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KatanaPT
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.15 10:38:00 -
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Just found this on youtube, hats to Corby for filming this.
The Video is not mine nor do i have anything to do with it, so kudos to original poster and its creator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzISdIq-JYQ
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Necandi Brasil
DUST BRASIL S.A
Covert Intervention
435
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Posted - 2013.11.15 10:41:00 -
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That explains a LOT !
A DUST BRASIL S.A precisa de você ! Junte-se a nós !
Hey CCP, give me PvE!
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
771
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Posted - 2013.11.15 10:42:00 -
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Yeah, I think there's quite a few of us that suspected as much. It explains a lot, actually, of what's been happening lately. +1 for you for posting.
If you think Plasma Rifles take skill to use and are fine as they are, you are the problem.
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Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
956
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Posted - 2013.11.15 10:43:00 -
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I'm laughing but i'm not surprised.
You still have more work to do, CCP. |
Eversor Beercase
Beer For Evil Mercs
82
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Posted - 2013.11.15 10:44:00 -
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How about those tactical snipers who shoot 2-3 bullets simultaneously. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2013.11.15 10:46:00 -
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Considering how a turbo controller works this should not surprise anyone. What a turbo controler does is tapping a button pretty fast (faster than any human) and with every tap you reset the recoil most automatic weapons in Dust (this is by Design). |
KatanaPT
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
360
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Posted - 2013.11.15 10:48:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:I'm laughing but i'm not surprised.
You still have more work to do, CCP.
To be completly honest i tought this was solved with all the TAC issues from the past, but seeing as this video is rather new, this will explain lots of things...
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Eversor Beercase
Beer For Evil Mercs
84
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Posted - 2013.11.15 10:54:00 -
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On a side note, it seems like we've got the three banes of FPS on our hands: "wallhack" in the form of active scanners, "aimbot" in the form of aim assist and "no recoil" in the form of turbo controllers. Two of which are actual features of the game and the third one you can buy from stores.
At least there's the plasma cannon. |
boba's fetta
Operation Clone Shield
116
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:12:00 -
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this relly does explain the insta melting going on. |
KatanaPT
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:17:00 -
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boba's fetta wrote:this relly does explain the insta melting going on.
human pi+¦ata!
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Kovinis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:18:00 -
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I hope CCP will response that they saw this
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George Moros
Area 514
174
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:20:00 -
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This can be resolved quite easily and painlessly. Simply put a limit on how soon after trigger is released it can be activated again. Something like half a second would seem OK to me. It wouldn't impede in any practical use of the AR (or any other full-auto weapon), yet it would drop the effective RoF of the AR using this exploit to 120 RPM, which is a severe penalty. Anyone trying to exploit this "turbo fire" would think twice before using it. |
Sleepy Shadow
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
82
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:36:00 -
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Wow. That certainly does explain a lot.
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Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:39:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Considering how a turbo controller works this should not surprise anyone. What a turbo controler does is tapping a button pretty fast (faster than any human) and with every tap you reset the recoil of most automatic weapons in Dust (this is by Design).
Or maybe it needs to be a rate based off shots fired and not inputs pressed.
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Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
2172
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:40:00 -
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Kovinis Sparagas wrote:I hope CCP will response that they saw this
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Spirolito
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
2
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:46:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8X7qUXaqS8
Is this normal? I dont know this gun but iI think this is another example of that. Correct me if im mistaken. At minute 8 he kills a Heavy like he was nothing. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2805
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:09:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Considering how a turbo controller works this should not surprise anyone. What a turbo controler does is tapping a button pretty fast (faster than any human) and with every tap you reset the recoil of most automatic weapons in Dust (this is by Design). Or maybe it needs to be a rate based off shots fired and not inputs pressed. hmm
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
930
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:12:00 -
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You should see how OP the ASCR is..... with turbo....
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
330
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:13:00 -
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How it is time for name calling all the turbo users!
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Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
2176
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:16:00 -
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The other obvious problem with this is how it affects balance decisions
How is CCP going to be able to tell if a gun is over or under-preforming when their data does not also include who is using a controller that breaks the mechanics of the gun.
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
332
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:18:00 -
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You can easily code recoil, which works for normal controllers and turbo fire controllers, by not correlating recoil with input, but with fire. |
KatanaPT
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
366
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:19:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:The other obvious problem with this is how it affects balance decisions
How is CCP going to be able to tell if a gun is over or under-preforming when their data does not also include who is using a controller that breaks the mechanics of the gun.
So true.
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Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
2176
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:21:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:You can easily code recoil, which works for normal controllers and turbo fire controllers, by not correlating recoil with input, but with fire.
aye aye capt'n
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
213
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:21:00 -
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Yes and sadly there are only very few weapons that do not benefit from turbo controllers :/ |
Robert JD Niewiadomski
NULLIMPEX INC
709
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:23:00 -
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There are only two solutions to this:
1) CCP installs cooldown timers on triggers for all weapons
2) everybody should get their hands on turbo pads 
F.E.A.R. stands for False Expectations Assumed Real
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
930
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:27:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:How it is time for name calling all the turbo users!
Edit: Maphia Clan first
Oh, well, I'm glad you think we use turbo controllers, but no. No way.
Here's a hint: never trust Scrambler Rifle users.
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Corbina Ninja
Maphia Clan Corporation
315
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:32:00 -
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The video is mine ^^
thank you
is my first video. I bought the recorder recently
@daishi mk03
If I wanted to take advantage of this bug I would not have posted the video to report it
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
930
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:35:00 -
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Corbina Ninja wrote:The video is mine ^^ thank you is my first video. I bought the recorder recently @daishi mk03 If I wanted to take advantage of this bug I would not have posted the video to report it
And , of course, you did that because you're an unstoppable force of love and rainbows like me, am I right? n.n
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
947
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:36:00 -
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Spirolito wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8X7qUXaqS8
Is this normal? I dont know this gun but iI think this is another example of that. Correct me if im mistaken. At minute 8 he kills a Heavy like he was nothing.
IDK if it's a turbo controller or fast mouse triggering, but TT scr is really a badass weapon, probabily carthum assault scr pistol is the best weapon in game.
"Just another piece of duct tape"
Some love for gunners
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
197
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:38:00 -
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OP and person that record this - thank you for doing it.
Spirolito wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8X7qUXaqS8
Is this normal? I dont know this gun but iI think this is another example of that. Correct me if im mistaken. At minute 8 he kills a Heavy like he was nothing.
Scrambel Pistol have 450% dmg for headshot, he could kill that heavy in much less shooting.
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KatanaPT
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
369
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:44:00 -
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Corbina Ninja wrote:The video is mine ^^ thank you is my first video. I bought the recorder recently @daishi mk03 If I wanted to take advantage of this bug I would not have posted the video to report it
Thank you Corbina, i hope you dont mind me posting this and i applaud you coming foward with it.
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Spaceman-Rob
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
237
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:50:00 -
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Funny as **** that an m clan member steps forward claiming not to use it, then another steps forward claiming to have made the video. Where there's a will to cheat, there's a way, not much ccp can do about it unfortunately. |
axis alpha
Red Star.
EoN.
78
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:52:00 -
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Yeah Ican tell when desperate red dots spray me down with a std aslt rifle.... can totally tell.
The best part of waking up,
is whiskey in my cuuuuup!
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IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University
Ivy League
378
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:53:00 -
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CCP responded that they are aware and will deploy a fix in 1.7
They will not say whether they will hot fix it or not.
Maybe they are TRYING to get more people into the ScR? |
calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
950
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:01:00 -
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Eversor Beercase wrote:How about those tactical snipers who shoot 2-3 bullets simultaneously.
Hey I can do that with a KAAL and do not use a MOD. After seeing that video that explains how a militia rifle was able to kill me faster than a Duvolle. This is proof of the ever growing BS. If it takes you to cheat to win, than that is sad. You fooling no one but yourself, you have no skills and should stick to Little big planet Karting.
Do not eat the yellow snow
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
930
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:28:00 -
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Spaceman-Rob wrote:Funny as **** that an m clan member steps forward claiming not to use it, then another steps forward claiming to have made the video.
...and? Listen, on EU Server it's almost every time Maphia against Maphia, and I too have a FragFx, allowing to use turbo fire. How would my own teammates consider me if I cheat? And even worse against them? Moreover, nobody except me and corbina actually own a turbo controller / mouse, and we both just don't use it. It's been a year now, since I'm telling ccp to fix this, and if you care, go check out the bugs section back in 2012. It's a known issue between closed beta vets. Next time just be thankful that someone finally lets you know why sometimes you suddenly die.
Admittedly, You can't say I am a turbo controller user, simply because I use LR :p
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:32:00 -
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Also, does anyone notice how the AR has 0 recoil/dispersion for the first 30 rounds? You don't need a modded controller for that, you just have to let go of the trigger every 30 rounds.
This is the real problem.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
514
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:36:00 -
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There are two ways of getting this fixed:
1. Tell CCP that the mechanic is broken
2. Make a lot of people abuse it to the max. Goonswarm style.
I prefer if we could get #2 going! That will make CCP fix the problem faster.
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
930
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:36:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Also, does anyone notice how the AR has 0 recoil/dispersion for the first 30 rounds? You don't need a modded controller for that, you just have to let go of the trigger every 30 rounds.
This is the real problem.
Exactly, and I think Corby should have made a vid with the AScR to show its OPness with TurboFire controllers
- An unstoppable force of Rainbows.
- First love-quitter in the history of video games.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
930
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:37:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:There are two ways of getting this fixed:
1. Tell CCP that the mechanic is broken
2. Make a lot of people abuse it to the max. Goonswarm style.
I prefer if we could get #2 going! That will make CCP fix the problem faster.
*whisper*ppppst hey, I already gave a hint to find Turbo users n.n
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
333
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:42:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:You can easily code recoil, which works for normal controllers and turbo fire controllers, by not correlating recoil with input, but with fire. aye aye capt'n
You think I'm joking? Recoil builds up 5% of max recoil each shot. Recoil resets after 0.5 sec without shooting your weapon. Easy.
I think there are specially designed Maphia Corp Controllers for PS3 with Turbo Buttons. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
903
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:51:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:You think I'm joking? Recoil builds up 5% of max recoil each shot. Recoil resets after 0.5 sec without shooting your weapon. Easy.
I think there are specially designed Maphia Corp Controllers for PS3 with Turbo Buttons.
You don't reset, you add the recoil and keep it flat for as long as it would take to fire a new shot, then start gradually reducing the recoil.
0.5 seconds does sound too fast to go to zero however. |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
802
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:05:00 -
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now make a modded controller video with ScrR or AScrR  |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
333
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:06:00 -
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I just wrote down fantasy numbers ... time to reset recoil should also be different on different weapons.
I just want to post an example, that you can fix this **** with turbo controllers EASILY. |
SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
517
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:13:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Considering how a turbo controller works this should not surprise anyone. What a turbo controler does is tapping a button pretty fast (faster than any human) and with every tap you reset the recoil of most automatic weapons in Dust (this is by Design).
proof: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1141672
and then here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1183154#post1183154
tldr; terrible design
"Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)"
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:18:00 -
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You get the exact same result when you tap the R1 button like every 20 bullets. Waste of money to buy a modded pad just for that.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
174
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:19:00 -
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Hey guys.
Thanks for pulling this together. The issues been escalated and I've passed on the video. Whether or not it's working as "mechanically intended" I can't comment on yet, but will try to get a response for you when I know more.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
333
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:30:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Hey guys.
Thanks for pulling this together. The issues been escalated and I've passed on the video. Whether or not it's working as "mechanically intended" I can't comment on yet, but will try to get a response for you when I know more.
Could you please tell everybody, that it is no problem to implement recoil, which can't be bypassed by turbo controllers? Thanks. Many people think it is impossible. |
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
177
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:40:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Hey guys.
Thanks for pulling this together. The issues been escalated and I've passed on the video. Whether or not it's working as "mechanically intended" I can't comment on yet, but will try to get a response for you when I know more. Could you please tell everybody, that it is no problem to implement recoil, which can't be bypassed by turbo controllers? Thanks. Many people think it is impossible.
I'd honestly rather not comment (probably because I'd be wrong) and would rather have the design guys take a look. :)
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager
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Zatara Rought
Imperfects
1669
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:47:00 -
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It seems obvious between the 2 different types that the modded was simply putting a small amount of time between certain portions of the clip in order to negate the recoil...however this did seem to translate into a slightly longer time to unload the clip.
That's Master nader to you scrub.
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Keri Starlight
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
2045
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:48:00 -
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Spirolito wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8X7qUXaqS8
Is this normal? I dont know this gun but iI think this is another example of that. Correct me if im mistaken. At minute 8 he kills a Heavy like he was nothing.
I can tap that fast with my finger and an original Sony controller. That in the video is some extremely good accuracy, though.
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KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
390
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:49:00 -
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This really sucks for those of us who tap fire legit.
CCP needs to find a solution that can fix this for ALL weapons.
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OSGR Valdez
TeamPlayers
144
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:52:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:It seems obvious between the 2 different types that the modded was simply putting a small amount of time between certain portions of the clip in order to negate the recoil...however this did seem to translate into a slightly longer time to unload the clip.
Yeah, literally anyone can do what that modded controller did. |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
390
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Posted - 2013.11.15 15:03:00 -
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There was a thread awhile back about this, someone also said it works for the HMG (idk how tho)
Anyway, the accuracy and tapping is BY DESIGN
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Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
958
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Posted - 2013.11.15 15:04:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Hey guys.
Thanks for pulling this together. The issues been escalated and I've passed on the video. Whether or not it's working as "mechanically intended" I can't comment on yet, but will try to get a response for you when I know more.
On Topic: Thanks for looking into this.
Off Topic: I've killed you and Frame both with my Heretic-Cleansing-Final-Solution-Imperial-Laser-Beams-of-God-Scrambler-Rifle :) |
Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
960
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Posted - 2013.11.15 15:47:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:You should see how OP the ASCR is..... with turbo....
Dispersion.
/argument
The only thing that balances the Ascr vs the AR is the damage per bullet. If the damage per bullet were to be equal, than the AR would win by an even wider margin.
AR>Ascr (in most situations, however the margins are still small)
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GTA V FTW
186
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Posted - 2013.11.15 15:55:00 -
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LOL yet another old Dev epic failure only now being looked at by the Devs due to video proof.
CCP = FPS noobs
Meh, broke game will always be broke.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
314
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:16:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Spirolito wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8X7qUXaqS8
Is this normal? I dont know this gun but iI think this is another example of that. Correct me if im mistaken. At minute 8 he kills a Heavy like he was nothing. I can tap that fast with my finger and an original Sony controller. That in the video is some extremely good accuracy, though.
Fast taping a mouse or a controller will create a RL recoil as your hand muscles flex. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe PC
RISE of LEGION
1933
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:22:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Spirolito wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8X7qUXaqS8
Is this normal? I dont know this gun but iI think this is another example of that. Correct me if im mistaken. At minute 8 he kills a Heavy like he was nothing. I can tap that fast with my finger and an original Sony controller. That in the video is some extremely good accuracy, though. Fast taping a mouse or a controller will create a RL recoil as your hand muscles flex.
No ****, I mean I am sure I can get in a position to push a button really fast but I won't be hitting anything with it.
What's funny about all this is I heard similar responses when everyone was using modded controllers with the TAC ARs.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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KatanaPT
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
376
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:29:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Spirolito wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8X7qUXaqS8
Is this normal? I dont know this gun but iI think this is another example of that. Correct me if im mistaken. At minute 8 he kills a Heavy like he was nothing. I can tap that fast with my finger and an original Sony controller. That in the video is some extremely good accuracy, though. Fast taping a mouse or a controller will create a RL recoil as your hand muscles flex.
Not to mention Carpal tunnel...
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Knight Soiaire
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:40:00 -
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I can imagine a lot of people rushing out to buy a turbo-controller, after this.
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
693
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:41:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:I can imagine a lot people rushing out to buy a turbo-controller, after this.
Don't worry! CCP will release a patch to stop them... in about six months.
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
1292
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:50:00 -
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Honestly never even thought about that I know a lot of cod players use those controllers...so this whole time we call something op
It could be some nerd with a modded controller to make 100% accurate headshots
I'm everyone's type
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GTA V FTW
187
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:51:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:I can imagine a lot of people rushing out to buy a turbo-controller, after this.
You have to be a very sad pathetic uber l33t trihard neck beard to run out and get a modded controller for this lol F2P lobby FPS.
CCP = FPS noobs
Meh, broke game will always be broke.
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Jak'Saan
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
92
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:59:00 -
[65] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Hey guys.
Thanks for pulling this together. The issues been escalated and I've passed on the video. Whether or not it's working as "mechanically intended" I can't comment on yet, but will try to get a response for you when I know more. Could you please tell everybody, that it is no problem to implement recoil, which can't be bypassed by turbo controllers? Thanks. Many people think it is impossible. I'd honestly rather not comment (probably because I'd be wrong) and would rather have the design guys take a look. :)
As a senior software engineer, I can confirm that it would not be impossible. The logic is simple: You fire a round (yes even one) your gun recoils. the next shot does the same, so on and so forth. what you are seeing is the result of no recoil on the first shot. Silly. This means your first shot is a freebie which is not realistic. This bug also appears on SMG. if you want to test it, instead of holding down your trigger, pump the trigger. No recoil. Silly.
This probably applies to most spray and pray weapons and was probably implemented to mask horrible HD. Now that HD is amazing, this is one more ban-aid ready to come off, that is covering up some faded soggy skin which is ripe with poor development practices. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfect Bastards
1648
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:11:00 -
[66] - Quote
This game is bad.
Bittervet Proficiency V
thanks logibro!
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GTA V FTW
188
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:11:00 -
[67] - Quote
Paran Tadec wrote:This game is bad.
Yep.
CCP = FPS noobs
Meh, broke game will always be broke.
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
1292
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:15:00 -
[68] - Quote
Paran Tadec wrote:This game is bad.
Ps4 when I get home
I'm everyone's type
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Spirolito
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
5
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:23:00 -
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GTA V FTW wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:This game is bad. Yep.
This game isn't bad, it has evolved a lot and will continue to do so with the help and feedback of players. Its a F2P shooter, dont forget that. I see sometimes people comparing it to shooters that have budgets of millions and i dont think thats fair. If you dont like it, dont play it. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfect Bastards
1648
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:27:00 -
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Spirolito wrote:GTA V FTW wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:This game is bad. Yep. This game isn't bad, it has evolved a lot and will continue to do so with the help and feedback of players. Its a F2P shooter, dont forget that. I see sometimes people comparing it to shooters that have budgets of millions and i dont think thats fair. If you dont like it, dont play it.
And the apologists roll in
Bittervet Proficiency V
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GTA V FTW
189
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:34:00 -
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Spirolito wrote:GTA V FTW wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:This game is bad. Yep. This game isn't bad, it has evolved a lot and will continue to do so with the help and feedback of players. Its a F2P shooter, dont forget that. I see sometimes people comparing it to shooters that have budgets of millions and i dont think thats fair. If you dont like it, dont play it.
Dude this game is bad even for a F2P game.
Broke core mechanics that have been industry standard for years = bad broke F2P game
CCP = FPS noobs
Meh, broke game will always be broke.
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Paran Tadec
Imperfect Bastards
1649
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:38:00 -
[72] - Quote
Picard wants to know why the **** mas driver doesn't work the same way, cause we all know then the ttk for the mas driver would be as low as it is for the assault and scrambler.
Bittervet Proficiency V
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Cosgar
ParagonX
7794
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:46:00 -
[73] - Quote
Paran Tadec wrote:Picard wants to know why the **** mas driver doesn't work the same way, cause we all know then the ttk for the mas driver would be as low as it is for the assault and scrambler.
They hot fixed the sprint/fire glitch for the MD and shotgun almost overnight. Let's see how "fast" this gets fixed when even devs are saying this is "by design" whether to save face or due to inexperience.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Jak'Saan
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
93
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:57:00 -
[74] - Quote
Cosgar wrote:
They hot fixed the sprint/fire glitch for the MD and shotgun almost overnight. Let's see how "fast" this gets fixed when even devs are saying this is "by design" whether to save face or due to inexperience.
Don't hold your breath. The majority of their "clients" are AR . The big portion of the money comes from them. If they fix this bug, if they fix the OP-ness of AR, there will be a mass flooding of AR tears. This means less AR money. CCP's hands are tied: hold true to the nature of diversity that is Dust 514 and feel the wrath of the majority of their clients or appease the masses and make money to pay their devs... As "wrong" as it is to sell out to the almighty dollar, There would be no Dust 514 if the devs don't get paid. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfect Bastards
1652
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:58:00 -
[75] - Quote
Jak'Saan wrote:Cosgar wrote:
They hot fixed the sprint/fire glitch for the MD and shotgun almost overnight. Let's see how "fast" this gets fixed when even devs are saying this is "by design" whether to save face or due to inexperience.
Don't hold your breath. The majority of their "clients" are AR . The big portion of the money comes from them. If they fix this bug, if they fix the OP-ness of AR, there will be a mass flooding of AR tears. This means less AR money. CCP's hands are tied: hold true to the nature of diversity that is Dust 514 and feel the wrath of the majority of their clients or appease the masses and make money to pay their devs... As "wrong" as it is to sell out to the almighty dollar, There would be no Dust 514 if the devs don't get paid.
They already get paid with eve money.
Bittervet Proficiency V
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Green Living
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
981
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Posted - 2013.11.15 18:06:00 -
[76] - Quote
How do I go about getting a turbo controller? I want to use it for testing purposes only of course. |
Jak'Saan
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
93
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Posted - 2013.11.15 18:08:00 -
[77] - Quote
Paran Tadec wrote:Jak'Saan wrote:Cosgar wrote:
They hot fixed the sprint/fire glitch for the MD and shotgun almost overnight. Let's see how "fast" this gets fixed when even devs are saying this is "by design" whether to save face or due to inexperience.
Don't hold your breath. The majority of their "clients" are AR . The big portion of the money comes from them. If they fix this bug, if they fix the OP-ness of AR, there will be a mass flooding of AR tears. This means less AR money. CCP's hands are tied: hold true to the nature of diversity that is Dust 514 and feel the wrath of the majority of their clients or appease the masses and make money to pay their devs... As "wrong" as it is to sell out to the almighty dollar, There would be no Dust 514 if the devs don't get paid. They already get paid with eve money.
How confident about that are you? And even if that is true, a business can only survive off the profit of a sibling/parent for so long until someone decides it is just a money drain. Either way, Dust MUST eventually become self-sufficient if it is to continue. Thank the AR community for making this possible. The rest of us either need to "HTFU" as CCP says or else go pay for a game that is not dependent on Pay-As-You-Go income. While you may spend more money on those in one shot, there is no need to suck up to only one type of player.
It's funny I was just playing Mass-Effect 2 as a shotgunner (I'm picking up all the games I have put aside again). the idea of shotgunning in that game is lots of HP and Melee damage, instant distance closing and high DPS. in fact all the weapons are so perfectly balanced! No sucking up to AR players needed because you buy the game and then move on. |
Ten-Sidhe
541
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Posted - 2013.11.15 18:18:00 -
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Put a delay on full auto that stop firing and start.
Most turbocontroller fire 900 rpm. If delay between burst is set to say, 290. Game ignores trigger pulls till rate cool down to next allowed pull is over, so first 3 shots are ignored and forth is excepted. This would cut an AR rate of fire from 750 to 187.5 when turbo controller is starting and stopping the fire after every shot. This would render turbo useless and not affect normal use.
For semi auto, some can pull the trigger that fast, but the pulls are not identical. So, if length of time between trigger pulls and duration of presses was measured the two can be told appart. If 2 or 3 identical pulls are in a row, the gun ignores the pull. A fast finger will still fire since the trigger pulls are each slightly faster or slower then the last one. This could be bypassed with a random inte offset added to controller output, but that would require a custom controller with micro processor made specificly for dust.
Forum Alt of Sophia Borjia, Press secretary of Hellstorm, League of Infamy
EvE mains 10sidhe and Sophia Borgia
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Cosgar
ParagonX
7795
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Posted - 2013.11.15 18:26:00 -
[79] - Quote
Jak'Saan wrote:Cosgar wrote:
They hot fixed the sprint/fire glitch for the MD and shotgun almost overnight. Let's see how "fast" this gets fixed when even devs are saying this is "by design" whether to save face or due to inexperience.
Don't hold your breath. The majority of their "clients" are AR . The big portion of the money comes from them. If they fix this bug, if they fix the OP-ness of AR, there will be a mass flooding of AR tears. This means less AR money. CCP's hands are tied: hold true to the nature of diversity that is Dust 514 and feel the wrath of the majority of their clients or appease the masses and make money to pay their devs... As "wrong" as it is to sell out to the almighty dollar, There would be no Dust 514 if the devs don't get paid.
I hope the devs are still reading this. This is how our community thinks you balance things. Prove us wrong.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Jak'Saan
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
94
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Posted - 2013.11.15 18:40:00 -
[80] - Quote
Cosgar wrote:Jak'Saan wrote:Cosgar wrote:
They hot fixed the sprint/fire glitch for the MD and shotgun almost overnight. Let's see how "fast" this gets fixed when even devs are saying this is "by design" whether to save face or due to inexperience.
Don't hold your breath. The majority of their "clients" are AR . The big portion of the money comes from them. If they fix this bug, if they fix the OP-ness of AR, there will be a mass flooding of AR tears. This means less AR money. CCP's hands are tied: hold true to the nature of diversity that is Dust 514 and feel the wrath of the majority of their clients or appease the masses and make money to pay their devs... As "wrong" as it is to sell out to the almighty dollar, There would be no Dust 514 if the devs don't get paid. I hope the devs are still reading this. This is how our community thinks you balance things. Prove us wrong.
I haven't seen any Devs replying to negativity/realism... It's unfortunate because I have a lot of questions that I would appreciate answers to but they come off as being negative and as such go unseen by the devs. I've never once had a dev reply. Probably cause I am a scout shogunner/NKer. Devs hate scouts. |
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lDocHollidayl
Ancient Exiles.
345
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Posted - 2013.11.15 18:50:00 -
[81] - Quote
Eversor Beercase wrote:On a side note, it seems like we've got the three banes of FPS on our hands: "wallhack" in the form of active scanners, "aimbot" in the form of aim assist and "no recoil" in the form of turbo controllers. Two of which are actual features of the game and the third one you can buy from stores.
At least there's the plasma cannon.
Devs if you are still listening here is a BIG issue. The overheat on the ScR can be glitched by the kneel sprint glitch , the scanner can be glitched so it runs the whole time while the AR is out...aim assist is what it is and I do not mind. But this "glitches" are becoming increasing more popular and game breaking. Currently we do not need anymore reasons to give new players to give up on Dust.
Me thinks TTK issues may have links to this stuff. |
Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
1295
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Posted - 2013.11.15 18:57:00 -
[82] - Quote
lDocHollidayl wrote:Eversor Beercase wrote:On a side note, it seems like we've got the three banes of FPS on our hands: "wallhack" in the form of active scanners, "aimbot" in the form of aim assist and "no recoil" in the form of turbo controllers. Two of which are actual features of the game and the third one you can buy from stores.
At least there's the plasma cannon. Devs if you are still listening here is a BIG issue. The overheat on the ScR can be glitched by the kneel sprint glitch , the scanner can be glitched so it runs the whole time while the AR is out...aim assist is what it is and I do not mind. But this "glitches" are becoming increasing more popular and game breaking. Currently we do not need anymore reasons to give new players to give up on Dust. Me thinks TTK issues may have links to this stuff.
Someone post something about scanners in feedback so I told them how its being abused...its in their hands now I agree both are ruining the game
I'm everyone's type
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Jak'Saan
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
94
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Posted - 2013.11.15 18:58:00 -
[83] - Quote
lDocHollidayl wrote:Currently we do not need anymore reasons to give new players to give up on Dust.
Or vets for that matter... |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
1224
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Posted - 2013.11.15 19:01:00 -
[84] - Quote
guess i'll be buying a turbo controller.
I need a 4th and their hasn't been a single time in this games history where a turbo controller hasn't given an unfair advantage.
can't beat them, join them. |
Rahl Draak
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2013.11.15 19:02:00 -
[85] - Quote
It's almost like aim assist (gasp) has been the overarching balance problem all along! What to do????? |
CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation
475
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Posted - 2013.11.15 19:13:00 -
[86] - Quote
make turbo controllers illegal?
or incompatible with the game through some sort of devious coding system?... |
Jak'Saan
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
95
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Posted - 2013.11.15 19:17:00 -
[87] - Quote
CLONE117 wrote:make turbo controllers illegal?
or incompatible with the game through some sort of devious coding system?...
Yeah... cause CCP excels at coding... |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles.
2981
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Posted - 2013.11.15 19:19:00 -
[88] - Quote
Wow this showcases a really bad gltich lol. But in my eyes... The worst part of this is when you see that there is no recoil for the first 30 shots!!!!
I mean like WTF IS THAT! That's the true problem with the ARs. No recoil or dispersion automatic weapons.. SMH!
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Keeriam Miray
R 0 N 1 N
94
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Posted - 2013.11.15 23:57:00 -
[89] - Quote
For goodness sake add SWAY for ALL weapons that also interacts with recoil, it will make hard to snipe on optimal & nearly impossible on max distances. You will need to fight that sway by you own aiming skills.
I can agree in some way that future energy weapons possibly may have not any recoil\kick on them... but sway.
* FG sniping fixed
* AR sniping fixed
* etc...
Only weapon that have initial sway is sniper rifle & making it looks silly on FGs & ARs background.
That CCP's "by design" is hilarious & inexcusably incompetent already. If you trying to make CoD like AR514, just did it already, remove everything exept ARs & assault suits... damn.
So big, so angry, so dead...
Don't run. You'll only die tired.
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dogmanpig
black market bank
44
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Posted - 2013.11.16 00:29:00 -
[90] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Hey guys.
Thanks for pulling this together. The issues been escalated and I've passed on the video. Whether or not it's working as "mechanically intended" I can't comment on yet, but will try to get a response for you when I know more.
it is intended because there is no first shoot multiple for recoil or the second or third or the 20th shot
in case you don't get it, i'll drop a clip of BF3 so you can get an idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8875rtfDz8
the AR doesn't start getting recoil till around 30 shots which makes null sense.
if you can handle a weapon and get no recoil you don't start getting it half way into the clip because the rounds. the first shot of any full auto weapon is the worse.
You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way.
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Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
254
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Posted - 2013.11.16 00:45:00 -
[91] - Quote
??? Not difficult at all to do with another device, known as a finger. The process is simple, press the fire button, and immediately take your finger off the fire button. Repeat as fast as possible.
Seriously, I was trying to figure out what this post was all about. I guess i'm one of the few people who doesn't just hold down the fire button (I know that is not the case). Pretty much every game ever made with an automatic weapon sends bullet dispersion and barrel movement through the roof if you just hold the fire button. A "Turbo Fire Controller" is not needed what so ever for this, as most people have been training this technique since the very first shooter they ever played.
Granted, my targeting reticule does jump a little.......of course other than my AR Operation, all my other AR skills are at 2. And i'm not saying the AR is not OP and broken at the moment, TTK is out of hand. Not sure what people think they have found in this video, but whatever it is, they are mistaken. |
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
204
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Posted - 2013.11.16 06:03:00 -
[92] - Quote
Cosgar wrote:
I hope the devs are still reading this. This is how our community thinks you balance things. Prove us wrong.
Hey Cosgar.
Of course we're still reading this :) We generally crawl through most of the stuff on the forums.
Some of the things that people post simply aren't true. While I don't want to comment on any case specifically, I will say that we don't shun away from fixing issues/making balance changes because we feel the need to appease a specific subset of players.
There are several classes of Dropsuits/Weapons/etc in the game for a reason, and we're constantly looking to make improvements and adjustments.
Hope that provides some of the clarity you were looking for.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
204
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Posted - 2013.11.16 06:06:00 -
[93] - Quote
Protocake JR wrote:On Topic: Thanks for looking into this.
Off Topic: I've killed you and Frame both with my Heretic-Cleansing-Final-Solution-Imperial-Laser-Beams-of-God-Scrambler-Rifle :)
Damn youuuuuuu. We'll have an opportunity to get even soon. ;)
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager
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Koan Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
26
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Posted - 2013.11.16 06:15:00 -
[94] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Hey guys.
Thanks for pulling this together. The issues been escalated and I've passed on the video. Whether or not it's working as "mechanically intended" I can't comment on yet, but will try to get a response for you when I know more.
If your willing to listen on this, I have a solution that used to get me on the game Call of duty world at war. I used to play it quite a bit and I didnt actually use a modded controller, but they had a system put in place where if a weapon cycles its "firing" on and off at too quick of a rate of fire, it locks your gun at a slower rate of fire for the match. I unfortunately did this quite a bit with my rapid fire trigger finger but it worked to drop the modded controllers off the map for a while until they calibrated them to fire at just under the systems penalty point...if this is even understood in such relaxed terms x.x
Two in the head boss?
Two in the head...
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
Renegade Alliance
3782
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Posted - 2013.11.16 06:50:00 -
[95] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Protocake JR wrote:On Topic: Thanks for looking into this.
Off Topic: I've killed you and Frame both with my Heretic-Cleansing-Final-Solution-Imperial-Laser-Beams-of-God-Scrambler-Rifle :) Damn youuuuuuu. We'll have an opportunity to get even soon. ;)
Don't worry Saberwing, I'll back you up =D
ANON Diplomat -//- I Support SP Rollover ^_^
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Cosgar
ParagonX
7802
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Posted - 2013.11.16 07:02:00 -
[96] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Cosgar wrote:
I hope the devs are still reading this. This is how our community thinks you balance things. Prove us wrong.
Hey Cosgar. Of course we're still reading this :) We generally crawl through most of the stuff on the forums. Some of the things that people post simply aren't true. While I don't want to comment on any case specifically, I will say that we don't shun away from fixing issues/making balance changes because we feel the need to appease a specific subset of players. There are several classes of Dropsuits/Weapons/etc in the game for a reason, and we're constantly looking to make improvements and adjustments. Hope that provides some of the clarity you were looking for.
I miss the days when devs used to open a topic saying "Hey guys, I'm working on this, and could really use your feedback on how it should be done." We're never going to see the road map, I get that, but give us some of the checkpoints along the way. I really can't take another Uprising 1.0 for things to get better.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Eldest Dragon
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
370
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Posted - 2013.11.16 07:17:00 -
[97] - Quote
Ty so much for looking into this ccp...i'ts def a problem.
When your playing dust and your frustrated...if all else fails...turn off the ps3 works every time.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
523
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Posted - 2013.11.16 07:24:00 -
[98] - Quote
DJINN Marauder wrote:Wow this showcases a really bad gltich lol. But in my eyes... The worst part of this is when you see that there is no recoil for the first 30 shots!!!!
I mean like WTF IS THAT! That's the true problem with the ARs. No recoil or dispersion automatic weapons.. SMH!
^ Marauder you are smart, can see obvious broken mechanics, why cant everyone else reason like you and me ;(
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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Minako Nakajima
Vortex State Empire
Dark Taboo
31
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Posted - 2013.11.16 08:01:00 -
[99] - Quote
Just do controlled bursts and there you go...
no need for turbo stuff...
"Looks can kill." // Terminally Insane
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Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet
Top Men.
184
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Posted - 2013.11.16 08:35:00 -
[100] - Quote
Minako Nakajima wrote:Just do controlled bursts and there you go...
no need for turbo stuff...
Or get a turbo controller and go full auto without recoil! |
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superjoe360x
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
118
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:46:00 -
[101] - Quote
[quote=daishi mk03]How it is time for name calling all the turbo users!
Edit: Maphia Clan first[/quote
Mr. Kalante Schiffer would be the first to come to my mind. I think that's how you spell his name. |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet
Top Men.
185
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Posted - 2013.11.16 11:06:00 -
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It's not even that shocking. Tank nerds with ridiculous stats got there by abusing the red line. AR nerds with higher than 2 kdr are all abusing turbo controllers. What a surprise.
With that great of an accuracy, who needs auto aim? It's just a cherry on top. |
Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
81
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Posted - 2013.11.16 11:13:00 -
[103] - Quote
wondering why my aim made me feel stupid now makes me realize I'm just stupid cause I don't have a turbo remote.
YAY pay to win does mean everything 
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
81
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Posted - 2013.11.16 11:14:00 -
[104] - Quote
superjoe360x wrote:[quote=daishi mk03]How it is time for name calling all the turbo users!
Edit: Maphia Clan first[/quote
Mr. Kalante Schiffer would be the first to come to my mind. I think that's how you spell his name.
DON'T Start hating on my people pal.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
1376
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Posted - 2013.11.16 11:17:00 -
[105] - Quote
Spectral Clone wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Wow this showcases a really bad gltich lol. But in my eyes... The worst part of this is when you see that there is no recoil for the first 30 shots!!!!
I mean like WTF IS THAT! That's the true problem with the ARs. No recoil or dispersion automatic weapons.. SMH! ^ Marauder you are smart, can see obvious broken mechanics, why cant everyone else reason like you and me ;(
I can! I've made at least 3 different topics on why the AR is bad, and yet someone has to make a video about it to finally get attention.
-_-
Links:
List of Important Topics
I make logistics videos!
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Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet
Top Men.
185
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Posted - 2013.11.16 11:24:00 -
[106] - Quote
I-Shayz-I wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Wow this showcases a really bad gltich lol. But in my eyes... The worst part of this is when you see that there is no recoil for the first 30 shots!!!!
I mean like WTF IS THAT! That's the true problem with the ARs. No recoil or dispersion automatic weapons.. SMH! ^ Marauder you are smart, can see obvious broken mechanics, why cant everyone else reason like you and me ;( I can! I've made at least 3 different topics on why the AR is bad, and yet someone has to make a video about it to finally get attention. -_-
I used to be a guy who said htfu to ar complaints because I use one, am not terrible and I struggle to maintain a 2.0 KDR. Turns out I could be an internet superstar if I just buy this controller off of amazon. I'm not even angry, just disappointed that it took this long for it to come to light. 
No burst fire or feathering manually can do anything resembling what was shown in that video. Drop everything and fix this, ccp. |
Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Grease Spillett wrote:superjoe360x wrote:[quote=daishi mk03]How it is time for name calling all the turbo users!
Edit: Maphia Clan first[/quote
Mr. Kalante Schiffer would be the first to come to my mind. I think that's how you spell his name. DON'T Start hating on my people pal.
DON'T incite hatred amongst everyone else towards you then pal.
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T3chnomanc3r
Silver Skulls
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Posted - 2013.11.16 13:56:00 -
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BS, there's plenty that can be done to detect this & macros, it's simple because the input is well outside "normal" and other titles manage to detect it. While they're at it would be nice if they rethought letting people play entire matches 300ms+ in the past on lag comp.
Spaceman-Rob wrote:Funny as **** that an m clan member steps forward claiming not to use it, then another steps forward claiming to have made the video. Where there's a will to cheat, there's a way, not much ccp can do about it unfortunately.
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2013.11.16 14:10:00 -
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Awesome video... cos like everyone stands perfectly still in a fire fight
Well, some people do, dead people
So how about a video of some realistic gameplay, you know... with movement?  |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.16 14:36:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Awesome video... cos like everyone stands perfectly still in a fire fight Well, some people do, dead people So how about a video of some realistic gameplay, you know... with movement?
................ you want a headshot youtube montage? sigh no recoil is no recoil. which is a major thing... i swear as a FPS player you walk into a twilight zone playing console FPS's... |
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KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.16 14:39:00 -
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if somehow there is a fix for this across all weapons it will be really funny to see ppl who went 30-0 regularly start having "bad days" and being "off"'
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
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Posted - 2013.11.16 14:40:00 -
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Eversor Beercase wrote:On a side note, it seems like we've got the three banes of FPS on our hands: "wallhack" in the form of active scanners, "aimbot" in the form of aim assist and "no recoil" in the form of turbo controllers. Two of which are actual features of the game and the third one you can buy from stores.
At least there's the plasma cannon.
Fiuuuu.... we got lucky there's no OHK weap....oh wait.....
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SHANN da MAN
D3LTA FORC3
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Posted - 2013.11.16 18:15:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Awesome video... cos like everyone stands perfectly still in a fire fight Well, some people do, dead people So how about a video of some realistic gameplay, you know... with movement?
You missed the point of this video entirely ...
It is not a "gameplay" video.
It was set up to demonstrate, under controlled conditions, the effect a turbo controller has on kick and dispersion of fire ... to point out a programming flaw and game exploit/cheat.
nothing to see here ... move along
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Knight Soiaire
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2013.11.16 19:25:00 -
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superjoe360x wrote:[quote=daishi mk03]How it is time for name calling all the turbo users!
Edit: Maphia Clan first[/quote
Mr. Kalante Schiffer would be the first to come to my mind. I think that's how you spell his name.
Unless you've got any hard evidence to prove that Kalante uses a Turbo-Controller, you just sound butthurt.
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edgardo1156
Grupo de Asalto Chacal
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.16 21:01:00 -
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put only the owners of ships and tanks can drive your own vehicle, and can only go up to those members of his squad car, with respect to such light VAL continue as they are. uprising 1.7, |
Grimmiers
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.11.16 22:37:00 -
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I can confirm that rapidly tapping r1 with an assault rifle will have the same effect.
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
75
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:05:00 -
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That poor boy in being shooted in the video looks familiar to me.... Mmmmm... |
Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:46:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:superjoe360x wrote:[quote=daishi mk03]How it is time for name calling all the turbo users!
Edit: Maphia Clan first[/quote
Mr. Kalante Schiffer would be the first to come to my mind. I think that's how you spell his name. Unless you've got any hard evidence to prove that Kalante uses a Turbo-Controller, you just sound butthurt.
I was tempted to use a logical fallacy and say .. prove that he doesn't .. always wanted to say that but being an atheist i'm always on the wrong end of that one xD
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emtbraincase
Falconpunch Hatesurfers
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:58:00 -
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No need for turbo, hack, mod, or whatever in the first place. Same effect can be generated by tapping the fire button repeatedly as if an auto is semi. Thus I could care less what someone does, as long as it doesn't impact how good I am, or am not. |
Minako Nakajima
Vortex State Empire
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2013.11.17 01:32:00 -
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Double tap on Breach AR for "ok" dmg...
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
329
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Posted - 2013.11.17 14:30:00 -
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Karl Marx II wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:superjoe360x wrote:[quote=daishi mk03]How it is time for name calling all the turbo users!
Edit: Maphia Clan first[/quote
Mr. Kalante Schiffer would be the first to come to my mind. I think that's how you spell his name. Unless you've got any hard evidence to prove that Kalante uses a Turbo-Controller, you just sound butthurt. I was tempted to use a logical fallacy and say .. prove that he doesn't .. always wanted to say that but being an atheist i'm always on the wrong end of that one xD
Kalante had all this attention put on him when i was in EON back in the TAR OP day's. I still remember the video Kalante posted to quite everyone up.
Was just a camera pointed at his hands on a DS3 and they look like they are spazzing out as he's hitting the fire button so fast. I'm still laughing thinking about it.(you could see the TV slightly)
It should be like this with semi automatic weapons... the faster you can pull the trigger the more rounds you can put down range. It creates such an immersive experience with the weapon and hooks you from the start.
Turbo controllers have always been an issue in DUST 514, i just hope the fix doesn't hurt everyone again and the legitimacy of semi automatic weapons in the game. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.11.18 20:26:00 -
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Does it really take 3 days to find out that this isn't "mechanically intended?" All I see are people rapidly tapping their ARs now and people die even faster.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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dogmanpig
black market bank
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Posted - 2013.11.20 05:53:00 -
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/pokes a dead dog with a stick
did you guys plan on fixing recoil mechanics
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Jak'Saan
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:47:00 -
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dogmanpig wrote:/pokes a dead dog with a stick
did you guys plan on fixing recoil mechanics
lol gl with that. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.20 19:57:00 -
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only so many patches left before 2.0 :o |
Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
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Posted - 2013.11.20 20:15:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Awesome video... cos like everyone stands perfectly still in a fire fight Well, some people do, dead people So how about a video of some realistic gameplay, you know... with movement?
Are you trolling? The point is that a turbo controller user resets the recoil before it can build, giving them recoiless shots. It doesn't matter if the targets are moving. Nothing matters, except that they have no recoil and everyone else does.
However, one can already do this be simply pulsing the trigger. Obviously, this takes more effort, has a greater impact on RoF and does not mitigate recoil to the same degree. I noticed that the turbo controller, whatever its trigger rate was, lowered the RoF to around 720 RPM. Not that those 30 rounds a minute really matter when you have no recoil.
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Asirius Medaius
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:26:00 -
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Where can I pick up this controller?
Signature coming soonGäó.
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:06:00 -
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Borne Velvalor wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Awesome video... cos like everyone stands perfectly still in a fire fight Well, some people do, dead people So how about a video of some realistic gameplay, you know... with movement? Are you trolling? The point is that a turbo controller user resets the recoil before it can build, giving them recoiless shots. It doesn't matter if the targets are moving. Nothing matters, except that they have no recoil and everyone else does. However, one can already do this be simply pulsing the trigger. Obviously, this takes more effort, has a greater impact on RoF and does not mitigate recoil to the same degree. I noticed that the turbo controller, whatever its trigger rate was, lowered the RoF to around 720 RPM. Not that those 30 rounds a minute really matter when you have no recoil.
Surely then the simplest solution to this 'issue' is......
To remove all recoil from all weapons....
Except snipers and TAC variations |
Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:10:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Borne Velvalor wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Awesome video... cos like everyone stands perfectly still in a fire fight Well, some people do, dead people So how about a video of some realistic gameplay, you know... with movement? Are you trolling? The point is that a turbo controller user resets the recoil before it can build, giving them recoiless shots. It doesn't matter if the targets are moving. Nothing matters, except that they have no recoil and everyone else does. However, one can already do this be simply pulsing the trigger. Obviously, this takes more effort, has a greater impact on RoF and does not mitigate recoil to the same degree. I noticed that the turbo controller, whatever its trigger rate was, lowered the RoF to around 720 RPM. Not that those 30 rounds a minute really matter when you have no recoil. Surely then the simplest solution to this 'issue' is...... To remove all recoil from all weapons.... Except snipers and TAC variations
Absolutely. Only after that can we finally focus on completely removing the need to actively aim.
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:17:00 -
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Borne Velvalor wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Borne Velvalor wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Awesome video... cos like everyone stands perfectly still in a fire fight Well, some people do, dead people So how about a video of some realistic gameplay, you know... with movement? Are you trolling? The point is that a turbo controller user resets the recoil before it can build, giving them recoiless shots. It doesn't matter if the targets are moving. Nothing matters, except that they have no recoil and everyone else does. However, one can already do this be simply pulsing the trigger. Obviously, this takes more effort, has a greater impact on RoF and does not mitigate recoil to the same degree. I noticed that the turbo controller, whatever its trigger rate was, lowered the RoF to around 720 RPM. Not that those 30 rounds a minute really matter when you have no recoil. Surely then the simplest solution to this 'issue' is...... To remove all recoil from all weapons.... Except snipers and TAC variations Absolutely. Only after that can we finally focus on completely removing the need to actively aim.
We've already had that, it was called the flay lock |
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Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:23:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Borne Velvalor wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Borne Velvalor wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Awesome video... cos like everyone stands perfectly still in a fire fight Well, some people do, dead people So how about a video of some realistic gameplay, you know... with movement? Are you trolling? The point is that a turbo controller user resets the recoil before it can build, giving them recoiless shots. It doesn't matter if the targets are moving. Nothing matters, except that they have no recoil and everyone else does. However, one can already do this be simply pulsing the trigger. Obviously, this takes more effort, has a greater impact on RoF and does not mitigate recoil to the same degree. I noticed that the turbo controller, whatever its trigger rate was, lowered the RoF to around 720 RPM. Not that those 30 rounds a minute really matter when you have no recoil. Surely then the simplest solution to this 'issue' is...... To remove all recoil from all weapons.... Except snipers and TAC variations Absolutely. Only after that can we finally focus on completely removing the need to actively aim. We've already had that, it was called the flay lock
Even that required some aim. No, I'm thinking bigger; if your reticule at any time comes in contact with the enemy, it locks on to them until they die or you let go of the trigger.
Oh, wait. It's called aim assist.
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KatanaPT
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
405
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:47:00 -
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After a while youtubbing i have to say...i found several other gameplay videos where no-recoil is blatant... Just do a search and you will be surprised.
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Jak'Saan
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
139
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:26:00 -
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KatanaPT wrote:After a while youtubbing i have to say...i found several other gameplay videos where no-recoil is blatant... Just do a search and you will be surprised.
CCP's official stance on fixing exploitable AR bugs: ... |
Robocop Junior
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
385
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Posted - 2013.11.25 19:06:00 -
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Damn I feel so bad for anyone that needs to cheat in a video game(especially a free one!) Let's face it who are these people IRL? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say insecure, lonely, never been kissed, homely individuals. Lol just saying I highly doubt they were Prom King. |
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