially since tanks have been getting spammed like crazy). Also not to mention as soon as I start hitting a tank it either a. runs away to where I cant lock on or b. runs away and recalls vehicle. Also I've always waited until modules were on cooldown even before 1.7 unless it was a militia tank. Any worthwhile AVer did that.
Foxhound Elite The Rainbow Effect 584	Posted - 2013.12.12 03:21:00 - [36] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: gbghg wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. now imagine being the ADS pilot with all of those, including the FG's, SL's, and turrets all turning the sky into a nightmare of fire and death, the damn redline tankers are making things impossible. I hit an ADS in cooldown today with 3 shots from my Wyr. Breach FG (Prof. 3, 2 Cx Dmg Mods). Took it down to half armor then it flew to it's redline (not to get out, but to resupply) then was back fully repped and tearing up the team. My FG couldn't even scratch it with its hardeners on. hah that was me, cause I killed ya. Python pilot, troop-transport specialist and an all-round ballbag.
Her Nibs Pradox One Proficiency V. 91	Posted - 2013.12.12 03:26:00 - [37] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: There's nothing wrong with AV. AV is perfect. It's just that Av'ers are not adapting, as they are absolutely horrible at it. They want to do what they've been doing, and they expect to get the kill. Well, it won't work. Make new tactics, and you might kill them. Hint, hit them while the hardeners are down. Note: Not everybody uses those cheap ass MLT nitro's. I sure don't. Complex nitro for me, as I'd rather run longer than faster. Peace, Godin Message to Godin: You are and have always been a Biased TANKER.Of course you think AV weapons are GOOD, because they SUCK. If you are not using the BROKEN MLT A.B. good for you,but everyone else is. ''make new tactics?'' Nah, lets just do the same that TANKERS did, and QQ until CCP nerfs tanks . Have fun while it lasts King Checkmate ..I.. (-.-) ..I.. I above this message. What the Fu&k was CCP thinking of. Making things even?????? I'd hate to ask them for change of a $20.......I'd probably get $4 back which is the way they nerfed AV A man without a woman is a bachelor, A woman without a man is a GENIUS
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1376	Posted - 2013.12.12 03:27:00 - [38] - Quote Foxhound Elite wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: gbghg wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. now imagine being the ADS pilot with all of those, including the FG's, SL's, and turrets all turning the sky into a nightmare of fire and death, the damn redline tankers are making things impossible. I hit an ADS in cooldown today with 3 shots from my Wyr. Breach FG (Prof. 3, 2 Cx Dmg Mods). Took it down to half armor then it flew to it's redline (not to get out, but to resupply) then was back fully repped and tearing up the team. My FG couldn't even scratch it with its hardeners on. hah that was me, cause I killed ya. Haha yea you guys were in that match! Thanks for corroborating! "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Foxhound Elite The Rainbow Effect 584	Posted - 2013.12.12 03:31:00 - [39] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Foxhound Elite wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: gbghg wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. now imagine being the ADS pilot with all of those, including the FG's, SL's, and turrets all turning the sky into a nightmare of fire and death, the damn redline tankers are making things impossible. I hit an ADS in cooldown today with 3 shots from my Wyr. Breach FG (Prof. 3, 2 Cx Dmg Mods). Took it down to half armor then it flew to it's redline (not to get out, but to resupply) then was back fully repped and tearing up the team. My FG couldn't even scratch it with its hardeners on. hah that was me, cause I killed ya. Haha yea you guys were in that match! Thanks for corroborating! I'll be honest though, without my single hardener on, i'd be screwed. I have died a bit already, being shot by forge guns / rails, when my hardener down. It takes one or two shots to take out my shields still, but I play the way a Python should be played; fly in, hardener on, rain down missiles, tank damage, ... when it gets hot / hardeners down, I activate my Afterburner, evasive maneuver myself out of there. Python pilot, troop-transport specialist and an all-round ballbag.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 211	Posted - 2013.12.12 03:36:00 - [40] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: Like I said, soloed 8 vehicles in a match.simple really, follow your dinner, watch as it lowers it's guard, then pounce. It's cat and mouse 101 for gods sake....... GÖª Map dependant / there are maps where tanks will 100% of the time have the chance to flee GÖª Team dependant / You need a team taht can AT LEAST keep busy the enemy infantry for enough time to go for the kill GÖª Opinion: Null / Your opinion is worthless to me since you'll say whatever lies you can in order to keep balance in favor of vehicles. You can ask Pearson. He was with me. He got pissed as I stole one of his kills, and drove off in my LAV, and he chased after he. Something about squishing me. I think it was a Sica. a little bit after, I saved his life by switching to a Scout Shotty, and killing a forge for him, so it was all good . As for the Map dependent, this was the vehicle god map since ever, Manus Peaks, and it's FW, so I would assume that my team is doing something. Plus, if your team is getting stomped on both fronts, and you're still trying to do your job and expect to win: 1: That dedication, sweet 2: That foolishness, lol Oh so you were playing with a squad. hmm. Interesting. I would love to put you ALONE in FW vs 10 organized Corp memeber with 7 tanks see how many you bring down, with all the infantry shooting at you,scanners giving our your position, and Blitzkrieg tanks closing up on you while you cant deal any damage at all. Teamwork = OP? yes of course Should it be NECESSARY to play in a team in order to have fun? NO. You seem someone that knows a lot about Dust. But you get confused really easily. manus peaks is an AV map.makes AV'ing Easy. NOT TANK. AV. Try LINE HARVEST or Ash land. Maps where tanks have Cover every 20 mts. Manus Peaks, Pfft. Joke. 3. Your dilussions of greatness? Sad Message from Godin: 1: Manus Peaks is a baller vehicle map. no city socket=vehicles can see you 2:We weren't working togetherif that's what you were getting at. Just talking and stuff. At one point, we did, but that was one game, and I wasn't AVing or piloting anymore, just ground pounding with the Chromosome Scouts again. 3:The 5 pilots were working together. At one point, I had to scare them away from each other. It was very hard, but I pulled it off. 4: I ******* hate Ash Land. Line Harvest is #2 because of the obj's having blind spots, but being mainly open. note: The best vehicle map was the skirmish 1.0 map, hands down.

Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 211	Posted - 2013.12.12 03:41:00 - [41] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. Message from Godin: I was armed nothing but wiki swarms, a Toxin, a nanohive (quantum), some fluxes, and a Methana. In one match, I slain 8 vehicles all by myself. over half (5) were HAV's. Get good, AV's easy. just got to have skill and luck, just like in EVE. Let me guess most were militia (Or stupid)? I've destroyed quite a few militia tanks. I've destroyed about 2 or 3 standard tanks with my proto swarms with prof 4 and three complex damage mods although I don't get much of a profit though since I have to get too close and end up being killed by either infantry or a tank (Especially since tanks have been getting spammed like crazy). Also not to mention as soon as I start hitting a tank it either a. runs away to where I cant lock on or b. runs away and recalls vehicle. Also I've always waited until modules were on cooldown even before 1.7 unless it was a militia tank. Any worthwhile AVer did that. Message from Godin: They were all Tech 1 and 2 vehicles- 3 Gunnlogi's 2 Maddy's a Python a Grimseies a State Saga Also, you're right; they don't pay enough for it. All I got was 248k for killing all that **** and WP's either really.
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2365	Posted - 2013.12.12 03:53:00 - [42] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. Message from Godin: I was armed nothing but wiki swarms, a Toxin, a nanohive (quantum), some fluxes, and a Methana. In one match, I slain 8 vehicles all by myself. over half (5) were HAV's. Get good, AV's easy. just got to have skill and luck, just like in EVE. Let me guess most were militia (Or stupid)? I've destroyed quite a few militia tanks. I've destroyed about 2 or 3 standard tanks with my proto swarms with prof 4 and three complex damage mods although I don't get much of a profit though since I have to get too close and end up being killed by either infantry or a tank (Especially since tanks have been getting spammed like crazy). Also not to mention as soon as I start hitting a tank it either a. runs away to where I cant lock on or b. runs away and recalls vehicle. Also I've always waited until modules were on cooldown even before 1.7 unless it was a militia tank. Any worthwhile AVer did that. Message from Godin: They were all Tech 1 and 2 vehicles- 3 Gunnlogi's 2 Maddy's a Python a Grimseies a State Saga Also, you're right; they don't pay enough for it. All I got was 248k for killing all that **** and WP's either really. That's the thing though if you can't make a profit as efficiently as another class then why would you want to play the class if you can't afford to keep playing it when there are other classes that make 2x more isk for the same or sometimes even less effort? (Of course there are people who play what they enjoy like me though but that enjoyment starts fading once you realize you can't be near as effective since you're losing too much money to run effective fits. Tankers should already know how that feels. Also I've been an AV specialist since the E3 build)
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 212	Posted - 2013.12.12 04:11:00 - [43] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Easier said than done when there is 2 Blaster HAVs circling underneath the Helipad I'm on like sharks, a Rail tank sniping at me from 400 M away, and a ADS Hovering over my head firing Missiles at me while I try to charge my ridiculously nerfed into oblivion Forge Gun. Message from Godin: I was armed nothing but wiki swarms, a Toxin, a nanohive (quantum), some fluxes, and a Methana. In one match, I slain 8 vehicles all by myself. over half (5) were HAV's. Get good, AV's easy. just got to have skill and luck, just like in EVE. Let me guess most were militia (Or stupid)? I've destroyed quite a few militia tanks. I've destroyed about 2 or 3 standard tanks with my proto swarms with prof 4 and three complex damage mods although I don't get much of a profit though since I have to get too close and end up being killed by either infantry or a tank (Especially since tanks have been getting spammed like crazy). Also not to mention as soon as I start hitting a tank it either a. runs away to where I cant lock on or b. runs away and recalls vehicle. Also I've always waited until modules were on cooldown even before 1.7 unless it was a militia tank. Any worthwhile AVer did that. Message from Godin: They were all Tech 1 and 2 vehicles- 3 Gunnlogi's 2 Maddy's a Python a Grimseies a State Saga Also, you're right; they don't pay enough for it. All I got was 248k for killing all that **** and WP's either really. That's the thing though if you can't make a profit as efficiently as another class then why would you want to play the class if you can't afford to keep playing it when there are other classes that make 2x more isk for the same or sometimes even less effort? (Of course there are people who play what they enjoy like me though but that enjoyment starts fading once you realize you can't be near as effective since you're losing too much money to run effective fits. Tankers should already know how that feels. Also I've been an AV specialist since the E3 build) Message from Godin: You don't make much from piloting either still, so it's even really. IMO, doing certain things like AVing or piloting (say vehicle-preformed actions are worth more) gets a better payout than regular infantry. As a result, we are in danger of dying more often, and our stuff costs slightl more. the regular infantry gets paid the least, but they die less, and their stuff is cheaper.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3019	Posted - 2013.12.12 04:19:00 - [44] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: 1: Manus Peaks is a baller vehicle map. no city socket=vehicles can see you 2:We weren't working togetherif that's what you were getting at. Just talking and stuff. At one point, we did, but that was one game, and I wasn't AVing or piloting anymore, just ground pounding with the Chromosome Scouts again. 3:The 5 pilots were working together. At one point, I had to scare them away from each other. It was very hard, but I pulled it off. 4: I ***** hate Ash Land. Line Harvest is #2 because of the obj's having blind spots, but being mainly open. note: The best vehicle map was the skirmish 1.0 map, hands down. 1- Nope. You can just get on a mountain with a FG . Its not hard. You see all the map. GG tanks... (i mean if my Breach FG could do some damage ...).So if i can see this and you cant..... 2-Then good for you for being the allmighty god of both AV and weaponry. Still: a)requiring to be god mode player in order to effectivley AV is not balanced in any way. b)Being a Pro-tanker with a god complex that will say anything in order to get what he wants or sound smart even going as far as asking players to lie for you (not saying you have, just saying you would), i will call BS on your previous tale. 3-Sure 4-Ashaland and line harvest are the 2 most OP tank maps. I've said it. SCR User Since release.** Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 460	Posted - 2013.12.12 04:25:00 - [45] - Quote AV is useless. Tankers are the new FOTM. CCP Logibro is awesome.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 212	Posted - 2013.12.12 04:32:00 - [46] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: 1: Manus Peaks is a baller vehicle map. no city socket=vehicles can see you 2:We weren't working togetherif that's what you were getting at. Just talking and stuff. At one point, we did, but that was one game, and I wasn't AVing or piloting anymore, just ground pounding with the Chromosome Scouts again. 3:The 5 pilots were working together. At one point, I had to scare them away from each other. It was very hard, but I pulled it off. 4: I ***** hate Ash Land. Line Harvest is #2 because of the obj's having blind spots, but being mainly open. note: The best vehicle map was the skirmish 1.0 map, hands down. 1- Nope. You can just get on a mountain with a FG . Its not hard. You see all the map. GG tanks... (i mean if my Breach FG could do some damage ...).So if i can see this and you cant..... 2-Then good for you for being the allmighty god of both AV and weaponry. Still: a)requiring to be god mode player in order to effectivley AV is not balanced in any way. b)Being a Pro-tanker with a god complex that will say anything in order to get what he wants or sound smart even going as far as asking players to lie for you (not saying you have, just saying you would), i will call BS on your previous tale. 3-Sure 4-Ashaland and line harvest are the 2 most OP tank maps. I've said it. Message from Godin: 1: I can actually climb the mountain now lol 2:Not a god. I've seen better than my display. crazy RE'er killed 14 vehicles in a match. I sat back and watched him/her. After some practice testing his/her method of sneaking, I used said fit (LAV, wiki swarm, fluxes, nanohive), and got 8. 3: You're just mad because I'm better at adapting better than you. 4: Whatever, it's an objective opinion. Really, I'm biased for MP because I've had my best games on it. All over 100 kills. But the skirmish 1.0 map is still the absolute best one that Dust ever had. It was pure fun, even though the game ran like ** lol.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 212	Posted - 2013.12.12 04:37:00 - [47] - Quote IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote: AV is useless. Tankers are the new FOTM. message from Godin: It'll pass. this is a FOTM that can be broken through using your brain and hurting their wallets.


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