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Knight Soiaire R 0 N 1 N 3279	Posted - 2013.11.15 16:40:00 - [61] - Quote I can imagine a lot of people rushing out to buy a turbo-controller, after this. Save General John Ripper! Catz Addict
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 693	Posted - 2013.11.15 16:41:00 - [62] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: I can imagine a lot people rushing out to buy a turbo-controller, after this. Don't worry! CCP will release a patch to stop them... in about six months. !
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1292	Posted - 2013.11.15 16:50:00 - [63] - Quote Honestly never even thought about that I know a lot of cod players use those controllers...so this whole time we call something op It could be some nerd with a modded controller to make 100% accurate headshots I'm everyone's type
GTA V FTW 187	Posted - 2013.11.15 16:51:00 - [64] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: I can imagine a lot of people rushing out to buy a turbo-controller, after this. You have to be a very sad pathetic uber l33t trihard neck beard to run out and get a modded controller for this lol F2P lobby FPS. CCP = FPS noobs Meh, broke game will always be broke.
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 92	Posted - 2013.11.15 16:59:00 - [65] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Hey guys. Thanks for pulling this together. The issues been escalated and I've passed on the video. Whether or not it's working as "mechanically intended" I can't comment on yet, but will try to get a response for you when I know more. Could you please tell everybody, that it is no problem to implement recoil, which can't be bypassed by turbo controllers? Thanks. Many people think it is impossible. I'd honestly rather not comment (probably because I'd be wrong) and would rather have the design guys take a look. :) As a senior software engineer, I can confirm that it would not be impossible. The logic is simple: You fire a round (yes even one) your gun recoils. the next shot does the same, so on and so forth. what you are seeing is the result of no recoil on the first shot. Silly. This means your first shot is a freebie which is not realistic. This bug also appears on SMG. if you want to test it, instead of holding down your trigger, pump the trigger. No recoil. Silly. This probably applies to most spray and pray weapons and was probably implemented to mask horrible HD. Now that HD is amazing, this is one more ban-aid ready to come off, that is covering up some faded soggy skin which is ripe with poor development practices.
Paran Tadec Imperfect Bastards 1648	Posted - 2013.11.15 17:11:00 - [66] - Quote This game is bad. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
GTA V FTW 188	Posted - 2013.11.15 17:11:00 - [67] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: This game is bad. Yep. CCP = FPS noobs Meh, broke game will always be broke.
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1292	Posted - 2013.11.15 17:15:00 - [68] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: This game is bad. Ps4 when I get home I'm everyone's type
Spirolito Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 5	Posted - 2013.11.15 17:23:00 - [69] - Quote GTA V FTW wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: This game is bad. Yep. This game isn't bad, it has evolved a lot and will continue to do so with the help and feedback of players. Its a F2P shooter, dont forget that. I see sometimes people comparing it to shooters that have budgets of millions and i dont think thats fair. If you dont like it, dont play it.
Paran Tadec Imperfect Bastards 1648	Posted - 2013.11.15 17:27:00 - [70] - Quote Spirolito wrote: GTA V FTW wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: This game is bad. Yep. This game isn't bad, it has evolved a lot and will continue to do so with the help and feedback of players. Its a F2P shooter, dont forget that. I see sometimes people comparing it to shooters that have budgets of millions and i dont think thats fair. If you dont like it, dont play it. And the apologists roll in Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!

GTA V FTW 189	Posted - 2013.11.15 17:34:00 - [71] - Quote Spirolito wrote: GTA V FTW wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: This game is bad. Yep. This game isn't bad, it has evolved a lot and will continue to do so with the help and feedback of players. Its a F2P shooter, dont forget that. I see sometimes people comparing it to shooters that have budgets of millions and i dont think thats fair. If you dont like it, dont play it. Dude this game is bad even for a F2P game. Broke core mechanics that have been industry standard for years = bad broke F2P game CCP = FPS noobs Meh, broke game will always be broke.
Paran Tadec Imperfect Bastards 1649	Posted - 2013.11.15 17:38:00 - [72] - Quote Picard wants to know why the **** mas driver doesn't work the same way, cause we all know then the ttk for the mas driver would be as low as it is for the assault and scrambler. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Cosgar ParagonX 7794	Posted - 2013.11.15 17:46:00 - [73] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Picard wants to know why the **** mas driver doesn't work the same way, cause we all know then the ttk for the mas driver would be as low as it is for the assault and scrambler. They hot fixed the sprint/fire glitch for the MD and shotgun almost overnight. Let's see how "fast" this gets fixed when even devs are saying this is "by design" whether to save face or due to inexperience. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 93	Posted - 2013.11.15 17:57:00 - [74] - Quote Cosgar wrote: They hot fixed the sprint/fire glitch for the MD and shotgun almost overnight. Let's see how "fast" this gets fixed when even devs are saying this is "by design" whether to save face or due to inexperience. Don't hold your breath. The majority of their "clients" are AR . The big portion of the money comes from them. If they fix this bug, if they fix the OP-ness of AR, there will be a mass flooding of AR tears. This means less AR money. CCP's hands are tied: hold true to the nature of diversity that is Dust 514 and feel the wrath of the majority of their clients or appease the masses and make money to pay their devs... As "wrong" as it is to sell out to the almighty dollar, There would be no Dust 514 if the devs don't get paid.
Paran Tadec Imperfect Bastards 1652	Posted - 2013.11.15 17:58:00 - [75] - Quote Jak'Saan wrote: Cosgar wrote: They hot fixed the sprint/fire glitch for the MD and shotgun almost overnight. Let's see how "fast" this gets fixed when even devs are saying this is "by design" whether to save face or due to inexperience. Don't hold your breath. The majority of their "clients" are AR . The big portion of the money comes from them. If they fix this bug, if they fix the OP-ness of AR, there will be a mass flooding of AR tears. This means less AR money. CCP's hands are tied: hold true to the nature of diversity that is Dust 514 and feel the wrath of the majority of their clients or appease the masses and make money to pay their devs... As "wrong" as it is to sell out to the almighty dollar, There would be no Dust 514 if the devs don't get paid. They already get paid with eve money. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Green Living 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 981	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:06:00 - [76] - Quote How do I go about getting a turbo controller? I want to use it for testing purposes only of course.
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 93	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:08:00 - [77] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Jak'Saan wrote: Cosgar wrote: They hot fixed the sprint/fire glitch for the MD and shotgun almost overnight. Let's see how "fast" this gets fixed when even devs are saying this is "by design" whether to save face or due to inexperience. Don't hold your breath. The majority of their "clients" are AR . The big portion of the money comes from them. If they fix this bug, if they fix the OP-ness of AR, there will be a mass flooding of AR tears. This means less AR money. CCP's hands are tied: hold true to the nature of diversity that is Dust 514 and feel the wrath of the majority of their clients or appease the masses and make money to pay their devs... As "wrong" as it is to sell out to the almighty dollar, There would be no Dust 514 if the devs don't get paid. They already get paid with eve money. How confident about that are you? And even if that is true, a business can only survive off the profit of a sibling/parent for so long until someone decides it is just a money drain. Either way, Dust MUST eventually become self-sufficient if it is to continue. Thank the AR community for making this possible. The rest of us either need to "HTFU" as CCP says or else go pay for a game that is not dependent on Pay-As-You-Go income. While you may spend more money on those in one shot, there is no need to suck up to only one type of player. It's funny I was just playing Mass-Effect 2 as a shotgunner (I'm picking up all the games I have put aside again). the idea of shotgunning in that game is lots of HP and Melee damage, instant distance closing and high DPS. in fact all the weapons are so perfectly balanced! No sucking up to AR players needed because you buy the game and then move on.
Ten-Sidhe 541	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:18:00 - [78] - Quote Put a delay on full auto that stop firing and start. Most turbocontroller fire 900 rpm. If delay between burst is set to say, 290. Game ignores trigger pulls till rate cool down to next allowed pull is over, so first 3 shots are ignored and forth is excepted. This would cut an AR rate of fire from 750 to 187.5 when turbo controller is starting and stopping the fire after every shot. This would render turbo useless and not affect normal use. For semi auto, some can pull the trigger that fast, but the pulls are not identical. So, if length of time between trigger pulls and duration of presses was measured the two can be told appart. If 2 or 3 identical pulls are in a row, the gun ignores the pull. A fast finger will still fire since the trigger pulls are each slightly faster or slower then the last one. This could be bypassed with a random inte offset added to controller output, but that would require a custom controller with micro processor made specificly for dust. Forum Alt of Sophia Borjia, Press secretary of Hellstorm, League of Infamy EvE mains 10sidhe and Sophia Borgia
Cosgar ParagonX 7795	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:26:00 - [79] - Quote Jak'Saan wrote: Cosgar wrote: They hot fixed the sprint/fire glitch for the MD and shotgun almost overnight. Let's see how "fast" this gets fixed when even devs are saying this is "by design" whether to save face or due to inexperience. Don't hold your breath. The majority of their "clients" are AR . The big portion of the money comes from them. If they fix this bug, if they fix the OP-ness of AR, there will be a mass flooding of AR tears. This means less AR money. CCP's hands are tied: hold true to the nature of diversity that is Dust 514 and feel the wrath of the majority of their clients or appease the masses and make money to pay their devs... As "wrong" as it is to sell out to the almighty dollar, There would be no Dust 514 if the devs don't get paid. I hope the devs are still reading this. This is how our community thinks you balance things. Prove us wrong. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 94	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:40:00 - [80] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Jak'Saan wrote: Cosgar wrote: They hot fixed the sprint/fire glitch for the MD and shotgun almost overnight. Let's see how "fast" this gets fixed when even devs are saying this is "by design" whether to save face or due to inexperience. Don't hold your breath. The majority of their "clients" are AR . The big portion of the money comes from them. If they fix this bug, if they fix the OP-ness of AR, there will be a mass flooding of AR tears. This means less AR money. CCP's hands are tied: hold true to the nature of diversity that is Dust 514 and feel the wrath of the majority of their clients or appease the masses and make money to pay their devs... As "wrong" as it is to sell out to the almighty dollar, There would be no Dust 514 if the devs don't get paid. I hope the devs are still reading this. This is how our community thinks you balance things. Prove us wrong. I haven't seen any Devs replying to negativity/realism... It's unfortunate because I have a lot of questions that I would appreciate answers to but they come off as being negative and as such go unseen by the devs. I've never once had a dev reply. Probably cause I am a scout shogunner/NKer. Devs hate scouts.

lDocHollidayl Ancient Exiles. 345	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:50:00 - [81] - Quote Eversor Beercase wrote: On a side note, it seems like we've got the three banes of FPS on our hands: "wallhack" in the form of active scanners, "aimbot" in the form of aim assist and "no recoil" in the form of turbo controllers. Two of which are actual features of the game and the third one you can buy from stores. At least there's the plasma cannon. Devs if you are still listening here is a BIG issue. The overheat on the ScR can be glitched by the kneel sprint glitch , the scanner can be glitched so it runs the whole time while the AR is out...aim assist is what it is and I do not mind. But this "glitches" are becoming increasing more popular and game breaking. Currently we do not need anymore reasons to give new players to give up on Dust. Me thinks TTK issues may have links to this stuff.
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1295	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:57:00 - [82] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: Eversor Beercase wrote: On a side note, it seems like we've got the three banes of FPS on our hands: "wallhack" in the form of active scanners, "aimbot" in the form of aim assist and "no recoil" in the form of turbo controllers. Two of which are actual features of the game and the third one you can buy from stores. At least there's the plasma cannon. Devs if you are still listening here is a BIG issue. The overheat on the ScR can be glitched by the kneel sprint glitch , the scanner can be glitched so it runs the whole time while the AR is out...aim assist is what it is and I do not mind. But this "glitches" are becoming increasing more popular and game breaking. Currently we do not need anymore reasons to give new players to give up on Dust. Me thinks TTK issues may have links to this stuff. Someone post something about scanners in feedback so I told them how its being abused...its in their hands now I agree both are ruining the game I'm everyone's type
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 94	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:58:00 - [83] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: Currently we do not need anymore reasons to give new players to give up on Dust. Or vets for that matter...
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1224	Posted - 2013.11.15 19:01:00 - [84] - Quote guess i'll be buying a turbo controller. I need a 4th and their hasn't been a single time in this games history where a turbo controller hasn't given an unfair advantage. can't beat them, join them.
Rahl Draak Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2013.11.15 19:02:00 - [85] - Quote It's almost like aim assist (gasp) has been the overarching balance problem all along! What to do?????
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 475	Posted - 2013.11.15 19:13:00 - [86] - Quote make turbo controllers illegal? or incompatible with the game through some sort of devious coding system?...
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 95	Posted - 2013.11.15 19:17:00 - [87] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: make turbo controllers illegal? or incompatible with the game through some sort of devious coding system?... Yeah... cause CCP excels at coding...
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. 2981	Posted - 2013.11.15 19:19:00 - [88] - Quote Wow this showcases a really bad gltich lol. But in my eyes... The worst part of this is when you see that there is no recoil for the first 30 shots!!!! I mean like WTF IS THAT! That's the true problem with the ARs. No recoil or dispersion automatic weapons.. SMH! GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 2
Keeriam Miray R 0 N 1 N 94	Posted - 2013.11.15 23:57:00 - [89] - Quote For goodness sake add SWAY for ALL weapons that also interacts with recoil, it will make hard to snipe on optimal & nearly impossible on max distances. You will need to fight that sway by you own aiming skills. I can agree in some way that future energy weapons possibly may have not any recoil\kick on them... but sway. * FG sniping fixed * AR sniping fixed * etc... Only weapon that have initial sway is sniper rifle & making it looks silly on FGs & ARs background. That CCP's "by design" is hilarious & inexcusably incompetent already. If you trying to make CoD like AR514, just did it already, remove everything exept ARs & assault suits... damn. So big, so angry, so dead... Don't run. You'll only die tired.
dogmanpig black market bank 44	Posted - 2013.11.16 00:29:00 - [90] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Hey guys. Thanks for pulling this together. The issues been escalated and I've passed on the video. Whether or not it's working as "mechanically intended" I can't comment on yet, but will try to get a response for you when I know more. it is intended because there is no first shoot multiple for recoil or the second or third or the 20th shot in case you don't get it, i'll drop a clip of BF3 so you can get an idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8875rtfDz8 the AR doesn't start getting recoil till around 30 shots which makes null sense. if you can handle a weapon and get no recoil you don't start getting it half way into the clip because the rounds. the first shot of any full auto weapon is the worse. You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"



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