DUST Search - If armor gets nerfed because Gallente logi is ridiculous

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

In response to this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121624

If armor gets nerfed because Gallente logi is ridiculous, I will have a litter of kittens, send them to the CCP Shanghai office, and make them poop on the entire office.
No, the Gallente assault isn't the best suit, and armor isn't the best tank, if you actually do the math, Caldari assault comes out on top. (Psst, try putting a CPU extender in the low slot, see what happens)
Not to mention that the current meta is anti shield weapons (SCR and AR).

The problem is logis.
Logis get inherent 5hp/s (Which is huge, that's like a free complex module), can get ridiculos eHP compared to the assault AND fit 3x complex damage mods AND get equipment.

So all of you people who say "lolno, armor is the best cuz dmods and stuffz", my Gallente assault barely has any tank if I try to use damage mods.
6.25 hp/s and 441 armor anyone?

Armor was just buffed after months of being useless, all it got was +20HP and slightly less speed penalty.
Go F*** yourself if you don't like it.

1. I agree, armour is not OP. Shields get fast regen, no need for repper, no movement penalty, and resistance versus the constant core locus spam. I think shields versus armour is quite well balanced right now.
2. For the thousandth time, logis are not OP. Lower movement speed and lack of sidearm are massive drawbacks. If I had a respec I'd probably get out of logi and into assault.

2. Not really. When you get a duvolle/SCR that do OMGWTFBBQ damage, you rarely need a sidearm.
They get massively more eHP, more regen on armor, AND in addition get 4 equipment.
How is that NOT OP?

A lot of my deaths are due to lack of sidearm. Against one or even two opponents it is usually unnecessary, but against multiples you get to the point where a logi needs to reload, and no amount of HP is going to save you. I'd happily give up two slots plus CPU/PG to get a sidearm on my logi.


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Rei Shepard Spectre II 994	Posted - 2013.11.16 15:09:00 - [1] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Cat Merc wrote: In response to this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121624 If armor gets nerfed because Gallente logi is ridiculous, I will have a litter of kittens, send them to the CCP Shanghai office, and make them poop on the entire office. No, the Gallente assault isn't the best suit, and armor isn't the best tank, if you actually do the math, Caldari assault comes out on top. (Psst, try putting a CPU extender in the low slot, see what happens) Not to mention that the current meta is anti shield weapons (SCR and AR). The problem is logis. Logis get inherent 5hp/s (Which is huge, that's like a free complex module), can get ridiculos eHP compared to the assault AND fit 3x complex damage mods AND get equipment. So all of you people who say "lolno, armor is the best cuz dmods and stuffz", my Gallente assault barely has any tank if I try to use damage mods. 6.25 hp/s and 441 armor anyone? Armor was just buffed after months of being useless, all it got was +20HP and slightly less speed penalty. Go F*** yourself if you don't like it. 1. I agree, armour is not OP. Shields get fast regen, no need for repper, no movement penalty, and resistance versus the constant core locus spam. I think shields versus armour is quite well balanced right now. 2. For the thousandth time, logis are not OP. Lower movement speed and lack of sidearm are massive drawbacks. If I had a respec I'd probably get out of logi and into assault. 2. Not really. When you get a duvolle/SCR that do OMGWTFBBQ damage, you rarely need a sidearm. They get massively more eHP, more regen on armor, AND in addition get 4 equipment. How is that NOT OP? A lot of my deaths are due to lack of sidearm. Against one or even two opponents it is usually unnecessary, but against multiples you get to the point where a logi needs to reload, and no amount of HP is going to save you. I'd happily give up two slots plus CPU/PG to get a sidearm on my logi. How about you get an Assault suit instead ? Because like you frase it, after killing numerous enemies, you get killed ....ONLY because you run out of bullets in the gun ... Don't get me wrong i do the same you do using an Assault suit, but you know ...i am using an Assault suit ...i dont ussually die because i run out of bullets, i die because i get creamed by a Logi with 300 EHP more then me and he has additional damage mods on it, and more utility then me after he has killed me, he will sweep the area with a scanner, drop a proto hive or 2 and be on his merry way... Me and my assault suit after i go trough a pack of 4-6 red berries, is in bad shape and i either have to sacirfice being able to repair myself or use a scanner to see if theres a 7 the guy straggling along. If i use the Scanner setup, i now know theres a Full EHP dude heading towards me and ill still be at low armor/shields when he gets to me, or i take hives and he ambushes me in the btt... Either way ill be *****, but with a Mac Guyver suit, no worries ....lemme put down some Remote Explosives ....and blow the dude to hell...while i repair my seit ... Assault Suits, i only use em because my sense of honor doesnt allow me to run Logistics 24/7. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rei Shepard Spectre II 995	Posted - 2013.11.16 16:32:00 - [2] - Quote Quote: You make plenty of valid points. I certainly do appreciate the HP advantage and flexibility logis have, but I'm just saying there are drawbacks as well. The problem is that the drawbacks arent severe enough, not to run them 24/7 the movement speed and stamina issue is only troublesome at the start of the game and most of the time when i make a suit, my Assault Suit ends up being slower then the logi, most of the time this is a negligible amount. If the drawbacks would be so severe it would put using a logi to assault with at a disadvantage, you would not be seeing any slayers in a logi suit at all. If you or I meet a same skilled wise person on the field, but he has 1 more damage mod and 200 EHP more then the one using the assault suit, every 1 vs 1 with the guy will end in defeat, and you need to start relying on Luck to catch him offguard, but GL doing that when he got a scanner, and when you need 2 people to counter 1 other, its the same deal as with tanks. Also all Logi suits receive 1 additional low slot, over their already rediculous succulent slot layouts, an assault suit HAS to sacrifice a slot for a repper and we already got so few slots, while the Logi gets a very meaty slot layout + bonus free complex slot, while having a CPU & PG out of the wazoo. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rei Shepard Spectre II 995	Posted - 2013.11.16 16:33:00 - [3] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Would swapping the Light Weapon slot for a Sidearm Weapon put the Logi in its place? Instead of doing all of this other stuff that would run CCP in circles, why not force them into a support role, as intended, but still allow them to sufficiently defend themselves? I GalLogi (sometimes.) I would not have a problem with this. Sidearm only Gëá sufficient self defences. Your Assault suits should be protecting you at the front while you do your job in the back, not the way around. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"