..... its the same exact weapon except it overheats and does sheild/armor difference. Its actually better for 1v1s than the Tac was. Look at my math and facts in the OP, its straight up more efficient than the Tac in 1v1 and only suffers if your attempting to kill 2v1. Unless their sheild tanked, you can easily kill them both

so.... your saying its okay that it can 1 hit kill a proto suit without a headshot?

So your proving it has a disadvantage in facing groups.

Dang i forgot about the second firing mode ability in the OP. I like this part about the weapon actually. But your wrong, it can one shot a minmitar scout suit with 333 shields and 70 armor with a body shot. Happens to me fairly consistantly

so.... your saying its okay that it can 1 hit kill a proto suit without a headshot?

yes unless they are shielded. But tbqh, would you TRY to kill groups of people by yourself? No, youd, run away and set up to a more favorable position/to allys even if your a heavy. All weapons are at a disadvantage when outnumbered, not just scramblers. But scramblers and destroy pairs of shield tankers and thats the truth. It can also destroy literally anything in a 1v1, so if your smart you wont be outnumbered and lure enemys to 1v1s pro tip

It does ~3.5x more damage than a a single uncharged shot, but takes 2 seconds to charge. In 2 seconds someone can shoot way more than 3 times. The DPS of a charged shot is actually only about 140.
[(79.2x3.5)++ 2.0] = 138.6

Also, a shield tanked light frame is the ScRs favorite snack.

no it can one hit a proto suit with a charged shot, adding profficentcy 5 and one complex damage mod (99x3.5= 346.50 not counting the shield/armor difference. OR fire hip fire and crush that suit he blinks. Thats pretty fast (instant) and no other weapon can do that. No matter what the scout dies instantly or under .5 of a second. My caldari suit has 476 shields and 105 armor. Doesn't last much longer ethire. Minmitar dies even faster because they have less HP. Ammar has half shields/half armor so they cant tank enough armor on their fits so they die just as fast. Gallente is resistant but not particularly hard to kill ethire

A proto heavy no, a proto medium maybe but a scout yes it's completely fine.

.... a proto medium maby. wow.
Anyways, you realise there is NO OTHER anti infaintry weapon besides the very balanced shotty that can one hit 400HP?

no it can one hit a proto suit with a charged shot, adding profficentcy 5 and one complex damage mod (99x3.5= 346.50 not counting the shield/armor difference. OR fire hip fire and crush that suit he blinks. Thats pretty fast (instant) and no other weapon can do that. No matter what the scout dies instantly or under .5 of a second. My caldari suit has 476 shields and 105 armor. Doesn't last much longer ethire. Minmitar dies even faster because they have less HP. Ammar has half shields/half armor so they cant tank enough armor on their fits so they die just as fast. Gallente is resistant but not particularly hard to kill ethire

What is expescailly OP is a skilled played with an imperial like Addict Punk or Tiberius. Have you seen them? You die instantly. Thats pretty quick, and in the past you had a chance against them when they used anything other than SCRs. Coensidence?

Any Plasma Cannon, Thale's, Charged Sniper Rifle, Any Forge Gun, Scramble Pistol Headshot. This would all one hit a 400HP suit.

no it can one hit a proto suit with a charged shot, adding profficentcy 5 and one complex damage mod (99x3.5= 346.50 not counting the shield/armor difference. OR fire hip fire and crush that suit he blinks. Thats pretty fast (instant) and no other weapon can do that. No matter what the scout dies instantly or under .5 of a second. My caldari suit has 476 shields and 105 armor. Doesn't last much longer ethire. Minmitar dies even faster because they have less HP. Ammar has half shields/half armor so they cant tank enough armor on their fits so they die just as fast. Gallente is resistant but not particularly hard to kill ethire

no it can one hit a proto suit with a charged shot, adding profficentcy 5 and one complex damage mod (99x3.5= 346.50 not counting the shield/armor difference. OR fire hip fire and crush that suit he blinks. Thats pretty fast (instant) and no other weapon can do that. No matter what the scout dies instantly or under .5 of a second. My caldari suit has 476 shields and 105 armor. Doesn't last much longer ethire. Minmitar dies even faster because they have less HP. Ammar has half shields/half armor so they cant tank enough armor on their fits so they die just as fast. Gallente is resistant but not particularly hard to kill ethire

Everything you just said is now invalid just because of that one sentence.

your so bad at trolling/reasoning, whatever your trying to do i cant tell. A minmitar scout has 333 shields and 70 armor. It does +20% damage to shields and 83% of its tottal amount of HP are in fact sheilds. So you can assume thats enough shields to get one shotted. Its so obvious i shouldent have to say it! Weird how iknow how the scrambler rifile works than the people deffending it, im not even discriminating the facts like you are bro. Be real and debate

The plasma cannon and forge gun are anti tank weapons so they dont count but the others do. To be fair, the pistol needs a head shot to kill and the AR version does not need it one bit, id say thats pretty balanced on the pistols part. Would you? The Sniper rifles yeah but they are meant to OHK people and ARs are not.

The reason to that is very simple, Hit Boxes now work properly....or maybe too accuratly.

Before i would have half my rounds give me hit feedback, but they did nothing to someones shields or armor, the bulltes just ghosted out of excistence.

Also the game now favors people with more twitch skills due to the low TTK's we have, ive seen your reaction and time to aim speed Exmaple, its like looking at a baby turtle seeing a crop of salad. Most people have an average of 0.3ms, then they need an average of 0.5ms to get on target, thats 0.8ms of time, that is if they saw their target or recognized it as a target, most people take another half second for their target recognition to catch up.

For good players, the startle reflex takes over part of the recognition, bypassing that part, relfexes for good players are around a 0.16ms and time to target aim sits at a 0.3ms.

If we all add that up with a TTK of 0.6 seconds roughly, witch are percieved as instagibs and having fought Tiberius on semi equal footing, he doesnt insta-gib me, but can severely wound me, while at the same time i was hurting him.

Recap:

Normal Player: total time to react & counter fire = 1.3 seconds + 0.6 seconds to Gib the target = 1.9s to kill target.
Good Player: total time to react & counter fire = 0.46 Seconds +0.6 seconds to Gib the target = 1.06s to kill target.

This makes it so that for Regular Players, they are gibbed BEFORE they can return fire, this also is true for their teammastes unable to return fire inside the time someone like Tiberius Gibs one of them and while they re-adjust to the QQ comming in over the Coms from the guy being gibbed, another one is most likely gibbed before the guy has to duck into cover, witch with his relfexes is possible.


Before the TTK changes, where say we had 2s Gib times, the buddies could in that timeframe aquire the target with their aim and put down some smack, even with their slower reaction time, the good player did not have enough time to burn trough someone.

Also it doesnt help those regular players that they are standing still, so if Tibby takes cover and the guy looses his tracking, its again going to take the guy longer to react to the enemy rearing the corner to pop him.


Thats what is basically happening right now, i know for a fact Tiberius is faster then me on both aim and reaction speed, but i am riding it close (i am 36 afterall and i dont have my reaction speed i used to have, but its still half that of a normal player)

Ive got players accuse me of everything, because i went trough their squad with my Imperial like taking out the trash, when i saw them again i would swap to my ASCR and have the same effect on them, and i would still be having the same effec on them if i had a Duvolle.

A Lower TTK is really deadly in the hands of skilled players and we all gravitate to high Alpha Hitting weapons and people like Tibby don't miss, so all their shots connect now with the fixed Hit boxes.

I am completely not affected by the low TTK because my previous game had even lower Average TTK's, but i see people who did well in full squads before fumble around right now and do awefully bad.

The negative side of this was, before 1.6 i ran less kills then i do now per game but i was also killed allot less, if i was killed 3 times a game in 1.5 or below, that was a friggin allot, if i killed 25 people it was friggin allot, but that was due to squads being much more resilient to one lone gunman. Now i run 30+ kills on average a game and can go trough an entire squad before reloading with the Imperial, Standard, or the Carthum it makes no difference.

The culprit is the low TTK and Hit Detection working, what are you gonna do, Nerf Player Skill ? They wanted more action in Dust, well heres more action, to bad it results in my enemies looking more at the spawn screen.

ps: Phew that got long fast....

The Plasma Cannon is not AV. The Mass Driver is a better AV weapon.

I am debating and yes your resent post was invalid because it didn't factor in all the variables. But now on to your OP^ its really confusing because its sounds like your agreeing that your scout should get 1 shotted

neither MD or PC or described as AV weapons in their descriptions.

Well, im not saying its wrong that a suit with 400 HP to be killed, but i am saying its wrong that a suit with 400HP should die in one hit from an assault rifile. As friz said above, anti tank weapons? damn right they shot be OHK. headshoted? yes. snipers yeah that too. but an AR? no. not even right. too strong

oh, you got me! Way to stroke your E-Peen all over my thread by calling me bad and you/tibby good. Everyone knows i suck! tell me something i dont know and kill me again Roll theres more to game balance than there is hit boxes, hit detection, TTK and reaction time. In fact, you ignored every single stat of the weapons when were talking about it's balance.

Also, your saying this weapon is balanced simply because no one has the reaction time to know their getting hit and get out the way. Pretty much impossible. Pretty much impossible to balance in that manner too

Ive been over all the math of the guns yesterday when someone advocated a 30% drop on its dps, while his math was all based off everyone using 3 Damage Mods, i am not gonna do the number crunching again, you can look up that thread and read it there...

Also i am not stroking E-Peen, just stating facts from having fought Tiberius, he could only Insta Gib me if he was together with Keri using a Tac, and the only people i insta gib are suits with less then 400 total EHP everything else has time to turn around or at least try to, the times ive been insta gibbed by Laser Accurate Duvolles, i can write a book about it.....and i never stand still, while most people recoil in horror....to get hit by followup shots.

Encountering him solo could go both ways for us, but i was using an Imperial and a ProtoSuit, he was only using an advanced suit and a standard SCR.

If i would be stroking mine, i would not put out statements that make me look bad, if you cannot react to Tiberius firing at you, you should take a Reaction Speed test and train it, the numerous (Tedious) flash games ive played to keep my reaction up should be awarded in the games i trained it for, if you have not trained yours, well s*cks to be you.

D Tac damage per bullet: 78.5
Imperial Scrambler Rifle damage per charge: 79.5?

Accuracy of D Tac: Zero recoil, 100% perfect accuracy ADS or hipfire unless on the move but still accurate
Imperial Scrambler Rifle: Zero recoil, 100% perfect accuracy ADS or hipfire unless on the move but still accurate

Sights of D Tac: A nice ACOG scope with a small zoom but loses preferential vision
Sights of Imperial Scrambler: A red dot sight with an insignificant zoom but retains preferential vision


Clip size of D Tac: had a clip of 36.
Clip size of Imperial Scrambler: 45? But can overheat. Not sure how much it effects the Imperial, but hinders the standard version

Rate of fire of D Tac: Rediculas
Rate of fire of an Imperial Scrambler: More rediculas. Wish i was in front of my PS3 to determine the exact ROF

Both do more damage than tank blaster turrets with a damage mod and max profficentcy, but the SCR gains a bonus to sheilds and a debuff to armor. Admitively, it doesent matter if your armor speced you die quickly ethire way but its death to shield suits. Well, faster death. The D Tac killed everyone just as quick and everyone was screwed, but they were screwed equally.

So the orginal D Tac was indeed OP AF, and it got nerfed pretty good. But the SCR has the same stats as the orginal D tac except it fires faster, has more ammo & clip, murders shields faster, does slightly more damage in general and has an overheat function. Not entirely sure how much that effects the later variants, but it effects the standard rifle. Then again, i have the absolute minimal stats to get standard so i geuss it wont matter much at imperial.

So we cried the D tac was OP because it was, so why hasent the SCR been balanced yet? Is it because not every single person in the game is using them yet, like it happened with the D Tac?
P.S, im gona use it here and there untill its nerfed. it really doesent matter at this point

o_o

Thank you for your incredibly kind words. I need to play the EU servers with Keri some time soon o7

@ Maple, I think we need to think about buffing the other suits. I believe that the Amarr Assault is the best example of a suit bonus done right. The other suits need role specific advantages like this, and I'm sure thats what CCP is hoping to achieve. This Thread was a good read.