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xSir Campsalotx wrote:

Overheating prevents it from having as long as a continuous fire as the AR but leaves dps unchanged unless your comparing the dps of the entire clip of both weapons in which the scrambler would have significantly less but we both know neither weapon requires an entire clip to kill really only till your reach about 1800hp worth of damage (maxed out heavy) really all dps in its truest form determines who will kill first.

Pro cal assualt 700 hp Imperial will kill in 7 shots leaves 8 to be missed
Pro cal assualt 700 hp duvolle takes 14 shots about

who will win most likely the imperial guy simply becasue he has a built in advantage of at least 50% and up to almpst 100%
and since they have almost the same range their is nowhere for the AR to win he cant outrange or dps

hmg beats ar in close but ar can outrange, ar can beat laser but laser can outrange, laser beats sniper but sniper can outrange notice a pattern scrambler takes a sh*t on this ar has no mechanical advantage like the others hell technically the scrambler beats everything it shares a range or has more than. it beats hmg, ar, and shotgun (assuming you can survive initial shotgun shot which most pro suits can)

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RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 229	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:57:00 - [1] - Quote I am ashamed at your slackery! You all know that charged shot is simply ridiculous. It's TAC AR 2.0 out there.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10607	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:58:00 - [2] - Quote because bpo whining is more important. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 229	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:58:00 - [3] - Quote I submit evidence of my claim here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 1768	Posted - 2013.11.24 10:03:00 - [4] - Quote RevoL Frog wrote: I submit evidence of my claim here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 SMH, one thread uses this to argue the logi and specifically the gallente logi are OP, this one uses it to argue the Scr is OP. Just a funny observation. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 229	Posted - 2013.11.24 10:11:00 - [5] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: RevoL Frog wrote: I submit evidence of my claim here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 SMH, one thread uses this to argue the logi and specifically the gallente logi are OP, this one uses it to argue the Scr is OP. Just a funny observation. Good player in the video. He's using everything possible to his advantage, and I salute his abilities. I see the problem as not the suit, but as the weapon. Had he been using a DuVolle it would have been much different story on several occasions. The only thing that even remotely comes close to the performance of the Imperial Scrambler Rifle is the pre-nerf TAC AR, and we know how that turned out.
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 742	Posted - 2013.11.24 10:35:00 - [6] - Quote RevoL Frog wrote: I submit evidence of my claim here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 ^ Haters gon' hate! Purification. It's what I do.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 916	Posted - 2013.11.24 10:38:00 - [7] - Quote RevoL Frog wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: RevoL Frog wrote: I submit evidence of my claim here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 SMH, one thread uses this to argue the logi and specifically the gallente logi are OP, this one uses it to argue the Scr is OP. Just a funny observation. Good player in the video. He's using everything possible to his advantage, and I salute his abilities. I see the problem as not the suit, but as the weapon. Had he been using a DuVolle it would have been much different story on several occasions. The only thing that even remotely comes close to the performance of the Imperial Scrambler Rifle is the pre-nerf TAC AR, and we know how that turned out. I just watched a man go 51-0 tonight with a Duvolle. Nerf ARs. After weighing the Pros and Cons of the ScR, I have determined it to be worse than the pernerf TAC. Honestly though, the ScR is no more OP than the AR. They are both disgustingly OP, but don't try to pretend ARs are balanced. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered. REMOVE ALL BPOs
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1874	Posted - 2013.11.24 10:40:00 - [8] - Quote Simple. Because the majority of the community uses it or have friends who use it. It's a boys club thing. If you're in it, you speak nothing of the SCR but say everything bad about AR.
xSir Campsalotx Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 76	Posted - 2013.11.24 10:58:00 - [9] - Quote Agreed i think the Scambler Rifles are overpowered (the single shot ones) but a more OP weapon and the one that transcends all is the Core Grenade. I have them i dont like having to use them but you have to in PC battles especially against people that sit on a nanohive and spam them. They need to be fixed I suggest removing the cook option and possibly setting a 3 sec timer.
Himiko Kuronaga The Generals EoN. 2352	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:23:00 - [10] - Quote Gota disagree here. The scrambler is meant to do exactly this. It is a 1v1 superiority weapon with checks and balances that keep it from killing everybody at once like the TAC did. All fights in that video were picked intelligently, and it is the enemy teams fault for coming at him one at a time like an old kung fu movie. The TAC had no business doing that nonsense however. The AR is a medium to close range kill-everyone device. The TAC was meant to give some versatility to a weapon skill that was never intended as an broad-range dueling superiority weapon. It was abused to an extreme extent and had no checks or balances, thanks to the lack of overheat, it could solo the universe quite easily at any range it pleased. If a semi-auto weapon is incapable of 1v1 or range superiority, it has no real value.

Scheherazade VII 179	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:51:00 - [11] - Quote RevoL Frog wrote: I am ashamed at your slackery! You all know that charged shot is simply ridiculous. It's TAC AR 2.0 out there. nah man the scrambler rifle charge shot barely does any damage what are you on about? GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 298	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:54:00 - [12] - Quote And so it begins......
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 923	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:57:00 - [13] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: RevoL Frog wrote: I am ashamed at your slackery! You all know that charged shot is simply ridiculous. It's TAC AR 2.0 out there. nah man the scrambler rifle charge shot barely does any damage what are you on about? Your link is broken. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered. REMOVE ALL BPOs
xSir Campsalotx Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 78	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:59:00 - [14] - Quote Agreed but your scrabler rifle can have upwards of 1200dps and duvolle barely breaks 600 i think it should have a advantage but does it really have to be twice as deadly. I run HMG so they beat me either way. 37.5 duvolle x 1.15 (15%) prof times the 2 damage mods at 1.18 for both (18%) x 12.5 rof =636 dps a common setup i see run 78.5 imperial x 1.15 (15%) prof times the 2 damage mods at 1.18 for both (18%) x 11.7 rof= 1246 dps a common setup i see run (the dps on this weapon is similar to that of the prenerfed duvolle tac) as you can see your 1 vs 1 advantage is insane
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 923	Posted - 2013.11.24 12:07:00 - [15] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: Agreed but your scrabler rifle can have upwards of 1200dps and duvolle barely breaks 600 i think it should have a advantage but does it really have to be twice as deadly. I run HMG so they beat me either way. 37.5 duvolle x 1.15 (15%) prof times the 2 damage mods at 1.18 for both (18%) x 12.5 rof =636 dps a common setup i see run 78.5 imperial x 1.15 (15%) prof times the 2 damage mods at 1.18 for both (18%) x 11.7 rof= 1246 dps a common setup i see run (the dps on this weapon is similar to that of the prenerfed duvolle tac) as you can see your 1 vs 1 advantage is insane Its 1200 DPS on paper, but in practice it is much lower, unless modded controllers are involved. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered. REMOVE ALL BPOs
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 833	Posted - 2013.11.24 12:15:00 - [16] - Quote u know it getting buffed right?
Scheherazade VII 179	Posted - 2013.11.24 12:28:00 - [17] - Quote the scrambler rifle is an absolute joke im going to use it so im not at a disadvantage to those that do. It destroys starter fits in 3 rounds which is half a second. it makes the AR TTK look like before they changed the TTK. Just stack damage mods and armour and anybody running less won't be able to mathematically take you down before you take them down. it really is the FOTM and needs more threads to be made about it. I won't stop QQ'ing until CCP realises it's destroying the game. it's the new invincibility mode crutch for scrubs who have no gun-game and need to compensate by making their SCR do 100 damage per shot just to **** on everybody else. really this game is just about damage output and HP, it's mathematical, not tactical. I wish it revolved around skill but it doesn't/ GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
Himiko Kuronaga Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 2354	Posted - 2013.11.24 12:31:00 - [18] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: Agreed but your scrabler rifle can have upwards of 1200dps and duvolle barely breaks 600 i think it should have a advantage but does it really have to be twice as deadly. I run HMG so they beat me either way. 37.5 duvolle x 1.15 (15%) prof times the 2 damage mods at 1.18 for both (18%) x 12.5 rof =636 dps a common setup i see run 78.5 imperial x 1.15 (15%) prof times the 2 damage mods at 1.18 for both (18%) x 11.7 rof= 1246 dps a common setup i see run (the dps on this weapon is similar to that of the prenerfed duvolle tac) as you can see your 1 vs 1 advantage is insane Where is the heat cooldown time in that equation? Burst =/= DPS. But thats a small point, as we both know the burst is enough to kill nearly everybody. And thats how it should be. The weapon is meant to be advantageous in 1v1. If it wasnt, why the hell would you ever use it? Semi-auto weapons with a heating mechanic are trickier to use and if there is no superiority payoff then it has no worth. Smart money says that combat rifle ends up wrecking it, anyway.
xSir Campsalotx Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 78	Posted - 2013.11.24 12:31:00 - [19] - Quote its not that hard any decent gamer can fire quite rapidly especially with a mouse and modded controllers are common i have one on an alt with prof 4 and it is clearly OP fun to use and awesome but OP the same. I would be ok with allowing this op weapon to go unchecked but in pc i see full squads running it and theyre even more deadly than duvolles. I dont like the power of duvolles but this thing is insane. Again i really dont mind all that much its the core grenades that holds my upmost hate.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 923	Posted - 2013.11.24 12:36:00 - [20] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: its not that hard any decent gamer can fire quite rapidly especially with a mouse and modded controllers are common i have one on an alt with prof 4 and it is clearly OP fun to use and awesome but OP the same. I would be ok with allowing this op weapon to go unchecked but in pc i see full squads running it and theyre even more deadly than duvolles. I dont like the power of duvolles but this thing is insane. Again i really dont mind all that much its the core grenades that holds my upmost hate. I highly doubt you can fire 12.25 rounds per second consistently. For most people, 9-10 is the average. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered. REMOVE ALL BPOs

Mordecai Sanguine What The French 144	Posted - 2013.11.24 12:47:00 - [21] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: Agreed but your scrabler rifle can have upwards of 1200dps and duvolle barely breaks 600 i think it should have a advantage but does it really have to be twice as deadly. I run HMG so they beat me either way. 37.5 duvolle x 1.15 (15%) prof times the 2 damage mods at 1.18 for both (18%) x 12.5 rof =636 dps a common setup i see run 78.5 imperial x 1.15 (15%) prof times the 2 damage mods at 1.18 for both (18%) x 11.7 rof= 1246 dps a common setup i see run (the dps on this weapon is similar to that of the prenerfed duvolle tac) as you can see your 1 vs 1 advantage is insane This is stupid. Your duvolle is fully automatic wity no recoil. SCR is semi auto and has a huge Heat factor you can't fire as you wish.
xSir Campsalotx Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 78	Posted - 2013.11.24 12:50:00 - [22] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: its not that hard any decent gamer can fire quite rapidly especially with a mouse and modded controllers are common i have one on an alt with prof 4 and it is clearly OP fun to use and awesome but OP the same. I would be ok with allowing this op weapon to go unchecked but in pc i see full squads running it and theyre even more deadly than duvolles. I dont like the power of duvolles but this thing is insane. Again i really dont mind all that much its the core grenades that holds my upmost hate. I highly doubt you can fire 12.25 rounds per second consistently. For most people, 9-10 is the average. so then you do around 900 to 1000 dps im sry but thank you, compared to a duvolles 600 thats a solid 50% advantage
xSir Campsalotx Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 78	Posted - 2013.11.24 12:57:00 - [23] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: Agreed but your scrabler rifle can have upwards of 1200dps and duvolle barely breaks 600 i think it should have a advantage but does it really have to be twice as deadly. I run HMG so they beat me either way. 37.5 duvolle x 1.15 (15%) prof times the 2 damage mods at 1.18 for both (18%) x 12.5 rof =636 dps a common setup i see run 78.5 imperial x 1.15 (15%) prof times the 2 damage mods at 1.18 for both (18%) x 11.7 rof= 1246 dps a common setup i see run (the dps on this weapon is similar to that of the prenerfed duvolle tac) as you can see your 1 vs 1 advantage is insane This is stupid. Your duvolle is fully automatic wity no recoil. SCR is semi auto and has a huge Heat factor you can't fire as you wish. LOL again my main is a HMG have alts with both Duvolle and Imperial Rifles and between the two i find that the imperial is easy mode
Himiko Kuronaga Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 2355	Posted - 2013.11.24 13:17:00 - [24] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: its not that hard any decent gamer can fire quite rapidly especially with a mouse and modded controllers are common i have one on an alt with prof 4 and it is clearly OP fun to use and awesome but OP the same. I would be ok with allowing this op weapon to go unchecked but in pc i see full squads running it and theyre even more deadly than duvolles. I dont like the power of duvolles but this thing is insane. Again i really dont mind all that much its the core grenades that holds my upmost hate. I highly doubt you can fire 12.25 rounds per second consistently. For most people, 9-10 is the average. so then you do around 900 to 1000 dps im sry but thank you, compared to a duvolles 600 thats a solid 50% advantage Again, the DPS is not that high. The burst is. Overheating stops it from achieving greater DPS than the AR. So you're complaining about the frontloaded burst. That is the scrambler rifles gimmick which is why it dominates in 1v1. The only thing you could potentially do is nerf the charge on it, but if you do that it will lose to the AR. One weapon is going to be better than the other when they butt heads, its unavoidable. It sounds to me like you just want that weapon to be the AR, always, no matter what.
xSir Campsalotx Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 78	Posted - 2013.11.24 13:30:00 - [25] - Quote Balance as a weapons range increases its dps decreases that is all, the HMG has high dps point blank, the duvolle which im not a fan of has lower dps but more range. Fine let it have that crazy dps but reduce the range you shouldnt be able to have everything in a weapon its just pointless.
xSir Campsalotx Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 78	Posted - 2013.11.24 13:41:00 - [26] - Quote And on dps really? every weapon has a dps regardless if its in 1 shot or 66 if it fires it has dps. Damage per second how much damage does a gun do in a second thats all your looking into it too much. You cant deny the dps of a scrambler it fires 15 shots before it overheats and fires 11.7 in a sec which means it can fire for about 1.4 seconds which means that the dps of 900-1000 is correct (assuming human input) the only way it would have less dps is if the scrambler rifle overheated before it fired 1 second worth of rounds. Hope i explained that better.
xSir Campsalotx Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 78	Posted - 2013.11.24 14:03:00 - [27] - Quote Overheating prevents it from having as long as a continuous fire as the AR but leaves dps unchanged unless your comparing the dps of the entire clip of both weapons in which the scrambler would have significantly less but we both know neither weapon requires an entire clip to kill really only till your reach about 1800hp worth of damage (maxed out heavy) really all dps in its truest form determines who will kill first. Pro cal assualt 700 hp Imperial will kill in 7 shots leaves 8 to be missed Pro cal assualt 700 hp duvolle takes 14 shots about who will win most likely the imperial guy simply becasue he has a built in advantage of at least 50% and up to almpst 100% and since they have almost the same range their is nowhere for the AR to win he cant outrange or dps hmg beats ar in close but ar can outrange, ar can beat laser but laser can outrange, laser beats sniper but sniper can outrange notice a pattern scrambler takes a sh*t on this ar has no mechanical advantage like the others hell technically the scrambler beats everything it shares a range or has more than. it beats hmg, ar, and shotgun (assuming you can survive initial shotgun shot which most pro suits can)
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 220	Posted - 2013.11.24 14:47:00 - [28] - Quote yeah Scr must be soooo uber-op thats the reason why you see it as only used weapon in pc....... oh wait.... you dont see ot used in pc, its the ar you see all the time.... the scr has been like it is since it is released, I always could go 30+ in pubmatches with it. So is it now cool to #scramblerrage or what? goddamned hipsters..... Everytime an Ar user dies to another weapon its terrible Op and whatsoever. another one bites the Dust...
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 444	Posted - 2013.11.24 15:11:00 - [29] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: Overheating prevents it from having as long as a continuous fire as the AR but leaves dps unchanged unless your comparing the dps of the entire clip of both weapons in which the scrambler would have significantly less but we both know neither weapon requires an entire clip to kill really only till your reach about 1800hp worth of damage (maxed out heavy) really all dps in its truest form determines who will kill first. Pro cal assualt 700 hp Imperial will kill in 7 shots leaves 8 to be missed Pro cal assualt 700 hp duvolle takes 14 shots about who will win most likely the imperial guy simply becasue he has a built in advantage of at least 50% and up to almpst 100% and since they have almost the same range their is nowhere for the AR to win he cant outrange or dps hmg beats ar in close but ar can outrange, ar can beat laser but laser can outrange, laser beats sniper but sniper can outrange notice a pattern scrambler takes a sht on this ar has no mechanical advantage like the others hell technically the scrambler beats everything it shares a range or has more than. it beats hmg, ar, and shotgun (assuming you can survive initial shotgun shot which most pro suits can) Cal assault is a bad example because the SR is basically designed to take down caldari shield tankers. I'm not so sure you come out the same going against a bricked-out Gallente suit. Which is weird if you think about it, you would have expected more "ScR is OP" threads when shield tanking was vastly better than armor tanking. Plus, without a modded controller (which should be accounted for by CCP but not the sole basis for balance discussions) you're not likely to be able to fire 8 shots with a scrambler as fas as a duvolle, it has double the fire rate. This is why these "on paper" discussions are iffy, and you should never really compare the number of shots fired because that is completely apples vs oranges. Regardless, it's a moot point for two reasons : One, the TTK is so low that it hardly matters whether you use an imperial or a duvolle, whoever gets the first shots off is going to win 99% of the time anyway. Hell, you can with a GEK, I do all the time. Perhaps more importantly, two new rifles are coming out. It's basically impossible to have any meaningful (read: non-troll) balance discussion until they are out in the wild. It's not like it's a soonGäó thing where we are prepping for a theoretical weapon months down the line, we're talking about what, 2-3 weeks? "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics"* -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 355	Posted - 2013.11.24 15:16:00 - [30] - Quote Your Absolut End wrote: yeah Scr must be soooo uber-op thats the reason why you see it as only used weapon in pc....... oh wait.... you dont see ot used in pc, its the ar you see all the time.... the scr has been like it is since it is released, I always could go 30+ in pubmatches with it. So is it now cool to #scramblerrage or what? goddamned hipsters..... Everytime an Ar user dies to another weapon its terrible Op and whatsoever. Ill save this post to reply to you in about a month when they are on the lip's of everyone on the forum's... it's pretty similar to the TAC AR issue... We have said this since 1.4... have watched certain merc's with this game one shot 12 people back to back in a very short period of time. If our normal medium range gunnery is OHKO'ing Merc's in DUST... we are breaking a fundamental part of it.



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