DUST Search - Comparing the current scrambler rifle to the orginal D TAC

1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:

Rei Shepard wrote:

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oh, you got me! Way to stroke your E-Peen all over my thread by calling me bad and you/tibby good. Everyone knows i suck! tell me something i dont know and kill me again Roll theres more to game balance than there is hit boxes, hit detection, TTK and reaction time. In fact, you ignored every single stat of the weapons when were talking about it's balance.

Also, your saying this weapon is balanced simply because no one has the reaction time to know their getting hit and get out the way. Pretty much impossible. Pretty much impossible to balance in that manner too

Ive been over all the math of the guns yesterday when someone advocated a 30% drop on its dps, while his math was all based off everyone using 3 Damage Mods, i am not gonna do the number crunching again, you can look up that thread and read it there...

Also i am not stroking E-Peen, just stating facts from having fought Tiberius, he could only Insta Gib me if he was together with Keri using a Tac, and the only people i insta gib are suits with less then 400 total EHP everything else has time to turn around or at least try to, the times ive been insta gibbed by Laser Accurate Duvolles, i can write a book about it.....and i never stand still, while most people recoil in horror....to get hit by followup shots.

Encountering him solo could go both ways for us, but i was using an Imperial and a ProtoSuit, he was only using an advanced suit and a standard SCR.

If i would be stroking mine, i would not put out statements that make me look bad, if you cannot react to Tiberius firing at you, you should take a Reaction Speed test and train it, the numerous (Tedious) flash games ive played to keep my reaction up should be awarded in the games i trained it for, if you have not trained yours, well s*cks to be you.

o_o

Thank you for your incredibly kind words. I need to play the EU servers with Keri some time soon o7

@ Maple, I think we need to think about buffing the other suits. I believe that the Amarr Assault is the best example of a suit bonus done right. The other suits need role specific advantages like this, and I'm sure thats what CCP is hoping to achieve. This Thread was a good read.


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Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1059	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:46:00 - [1] - Quote Quote: What is expescailly OP is a skilled played with an imperial like Addict Punk or Tiberius. Have you seen them? You die instantly. Thats pretty quick, and in the past you had a chance against them when they used anything other than SCRs. Coensidence? The reason to that is very simple, Hit Boxes now work properly....or maybe too accuratly. Before i would have half my rounds give me hit feedback, but they did nothing to someones shields or armor, the bulltes just ghosted out of excistence. Also the game now favors people with more twitch skills due to the low TTK's we have, ive seen your reaction and time to aim speed Exmaple, its like looking at a baby turtle seeing a crop of salad. Most people have an average of 0.3ms, then they need an average of 0.5ms to get on target, thats 0.8ms of time, that is if they saw their target or recognized it as a target, most people take another half second for their target recognition to catch up. For good players, the startle reflex takes over part of the recognition, bypassing that part, relfexes for good players are around a 0.16ms and time to target aim sits at a 0.3ms. If we all add that up with a TTK of 0.6 seconds roughly, witch are percieved as instagibs and having fought Tiberius on semi equal footing, he doesnt insta-gib me, but can severely wound me, while at the same time i was hurting him. Recap: Normal Player: total time to react & counter fire = 1.3 seconds + 0.6 seconds to Gib the target = 1.9s to kill target. Good Player: total time to react & counter fire = 0.46 Seconds +0.6 seconds to Gib the target = 1.06s to kill target. This makes it so that for Regular Players, they are gibbed BEFORE they can return fire, this also is true for their teammastes unable to return fire inside the time someone like Tiberius Gibs one of them and while they re-adjust to the QQ comming in over the Coms from the guy being gibbed, another one is most likely gibbed before the guy has to duck into cover, witch with his relfexes is possible. Before the TTK changes, where say we had 2s Gib times, the buddies could in that timeframe aquire the target with their aim and put down some smack, even with their slower reaction time, the good player did not have enough time to burn trough someone. Also it doesnt help those regular players that they are standing still, so if Tibby takes cover and the guy looses his tracking, its again going to take the guy longer to react to the enemy rearing the corner to pop him. Thats what is basically happening right now, i know for a fact Tiberius is faster then me on both aim and reaction speed, but i am riding it close (i am 36 afterall and i dont have my reaction speed i used to have, but its still half that of a normal player) Ive got players accuse me of everything, because i went trough their squad with my Imperial like taking out the trash, when i saw them again i would swap to my ASCR and have the same effect on them, and i would still be having the same effec on them if i had a Duvolle. A Lower TTK is really deadly in the hands of skilled players and we all gravitate to high Alpha Hitting weapons and people like Tibby don't miss, so all their shots connect now with the fixed Hit boxes. I am completely not affected by the low TTK because my previous game had even lower Average TTK's, but i see people who did well in full squads before fumble around right now and do awefully bad. The negative side of this was, before 1.6 i ran less kills then i do now per game but i was also killed allot less, if i was killed 3 times a game in 1.5 or below, that was a friggin allot, if i killed 25 people it was friggin allot, but that was due to squads being much more resilient to one lone gunman. Now i run 30+ kills on average a game and can go trough an entire squad before reloading with the Imperial, Standard, or the Carthum it makes no difference. The culprit is the low TTK and Hit Detection working, what are you gonna do, Nerf Player Skill ? They wanted more action in Dust, well heres more action, to bad it results in my enemies looking more at the spawn screen. ps: Phew that long fast.... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1060	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:16:00 - [2] - Quote Quote: oh, you got me! Way to stroke your E-Peen all over my thread by calling me bad and you/tibby good. Everyone knows i suck! tell me something i dont know and kill me again Roll theres more to game balance than there is hit boxes, hit detection, TTK and reaction time. In fact, you ignored every single stat of the weapons when were talking about it's balance. Also, your saying this weapon is balanced simply because no one has the reaction time to know their getting hit and get out the way. Pretty much impossible. Pretty much impossible to balance in that manner too Ive been over all the match of the guns yesterday when someone advocated a 30% drop on its dps, while his math was all based off everyone using 3 Damage Mods, i am not gonna do the number crunching again, you can look up that thread and read it there... Also i am not stroking E-Peen, just stating facts from having fought Tiberius, he could only Insta Gib me if he was together with Keri using a Tac, and the only people i insta gib are suits with less then 400 total EHP everything else has time to turn around or at least try to, the times ive been insta gibbed by Laser Accurate Duvolles, i can write a book about it..... Encountering him solo could go both ways for us, but i was using an Imperial and a ProtoSuit, he was only using an advanced suit and a standard SCR. If i would be stroking mine, i would not put out statements that make me look bad, if you cannot react to Tiberius firing at you, you should take a Reaction Speed test and train it, the numerous (Tedious) flash games ive played to keep my reaction up should be awarded in the games i trained it for, if you have not trained yours, well s*cks to be you. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1061	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:31:00 - [3] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Quote: oh, you got me! Way to stroke your E-Peen all over my thread by calling me bad and you/tibby good. Everyone knows i suck! tell me something i dont know and kill me again Roll theres more to game balance than there is hit boxes, hit detection, TTK and reaction time. In fact, you ignored every single stat of the weapons when were talking about it's balance. Also, your saying this weapon is balanced simply because no one has the reaction time to know their getting hit and get out the way. Pretty much impossible. Pretty much impossible to balance in that manner too Ive been over all the math of the guns yesterday when someone advocated a 30% drop on its dps, while his math was all based off everyone using 3 Damage Mods, i am not gonna do the number crunching again, you can look up that thread and read it there... Also i am not stroking E-Peen, just stating facts from having fought Tiberius, he could only Insta Gib me if he was together with Keri using a Tac, and the only people i insta gib are suits with less then 400 total EHP everything else has time to turn around or at least try to, the times ive been insta gibbed by Laser Accurate Duvolles, i can write a book about it.....and i never stand still, while most people recoil in horror....to get hit by followup shots. Encountering him solo could go both ways for us, but i was using an Imperial and a ProtoSuit, he was only using an advanced suit and a standard SCR. If i would be stroking mine, i would not put out statements that make me look bad, if you cannot react to Tiberius firing at you, you should take a Reaction Speed test and train it, the numerous (Tedious) flash games ive played to keep my reaction up should be awarded in the games i trained it for, if you have not trained yours, well s*cks to be you. o_o Thank you for your incredibly kind words. I need to play the EU servers with Keri some time soon o7 @ Maple, I think we need to think about buffing the other suits. I believe that the Amarr Assault is the best example of a suit bonus done right. The other suits need role specific advantages like this, and I'm sure thats what CCP is hoping to achieve. This Thread was a good read. While the amarr suit is the only suit that does something good, its also bad for diversity to have suits with innate bonusses to specific race weapons only. They need to step it up a notch and deliver suits more akin to Eve ships. Theres amarr ships with only laser bonusses, but there are also ships from amarr with missile bonusses or drones... Right now the pool of suits/modules & weapons is just too small to allow for diverse setups, also the modules that do not give +EHP should be looked at to give a % EHP so that while you equip a scanner you get say 20 EHP added to the suit, but a plate is still better in the Armor adding department. I dont get it how they can make seemingly unending suits for sale with a diffrent color, but they cannot deliver us new suits with diffrent slot layouts. I also think their shoice of only doing High & Low slots was a mistake in diversifying suit setups, for ships with High, Mids, & Lows the combinations are much more diverse then just 2 racks here. Right now only Speed, DPS, EHP matters, everything else on a suit is a wasted Module. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"