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xSir Campsalotx
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.24 10:58:00 -
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Agreed i think the Scambler Rifles are overpowered (the single shot ones) but a more OP weapon and the one that transcends all is the Core Grenade. I have them i dont like having to use them but you have to in PC battles especially against people that sit on a nanohive and spam them. They need to be fixed I suggest removing the cook option and possibly setting a 3 sec timer. |
xSir Campsalotx
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
78
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:59:00 -
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Agreed but your scrabler rifle can have upwards of 1200dps and duvolle barely breaks 600 i think it should have a advantage but does it really have to be twice as deadly. I run HMG so they beat me either way.
37.5 duvolle x 1.15 (15%) prof times the 2 damage mods at 1.18 for both (18%) x 12.5 rof =636 dps a common setup i see run
78.5 imperial x 1.15 (15%) prof times the 2 damage mods at 1.18 for both (18%) x 11.7 rof= 1246 dps a common setup i see run (the dps on this weapon is similar to that of the prenerfed duvolle tac)
as you can see your 1 vs 1 advantage is insane |
xSir Campsalotx
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
78
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Posted - 2013.11.24 12:31:00 -
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its not that hard any decent gamer can fire quite rapidly especially with a mouse and modded controllers are common i have one on an alt with prof 4 and it is clearly OP fun to use and awesome but OP the same. I would be ok with allowing this op weapon to go unchecked but in pc i see full squads running it and theyre even more deadly than duvolles. I dont like the power of duvolles but this thing is insane. Again i really dont mind all that much its the core grenades that holds my upmost hate. |
xSir Campsalotx
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
78
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Posted - 2013.11.24 12:50:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:xSir Campsalotx wrote:its not that hard any decent gamer can fire quite rapidly especially with a mouse and modded controllers are common i have one on an alt with prof 4 and it is clearly OP fun to use and awesome but OP the same. I would be ok with allowing this op weapon to go unchecked but in pc i see full squads running it and theyre even more deadly than duvolles. I dont like the power of duvolles but this thing is insane. Again i really dont mind all that much its the core grenades that holds my upmost hate. I highly doubt you can fire 12.25 rounds per second consistently. For most people, 9-10 is the average.
so then you do around 900 to 1000 dps im sry but thank you, compared to a duvolles 600 thats a solid 50% advantage |
xSir Campsalotx
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.24 12:57:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:xSir Campsalotx wrote:Agreed but your scrabler rifle can have upwards of 1200dps and duvolle barely breaks 600 i think it should have a advantage but does it really have to be twice as deadly. I run HMG so they beat me either way.
37.5 duvolle x 1.15 (15%) prof times the 2 damage mods at 1.18 for both (18%) x 12.5 rof =636 dps a common setup i see run
78.5 imperial x 1.15 (15%) prof times the 2 damage mods at 1.18 for both (18%) x 11.7 rof= 1246 dps a common setup i see run (the dps on this weapon is similar to that of the prenerfed duvolle tac)
as you can see your 1 vs 1 advantage is insane This is stupid. Your duvolle is fully automatic wity no recoil. SCR is semi auto and has a huge Heat factor you can't fire as you wish.
LOL again my main is a HMG have alts with both Duvolle and Imperial Rifles and between the two i find that the imperial is easy mode |
xSir Campsalotx
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.24 13:30:00 -
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Balance as a weapons range increases its dps decreases that is all, the HMG has high dps point blank, the duvolle which im not a fan of has lower dps but more range. Fine let it have that crazy dps but reduce the range you shouldnt be able to have everything in a weapon its just pointless. |
xSir Campsalotx
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
78
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Posted - 2013.11.24 13:41:00 -
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And on dps really? every weapon has a dps regardless if its in 1 shot or 66 if it fires it has dps. Damage per second how much damage does a gun do in a second thats all your looking into it too much. You cant deny the dps of a scrambler it fires 15 shots before it overheats and fires 11.7 in a sec which means it can fire for about 1.4 seconds which means that the dps of 900-1000 is correct (assuming human input) the only way it would have less dps is if the scrambler rifle overheated before it fired 1 second worth of rounds. Hope i explained that better.
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xSir Campsalotx
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
78
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Posted - 2013.11.24 14:03:00 -
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Overheating prevents it from having as long as a continuous fire as the AR but leaves dps unchanged unless your comparing the dps of the entire clip of both weapons in which the scrambler would have significantly less but we both know neither weapon requires an entire clip to kill really only till your reach about 1800hp worth of damage (maxed out heavy) really all dps in its truest form determines who will kill first.
Pro cal assualt 700 hp Imperial will kill in 7 shots leaves 8 to be missed
Pro cal assualt 700 hp duvolle takes 14 shots about
who will win most likely the imperial guy simply becasue he has a built in advantage of at least 50% and up to almpst 100%
and since they have almost the same range their is nowhere for the AR to win he cant outrange or dps
hmg beats ar in close but ar can outrange, ar can beat laser but laser can outrange, laser beats sniper but sniper can outrange notice a pattern scrambler takes a sh*t on this ar has no mechanical advantage like the others hell technically the scrambler beats everything it shares a range or has more than. it beats hmg, ar, and shotgun (assuming you can survive initial shotgun shot which most pro suits can) |
xSir Campsalotx
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.24 17:04:00 -
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exactly why i was pointing to how long the weapon could be fired if you read the above, the scrambler rifle in my eyes truly became OP after the auto aim after which missing shots is a lot less often. Yes a gun with 5000 damage gun that takes 10 min to recharge has a dps of 5000 but really how is this example anywhere near any of the guns in this game. Honestly c"mon keep your examples relevant. yes the emphasis is on dps but only in its positively correlation with time to kill.
This game is not truly about skill its optimizing HP to damage output.
Citing your own incompetence in support of a claim is not a valid defense and does nothing to detract from my point, but i digress it can be done i have done it and i will continue to do it. Regardless, if i can do it on an alt character of whom i play with occasionally im quite certain someone who fields the weapon to any degree of frequency can make a mastery out of it and bring about its full potential. I hate to be like this but your arguments are becoming lax without any sense of clear logic flow, citing outlandish and frivolous examples that have no bearing or base to them. Alas the wall is up and i am out. |
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