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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2013.11.24 14:03:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Nobody fking cares about those four MLT vehicle modules. They are worthless, useless and ****. Hardly anybody bought them and they can take them without refunding anything, imho. I don't care and so do 99% here.
nobody cares about 4 insignificant modules. fair enough. but what about lav bpo's, suit bpo's and every other bpo that people use to augment their fits. people definitely care about these modules because there was massive uproar about their removal after eve vegas.
the whole reason ccp came out with the statement was to calm the community. we all relaxed as soon as the statement came out and continued our daily carnage meanwhile ccp goes ahead and plans for their removal while we are all preoccupied with events and a false sense of security.
it may have started with a few insignificant items but now ccp have grounds to remove all bpos. we buy them from packs, off the market get given them as gifts but as ccp have now proven they will remove them from our inventory without warning. nothing is safe anymore. bpo's, that so called safe investment costing significant amounts of money are now far from it. people have potentially wasted hundreds on something that ccp can delete at will and then refund us with aurum we didn't want in the first place.
the problem here is not the removal of bpo's so much as the deceitful way ccp has gone about doing it. the statement is irrefutable no matter what you say."will not remove inventory" yet they did it a few weeks later. all changes to dust are set in motion months before we get the patch notes. this means the statement given was after they had already made the decision to remove bpos yet they still said they would not.
-bpo is a permanent item yet apparently not anymore -will not remove bpo's from inventory yet they are doing so anyway -we are removing bpo's from the market so buy them now while you can, oh but we are going to delete them in a few weeks -bpo's are a problem so we are trying to get rid of new sources yet they still release them in in collectors editions etc and encourage people to buy them.
i can't believe people don't see this worrying trend of ccp lying to us and not just about bpo's
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2013.11.24 14:46:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Nobody fking cares about those four MLT vehicle modules. They are worthless, useless and ****. Hardly anybody bought them and they can take them without refunding anything, imho. I don't care and so do 99% here. nobody cares about 4 insignificant modules. fair enough. but what about lav bpo's, suit bpo's and every other bpo that people use to augment their fits. people definitely care about these modules because there was massive uproar about their removal after eve vegas. the whole reason ccp came out with the statement was to calm the community. we all relaxed as soon as the statement came out and continued our daily carnage meanwhile ccp goes ahead and plans for their removal while we are all preoccupied with events and a false sense of security. it may have started with a few insignificant items but now ccp have grounds to remove all bpos. we buy them from packs, off the market get given them as gifts but as ccp have now proven they will remove them from our inventory without warning. nothing is safe anymore. bpo's, that so called safe investment costing significant amounts of money are now far from it. people have potentially wasted hundreds on something that ccp can delete at will and then refund us with aurum we didn't want in the first place. the problem here is not the removal of bpo's so much as the deceitful way ccp has gone about doing it. the statement is irrefutable no matter what you say."will not remove inventory" yet they did it a few weeks later. all changes to dust are set in motion months before we get the patch notes. this means the statement given was after they had already made the decision to remove bpos yet they still said they would not. -bpo is a permanent item yet apparently not anymore -will not remove bpo's from inventory yet they are doing so anyway -we are removing bpo's from the market so buy them now while you can, oh but we are going to delete them in a few weeks -bpo's are a problem so we are trying to get rid of new sources yet they still release them in in collectors editions etc and encourage people to buy them. i can't believe people don't see this worrying trend of ccp lying to us and not just about bpo's Erm, what? There has been no issue with the other BPOs, I don't see any post from CCP stating "Hey guys, it turns out LAVs, Suits, Weapons and every module with a BPO doesn't actually fit into our design any where, so we're removing them all", so there are no other removals. They came out with a statement that has been truthful, there are legit reasons for removing those four BPOs because their modules don't exist or fit in the new vehicle design any more, what else is annoying is the fact that the people that are getting mad are the people the don't use vehicles regularly, it's ludicrous. That doesn't make any sense. There are no grounds for further removals UNLESS the entire range of modules are being removed, if CCP comes out and says "Hey guys, we're removing all weapon BPOs" then yes, you all have a right to get mad, because that would be removing BPOs because BPOs not because it doesn't fit with the game any more. Deceitful way? No a deceitful way would be removing the BPOs and then telling us about it, they've made a thread about them removing these four BPOs and how you'll be refunded, how else do you want them to tell you? A newsletter/post a year ahead of time? Would that be long enough for you to not think you've been backstabbed or something? No, CCP have been fair with this, more than fair. - BPOs are still permanent unless they don't fit in with the rest of the game, I mean if an entire branch of items are being removed, you're not going to keep the BPO because NOBODY else will be able to have that item and it'll break the system. -They're removing four items, because they don't fit with the game anymore, see above. -The rest of the BPOs are fine, see above. -Erm, you can get the BPOs of them already (well could) so really it's just an incentive for a final chance at getting an exclusive type.
please just stop. stop replying when you blatantly don't have the slightest clue about what the issue is.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2013.11.24 18:52:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:
only because we have given you all the arguments but you fail to see our logic. and we are tired of telling the same 3 people the same thing. some people are just dumb....
No, some people are just stubborn :) I disagree with your argument and I think you're wrong, that doesn't make me dumb, it doesn't make you dumb.
how can you possibly disagree with our argument when you don't have the slightest clue what we are going on about about.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2013.11.24 19:24:00 -
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so he supports the game while you just tag along for the ride. free to play games are far from free. someone has to pay somewhere or there will be no game. if ccp wants our money they need substance to the items they supply us. bpo's were a great choice for investing into in dust without huge risk but then ccp changed their mind and its only the ones who are paying who are losing out here. if there were never any bpos then ccp wouldn't have gained half the funds from purchases they have to date.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2013.11.24 19:28:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:
only because we have given you all the arguments but you fail to see our logic. and we are tired of telling the same 3 people the same thing. some people are just dumb....
No, some people are just stubborn :) I disagree with your argument and I think you're wrong, that doesn't make me dumb, it doesn't make you dumb. how can you possibly disagree with our argument when you don't have the slightest clue what we are going on about about. Right, well we started out arguing about CCP doing a 180 on their BPO "policy", in which CCP Logibro stated that they weren't going to remove BPOs - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116404Hey all,
We just wanted to clarify statements made about the removal of BPOs.
We are in the process of removing BPOs from the market. We have already removed them from the in game market, and we will eventually be removing them from packs available on the PSN Store. We are not removing any existing BPOs from any player inventories and there are no plans to do so. BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game.
Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventoriesNow, one must assume that the OP thought that the 180 was due to the fact that when 1.7 is released it will be removing four BPOs - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=15131164800 AUR Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint 4800 AUR Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint 4800 AUR Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier 4800 AUR Militia Power Diagnostic System BlueprintThe OP would go on to complain that it was unfair that he was only being refunded the Aurum, he wanted either his money back for the aurum he spent, or an item of "equivalent value" (Which rereading that has just made me realize CCP should give the OP four Exile Rifle BPOs, right?) The gist of nearly every reply from the OP was about how it was unfair to be removing these four BPOs and that getting only Aurum for it back was an outrage, not only this he had a bone to pick with the Vets who purchased the BPOs at 30 Aurum. He also says something about CCP lying, when they clearly have not, they've removed four BPOs that don't fit into the system anymore and given you a refund. Your post mentioned several things, such as how CCP has the grounds to remove all BPOs, which has actually always been the case, if CCP wanted to remove all the BPOs they could just do it, there is no physical force stopping them and it's well within their rights to do so and just give you an aurum refund (read terms and ****), but they've approached it from a different way, rather than remove every BPO in the game, they'll remove the ones that don't fit with the game (see vehicle modules for details) and let you keep the ones that won't be changed. You then go on to say how CCP are deceitful, which I argued you were wrong about, because there is nothing from CCP about being deceitful; noun [mass noun] the action or practice of deceiving someone by concealing or misrepresenting the truth: a web of deceit hypocrisy and deceit were anathema to her [count noun]: a series of lies and deceitsCCP didn't hide the truth, they haven't made a series of posts lying about it nor have they mislead us in anyway about BPOs so again I disagree with your idea they were deceitful. Alright, TBBT time, soz guy, but yeah, I get your argument, I don't much care for your side of it nor do I agree with any of the points any of you have made at all, and Luca, refer to earlier post, kthx.
lol so saying they will not remove bpo's in inventory and then doing it is not deceitful.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2013.11.24 19:40:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote: What would be deceitful is saying they're not removing BPOs and then doing it without a word.
ccp said they are not removing bpos and then without warning put into the expansion removal of some bpo's. the expansion is as good as done. where was the warning that they were putting this in the expansion after they made the statement they would not remove bpos. the patch notes are not a notice that they are removing bpos, they are a notice that bpo's have been removed. the fact the expansion is not out at this time is irrelevant because bpo removal has already been coded into it so is as good as already removed from our inventories. the patch notes is not a warning period if it has already been done
so yes they deceived us by not warning us before they added it to the expansion
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2013.11.24 19:53:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:
only because we have given you all the arguments but you fail to see our logic. and we are tired of telling the same 3 people the same thing. some people are just dumb....
No, some people are just stubborn :) I disagree with your argument and I think you're wrong, that doesn't make me dumb, it doesn't make you dumb. how can you possibly disagree with our argument when you don't have the slightest clue what we are going on about about. Right, well we started out arguing about CCP doing a 180 on their BPO "policy", in which CCP Logibro stated that they weren't going to remove BPOs - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116404Hey all,
We just wanted to clarify statements made about the removal of BPOs.
We are in the process of removing BPOs from the market. We have already removed them from the in game market, and we will eventually be removing them from packs available on the PSN Store. We are not removing any existing BPOs from any player inventories and there are no plans to do so. BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game.
Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventoriesNow, one must assume that the OP thought that the 180 was due to the fact that when 1.7 is released it will be removing four BPOs - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=15131164800 AUR Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint 4800 AUR Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint 4800 AUR Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier 4800 AUR Militia Power Diagnostic System BlueprintThe OP would go on to complain that it was unfair that he was only being refunded the Aurum, he wanted either his money back for the aurum he spent, or an item of "equivalent value" (Which rereading that has just made me realize CCP should give the OP four Exile Rifle BPOs, right?) The gist of nearly every reply from the OP was about how it was unfair to be removing these four BPOs and that getting only Aurum for it back was an outrage, not only this he had a bone to pick with the Vets who purchased the BPOs at 30 Aurum. He also says something about CCP lying, when they clearly have not, they've removed four BPOs that don't fit into the system anymore and given you a refund. Your post mentioned several things, such as how CCP has the grounds to remove all BPOs, which has actually always been the case, if CCP wanted to remove all the BPOs they could just do it, there is no physical force stopping them and it's well within their rights to do so and just give you an aurum refund (read terms and ****), but they've approached it from a different way, rather than remove every BPO in the game, they'll remove the ones that don't fit with the game (see vehicle modules for details) and let you keep the ones that won't be changed. You then go on to say how CCP are deceitful, which I argued you were wrong about, because there is nothing from CCP about being deceitful; noun [mass noun] the action or practice of deceiving someone by concealing or misrepresenting the truth: a web of deceit hypocrisy and deceit were anathema to her [count noun]: a series of lies and deceitsCCP didn't hide the truth, they haven't made a series of posts lying about it nor have they mislead us in anyway about BPOs so again I disagree with your idea they were deceitful. Alright, TBBT time, soz guy, but yeah, I get your argument, I don't much care for your side of it nor do I agree with any of the points any of you have made at all, and Luca, refer to earlier post, kthx. Good points. The op just feels butthurt about it. Even though we all know its fair he feels entitled to ask for more....yes I believe in a post I made on the subject he stated that his time wasn't free. Oh my yes, you must pay for the pleasure of this fools time. He also stated the issues weren't just about bpos, its more about how he feels betrayed because logibro lied! Which of course he didn't, they have been shown this many times yet they cannot seem to hear with their heads so far up their own asses. Logic fails these crusaders.
which of course logibro did lie. how can you not possibly translate his post as anything but a lie about what has happened. is there not bpo's being removed from players inventory... yes or no. its a simple question anyone with 2 brain cells could answer but after reading some of these posts i may be wrong about that
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2013.11.24 19:59:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Eve Vegas 2013
CCP Atli when asked by Zion Shad about the state of BPOs
CCP Atli stated "They're not safe" in referencing to the last sources of BPOs being made available still.
Forums erupted a short bit
CCP Logibro on behalf of the community team (after hunting down CCP Saberwing and CCP Atli at eve vegas) put out the statement of re-interation.
Rewind to 1.5 the original vehicle patch CCP Wolfman was going about saying how they where going to need to remove modules, and noise as well as a few other things from the game to make vehicles work again. During about post 1.6 CCP Wolfman then posted a therad of all the new modules. Which did not for all intents and purposes not included the 4 module families including their BPO variants.
This also means that majority of these modules are unusable, on the simple grounds you will not even HAVE THE SKILL LEVELS REQUIRED to operate them any more as the skills are being removed entirely to exclude 3 of the modules. The fourth module the armor plate is nearly incapable of fitting proper on any vehicle without killing its function entirely.
CCP had to then consult legal, marketing, and sever bros on how to handle the entire 'respec' issue if and begin drafting a plan on what they were going to do once 1.7 hit. That plan is now public. so logibro lied? I don't think you understand that ccp chose to make them useless... why? also I'm ok with the removal if it really improves the game... time will tell... if it doesn't than they were all the more wrong for taking them from us.if they are right, great! but I still deserve an item of equal value. either a permant useful item like maybe a bpo of the new module, or a psn credit or a mark up in aur as great as the mark up those who paid 50 aur are getting..... This is a new twist. When have you said in ANY thread about this that you were ok with it if it makes the game better. I could ask you where the 180 came from, too. my issue has always been appropriate compensation, OR to leave them alone.... you guys against this movement just don't read the threads... And your statement counteracts that issue. There IS appropriate compensation, the Aurum that you bought (you didn't buy the BPO's, just the Aurum) with which you got the BPO's. It's a fair trade. Do you think I'd complain if they removed my Primordial suit? No, it's just militia. And my RAVEN suit is STD, and I still don't care.
you not caring is your own prerogative. denying everyone else theirs is not your right. if ccp wants people to spend on dust they need to work with us not against us
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2013.11.24 20:06:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:What I really don't understand is how somebody can rage so hard because of those four useless BPOs.
They will be removed, because they are no longer in the game due to the vehicle rework. They get fully refunded. Everything is fine. EVERYTHING IS FINE.
the problem is this is likely just the start of things to come. and if we let ccp off lightly then we will suffer later down the line. insignificant modules now and more important ones later. letting them off with a simple refund is not enough to let them get away with it
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2013.11.24 20:21:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:What I really don't understand is how somebody can rage so hard because of those four useless BPOs.
They will be removed, because they are no longer in the game due to the vehicle rework. They get fully refunded. Everything is fine. EVERYTHING IS FINE. the problem is this is likely just the start of things to come. and if we let ccp off lightly then we will suffer later down the line. insignificant modules now and more important ones later. letting them off with a simple refund is not enough to let them get away with it But it's not like they're going to get rid of your Toxins or Dragonflies or Drens or whatever. You paid for those with REAL money. And then you used the Aurum that came with it to get 4 more BPO's, all of which are nonfunctional after 1.7. That is the point that those of us who are AGAINST this are trying to make.
why cant they. if its an ingame item they can change anything they want. if they removed assault rifles from the game what would happen to bpo's based on them. this is the issue here. no matter the compensation ccp gives the fact remains all bpos are based on ingame isk items and removing any of these items would force a removal of the bpos they are based on. a simple compensation is not acceptable because some of these items have no aurum value. also some items in packs were also available on the market at some point.
i believe the toxin's were available on the market at 1 point. now that item has a aur value so they can remove it. lets say they had a pack only version of a toxin. while it is not a aur item in the pack there is /was an item exactly the same on the market at some point that did and nothing is stopping ccp from basing the value on that item and then removing it.
dren logistics - pack item sever logistics - same item just different name but market bought
now ccp has a comparison aur value to compensate you for it and snatch the suit from you
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