If armor gets nerfed because Gallente logi is ridiculous, I will have a litter of kittens, send them to the CCP Shanghai office, and make them poop on the entire office.
No, the Gallente assault isn't the best suit, and armor isn't the best tank, if you actually do the math, Caldari assault comes out on top. (Psst, try putting a CPU extender in the low slot, see what happens)
Not to mention that the current meta is anti shield weapons (SCR and AR).

The problem is logis.
Logis get inherent 5hp/s (Which is huge, that's like a free complex module), can get ridiculos eHP compared to the assault AND fit 3x complex damage mods AND get equipment.

So all of you people who say "lolno, armor is the best cuz dmods and stuffz", my Gallente assault barely has any tank if I try to use damage mods.
6.25 hp/s and 441 armor anyone?

easy fix
swap logi and assault H/L low layout, cal std 3 cal adv 4 cal pro 5.
gal assault hp/s skill, swap H/L layout.
or less cpu/pg on logis and cpu/pg buff on assaults

If armor gets nerfed because Gallente logi is ridiculous, I will have a litter of kittens, send them to the CCP Shanghai office, and make them poop on the entire office.
No, the Gallente assault isn't the best suit, and armor isn't the best tank, if you actually do the math, Caldari assault comes out on top. (Psst, try putting a CPU extender in the low slot, see what happens)
Not to mention that the current meta is anti shield weapons (SCR and AR).

The problem is logis.
Logis get inherent 5hp/s (Which is huge, that's like a free complex module), can get ridiculos eHP compared to the assault AND fit 3x complex damage mods AND get equipment.

So all of you people who say "lolno, armor is the best cuz dmods and stuffz", my Gallente assault barely has any tank if I try to use damage mods.
6.25 hp/s and 441 armor anyone?

Agreed. Overall assault suits arent the best middle frame suit. and all need a CPU mod.
And yes, gal and cal logis are the source of many issues that shouldnt be balanced until they are fixed bonuses and modules potential wise. As long as they'll remain potential huge EHP and damage dealer, they'll throw any balance attempt.

In response to this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121624

If armor gets nerfed because Gallente logi is ridiculous, I will have a litter of kittens, send them to the CCP Shanghai office, and make them poop on the entire office.
No, the Gallente assault isn't the best suit, and armor isn't the best tank, if you actually do the math, Caldari assault comes out on top. (Psst, try putting a CPU extender in the low slot, see what happens)
Not to mention that the current meta is anti shield weapons (SCR and AR).

The problem is logis.
Logis get inherent 5hp/s (Which is huge, that's like a free complex module), can get ridiculos eHP compared to the assault AND fit 3x complex damage mods AND get equipment.

So all of you people who say "lolno, armor is the best cuz dmods and stuffz", my Gallente assault barely has any tank if I try to use damage mods.
6.25 hp/s and 441 armor anyone?



Armor was just buffed after months of being useless, all it got was +20HP and slightly less speed penalty.
Go F*** yourself if you don't like it.

1. I agree, armour is not OP. Shields get fast regen, no need for repper, no movement penalty, and resistance versus the constant core locus spam. I think shields versus armour is quite well balanced right now.
2. For the thousandth time, logis are not OP. Lower movement speed and lack of sidearm are massive drawbacks. If I had a respec I'd probably get out of logi and into assault.

Armor was just buffed after always being useless, all it got was +20HP and slightly less speed penalty.
Go F*** yourself if you don't like it.

2. Not really. When you get a duvolle/SCR that do OMGWTFBBQ damage, you rarely need a sidearm.
They get massively more eHP, more regen on armor, AND in addition get 4 equipment.
How is that NOT OP?

A lot of my deaths are due to lack of sidearm. Against one or even two opponents it is usually unnecessary, but against multiples you get to the point where a logi needs to reload, and no amount of HP is going to save you. I'd happily give up two slots plus CPU/PG to get a sidearm on my logi.

Agreed. Overall assault suits arent the best middle frame suit. and all need a CPU mod.
And yes, gal and cal logis are the source of many issues that shouldnt be balanced until they are fixed bonuses and modules potential wise. As long as they'll remain potential huge EHP and damage dealer, they'll throw any balance attempt.

Oh wow, another OP logi thread. The sad part is CCP listens to the loudest whiners on the forum.

Oh wow, another OP logi thread. The sad part is CCP listens to the loudest whiners on the forum.

When my logi can get 750 armor and 3x complex damage mods with a duvolle, while my assault has to stick with a GEK 38, 2x damage mods, and 450 armor, something is wrong.

When my logi can get 750 armor and 3x complex damage mods with a duvolle, while my assault has to stick with a GEK 38, 2x damage mods, and 450 armor, something is wrong.

While all of that is true, most of the "balancing" suggestions in the forums seem to be aimed to cripple all logis. Remove the inbuilt health generation, give them less H/L slots, less CPU/PG, remove the light weapon slot, give them even less base health and/or speed...

These would make the logi fits that are proto weapon, proto nade, all HP and damage mods and then use the tiny bit of CPU and PG left over to throw on some equipment, usually adv or below, less competitive against assault suits, yes... and would make the already weak as hell equipment/support modules prioritizing logis, particularly us poor Minmatar, even weaker. And BTW, I have not, nor am I now, asking the Minmatar logi suit to be buffed, I think it is one of the most balanced suits of the game... I just really don't see why it needs a major nerf, either. I know you, Laurent, specified cal and gal logis, and I'm pretty sure the OP is also just talking about Gallente logis specifically, but most people don't.

Kind of like the situation as when people were crying for the Cal logi to be nerfed, very few of them would bother to specify it was the Caldari logi they thought needed balancing, it was all "I got killed by a yellow suit, NERF LOGIS!!!"

And once again, maybe the situation would be better solved by looking at things like giving assault suits more CPU, better suit bonuses, etc. Also, maybe shield and armour modules should have stacking penalties, this would affect the logis (with their lower base HP and more slots to stack health modules) much more than assaults... (Because yes, the amount of HP Gal logis can currently stack is pretty ridiculous)

However, I personally think there should be no major buffs or nerfs to the medium suit classes until CCP has done some major work on the light and heavy suits.

Yeah, what's wrong is the assault suit sucks big time. I don't think the way to fix it is to nerf the logi suit. I would much rather better assault bonuses (racial and fitting reqs.) Improving the other suits, heavy and scout included, will fix this problem.

A lot of my deaths are due to lack of sidearm. Against one or even two opponents it is usually unnecessary, but against multiples you get to the point where a logi needs to reload, and no amount of HP is going to save you. I'd happily give up two slots plus CPU/PG to get a sidearm on my logi.

How about you get an Assault suit instead ?

Because like you frase it, after killing numerous enemies, you get killed ....ONLY because you run out of bullets in the gun ...

Don't get me wrong i do the same you do using an Assault suit, but you know ...i am using an Assault suit ...i dont ussually die because i run out of bullets, i die because i get creamed by a Logi with 300 EHP more then me and he has additional damage mods on it, and more utility then me after he has killed me, he will sweep the area with a scanner, drop a proto hive or 2 and be on his merry way...

Me and my assault suit after i go trough a pack of 4-6 red berries, is in bad shape and i either have to sacirfice being able to repair myself or use a scanner to see if theres a 7 the guy straggling along.

If i use the Scanner setup, i now know theres a Full EHP dude heading towards me and ill still be at low armor/shields when he gets to me, or i take hives and he ambushes me in the b*tt...

Either way ill be ******, but with a Mac Guyver suit, no worries ....lemme put down some Remote Explosives ....and blow the dude to hell...while i repair my seit ...


Assault Suits, i only use em because my sense of honor doesnt allow me to run Logistics 24/7.

Would swapping the Light Weapon slot for a Sidearm Weapon put the Logi in its place?

Instead of doing all of this other stuff that would run CCP in circles, why not force them into a support role, as intended, but still allow them to sufficiently defend themselves?

I GalLogi (sometimes.)
I would not have a problem with this.

You make plenty of valid points. I certainly do appreciate the HP advantage and flexibility logis have, but I'm just saying there are drawbacks as well.