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xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 95	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:42:00 - [1] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116404&find=unread what changed in a few weeks? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 905	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:45:00 - [2] - Quote Your last thread stayed on the front page all day. You don't have to make a new one with the same topic, just because it went to page 2. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered. REMOVE ALL BPOs
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 95	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:48:00 - [3] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Your last thread stayed on the front page all day. You don't have to make a new one with the same topic, just because it went to page 2. this is a different thread... in this thread I'm asking ccp to explain what changed between the post I linked and now. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1872	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:50:00 - [4] - Quote lol somebody is going to wish you still slept with the fishes... but carry on, doesn't bother me
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 95	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:51:00 - [5] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: lol somebody is going to wish you still slept with the fishes... but carry on, doesn't bother me SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10600	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:58:00 - [6] - Quote Eve Vegas 2013 CCP Atli when asked by Zion Shad about the state of BPOs CCP Atli stated "They're not safe" in referencing to the last sources of BPOs being made available still. Forums erupted a short bit CCP Logibro on behalf of the community team (after hunting down CCP Saberwing and CCP Atli at eve vegas) put out the statement of re-interation. Rewind to 1.5 the original vehicle patch CCP Wolfman was going about saying how they where going to need to remove modules, and noise as well as a few other things from the game to make vehicles work again. During about post 1.6 CCP Wolfman then posted a therad of all the new modules. Which did not for all intents and purposes not included the 4 module families including their BPO variants. This also means that majority of these modules are unusable, on the simple grounds you will not even HAVE THE SKILL LEVELS REQUIRED to operate them any more as the skills are being removed entirely to exclude 3 of the modules. The fourth module the armor plate is nearly incapable of fitting proper on any vehicle without killing its function entirely. CCP had to then consult legal, marketing, and sever bros on how to handle the entire 'respec' issue if and begin drafting a plan on what they were going to do once 1.7 hit. That plan is now public. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 96	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:03:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Eve Vegas 2013 CCP Atli when asked by Zion Shad about the state of BPOs CCP Atli stated "They're not safe" in referencing to the last sources of BPOs being made available still. Forums erupted a short bit CCP Logibro on behalf of the community team (after hunting down CCP Saberwing and CCP Atli at eve vegas) put out the statement of re-interation. Rewind to 1.5 the original vehicle patch CCP Wolfman was going about saying how they where going to need to remove modules, and noise as well as a few other things from the game to make vehicles work again. During about post 1.6 CCP Wolfman then posted a therad of all the new modules. Which did not for all intents and purposes not included the 4 module families including their BPO variants. This also means that majority of these modules are unusable, on the simple grounds you will not even HAVE THE SKILL LEVELS REQUIRED to operate them any more as the skills are being removed entirely to exclude 3 of the modules. The fourth module the armor plate is nearly incapable of fitting proper on any vehicle without killing its function entirely. CCP had to then consult legal, marketing, and sever bros on how to handle the entire 'respec' issue if and begin drafting a plan on what they were going to do once 1.7 hit. That plan is now public. so logibro lied? I don't think you understand that ccp chose to make them useless... why? also I'm ok with the removal if it really improves the game... time will tell... if it doesn't than they were all the more wrong for taking them from us. if they are right, great! but I still deserve an item of equal value. either a permant useful item like maybe a bpo of the new module, or a psn credit or a mark up in aur as great as the mark up those who paid 50 aur are getting..... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Jason Pearson 3121	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:06:00 - [8] - Quote There isn't a "180" you ***** tool. BPOs are bad for the economy, so CCP stops them being sold BUT you will keep the ones you've got. HOWEVER, there are a couple that don't even function any more due to the massive change of 1.7, So instead of making them completely useless and letting you keep them, they will remove them and give you the FULL refund, are you telling me you bought Aurum for these exact BPOs? Because they're ***** awful and nobody uses them anyways you terribad. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Only 120 Characters? Aww ¬_¬
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 96	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:11:00 - [9] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: There isn't a "180" you ***** tool. BPOs are bad for the economy, so CCP stops them being sold BUT you will keep the ones you've got. HOWEVER, there are a couple that don't even function any more due to the massive change of 1.7, So instead of making them completely useless and letting you keep them, they will remove them and give you the FULL refund, are you telling me you bought Aurum for these exact BPOs? Because they're *** awful and nobody uses them anyways you terribad. how are they bad for the economy? they are mlt and std.... all those proto stompers sure aren't using them PC makes billions with broken mechanics, why didn't they remove PC? even people who use bpo's need to buy gear, I spend about 30 mil a week... they only don't function anymore because ccp chose to make them not function... they could have done it differently or at least be straight about it and give fair compensation... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10601	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:16:00 - [10] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Eve Vegas 2013 CCP Atli when asked by Zion Shad about the state of BPOs CCP Atli stated "They're not safe" in referencing to the last sources of BPOs being made available still. Forums erupted a short bit CCP Logibro on behalf of the community team (after hunting down CCP Saberwing and CCP Atli at eve vegas) put out the statement of re-interation. Rewind to 1.5 the original vehicle patch CCP Wolfman was going about saying how they where going to need to remove modules, and noise as well as a few other things from the game to make vehicles work again. During about post 1.6 CCP Wolfman then posted a therad of all the new modules. Which did not for all intents and purposes not included the 4 module families including their BPO variants. This also means that majority of these modules are unusable, on the simple grounds you will not even HAVE THE SKILL LEVELS REQUIRED to operate them any more as the skills are being removed entirely to exclude 3 of the modules. The fourth module the armor plate is nearly incapable of fitting proper on any vehicle without killing its function entirely. CCP had to then consult legal, marketing, and sever bros on how to handle the entire 'respec' issue if and begin drafting a plan on what they were going to do once 1.7 hit. That plan is now public. so logibro lied? I don't think you understand that ccp chose to make them useless... why? also I'm ok with the removal if it really improves the game... time will tell... if it doesn't than they were all the more wrong for taking them from us. if they are right, great! but I still deserve an item of equal value. either a permant useful item like maybe a bpo of the new module, or a psn credit or a mark up in aur as great as the mark up those who paid 50 aur are getting..... No he didn't yes I do understand considering that vehicle shields are more akin to infantry modules like those are going to be gamebreakingly bad. and technically there is no such thing as a permanent item in new eden, All are subject to loss, stupidity, theft, and destruction. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked

Jason Pearson 3121	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:17:00 - [11] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: There isn't a "180" you ***** tool. BPOs are bad for the economy, so CCP stops them being sold BUT you will keep the ones you've got. HOWEVER, there are a couple that don't even function any more due to the massive change of 1.7, So instead of making them completely useless and letting you keep them, they will remove them and give you the FULL refund, are you telling me you bought Aurum for these exact BPOs? Because they're ***** awful and nobody uses them anyways you terribad. how are they bad for the economy? they are mlt and std.... all those proto stompers sure aren't using them PC makes billions with broken mechanics, why didn't they remove PC? even people who use bpo's need to buy gear, I spend about 30 mil a week... they only don't function anymore because ccp chose to make them not function... they could have done it differently or at least be straight about it and give fair compensation... The game is about risk, it's about your skill AND your gear, those who risk more get more reward, BPOs make it so people don't have to risk anything. Bad. I'm sure PC will eventually be fixed, but it is bad too. The four modules are for vehicles and they're being rendered useless in the next patch as they have no place in the new vehicle system. You spend 30m? lol, wow, I spend 250k on my Gunnlogi (full fit.) and wreck everyone. Oh and you think you deserve an item of equal value? The module is worth 4800 Aurum, guess what, you're getting 4800 Aurum, nice one. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Only 120 Characters? Aww ¬_¬
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 96	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:21:00 - [12] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: There isn't a "180" you ***** tool. BPOs are bad for the economy, so CCP stops them being sold BUT you will keep the ones you've got. HOWEVER, there are a couple that don't even function any more due to the massive change of 1.7, So instead of making them completely useless and letting you keep them, they will remove them and give you the FULL refund, are you telling me you bought Aurum for these exact BPOs? Because they're *** awful and nobody uses them anyways you terribad. how are they bad for the economy? they are mlt and std.... all those proto stompers sure aren't using them PC makes billions with broken mechanics, why didn't they remove PC? even people who use bpo's need to buy gear, I spend about 30 mil a week... they only don't function anymore because ccp chose to make them not function... they could have done it differently or at least be straight about it and give fair compensation... The game is about risk, it's about your skill AND your gear, those who risk more get more reward, BPOs make it so people don't have to risk anything. Bad. I'm sure PC will eventually be fixed, but it is bad too. The four modules are for vehicles and they're being rendered useless in the next patch as they have no place in the new vehicle system. You spend 30m? lol, wow, I spend 250k on my Gunnlogi (full fit.) and wreck everyone. Oh and you think you deserve an item of equal value? The module is worth 4800 Aurum, guess what, you're getting 4800 Aurum, nice one. I buy a lot of stuff:) I get my suits by the 100s bpo's don't win matches so no risk low isk... the risk vs isk thing working as intended and all vehicle users have to buy vehicles to use those mods... which they don't competitively... what about the people who paid 50 aur.... they are getting 4800 too... why do they get to make a profit and I don't? favoritism? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 96	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:24:00 - [13] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Eve Vegas 2013 CCP Atli when asked by Zion Shad about the state of BPOs CCP Atli stated "They're not safe" in referencing to the last sources of BPOs being made available still. Forums erupted a short bit CCP Logibro on behalf of the community team (after hunting down CCP Saberwing and CCP Atli at eve vegas) put out the statement of re-interation. Rewind to 1.5 the original vehicle patch CCP Wolfman was going about saying how they where going to need to remove modules, and noise as well as a few other things from the game to make vehicles work again. During about post 1.6 CCP Wolfman then posted a therad of all the new modules. Which did not for all intents and purposes not included the 4 module families including their BPO variants. This also means that majority of these modules are unusable, on the simple grounds you will not even HAVE THE SKILL LEVELS REQUIRED to operate them any more as the skills are being removed entirely to exclude 3 of the modules. The fourth module the armor plate is nearly incapable of fitting proper on any vehicle without killing its function entirely. CCP had to then consult legal, marketing, and sever bros on how to handle the entire 'respec' issue if and begin drafting a plan on what they were going to do once 1.7 hit. That plan is now public. so logibro lied? I don't think you understand that ccp chose to make them useless... why? also I'm ok with the removal if it really improves the game... time will tell... if it doesn't than they were all the more wrong for taking them from us. if they are right, great! but I still deserve an item of equal value. either a permant useful item like maybe a bpo of the new module, or a psn credit or a mark up in aur as great as the mark up those who paid 50 aur are getting..... No he didn't yes I do understand considering that vehicle shields are more akin to infantry modules like those are going to be gamebreakingly bad. and technically there is no such thing as a permanent item in new eden, All are subject to loss, stupidity, theft, loss of value, and destruction. if he didn't lie why did he say none would be removed TWICE!? FINE IF THEY ARE SO BAD... WHICH I WOULD NEED YOU TO PROVIDE MATH ON TO PROVE, GIVE ME MY PSN CRED BACK... sorry caps... not retyping rookie ships are permanent in the same way our bpo's are... and the mods on them... and our golden pods....and starter fits in dust.... do you even play these games? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Jason Pearson 3122	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:38:00 - [14] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: There isn't a "180" you ***** tool. BPOs are bad for the economy, so CCP stops them being sold BUT you will keep the ones you've got. HOWEVER, there are a couple that don't even function any more due to the massive change of 1.7, So instead of making them completely useless and letting you keep them, they will remove them and give you the FULL refund, are you telling me you bought Aurum for these exact BPOs? Because they're *** awful and nobody uses them anyways you terribad. how are they bad for the economy? they are mlt and std.... all those proto stompers sure aren't using them PC makes billions with broken mechanics, why didn't they remove PC? even people who use bpo's need to buy gear, I spend about 30 mil a week... they only don't function anymore because ccp chose to make them not function... they could have done it differently or at least be straight about it and give fair compensation... The game is about risk, it's about your skill AND your gear, those who risk more get more reward, BPOs make it so people don't have to risk anything. Bad. I'm sure PC will eventually be fixed, but it is bad too. The four modules are for vehicles and they're being rendered useless in the next patch as they have no place in the new vehicle system. You spend 30m? lol, wow, I spend 250k on my Gunnlogi (full fit.) and wreck everyone. Oh and you think you deserve an item of equal value? The module is worth 4800 Aurum, guess what, you're getting 4800 Aurum, nice one. I buy a lot of stuff:) I get my suits by the 100s bpo's don't win matches so no risk low isk... the risk vs isk thing working as intended and all vehicle users have to buy vehicles to use those mods... which they don't competitively... what about the people who paid 50 aur.... they are getting 4800 too... why do they get to make a profit and I don't? favoritism? That doesn't mean a thing, IF a loss meant you didn't get any ISK like in PC then sure, I'd agree that BPOs are not an issue but that's not the case, you win, you get paid, you lose, you get paid so not the Risk v Isk thing isn't working, if I run a free suit and die 5 times, and I kill someone and cost them 100k isk for example, they've lost 100k isk and I've lost all. Yes, Vehicle users buy their modules (Hi, I buy my modules), but BPOs allow use to significantly cut costs, I have a fit that is all BPO for my Gunnlogi, and it's a A.I Tank, so while it doesn't really match up against other tanks I can still waste lots of Infantry for about 250k. And because I'm not an idiot this tank can last for 5 matches very easily, mainly because I'll run to the Redline as soon as I get damaged. so 250k for a tank that earns me a minimum of 150k a match, despite losing every match and getting about 10 kills. No real risk compared to my 1.3mil Tank that would take me more than 5 games to get the cost back. And as one of those people that paid 30 Aur (not 50 xD) I don't really mind getting 50 or 4800, but the 4800 makes it feel like it's CCP's way of saying "Hey you, thanks for supporting us in the beta, before all these randoms got here and started crying about losing their BPOs and threatening to take us to court or some **." So yeah :) King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 98	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:42:00 - [15] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: There isn't a "180" you ***** tool. BPOs are bad for the economy, so CCP stops them being sold BUT you will keep the ones you've got. HOWEVER, there are a couple that don't even function any more due to the massive change of 1.7, So instead of making them completely useless and letting you keep them, they will remove them and give you the FULL refund, are you telling me you bought Aurum for these exact BPOs? Because they're *** awful and nobody uses them anyways you terribad. how are they bad for the economy? they are mlt and std.... all those proto stompers sure aren't using them PC makes billions with broken mechanics, why didn't they remove PC? even people who use bpo's need to buy gear, I spend about 30 mil a week... they only don't function anymore because ccp chose to make them not function... they could have done it differently or at least be straight about it and give fair compensation... The game is about risk, it's about your skill AND your gear, those who risk more get more reward, BPOs make it so people don't have to risk anything. Bad. I'm sure PC will eventually be fixed, but it is bad too. The four modules are for vehicles and they're being rendered useless in the next patch as they have no place in the new vehicle system. You spend 30m? lol, wow, I spend 250k on my Gunnlogi (full fit.) and wreck everyone. Oh and you think you deserve an item of equal value? The module is worth 4800 Aurum, guess what, you're getting 4800 Aurum, nice one. I buy a lot of stuff:) I get my suits by the 100s bpo's don't win matches so no risk low isk... the risk vs isk thing working as intended and all vehicle users have to buy vehicles to use those mods... which they don't competitively... what about the people who paid 50 aur.... they are getting 4800 too... why do they get to make a profit and I don't? favoritism? That doesn't mean a thing, IF a loss meant you didn't get any ISK like in PC then sure, I'd agree that BPOs are not an issue but that's not the case, you win, you get paid, you lose, you get paid so not the Risk v Isk thing isn't working, if I run a free suit and die 5 times, and I kill someone and cost them 100k isk for example, they've lost 100k isk and I've lost all. Yes, Vehicle users buy their modules (Hi, I buy my modules), but BPOs allow use to significantly cut costs, I have a fit that is all BPO for my Gunnlogi, and it's a A.I Tank, so while it doesn't really match up against other tanks I can still waste lots of Infantry for about 250k. And because I'm not an idiot this tank can last for 5 matches very easily, mainly because I'll run to the Redline as soon as I get damaged. so 250k for a tank that earns me a minimum of 150k a match, despite losing every match and getting about 10 kills. No real risk compared to my 1.3mil Tank that would take me more than 5 games to get the cost back. And as one of those people that paid 30 Aur (not 50 xD) I don't really mind getting 50 or 4800, but the 4800 makes it feel like it's CCP's way of saying "Hey you, thanks for supporting us in the beta, before all these randoms got here and started crying about losing their BPOs and threatening to take us to court or some ." So yeah :) lol... so you admit your bpo tank isn't competitive, you admit you are making profit on this deal... of course your not upset. youre biased and making out like a bandit.... wheres my thanks for being here 10 months and spending 500$ on dust? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**
Jason Pearson 3122	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:46:00 - [16] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: That doesn't mean a thing, IF a loss meant you didn't get any ISK like in PC then sure, I'd agree that BPOs are not an issue but that's not the case, you win, you get paid, you lose, you get paid so not the Risk v Isk thing isn't working, if I run a free suit and die 5 times, and I kill someone and cost them 100k isk for example, they've lost 100k isk and I've lost ** all. Yes, Vehicle users buy their modules (Hi, I buy my modules), but BPOs allow use to significantly cut costs, I have a fit that is all BPO for my Gunnlogi, and it's a A.I Tank, so while it doesn't really match up against other tanks I can still waste lots of Infantry for about 250k. And because I'm not an idiot this tank can last for 5 matches very easily, mainly because I'll run to the Redline as soon as I get damaged. so 250k for a tank that earns me a minimum of 150k a match, despite losing every match and getting about 10 kills. No real risk compared to my 1.3mil Tank that would take me more than 5 games to get the cost back. And as one of those people that paid 30 Aur (not 50 xD) I don't really mind getting 50 or 4800, but the 4800 makes it feel like it's CCP's way of saying "Hey you, thanks for supporting us in the beta, before all these randoms got here and started crying about losing their BPOs and threatening to take us to court or some **." So yeah :) lol... so you admit your bpo tank isn't competitive, you admit you are making profit on this deal... of course your not upset. your biased and making out like a bandit.... Your Edt: wheres my thanks for being here 10 months and spending 500$ on dust? Against Tanks? Sure, my 250k ANTI INFANTRY TANK is not very good against another Tank which is quite well equipped to deal with other Tanks, go figure. And mate, I don't even use Aurum so I don't give a damn, I wouldn't care if they gave me the 30 Aurum back. If CCP could find a way to see who bought their modules at a certain price, sure go for it. I'm not biased, more I want a risk game, I want a reason to log on and I want a reason to not want to die other than my KDR. Edit: lol, you spent 500$ on a free game? LOL. Oh and 10 months, good job, wooh, so what? King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10602	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:46:00 - [17] - Quote Phased out is more an appropriate term. Newer software code rendering a portin of the previous software useless and no longer needed. I have provided no math, CCP did all that for us and made the design decisions then. You can uninstall the golden pod implant and they get destroyed, also before implantation it can be stolen, destroyed, scammed and all sorts of misfortunes. Rookies ships are a service, you can trash them easily and a new one WILL NOT SPAWN as long as you are in that station. Starter fits have been deleted before in this game by CCP (they were also once upon a time bought and NOT provided), its subjection to deletion again. So do you even think about what developers have to go through in making a game thats live? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 98	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:49:00 - [18] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: That doesn't mean a thing, IF a loss meant you didn't get any ISK like in PC then sure, I'd agree that BPOs are not an issue but that's not the case, you win, you get paid, you lose, you get paid so not the Risk v Isk thing isn't working, if I run a free suit and die 5 times, and I kill someone and cost them 100k isk for example, they've lost 100k isk and I've lost ** all. Yes, Vehicle users buy their modules (Hi, I buy my modules), but BPOs allow use to significantly cut costs, I have a fit that is all BPO for my Gunnlogi, and it's a A.I Tank, so while it doesn't really match up against other tanks I can still waste lots of Infantry for about 250k. And because I'm not an idiot this tank can last for 5 matches very easily, mainly because I'll run to the Redline as soon as I get damaged. so 250k for a tank that earns me a minimum of 150k a match, despite losing every match and getting about 10 kills. No real risk compared to my 1.3mil Tank that would take me more than 5 games to get the cost back. And as one of those people that paid 30 Aur (not 50 xD) I don't really mind getting 50 or 4800, but the 4800 makes it feel like it's CCP's way of saying "Hey you, thanks for supporting us in the beta, before all these randoms got here and started crying about losing their BPOs and threatening to take us to court or some ." So yeah :) lol... so you admit your bpo tank isn't competitive, you admit you are making profit on this deal... of course your not upset. your biased and making out like a bandit.... Against Tanks? Sure, my 250k ANTI INFANTRY TANK is not very good against another Tank which is quite well equipped to deal with other Tanks, go figure. And mate, I don't even use Aurum so I don't give a damn, I wouldn't care if they gave me the 30 Aurum back. If CCP could find a way to see who bought their modules at a certain price, sure go for it. I'm not biased, more I want a risk game, I want a reason to log on and I want a reason to not want to die other than my KDR. lol now you also admit you don't use aur proving my point that its worthless. get out of your own head and only worrying about what you want.... I want us all to be treated fairly... I don't even use these modules but I did buy them andthat should be respected... not with worthless aur. I also want a risk game and a reason to log on... but I also want my purchase to be honored. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 98	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:53:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Phased out is more an appropriate term. Newer software code rendering a portin of the previous software useless and no longer needed. I have provided no math, CCP did all that for us and made the design decisions then. You can uninstall the golden pod implant and they get destroyed, also before implantation it can be stolen, destroyed, scammed and all sorts of misfortunes. Rookies ships are a service, you can trash them easily and a new one WILL NOT SPAWN as long as you are in that station. Starter fits have been deleted before in this game by CCP (they were also once upon a time bought and NOT provided), its subjection to deletion again. So do you even think about what developers have to go through in making a game thats live? all these points don't refute mine only bolster them... bpos can be deleted to, if you delete you account so the other items I mentioned are just as permanent as bpo's. call rookie ships what ever fancy name you want, you said nothing was permanent in new eden and you were proven wrong. sounds like you don't know the math so you cant explain why bpo's are bad, you are just parroting ccp with no real info. what about what I have to go through to earn the money I spent on this game? why are you so far up ccp's posterior? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Jason Pearson 3124	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:54:00 - [20] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: That doesn't mean a thing, IF a loss meant you didn't get any ISK like in PC then sure, I'd agree that BPOs are not an issue but that's not the case, you win, you get paid, you lose, you get paid so not the Risk v Isk thing isn't working, if I run a free suit and die 5 times, and I kill someone and cost them 100k isk for example, they've lost 100k isk and I've lost ** all. Yes, Vehicle users buy their modules (Hi, I buy my modules), but BPOs allow use to significantly cut costs, I have a fit that is all BPO for my Gunnlogi, and it's a A.I Tank, so while it doesn't really match up against other tanks I can still waste lots of Infantry for about 250k. And because I'm not an idiot this tank can last for 5 matches very easily, mainly because I'll run to the Redline as soon as I get damaged. so 250k for a tank that earns me a minimum of 150k a match, despite losing every match and getting about 10 kills. No real risk compared to my 1.3mil Tank that would take me more than 5 games to get the cost back. And as one of those people that paid 30 Aur (not 50 xD) I don't really mind getting 50 or 4800, but the 4800 makes it feel like it's CCP's way of saying "Hey you, thanks for supporting us in the beta, before all these randoms got here and started crying about losing their BPOs and threatening to take us to court or some **." So yeah :) lol... so you admit your bpo tank isn't competitive, you admit you are making profit on this deal... of course your not upset. your biased and making out like a bandit.... Against Tanks? Sure, my 250k ANTI INFANTRY TANK is not very good against another Tank which is quite well equipped to deal with other Tanks, go figure. And mate, I don't even use Aurum so I don't give a damn, I wouldn't care if they gave me the 30 Aurum back. If CCP could find a way to see who bought their modules at a certain price, sure go for it. I'm not biased, more I want a risk game, I want a reason to log on and I want a reason to not want to die other than my KDR. lol now you also admit you don't use aur proving my point that its worthless. get out of your own head and only worrying about what you want.... I want us all to be treated fairly... I don't even use these modules but I did buy them andthat should be respected... not with worthless aur. I also want a risk game and a reason to log on... but I also want my purchase to be honored. Aurum is bad for the game, I don't use it for a reason, it takes away the risk and my personal enjoyment when killing and being killed. Get out of my own head?.. wut. BPOs shouldn't of even existed in the first place, pretty sure I made a post about that in Closed Beta, if you want us all to be "treated fairly" you will ask for all BPOs to be removed so it's fair for everyone playing, that just because you spent some money on the game doesn't mean you don't have to care about dying. You purchased the Aurum, you did not specify when you purchased the Aurum to CCP that you wanted the four specific modules. If you had writted to CCP and stated "I want these specific modules when I purchase your aurum" perhaps I'd have a different view :) King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul

xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 101	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:58:00 - [21] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: That doesn't mean a thing, IF a loss meant you didn't get any ISK like in PC then sure, I'd agree that BPOs are not an issue but that's not the case, you win, you get paid, you lose, you get paid so not the Risk v Isk thing isn't working, if I run a free suit and die 5 times, and I kill someone and cost them 100k isk for example, they've lost 100k isk and I've lost ** all. Yes, Vehicle users buy their modules (Hi, I buy my modules), but BPOs allow use to significantly cut costs, I have a fit that is all BPO for my Gunnlogi, and it's a A.I Tank, so while it doesn't really match up against other tanks I can still waste lots of Infantry for about 250k. And because I'm not an idiot this tank can last for 5 matches very easily, mainly because I'll run to the Redline as soon as I get damaged. so 250k for a tank that earns me a minimum of 150k a match, despite losing every match and getting about 10 kills. No real risk compared to my 1.3mil Tank that would take me more than 5 games to get the cost back. And as one of those people that paid 30 Aur (not 50 xD) I don't really mind getting 50 or 4800, but the 4800 makes it feel like it's CCP's way of saying "Hey you, thanks for supporting us in the beta, before all these randoms got here and started crying about losing their BPOs and threatening to take us to court or some ." So yeah :) lol... so you admit your bpo tank isn't competitive, you admit you are making profit on this deal... of course your not upset. your biased and making out like a bandit.... Against Tanks? Sure, my 250k ANTI INFANTRY TANK is not very good against another Tank which is quite well equipped to deal with other Tanks, go figure. And mate, I don't even use Aurum so I don't give a damn, I wouldn't care if they gave me the 30 Aurum back. If CCP could find a way to see who bought their modules at a certain price, sure go for it. I'm not biased, more I want a risk game, I want a reason to log on and I want a reason to not want to die other than my KDR. lol now you also admit you don't use aur proving my point that its worthless. get out of your own head and only worrying about what you want.... I want us all to be treated fairly... I don't even use these modules but I did buy them andthat should be respected... not with worthless aur. I also want a risk game and a reason to log on... but I also want my purchase to be honored. Aurum is bad for the game, I don't use it for a reason, it takes away the risk and my personal enjoyment when killing and being killed. Get out of my own head?.. wut. BPOs shouldn't of even existed in the first place, pretty sure I made a post about that in Closed Beta, if you want us all to be "treated fairly" you will ask for all BPOs to be removed so it's fair for everyone playing, that just because you spent some money on the game doesn't mean you don't have to care about dying. You purchased the Aurum, you did not specify when you purchased the Aurum to CCP that you wanted the four specific modules. If you had writted to CCP and stated "I want these specific modules when I purchase your aurum" perhaps I'd have a different view :) fine remove all bpo's and give me my psn credit.... done. I'm happy. at least you agree aur is not fair compensation since its bad. if you bought a credit to some market that had particular items on it and then when you went to buy them and they were gone wouldn't you want your actual money back? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**
Eris Ernaga State Patriots 766	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:29:00 - [22] - Quote It's like this guy refuses to take the refund or accept any of the evidence in front of his face... State Patriots a loyal Caldari based corporation is accepting all Caldari and Amarr to help fight on the front.
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 101	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:32:00 - [23] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: It's like this guy refuses to take the refund or accept any of the evidence in front of his face... I'm just not a sucker is all... ccp handled this poorly even nova knife, a cpm agrees. I refuse to be taken for a ride. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 405	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:42:00 - [24] - Quote Nobody fking cares about those four MLT vehicle modules. They are worthless, useless and ****. Hardly anybody bought them and they can take them without refunding anything, imho. I don't care and so do 99% here.
Jason Pearson 3126	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:55:00 - [25] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Eris Ernaga wrote: It's like this guy refuses to take the refund or accept any of the evidence in front of his face... I'm just not a sucker is all... ccp handled this poorly even nova knife, a cpm agrees. I refuse to be taken for a ride. No, you're one of those people that would purposely get themselves hurt if you could get a lot of money from a lawsuit, it's not enough that you've been given the actual value in aurum of the items (which are pretty useless) but you want to cry about it and get some real money back. No. And if you actually take any of the CPMs opinions to heart you're a sucker :) The only stuff you should take notice of from them is information handed from CCP, not their opinions. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 298	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:44:00 - [26] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: so logibro lied? I don't think you understand that ccp chose to make them useless... why? also I'm ok with the removal if it really improves the game... time will tell... if it doesn't than they were all the more wrong for taking them from us. if they are right, great! but I still deserve an item of equal value. either a permant useful item like maybe a bpo of the new module, or a psn credit or a mark up in aur as great as the mark up those who paid 50 aur are getting..... Oh so now your okay with it.....whatever stops you posting this crap. Now we just have to get you to stop being so self entitled, though I won't hold my breath on that one.
DUST 514 Player 12345678914 Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 568	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:50:00 - [27] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: There isn't a "180" you ***** tool. BPOs are bad for the economy, so CCP stops them being sold BUT you will keep the ones you've got. HOWEVER, there are a couple that don't even function any more due to the massive change of 1.7, So instead of making them completely useless and letting you keep them, they will remove them and give you the FULL refund, are you telling me you bought Aurum for these exact BPOs? Because they're ***** awful and nobody uses them anyways you terribad. Just one point. Taking away an infinite use item and refunding the AUR is not a refund if the only items now available are single use. It fails by any definition.
Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 208	Posted - 2013.11.24 12:22:00 - [28] - Quote Simple solution. let us use BPOs to build the items instead and they are no longer 'game breaking' it would bring an interesting new feature to the game and when markets open up provide a nice way to generate a bit of isk
Jason Pearson 3130	Posted - 2013.11.24 12:33:00 - [29] - Quote DUST 514 Player 12345678914 wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: There isn't a "180" you ***** tool. BPOs are bad for the economy, so CCP stops them being sold BUT you will keep the ones you've got. HOWEVER, there are a couple that don't even function any more due to the massive change of 1.7, So instead of making them completely useless and letting you keep them, they will remove them and give you the FULL refund, are you telling me you bought Aurum for these exact BPOs? Because they're ***** awful and nobody uses them anyways you terribad. Just one point. Taking away an infinite use item and refunding the AUR is not a refund if the only items now available are single use. It fails by any definition. Looking at it from a Real life perspective. I go to a shop regularly, I buy a chocolate bar which cost's -ú0.60 every day alongside other grocery items. I discover that this store offers unlimited supply of Chocolate bars for -ú100 I pay the -ú100 because who wants to pay -ú0.60 for a single bar? After a few months the store realizes it's made a mistake and informs me that they've had to remove my unlimited amount of chocolate bars, but as a gesture of good will are offering -ú100 store credit, due to store policy of no refunds, to spend on anything in the store despite the fact I've eaten my way through atleast 10 times that. Instead of taking my -ú100 credit, despite it being enough to buy plenty of chocolate bars and I was going to spend a lot more up to this point any ways as I enjoy the chocolate, I refuse, stamp my feet and cry about, and then take it to court, lose, get laughed at and actually lose more money for court costs. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 563	Posted - 2013.11.24 14:03:00 - [30] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Nobody fking cares about those four MLT vehicle modules. They are worthless, useless and ****. Hardly anybody bought them and they can take them without refunding anything, imho. I don't care and so do 99% here. nobody cares about 4 insignificant modules. fair enough. but what about lav bpo's, suit bpo's and every other bpo that people use to augment their fits. people definitely care about these modules because there was massive uproar about their removal after eve vegas. the whole reason ccp came out with the statement was to calm the community. we all relaxed as soon as the statement came out and continued our daily carnage meanwhile ccp goes ahead and plans for their removal while we are all preoccupied with events and a false sense of security. it may have started with a few insignificant items but now ccp have grounds to remove all bpos. we buy them from packs, off the market get given them as gifts but as ccp have now proven they will remove them from our inventory without warning. nothing is safe anymore. bpo's, that so called safe investment costing significant amounts of money are now far from it. people have potentially wasted hundreds on something that ccp can delete at will and then refund us with aurum we didn't want in the first place. the problem here is not the removal of bpo's so much as the deceitful way ccp has gone about doing it. the statement is irrefutable no matter what you say."will not remove inventory" yet they did it a few weeks later. all changes to dust are set in motion months before we get the patch notes. this means the statement given was after they had already made the decision to remove bpos yet they still said they would not. -bpo is a permanent item yet apparently not anymore -will not remove bpo's from inventory yet they are doing so anyway -we are removing bpo's from the market so buy them now while you can, oh but we are going to delete them in a few weeks -bpo's are a problem so we are trying to get rid of new sources yet they still release them in in collectors editions etc and encourage people to buy them. i can't believe people don't see this worrying trend of ccp lying to us and not just about bpo's https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find



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