nobody cares about 4 insignificant modules. fair enough. but what about lav bpo's, suit bpo's and every other bpo that people use to augment their fits. people definitely care about these modules because there was massive uproar about their removal after eve vegas.

the whole reason ccp came out with the statement was to calm the community. we all relaxed as soon as the statement came out and continued our daily carnage meanwhile ccp goes ahead and plans for their removal while we are all preoccupied with events and a false sense of security.

it may have started with a few insignificant items but now ccp have grounds to remove all bpos. we buy them from packs, off the market get given them as gifts but as ccp have now proven they will remove them from our inventory without warning. nothing is safe anymore. bpo's, that so called safe investment costing significant amounts of money are now far from it. people have potentially wasted hundreds on something that ccp can delete at will and then refund us with aurum we didn't want in the first place.

the problem here is not the removal of bpo's so much as the deceitful way ccp has gone about doing it. the statement is irrefutable no matter what you say."will not remove inventory" yet they did it a few weeks later. all changes to dust are set in motion months before we get the patch notes. this means the statement given was after they had already made the decision to remove bpos yet they still said they would not.

-bpo is a permanent item yet apparently not anymore
-will not remove bpo's from inventory yet they are doing so anyway
-we are removing bpo's from the market so buy them now while you can, oh but we are going to delete them in a few weeks
-bpo's are a problem so we are trying to get rid of new sources yet they still release them in in collectors editions etc and encourage people to buy them.

i can't believe people don't see this worrying trend of ccp lying to us and not just about bpo's

Erm, what?

There has been no issue with the other BPOs, I don't see any post from CCP stating "Hey guys, it turns out LAVs, Suits, Weapons and every module with a BPO doesn't actually fit into our design any where, so we're removing them all", so there are no other removals.

They came out with a statement that has been truthful, there are legit reasons for removing those four BPOs because their modules don't exist or fit in the new vehicle design any more, what else is annoying is the fact that the people that are getting mad are the people the don't use vehicles regularly, it's ludicrous.

That doesn't make any sense. There are no grounds for further removals UNLESS the entire range of modules are being removed, if CCP comes out and says "Hey guys, we're removing all weapon BPOs" then yes, you all have a right to get mad, because that would be removing BPOs because BPOs not because it doesn't fit with the game any more.

Deceitful way? No a deceitful way would be removing the BPOs and then telling us about it, they've made a thread about them removing these four BPOs and how you'll be refunded, how else do you want them to tell you? A newsletter/post a year ahead of time? Would that be long enough for you to not think you've been backstabbed or something? No, CCP have been fair with this, more than fair.

- BPOs are still permanent unless they don't fit in with the rest of the game, I mean if an entire branch of items are being removed, you're not going to keep the BPO because NOBODY else will be able to have that item and it'll break the system.
-They're removing four items, because they don't fit with the game anymore, see above.
-The rest of the BPOs are fine, see above.
-Erm, you can get the BPOs of them already (well could) so really it's just an incentive for a final chance at getting an exclusive type.

all these points don't refute mine only bolster them... bpos can be deleted to, if you delete you account so the other items I mentioned are just as permanent as bpo's.

call rookie ships what ever fancy name you want, you said nothing was permanent in new eden and you were proven wrong.

sounds like you don't know the math so you cant explain why bpo's are bad, you are just parroting ccp with no real info.

what about what I have to go through to earn the money I spent on this game?

why are you so far up ccp's posterior?

Looking at it from a Real life perspective.

I go to a shop regularly, I buy a chocolate bar which cost's -ú0.60 every day alongside other grocery items.
I discover that this store offers unlimited supply of Chocolate bars for -ú100
I pay the -ú100 because who wants to pay -ú0.60 for a single bar?
After a few months the store realizes it's made a mistake and informs me that they've had to remove my unlimited amount of chocolate bars, but as a gesture of good will are offering -ú100 store credit, due to store policy of no refunds, to spend on anything in the store despite the fact I've eaten my way through atleast 10 times that.
Instead of taking my -ú100 credit, despite it being enough to buy plenty of chocolate bars and I was going to spend a lot more up to this point any ways as I enjoy the chocolate, I refuse, stamp my feet and cry about, and then take it to court, lose, get laughed at and actually lose more money for court costs.

I'm just not a sucker is all...

ccp handled this poorly even nova knife, a cpm agrees.

I refuse to be taken for a ride.

You spent REAL money on VIRTUAL currency to purchase VIRTUAL goods, neither of which are permanent (or even legally yours, for that matter.) Anyone that has read and understands the EULA would know this, invalidating the whole "taken for a ride" part.

Erm, what?

There has been no issue with the other BPOs, I don't see any post from CCP stating "Hey guys, it turns out LAVs, Suits, Weapons and every module with a BPO doesn't actually fit into our design any where, so we're removing them all", so there are no other removals.

They came out with a statement that has been truthful, there are legit reasons for removing those four BPOs because their modules don't exist or fit in the new vehicle design any more, what else is annoying is the fact that the people that are getting mad are the people the don't use vehicles regularly, it's ludicrous.

That doesn't make any sense. There are no grounds for further removals UNLESS the entire range of modules are being removed, if CCP comes out and says "Hey guys, we're removing all weapon BPOs" then yes, you all have a right to get mad, because that would be removing BPOs because BPOs not because it doesn't fit with the game any more.

Deceitful way? No a deceitful way would be removing the BPOs and then telling us about it, they've made a thread about them removing these four BPOs and how you'll be refunded, how else do you want them to tell you? A newsletter/post a year ahead of time? Would that be long enough for you to not think you've been backstabbed or something? No, CCP have been fair with this, more than fair.

- BPOs are still permanent unless they don't fit in with the rest of the game, I mean if an entire branch of items are being removed, you're not going to keep the BPO because NOBODY else will be able to have that item and it'll break the system.
-They're removing four items, because they don't fit with the game anymore, see above.
-The rest of the BPOs are fine, see above.
-Erm, you can get the BPOs of them already (well could) so really it's just an incentive for a final chance at getting an exclusive type.

Erm, what?

There has been no issue with the other BPOs, I don't see any post from CCP stating "Hey guys, it turns out LAVs, Suits, Weapons and every module with a BPO doesn't actually fit into our design any where, so we're removing them all", so there are no other removals.

They came out with a statement that has been truthful, there are legit reasons for removing those four BPOs because their modules don't exist or fit in the new vehicle design any more, what else is annoying is the fact that the people that are getting mad are the people the don't use vehicles regularly, it's ludicrous.

That doesn't make any sense. There are no grounds for further removals UNLESS the entire range of modules are being removed, if CCP comes out and says "Hey guys, we're removing all weapon BPOs" then yes, you all have a right to get mad, because that would be removing BPOs because BPOs not because it doesn't fit with the game any more.

Deceitful way? No a deceitful way would be removing the BPOs and then telling us about it, they've made a thread about them removing these four BPOs and how you'll be refunded, how else do you want them to tell you? A newsletter/post a year ahead of time? Would that be long enough for you to not think you've been backstabbed or something? No, CCP have been fair with this, more than fair.

- BPOs are still permanent unless they don't fit in with the rest of the game, I mean if an entire branch of items are being removed, you're not going to keep the BPO because NOBODY else will be able to have that item and it'll break the system.
-They're removing four items, because they don't fit with the game anymore, see above.
-The rest of the BPOs are fine, see above.
-Erm, you can get the BPOs of them already (well could) so really it's just an incentive for a final chance at getting an exclusive type.

please just stop. stop replying when you blatantly don't have the slightest clue about what the issues are.

Wow.....stupidly irrelevant & misused IRL Comparison is bad, & you should feel bad about it. IDGAF about the situation @ hand , but.....you look like an ignoramus IWS Alt Kool-Aid sipping Duncecap for posting this...... Don't be an IWS bro

Your argument is terrible & falls flat in every way......& as a Vehicle User you should be most ashamed. Deleting BPOs for Vehicles sets a Precedent..... This tells CCP if you simply change the Stat of.....let's say Shield Extender to have a Profile Penalty, or Assault Rifle is Name Changed to Blaster Rifle, & you have no Toxin/Recruiter/Exile/Dren Blaster Rifle, it goes to "The Void". & you invalidate everything you said by essentially defending the existence of Infantry BPOs & Starter Fits.

Debates.....you're doing it wrong

my god man you are dumb....

Perhaps you could respond with something more than a single sentence about how "I don't have a clue", enlighten me you ******* tool. :)




Wow, you called me an IWS alt, whatdafuq? THIS IS WHY I EAT ALL THOSE CHOCOLATE BARS MAN, YOU AND YOUR FELLOWS ARE JUST SO ******* MEAN.



I fail to see how it is "terrible and falls flat in every way", So because I'm a Vehicle User I should be ashamed I'm okay with them removing four useless blueprints? Erm, you understand 1.7 is changing many things, of which I believe they're removing the branch of which the BPOs belong too, so your example is flawed, sorry. If however every Shield Extender was removed the game then it would be expected to be removed. In the case of your Assault Rifle being CHANGED, you would keep your blueprints, however if the Assault Rifle was REMOVED from the game, you'd get an aurum refund. :)

Oh and I'm not defending BPOs, I was in favour of them removing every BPO and giving an Aurum refund, I also created like three threads since closed beta asking for the Starter Fits to be removed (EXCEPT ONE, a suit with no modules and just a Militia variant of your races weapon.)



And yet you must resort to insults without a proper response, atleast when I call you people ******* tools, I give more of a response :)

only because we have given you all the arguments but you fail to see our logic. and we are tired of telling the same 3 people the same thing. some people are just dumb....

No, some people are just stubborn :) I disagree with your argument and I think you're wrong, that doesn't make me dumb, it doesn't make you dumb.

how can you possibly disagree with our argument when you don't have the slightest clue what we are going on about about.

Against Tanks? Sure, my 250k ANTI INFANTRY TANK is not very good against another Tank which is quite well equipped to deal with other Tanks, go figure. And mate, I don't even use Aurum so I don't give a damn, I wouldn't care if they gave me the 30 Aurum back. If CCP could find a way to see who bought their modules at a certain price, sure go for it.

I'm not biased, more I want a risk game, I want a reason to log on and I want a reason to not want to die other than my KDR.

Edit: lol, you spent 500$ on a free game? LOL. Oh and 10 months, good job, wooh, so what?

I was just lurking, but damn! $500 on a f2p game? That merc MUST be mentally deficient.

no, I was a fanboi and deeply believed in the game and wanted to support it.... I guess I am mentally deficient....

how can you possibly disagree with our argument when you don't have the slightest clue what we are going on about about.

Right, well we started out arguing about CCP doing a 180 on their BPO "policy", in which CCP Logibro stated that they weren't going to remove BPOs - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116404

Hey all,

We just wanted to clarify statements made about the removal of BPOs.

We are in the process of removing BPOs from the market. We have already removed them from the in game market, and we will eventually be removing them from packs available on the PSN Store. We are not removing any existing BPOs from any player inventories and there are no plans to do so. BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game.

Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventories

Now, one must assume that the OP thought that the 180 was due to the fact that when 1.7 is released it will be removing four BPOs - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1513116

4800 AUR Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint
4800 AUR Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint
4800 AUR Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier
4800 AUR Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint

The OP would go on to complain that it was unfair that he was only being refunded the Aurum, he wanted either his money back for the aurum he spent, or an item of "equivalent value" (Which rereading that has just made me realize CCP should give the OP four Exile Rifle BPOs, right?)

The gist of nearly every reply from the OP was about how it was unfair to be removing these four BPOs and that getting only Aurum for it back was an outrage, not only this he had a bone to pick with the Vets who purchased the BPOs at 30 Aurum. He also says something about CCP lying, when they clearly have not, they've removed four BPOs that don't fit into the system anymore and given you a refund.

Your post mentioned several things, such as how CCP has the grounds to remove all BPOs, which has actually always been the case, if CCP wanted to remove all the BPOs they could just do it, there is no physical force stopping them and it's well within their rights to do so and just give you an aurum refund (read terms and ****), but they've approached it from a different way, rather than remove every BPO in the game, they'll remove the ones that don't fit with the game (see vehicle modules for details) and let you keep the ones that won't be changed.

You then go on to say how CCP are deceitful, which I argued you were wrong about, because there is nothing from CCP about being deceitful;

noun
[mass noun]
the action or practice of deceiving someone by concealing or misrepresenting the truth:
a web of deceit
hypocrisy and deceit were anathema to her
[count noun]:
a series of lies and deceits

CCP didn't hide the truth, they haven't made a series of posts lying about it nor have they mislead us in anyway about BPOs so again I disagree with your idea they were deceitful.

Alright, TBBT time, soz guy, but yeah, I get your argument, I don't much care for your side of it nor do I agree with any of the points any of you have made at all, and Luca, refer to earlier post, kthx.

so logibro lied?

I don't think you understand that ccp chose to make them useless... why?
also I'm ok with the removal if it really improves the game... time will tell... if it doesn't than they were all the more wrong for taking them from us.

if they are right, great! but I still deserve an item of equal value. either a permant useful item like maybe a bpo of the new module, or a psn credit or a mark up in aur as great as the mark up those who paid 50 aur are getting.....

lol so saying they will not remove bpo's in inventory and then doing it is not deceitful.

I like how this idiot is completly ignoring the fact that you couldn't even fit a 180mm plate on a HAV after this update really, and the other 3 modules won't even have stats after the update, so they'll all be useless.

What would be deceitful is saying they're not removing BPOs and then doing it without a word.

This is a new twist. When have you said in ANY thread about this that you were ok with it if it makes the game better. I could ask you where the 180 came from, too.

so logibro lied?

I don't think you understand that ccp chose to make them useless... why?
also I'm ok with the removal if it really improves the game... time will tell... if it doesn't than they were all the more wrong for taking them from us.

if they are right, great! but I still deserve an item of equal value. either a permant useful item like maybe a bpo of the new module, or a psn credit or a mark up in aur as great as the mark up those who paid 50 aur are getting.....

Right, well we started out arguing about CCP doing a 180 on their BPO "policy", in which CCP Logibro stated that they weren't going to remove BPOs - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116404

Hey all,

We just wanted to clarify statements made about the removal of BPOs.

We are in the process of removing BPOs from the market. We have already removed them from the in game market, and we will eventually be removing them from packs available on the PSN Store. We are not removing any existing BPOs from any player inventories and there are no plans to do so. BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game.

Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventories

Now, one must assume that the OP thought that the 180 was due to the fact that when 1.7 is released it will be removing four BPOs - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1513116

4800 AUR Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint
4800 AUR Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint
4800 AUR Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier
4800 AUR Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint

The OP would go on to complain that it was unfair that he was only being refunded the Aurum, he wanted either his money back for the aurum he spent, or an item of "equivalent value" (Which rereading that has just made me realize CCP should give the OP four Exile Rifle BPOs, right?)

The gist of nearly every reply from the OP was about how it was unfair to be removing these four BPOs and that getting only Aurum for it back was an outrage, not only this he had a bone to pick with the Vets who purchased the BPOs at 30 Aurum. He also says something about CCP lying, when they clearly have not, they've removed four BPOs that don't fit into the system anymore and given you a refund.

Your post mentioned several things, such as how CCP has the grounds to remove all BPOs, which has actually always been the case, if CCP wanted to remove all the BPOs they could just do it, there is no physical force stopping them and it's well within their rights to do so and just give you an aurum refund (read terms and ****), but they've approached it from a different way, rather than remove every BPO in the game, they'll remove the ones that don't fit with the game (see vehicle modules for details) and let you keep the ones that won't be changed.

You then go on to say how CCP are deceitful, which I argued you were wrong about, because there is nothing from CCP about being deceitful;

noun
[mass noun]
the action or practice of deceiving someone by concealing or misrepresenting the truth:
a web of deceit
hypocrisy and deceit were anathema to her
[count noun]:
a series of lies and deceits

CCP didn't hide the truth, they haven't made a series of posts lying about it nor have they mislead us in anyway about BPOs so again I disagree with your idea they were deceitful.

Alright, TBBT time, soz guy, but yeah, I get your argument, I don't much care for your side of it nor do I agree with any of the points any of you have made at all, and Luca, refer to earlier post, kthx.

Good points. The op just feels butthurt about it. Even though we all know its fair he feels entitled to ask for more....yes I believe in a post I made on the subject he stated that his time wasn't free. Oh my yes, you must pay for the pleasure of this fools time.
He also stated the issues weren't just about bpos, its more about how he feels betrayed because logibro lied! Which of course he didn't, they have been shown this many times yet they cannot seem to hear with their heads so far up their own asses.
Logic fails these crusaders.