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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2077
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:08:00 -
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someone asked about CCP's plans for PS4 and the guy mentioned that there are 80M PS3's out there so their "laser focus" is on the ps3. Seriously.....CCP has no plans or intentions on converting to the PS4.
That worries me because it touches on the common sense of the people who are building this game. There are 80M PS3's out there because the PS4 has not yet been released. The PS4 is debuting at only $399...that is less than new model cellphones when they hit the market. Why does CCP think that people won't buy the PS4? How many people still play on their PS2's??
The PS3 is going to be a dead system in a matter of months and CCP has a few years plan on it? That worries me because how do they not see that pushing for the PS3 is a fail idea? As much as I enjoy dust.....no way will I be unhooking my PS4 and then hooking up my PS3 for a pc match or to cap each week. I won't be getting the PS4 at launch but it won't be too long after that. I'm not going to be going through that trouble of switching systems just to log onto dust. I already have too much congestion with my pc, ps3, Hauppauge, cell phone charger, internet router, etc. I have to use two extension cords......something will give. |
Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles
47
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:14:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:someone asked about CCP's plans for PS4 and the guy mentioned that there are 80M PS3's out there so their "laser focus" is on the ps3. Seriously.....CCP has no plans or intentions on converting to the PS4.
That worries me because it touches on the common sense of the people who are building this game. There are 80M PS3's out there because the PS4 has not yet been released. The PS4 is debuting at only $399...that is less than new model cellphones when they hit the market. Why does CCP think that people won't buy the PS4? How many people still play on their PS2's??
The PS3 is going to be a dead system in a matter of months and CCP has a few years plan on it? That worries me because how do they not see that pushing for the PS3 is a fail idea? As much as I enjoy dust.....no way will I be unhooking my PS4 and then hooking up my PS3 for a pc match or to cap each week. I won't be getting the PS4 at launch but it won't be too long after that. I'm not going to be going through that trouble of switching systems just to log onto dust. I already have too much congestion with my pc, ps3, Hauppauge, cell phone charger, internet router, etc. I have to use two extension cords......something will give.
Snaps fingers> YOU GO GURL!
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
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Mikey Ducati
Xer Cloud Consortium
6
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:16:00 -
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This proposed great migration doesn't happen when a new console releases. It's first gen anyway. That's a gamble purchase in itself. |
Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles
47
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:17:00 -
[4] - Quote
Mikey Ducati wrote:This proposed great migration doesn't happen when a new console releases. It's first gen anyway. That's a gamble purchase in itself.
NEVER BUY FIRST GEN ANYTHING THANK GOD DUST WAS FREE.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2078
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:19:00 -
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Mikey Ducati wrote:This proposed great migration doesn't happen when a new console releases. It's first gen anyway. That's a gamble purchase in itself.
they have no intention on going to the PS4..at least not for a very long time. |
calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
884
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:22:00 -
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I do not believe that the PS3 will be a dead system in a few months. Look how long it took for individuals to convert from the PS2 to the PS3. Second with the state of the economy I do not see individuals rushing out to purchase a high end electronic item. Most of us are hard working individuals who have responsibilities like paying our bills and making sure our children are fed. We do not have parents that can go out and buy us the next tech craze. So please do not assume anything. Do you know what assume means, it means making an A** out of u and me. I have more important things to worry about than the PS4 for example, if interest rates will rise sending this fragile economy into a tailspin or if obozocare is going to gut the rest of the working class out of there last dime.
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Mikey Ducati
Xer Cloud Consortium
7
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:23:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:This proposed great migration doesn't happen when a new console releases. It's first gen anyway. That's a gamble purchase in itself. they have no intention on going to the PS4..at least not for a very long time.
I wasn't getting rid of my PS3 anyway. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Cult of War
1005
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:24:00 -
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I don't even have a PS4 per-ordered, i do plan on getting one but no time soon.
For the Empire!
Dual tanking is a sin.
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1783
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:26:00 -
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I wonder how long it would take them to convert to PS4.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2079
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:42:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I do not believe that the PS3 will be a dead system in a few months. Look how long it took for individuals to convert from the PS2 to the PS3. Second with the state of the economy I do not see individuals rushing out to purchase a high end electronic item. Most of us are hard working individuals who have responsibilities like paying our bills and making sure our children are fed. We do not have parents that can go out and buy us the next tech craze. So please do not assume anything. Do you know what assume means, it means making an A** out of u and me. I have more important things to worry about than the PS4 for example, if interest rates will rise sending this fragile economy into a tailspin or if obozocare is going to gut the rest of the working class out of there last dime.
If you have or had any AUR, then all of the stuff that you're talking about as far as real world responsibilities are null and void. |
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2079
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:44:00 -
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And just for the record......look at the player base numbers for dust. When the PS4 hits, do you think that the numbers will stay level, drop, or rise? Do you think that Dust will get new players after the PS4 hits? |
Mikey Ducati
Xer Cloud Consortium
8
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:49:00 -
[12] - Quote
Not being an ass, but really no one cares. When PS4 releases, it will be kids flooding COD servers and BF4 servers. Under all that, Dust will continue on. They said the same thing when GTAV came out.
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Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
1147
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:50:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:someone asked about CCP's plans for PS4 and the guy mentioned that there are 80M PS3's out there so their "laser focus" is on the ps3. Seriously.....CCP has no plans or intentions on converting to the PS4.
That worries me because it touches on the common sense of the people who are building this game. There are 80M PS3's out there because the PS4 has not yet been released. The PS4 is debuting at only $399...that is less than new model cellphones when they hit the market. Why does CCP think that people won't buy the PS4? How many people still play on their PS2's??
The PS3 is going to be a dead system in a matter of months and CCP has a few years plan on it? That worries me because how do they not see that pushing for the PS3 is a fail idea? As much as I enjoy dust.....no way will I be unhooking my PS4 and then hooking up my PS3 for a pc match or to cap each week. I won't be getting the PS4 at launch but it won't be too long after that. I'm not going to be going through that trouble of switching systems just to log onto dust. I already have too much congestion with my pc, ps3, Hauppauge, cell phone charger, internet router, etc. I have to use two extension cords......something will give.
This topic has been raging since last year.
The official answer of "focused on the PS3" has to do with timing. They won't ever say this, but:
They are trying to grab recruits from the legions of people who don't upgrade to the PS4 in the first year. Most of the major houses are focusing new development on the PS4, which is good for Sony, but not good for companies that don't have EA's advertising budget.
Then, once the PS4 is a well-established platform, with say 20M users, CCP can very quickly change their development path to support it. Most of the assets are portable and the game is built in an engine that supports both platforms.
So, to summarize- CCP isn't dissing the PS4. They're quietly letting people know that they can spend a lot less money by sticking with the PS3 (and buying Aurum) and still enjoy Dust until the preponderance of users makes it cost-effective to switch.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2079
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:53:00 -
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Mikey Ducati wrote:Not being an ass, but really no one cares. When PS4 releases, it will be kids flooding COD servers and BF4 servers. Under all that, Dust will continue on. They said the same thing when GTAV came out.
You can say what you want and be in denial as much as you want. Dust probably won't die to the point where you can't even get into a pub because numbers are that small. But you can be certain, that the playerbase will dwindle when people start buying PS4s and dust hasn't converted.
Cause like I said, judging from the show, they are not even pondering the idea to come to the PS4. Where will dust get new players once people start really purchasing the PS4? |
Mikey Ducati
Xer Cloud Consortium
8
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:01:00 -
[15] - Quote
Just as much as you are in denial? What are you implying or trying to force into our brains? You kids can rush to first generation technology and sit on COD and BF4. Whoopity ******* doo.
One cannot be certain unless one is a time traveler. Playerbase will dwindle...that is inevitable. As far as it dwindling to obscurity, no. As far as Dust just dying because PS4 released, no.
Dust will get new players. Not everybody is selling off their PS3 to Gamehustlestop to get PS4. There isn't a great migration of gamers and PS3 is left with only 4 gamers. Plus, in every generation, some kid always say what you say. |
Aqua-Regia
551
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:09:00 -
[16] - Quote
Mikey Ducati wrote:Just as much as you are in denial? What are you implying or trying to force into our brains? You kids can rush to first generation technology and sit on COD and BF4. Whoopity ******* doo.
One cannot be certain unless one is a time traveler. Playerbase will dwindle...that is inevitable. As far as it dwindling to obscurity, no. As far as Dust just dying because PS4 released, no.
Dust will get new players. Not everybody is selling off their PS3 to Gamehustlestop to get PS4. There isn't a great migration of gamers and PS3 is left with only 4 gamers. Plus, in every generation, some kid always say what you say.
kids LOL
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2080
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:09:00 -
[17] - Quote
Mikey Ducati wrote:Just as much as you are in denial? What are you implying or trying to force into our brains? You kids can rush to first generation technology and sit on COD and BF4. Whoopity ******* doo.
One cannot be certain unless one is a time traveler. Playerbase will dwindle...that is inevitable. As far as it dwindling to obscurity, no. As far as Dust just dying because PS4 released, no.
Dust will get new players. Not everybody is selling off their PS3 to Gamehustlestop to get PS4. There isn't a great migration of gamers and PS3 is left with only 4 gamers. Plus, in every generation, some kid always say what you say.
You're in another world...good luck to you |
Aqua-Regia
551
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:13:00 -
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I give ps3 two and a half years at best.
edit: don't know why it delete it
Gonna be getting the PS4 next year.
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Mikey Ducati
Xer Cloud Consortium
9
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:17:00 -
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...and you're head is too far up your own ass. |
calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
890
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:20:00 -
[20] - Quote
Ydubbs81 RND wrote:calvin b wrote:I do not believe that the PS3 will be a dead system in a few months. Look how long it took for individuals to convert from the PS2 to the PS3. Second with the state of the economy I do not see individuals rushing out to purchase a high end electronic item. Most of us are hard working individuals who have responsibilities like paying our bills and making sure our children are fed. We do not have parents that can go out and buy us the next tech craze. So please do not assume anything. Do you know what assume means, it means making an A** out of u and me. I have more important things to worry about than the PS4 for example, if interest rates will rise sending this fragile economy into a tailspin or if obozocare is going to gut the rest of the working class out of there last dime. If you have or had any AUR, then all of the stuff that you're talking about as far as real world responsibilities are null and void.
WTF are you serious how does spending 20$ on a game even come close to spending 399$. Thats like saying if I bought a cup a coffee a day or bought myself lunch I am some how wrong?????
Do not eat the yellow snow
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2082
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:29:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:calvin b wrote:I do not believe that the PS3 will be a dead system in a few months. Look how long it took for individuals to convert from the PS2 to the PS3. Second with the state of the economy I do not see individuals rushing out to purchase a high end electronic item. Most of us are hard working individuals who have responsibilities like paying our bills and making sure our children are fed. We do not have parents that can go out and buy us the next tech craze. So please do not assume anything. Do you know what assume means, it means making an A** out of u and me. I have more important things to worry about than the PS4 for example, if interest rates will rise sending this fragile economy into a tailspin or if obozocare is going to gut the rest of the working class out of there last dime. If you have or had any AUR, then all of the stuff that you're talking about as far as real world responsibilities are null and void. WTF are you serious how does spending 20$ on a game even come close to spending 399$. Thats like saying if I bought a cup a coffee a day or bought myself lunch I am some how wrong?????
Everyone has a budget of what they could spend for entertainment. If real world responsibilities are that much of a burden, then spending any sort of money on a free game is backwards.
Who goes out to purchase a PS3 if paying bills and making sure our children are fed are that much of an issue? Yet...here we all are. Those that can afford the PS4 will most likely buy it and those that can't will not get it so early. Either way, point is dust's playerbase isn't likely to increase if they have no intention on going to the PS4. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2082
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:30:00 -
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Mikey Ducati wrote:...and you're head is too far up your own ass.
you need to get some ***** fam and calm yourself down. |
The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
1850
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:34:00 -
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Most games will be released for both plattforms simply cause no serious company wants to miss out on cash. Simply due to the fact that there are crap tons of PS3's. I wont instantly swap over to PS4 cause i know the early variants of "next gen" consoles will probs have manufacturing flaws. Why? Cause sony and microsoft are in a race and dont care about quality checks. Prime example is the red ring of death (xbox) and yellow light of death (Ps3). Alot of consoles suffered from that due to crappy production and i bet the new consoles will have something similar.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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Bubba Brown
Militaires Sans Jeux
223
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:35:00 -
[24] - Quote
it's going to be on ps4 eventually, but probably not for at least a year if even that. expect a ps4 port in about 2 years |
crazy space 1
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
1974
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:38:00 -
[25] - Quote
Dust being on PS3 is delaying content deployment HARDCORE
Maybe Dust should abandon the PS3 alltogether. I'm sure a 1080p dust that doesn't have the devs wasting so much time making sure they don't cross the tech budget.
We only have like 4000 people online at a time on a good night. There would be a lot more people playing on the PS4 than the PS3. Even just counting the launch players. |
Mikey Ducati
Xer Cloud Consortium
10
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:43:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:...and you're head is too far up your own ass. you need to get some ***** fam and calm yourself down.
?????
You throw some dirt my way and I throw it back, now I need some ***** and need to calm down? You acting like a chump.
And I'm not your fam, homie the clown. |
Aqua-Regia
551
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:44:00 -
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The question I have is why the hell can't i play it on the PS3 and PS4 if it so easy to part?
Why make me pick between them(PS3&4) if i choose to upgrade and only want one plugin my wall?
Can't we/CCP/Dust have a much bigger player base if we don't need to choose.
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Aqua-Regia
551
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:47:00 -
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Bubba Brown wrote:it's going to be on ps4 eventually, but probably not for at least a year if even that. expect a ps4 port in about 2 years
I gonna be wait till fanfest 2014-EveV 2014 if no new come out I'm moving on.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2082
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:48:00 -
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Mikey Ducati wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:...and you're head is too far up your own ass. you need to get some ***** fam and calm yourself down. ????? You throw some dirt my way and I throw it back, now I need some ***** and need to calm down? You acting like a chump. And I'm not your fam, homie the clown.
saying that you're in another world is hardly offensive. But anyway....I'm not going back and forth with you, especially if you really thought that I consider you fam enough to try and correct me lol. And with the "homie" the clown statement, I already know what I'm dealing with. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2082
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:51:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:Bubba Brown wrote:it's going to be on ps4 eventually, but probably not for at least a year if even that. expect a ps4 port in about 2 years I gonna be wait till fanfest 2014-EveV 2014 if no new come out I'm moving on.
I'm not going to give dust a deadline....but I do know that I am not looking forward to (and don't have intention to) unhooking and hooking up my PS4 and PS3 when I do purchase a PS4. If there are no PS4 games that I enjoy like that, then that'll be reason to keep the PS3 hooked up. |
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Mikey Ducati
Xer Cloud Consortium
10
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:52:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:...and you're head is too far up your own ass. you need to get some ***** fam and calm yourself down. ????? You throw some dirt my way and I throw it back, now I need some ***** and need to calm down? You acting like a chump. And I'm not your fam, homie the clown. saying that you're in another world is hardly offensive. But anyway....I'm not going back and forth with you, especially if you really thought that I consider you fam enough to try and correct me lol. And with the "homie" the clown statement, I already know what I'm dealing with.
Oh please, Nancy. This passive aggressiveness doesn't go with the skirt you wear. Yeah you don't want to go back forth with someone stronger and smarter than you. Do that. Next time, try to be a somewhat of a man instead of chump with his tails between his legs because no one agrees with his opinion. |
Aqua-Regia
551
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:58:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Aqua-Regia wrote:Bubba Brown wrote:it's going to be on ps4 eventually, but probably not for at least a year if even that. expect a ps4 port in about 2 years I gonna be wait till fanfest 2014-EveV 2014 if no new come out I'm moving on. I'm not going to give dust a deadline....but I do know that I am not looking forward to (and don't have intention to) unhooking and hooking up my PS4 and PS3 when I do purchase a PS4. If there are no PS4 games that I enjoy like that, then that'll be reason to keep the PS3 hooked up.
Same for me. Right now I don't see any game I like for the ps4 so just waiting it out.
I set a deadline because if i didn't I may have a hard time moving on later, I did over spended on this game and the fact the game not moving in the way I like it to sadden me.
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Aqua-Regia
552
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:03:00 -
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Mikey Ducati wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:...and you're head is too far up your own ass. you need to get some ***** fam and calm yourself down. ????? You throw some dirt my way and I throw it back, now I need some ***** and need to calm down? You acting like a chump. And I'm not your fam, homie the clown. saying that you're in another world is hardly offensive. But anyway....I'm not going back and forth with you, especially if you really thought that I consider you fam enough to try and correct me lol. And with the "homie" the clown statement, I already know what I'm dealing with. Oh please, Nancy. This passive aggressiveness doesn't go with the skirt you wear. Yeah you don't want to go back forth with someone stronger and smarter than you. Do that. Next time, try to be a somewhat of a man instead of chump with his tails between his legs because no one agrees with his opinion.
**** man, If this tick you off this fast you gonna be a easy troll target.
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Mikey Ducati
Xer Cloud Consortium
10
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:15:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:[quote=Mikey Ducati]
**** man, If this tick you off this fast you gonna be a easy troll target.
Was never mad in the first place Dr. Phil.
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
349
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:41:00 -
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Mikey Ducati wrote:This proposed great migration doesn't happen when a new console releases. It's first gen anyway. That's a gamble purchase in itself.
What is funny, is that Microsoft is responsible for 60%+ of the "gamble" stigma as the Red Ring of Death scandal shot around.
My 360 was hit by it, but they refused to replace it... Claimed I had to pay a $100+ repair fee. Needless to say I switched to Playstation after that happened.
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
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Mikey Ducati
Xer Cloud Consortium
10
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:48:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:This proposed great migration doesn't happen when a new console releases. It's first gen anyway. That's a gamble purchase in itself. What is funny, is that Microsoft is responsible for 60%+ of the "gamble" stigma as the Red Ring of Death scandal shot around. My 360 was hit by it, but they refused to replace it... Claimed I had to pay a $100+ repair fee. Needless to say I switched to Playstation after that happened.
Actually its not a stigma. Techies know that first generation is problematic.
Also, let me remind you that each first generation of a console had its share of problems. Let's not turn this into a flame war.
When Playstation One first arrived, it was 300 bucks...and the fan was known to short out. This is when us gamers were known to put our consoles on the carpet floor. Of course this caused fires because the PSX ran so hot. The second generation corrected that problem. |
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I am trying to find the article but apparently 200+ games are scheduled for the ps3 next year...
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lol @ their logic... 80 million PS3s in the wild, yet only about 3500 people (give or take a few hundred) play DUST at any given moment. That somehow = a good thing? 
Pushing an already struggling game, from technical stand point, on a console that people are clamoring to say goodbye to...
I love my PS3, but man, this 512mb RAM crap gotta go, and it's only so far they can push DUST on this console.
My theory is expect DUST mid-late 2015 using Unreal Engine 4. They can be how "laser focused" they want, PS4 is the future, and only an idiot would think otherwise.
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I am trying to find the article but apparently 200+ games are scheduled for the ps3 next year...
well...yeeeeaaa...
Companies like EA, Activision, and Ubisoft love it! They get to milk their yearly cows over 2 generations of gaming consoles at the same time. Doesn't change the fact that PS3 is old, and will eventually end up like the PS2.
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I am trying to find the article but apparently 200+ games are scheduled for the ps3 next year... well...yeeeeaaa... Companies like EA, Activision, and Ubisoft love it! They get to milk their yearly cows over 2 generations of gaming consoles at the same time. Doesn't change the fact that PS3 is old, and will eventually end up like the PS2.
Well at least it was like the original xbox's schedule after 360 came out it was like 20 games? The most notable of which Black.
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ha, like the ps4's tech isn't old |
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I am trying to find the article but apparently 200+ games are scheduled for the ps3 next year...
and how many of them will NOT be PS4 compatible?? |
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:This proposed great migration doesn't happen when a new console releases. It's first gen anyway. That's a gamble purchase in itself. they have no intention on going to the PS4..at least not for a very long time.
Prolly a year. Maybe less. Definitely not before the game is tight and feature complete. |
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I don't think people have the right idea about why this is being done.
It is not that CCP wants to focus on delivering a "AAA"(Hah! Remember when Dust was going to be AAA!) game on the PS3.
It is not that the want to be loyal to the 80m installed base for the short term.
No, the real answer is that they don't have enough staff to fix the broken PS3 version while developing the PS4 one. So instead of cutting their losses, and throwing all their efforts behind the PS4 version, which, if it was given a couple years of hard work, might turn out to be playable around 2017 or so, they have decided to throw their staff into developing for an outdated platform on its way out.
CCP, full of smarties.
When Dust finally makes it to PS4 sometime either in late 2014, or maybe mid 2015, it will still be a poorly developed, unbalanced piece. There is very little CCP could do about that short of banning everyone who has every played the game and starting over.
I am starting to think that it won't ever matter, because it has lately been becoming more and more clear that CCP is going to cater to scrubs so hard in this game that anyone with actual FPS skill will flee horribly.
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:If you have or had any AUR, then all of the stuff that you're talking about as far as real world responsibilities are null and void. Buying a $20 PSN card to boost a game you like makes you irresponsible?
I guess owning a PS3 makes you a threat to society... |
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Mikey Ducati wrote:Not being an ass, but really no one cares. When PS4 releases, it will be kids flooding COD servers and BF4 servers. Under all that, Dust will continue on. They said the same thing when GTAV came out.
Dust will continue to fail on, YOU can continue to play a game thats been in beta since the announcement . While I'm on the PS4 you'll be left on the PS3 with dead servers. |
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Sony does not want Dust 514 on PS4
Sony is trying to develop a successful platform, and as of right now, Dust by no means successful
If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514.
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ReGnYuM wrote:Sony does not want Dust 514 on PS4
Sony is trying to develop a successful platform, and as of right now, Dust by no means successful
This is actually a valid point.
Who knows what goes on in SONY's back room, but a decision to keep DUST off the PS4, for now, would be a good one.
But in all likelihood it's not an issue for CCP regardless. Logic and necessity dictate focusing on the core of the game and all concerned parties know that. The current platform is the best possible place to refine the core, imo.
It will force CCP to develop properly in a resource-constrained environment. On the PS4 code would definitely not be receiving the same level of scrutiny. This is a crucial training exercise for CCP if they're going to grow as a development house. The sole downside to this is time lost to the idiosyncratic nature of the cell processor architecture.
But far better all of this now than later. Staying on PS3 until they have their kittenpoop together is a good call, any other decision, given our current circumstances, with very probaly lead to total failure. |
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OP hasnt realised that the DUST launch on PS3 was ******* terrible
So why would CCP repeat the same mistake?
They might aswell use PS3 to get everything out like the racial suits/vehicles and weapons and modes
Then do a proper release on PS4 with a fanfare and try to get some advertisement going with a 'half finished game' at least
Worst thing they could do is release it on PS4 in this state |
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Wow people in this topic are full of doom and gloom.
CCP has made a commitment to DUST 514. What does that mean? Well if you relate it to EVE, that means going for almost 5 years without releasing a product prior to 2003 and sometime working for no pay and doing other things (the Danger Game) to raise capital in order to just release that game. Since then there have been around 2 dozen expansions, the development of an entire community, support for multiple fanfests, the creation of several tournament based competitions, and so much more... all for free where other MMO's would have charged you for each and every damn expansion.
Now they've provided a "free to play" style game on a console that has made the huge technological leap of being linked to a persistent PC universe not to mention being a unique MMO based on an FPS system as well.
Sure there are bugs. They are doing stuff that has never been done by anyone else before. Sure things are not finished. CCP likes to see how players play and then design to match that paradigm.
So for everyone panicking and saying "...oh noes! no PS4 for DUST..." you are like the little chicken saying that the sky is falling. No they have no plans to release for the PS4... NOW at this moment that they can make any official announcements about. However, as shown in the past, CCP has made a commitment to their other game (EVE Online) for over a decade and have promised to continue to do so for the next decade. I cannot imagine that such a level of commitment does not carry over to DUST 514 as well.
They will, in all likelihood, eventually make the switch over to the PS4 AFTER they have worked through a lot of the rest of the development that is needed on the core gameplay first. Also, it will allow the new platform (the PS4) to mature and work out any of it's bugs as anything first gen for technology is usually not a good product to get. Also "backwards comparability" isn't as simple as saying it and designing to fit a system is always better. I have a feeling that when CCP finally does start progressing towards the PS4 full implementation, that it will occur in steps where PS3 and PS4 support will happen (ie. the game will work for both), then they will phase out the PS3 part, and then they will update the PS4 part to take advantage of full PS4 capabilities. Similar progression to this has taken place in the past for EVE when it came to upgrading graphics or other minimum PC specs.
Finally, CCP has built up a player base on the PS3, so why drop them like a sack of rotten apples just to jump on the "new thing" bandwagon? This would only **** off and alienate a large portion of that player base and that's not how CCP believes in building a community. Yeah, other MMO's dwarf EVE Online for shear numbers of players and similarly other FPS's have a larger player base than DUST does, but CCP works on building a steadfast community of players that doesn't give up and continues to grow slowly over time. By dropping PS3 to jump to PS4 without consideration for that would kill that community and cause them to loose out in the long run.
Also, someone was complaining about not wanting to have to disconnect their PS4 to be able to play their PS3 and vice versa when they get both... I have to ask, if you can afford a PS4 and already have a PS3, then I'm assuming you also have a digital TV (plasma, LCD, or LED style) in which case they come with more than one HDMI inputs... That's one cable for the PS3 and one cable for the PS4. Seriously, how difficult is that? |
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I will not be buying a PS4 this year but I probably will in time for the Destiny Beta in the spring. I will probably keep the PS3 around for a bit but my playing time will be dependent upon how much I enjoy the PS4 games.
While the PS4 will not be the death knell for Dust, it will definitely have more of an impact than other PS3 games will. GTA and BF4 are still on the PS3 so its easy for players to switch back and forth. As Dubs has said, its going to much more difficult to get players to boot up different systems (or keep an old system) just for a few games.
People will be slowly migrating to the PS4 but there will be a point where it reaches the point where Dust will truly suffer if it does not migrate. PS3's will not last forever. When they begin to break down people will either chose to fix an outdated platform or just invest in a PS4.
The bigger question is whether CCP will give themselves enough lead time to begin development for the PS4 before players move on.
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@OP
Considering most of the people making the argument for the PS4 were 12 years old when the PS3 came out, I don't take your argument for the PS4 seriously.
"Youre like a small child that wanders into a theatre, no frame of reference!"
Furthermore, if we look historically at major platform launches they are always plagued with shortages, bugs and increase demand which increases the price. You really should get over the hype of the "new hotness" look at GTA5, crap. BF 4 which really is BF 3.5 and Call of DOOTY. It's all crap fed down our throats by developers that are just trying to get their product out. PS4 is going to be no different.
Don't contribute to mindless consumerism by adding fuel to this argument. The people that enjoy dust the most don't sway off the path of Dust because of new hyped out game. The bottom line is, nothing that will be released on the PS4 will replace Dust 514, at least no time soon. Even if that does happen, by the time it does, Dust will probably have been ported over.
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TcuBe3 wrote:@OP
Considering most of the people making the argument for the PS4 were 12 years old when the PS3 came out, I don't take your argument for the PS4 seriously.
"Youre like a small child that wanders into a theatre, no frame of reference!"
Furthermore, if we look historically at major platform launches they are always plagued with shortages, bugs and increase demand which increases the price. You really should get over the hype of the "new hotness" look at GTA5, crap. BF 4 which really is BF 3.5 and Call of DOOTY. It's all crap fed down our throats by developers that are just trying to get their product out. PS4 is going to be no different.
Don't contribute to mindless consumerism by adding fuel to this argument. The people that enjoy dust the most don't sway off the path of Dust because of new hyped out game. The bottom line is, nothing that will be released on the PS4 will replace Dust 514, at least no time soon. Even if that does happen, by the time it does, Dust will probably have been ported over.
Quit worrying about the future and enjoy the present. If that is to hard for you, then go find something else to do.
Again, its not so much worrying about the initial release of the PS4, its about the development lead time to actually port it over. Its not something that they can hotfix in a month.
Im sure that many people would feel a lot easier if CCP just said "We are aware of what is needed to port Dust over to the PS4 and have a team ready to begin that project once we deem it necessary for the health of the game. At this current time, we feel that a port at the release of the PS4 would be more detrimental to the community than beneficial. Rest assured, once that changes, we will let you know about the timeline for the port well ahead of time"
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:someone asked about CCP's plans for PS4 and the guy mentioned that there are 80M PS3's out there so their "laser focus" is on the ps3. Seriously.....CCP has no plans or intentions on converting to the PS4.
That worries me because it touches on the common sense of the people who are building this game. There are 80M PS3's out there because the PS4 has not yet been released. The PS4 is debuting at only $399...that is less than new model cellphones when they hit the market. Why does CCP think that people won't buy the PS4? How many people still play on their PS2's??
The PS3 is going to be a dead system in a matter of months and CCP has a few years plan on it? That worries me because how do they not see that pushing for the PS3 is a fail idea? As much as I enjoy dust.....no way will I be unhooking my PS4 and then hooking up my PS3 for a pc match or to cap each week. I won't be getting the PS4 at launch but it won't be too long after that. I'm not going to be going through that trouble of switching systems just to log onto dust. I already have too much congestion with my pc, ps3, Hauppauge, cell phone charger, internet router, etc. I have to use two extension cords......something will give.
If PS4 sells 10 million in its first year, there are still 70 million more people still playing on PS3. Oh wait,how silly of me, the fact that next gen has launched will cause those 70 million people who didn't get a PS4 in the first year to stop gaming. DUST 514 is doomed!
Relax dude, I think you fail to understand how companies control their info. CCP isn't going to say they are working on PS4 because they're not ready to talk about. Also, if they did choose to reveal it while it was still a ways away, there is a chance that people would stop playing the inferior gen 7 version and wait for gen 8. By not saying anything you dont have this issue. |
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calvin b wrote:I do not believe that the PS3 will be a dead system in a few months. Look how long it took for individuals to convert from the PS2 to the PS3. Second with the state of the economy I do not see individuals rushing out to purchase a high end electronic item. Most of us are hard working individuals who have responsibilities like paying our bills and making sure our children are fed. We do not have parents that can go out and buy us the next tech craze. So please do not assume anything. Do you know what assume means, it means making an A** out of u and me. I have more important things to worry about than the PS4 for example, if interest rates will rise sending this fragile economy into a tailspin or if obozocare is going to gut the rest of the working class out of there last dime.
It took a long time to convert from PS2 to PS3 because the PS3 was overpriced and underpowered. The 360 was a much better deal. Now the tables have turned. |
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Michael Arck wrote:ha, like the ps4's tech isn't old
PS4's 8gb of RAM >>>>> PS3's 512mb of RAM
PS4's GDDR5 >>>>> PS3's GDDR3
Old or not, PS4's tech is future proof like Cerny says. If PS4 tech is old, then the PS3 is ancient...which it is actually.
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If past sales numbers vis-a-vis generation changes in consoles are indicative of future trends, it should be about two years before the PS4 has enough units in homes to have greater game sales than the PS3. Moreover, some of the very best games for any indiviudal console often come towards the end of said consoles life cycle. Assuming that CCP has a transition plan that places DUST 514 on the PS4 by early 2015, the game should be well positioned to maintain a reasonable sized player base.
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Again, it will be on PS4 eventually hopefully within a year or less. Next subject |
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Lets be honest, what games other than dust will you commit yourself to dubbs? Bf? Killzone? Destiny? Cod? I dont see it that happening lol. The ps3 will be likely just as relevant as the ps4 throughout the whole ps4's life cycle. This isnt a ps2 to ps3 technilogical gap. Ps4 is simply slightly upgraded glorified ps3. Games wont be running 60fps locked and graphics will be similar. Look at killzone 3 then killzone 4, even killzone 2. As far as dust goes, it wouldnt change at all on the ps4. Its not made for the ps4. It would be "ported" = same game different platform. Same engine, same devs, same developement process, same playerbase.
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Assert Dominance wrote:Lets be honest, what games other than dust will you commit yourself to dubbs? Bf? Killzone? Destiny? Cod? I dont see it that happening lol. The ps3 will be likely just as relevant as the ps4 throughout the whole ps4's life cycle. This isnt a ps2 to ps3 technilogical gap. Ps4 is simply slightly upgraded glorified ps3. Games wont be running 60fps locked and graphics will be similar. Look at killzone 3 then killzone 4, even killzone 2. As far as dust goes, it wouldnt change at all on the ps4. Its not made for the ps4. It would be "ported" = same game different platform. Same engine, same devs, same developement process, same playerbase.
KZ4 looks interesting...and I definitely wont be playing BF4 on the PS3 when I can play 32v32 on the PS4. |
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Canari Elphus wrote:TcuBe3 wrote:@OP
Considering most of the people making the argument for the PS4 were 12 years old when the PS3 came out, I don't take your argument for the PS4 seriously.
"Youre like a small child that wanders into a theatre, no frame of reference!"
Furthermore, if we look historically at major platform launches they are always plagued with shortages, bugs and increase demand which increases the price. You really should get over the hype of the "new hotness" look at GTA5, crap. BF 4 which really is BF 3.5 and Call of DOOTY. It's all crap fed down our throats by developers that are just trying to get their product out. PS4 is going to be no different.
Don't contribute to mindless consumerism by adding fuel to this argument. The people that enjoy dust the most don't sway off the path of Dust because of new hyped out game. The bottom line is, nothing that will be released on the PS4 will replace Dust 514, at least no time soon. Even if that does happen, by the time it does, Dust will probably have been ported over.
Quit worrying about the future and enjoy the present. If that is to hard for you, then go find something else to do. Again, its not so much worrying about the initial release of the PS4, its about the development lead time to actually port it over. Its not something that they can hotfix in a month. Im sure that many people would feel a lot easier if CCP just said "We are aware of what is needed to port Dust over to the PS4 and have a team ready to begin that project once we deem it necessary for the health of the game. At this current time, we feel that a port at the release of the PS4 would be more detrimental to the community than beneficial. Rest assured, once that changes, we will let you know about the timeline for the port well ahead of time"
Well, CCP can say whatever they want...
Fact is they don't have a very good track record with following through...
And that's ok, I will continue enjoying the game for now and anticipate a long life spawn of the game in the future.
Anything that CCP says I take at face value, don't let developers promise's fool you.
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I did not like team fortress at all, this is why I lost one friend over a game. lol pc
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Sorry if this was already mentioned but if you watched the whole thing you would also have seen the keynote. The keynote speaker also mentioned that it will "eventually" come to more platforms. But moving from ps3 to ps4 isn't as simple as a flip of a switch. Plus it would "segregate" the player base because the two platforms can't play together.
I don't blame them. Dust won't gain any new revenue from a ps4 title in the near future. The 500 extra players they would get won't mean anything. Besides then they have to compete with cod and bf4.
They are better off "perfecting the core" and getting it right on ps3. There will be a whole "new" game on ps4 for them to launch.
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IgniteableAura wrote:Sorry if this was already mentioned but if you watched the whole thing you would also have seen the keynote. The keynote speaker also mentioned that it will "eventually" come to more platforms. But moving from ps3 to ps4 isn't as simple as a flip of a switch. Plus it would "segregate" the player base because the two platforms can't play together.
I don't blame them. Dust won't gain any new revenue from a ps4 title in the near future. The 500 extra players they would get won't mean anything. Besides then they have to compete with cod and bf4.
They are better off "perfecting the core" and getting it right on ps3. There will be a whole "new" game on ps4 for them to launch.
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How can they play together? There are limits on what each system can do. If the tech won't allow 64 player battles on ps3 but it's on ps4. How could those two games coexist? They can't.
The ps3 would be the weak link and would hold back the ps4 version.
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IgniteableAura wrote:How can they play together? There are limits on what each system can do. If the tech won't allow 64 player battles on ps3 but it's on ps4. How could those two games coexist? They can't.
The ps3 would be the weak link and would hold back the ps4 version.
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:someone asked about CCP's plans for PS4 and the guy mentioned that there are 80M PS3's out there so their "laser focus" is on the ps3. Seriously.....CCP has no plans or intentions on converting to the PS4.
That worries me because it touches on the common sense of the people who are building this game. There are 80M PS3's out there because the PS4 has not yet been released. The PS4 is debuting at only $399...that is less than new model cellphones when they hit the market. Why does CCP think that people won't buy the PS4? How many people still play on their PS2's??
The PS3 is going to be a dead system in a matter of months and CCP has a few years plan on it? That worries me because how do they not see that pushing for the PS3 is a fail idea? As much as I enjoy dust.....no way will I be unhooking my PS4 and then hooking up my PS3 for a pc match or to cap each week. I won't be getting the PS4 at launch but it won't be too long after that. I'm not going to be going through that trouble of switching systems just to log onto dust. I already have too much congestion with my pc, ps3, Hauppauge, cell phone charger, internet router, etc. I have to use two extension cords......something will give. This topic has been raging since last year. The official answer of "focused on the PS3" has to do with timing. They won't ever say this, but: They are trying to grab recruits from the legions of people who don't upgrade to the PS4 in the first year. Most of the major houses are focusing new development on the PS4, which is good for Sony, but not good for companies that don't have EA's advertising budget. Then, once the PS4 is a well-established platform, with say 20M users, CCP can very quickly change their development path to support it. Most of the assets are portable and the game is built in an engine that supports both platforms. So, to summarize- CCP isn't dissing the PS4. They're quietly letting people know that they can spend a lot less money by sticking with the PS3 (and buying Aurum) and still enjoy Dust until the preponderance of users makes it cost-effective to switch.
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Hmm.
Would there even be room on the PS4 for a game like Dust 514, especially after Planetside 2 launches for the PS4? After all, PS2 (from what I understand) offers an experience much like MAG and, to a lesser degree, Dust 514 ... but with a potential of *hundreds* or even *thousands* of players taking part in a single, massive battle.
Facing competition like that, yeah, it'd be wise for CCP to keep Dust 514 on the PS3 for another year or two. That'll give CCP the time it needs to get their red-headed stepchild to behave in proper company. |
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Grease Spillett wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:someone asked about CCP's plans for PS4 and the guy mentioned that there are 80M PS3's out there so their "laser focus" is on the ps3. Seriously.....CCP has no plans or intentions on converting to the PS4.
That worries me because it touches on the common sense of the people who are building this game. There are 80M PS3's out there because the PS4 has not yet been released. The PS4 is debuting at only $399...that is less than new model cellphones when they hit the market. Why does CCP think that people won't buy the PS4? How many people still play on their PS2's??
The PS3 is going to be a dead system in a matter of months and CCP has a few years plan on it? That worries me because how do they not see that pushing for the PS3 is a fail idea? As much as I enjoy dust.....no way will I be unhooking my PS4 and then hooking up my PS3 for a pc match or to cap each week. I won't be getting the PS4 at launch but it won't be too long after that. I'm not going to be going through that trouble of switching systems just to log onto dust. I already have too much congestion with my pc, ps3, Hauppauge, cell phone charger, internet router, etc. I have to use two extension cords......something will give. Snaps fingers> YOU GO GURL!
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:someone asked about CCP's plans for PS4 and the guy mentioned that there are 80M PS3's out there so their "laser focus" is on the ps3. Seriously.....CCP has no plans or intentions on converting to the PS4.
That worries me because it touches on the common sense of the people who are building this game. There are 80M PS3's out there because the PS4 has not yet been released. The PS4 is debuting at only $399...that is less than new model cellphones when they hit the market. Why does CCP think that people won't buy the PS4? How many people still play on their PS2's??
The PS3 is going to be a dead system in a matter of months and CCP has a few years plan on it? That worries me because how do they not see that pushing for the PS3 is a fail idea? As much as I enjoy dust.....no way will I be unhooking my PS4 and then hooking up my PS3 for a pc match or to cap each week. I won't be getting the PS4 at launch but it won't be too long after that. I'm not going to be going through that trouble of switching systems just to log onto dust. I already have too much congestion with my pc, ps3, Hauppauge, cell phone charger, internet router, etc. I have to use two extension cords......something will give.
the ps2 market thrived for years after the ps3 release... research it.
also, I don't know the numbers, but there is a large group of people (myself included) who don't buy a next gen system the moment it drops, due to many reasons; but the biggest ones are usually money issues, cautious about potential bugs or dev support of new product, and intrest in games still coming out exclusive to the previous generation (like dark souls 2 for this gen)
not to mention the fact that the ps4 hasn't many launch titles to get excited about, with bigger named games not being released till 2014.
the ps3 will still be widely used through at least 2015 and even many gamers who buy next gen will still hold on to their ps3.
I'm sure ccp will move to ps4 sooner than you think, but theres no reason for them to prematurely announce that cross over.
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:someone asked about CCP's plans for PS4 and the guy mentioned that there are 80M PS3's out there so their "laser focus" is on the ps3. Seriously.....CCP has no plans or intentions on converting to the PS4.
That worries me because it touches on the common sense of the people who are building this game. There are 80M PS3's out there because the PS4 has not yet been released. The PS4 is debuting at only $399...that is less than new model cellphones when they hit the market. Why does CCP think that people won't buy the PS4? How many people still play on their PS2's??
The PS3 is going to be a dead system in a matter of months and CCP has a few years plan on it? That worries me because how do they not see that pushing for the PS3 is a fail idea? As much as I enjoy dust.....no way will I be unhooking my PS4 and then hooking up my PS3 for a pc match or to cap each week. I won't be getting the PS4 at launch but it won't be too long after that. I'm not going to be going through that trouble of switching systems just to log onto dust. I already have too much congestion with my pc, ps3, Hauppauge, cell phone charger, internet router, etc. I have to use two extension cords......something will give.
The main reason is that people will actually unplug their PS4 if they see Dust 514 at it's current state.
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DUST514 won't fail because of the PS4 or any other game.
DUST514 is going to fail because it is a broke game.
If and when CCP gets around to actually trying to fix this game it may be too late.
BTW 1.7 will not be the save all patch everyone thinks it will be, if anything 1.7 is going to be taking ten steps back.
1.7 will be full of stuff that shouls have been out at release.
CCP = FPS noobs
Meh, broke game will always be broke.
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Terrible Thread Cookies
1 cup flour
1 teaspoon salt
-+ teaspoon baking soda
-+ cup creamy peanut butter
-+ cup butter, melted
-+ cup brown sugar
1 large egg
1 teaspoon vanilla
White sugar for rolling
A thread full of standard issue blurf.
1. Preheat your oven to 375F.
2. Whisk the flour, salt and baking soda together. In a separate bowl, whisk together the peanut butter, butter, brown sugar, egg and vanilla. Add the dry ingredients to the wet and stir together until smooth. Using a spoon, form 1-inch balls. Roll each in granulated white sugar then place on a baking tray. Bake for 5 minutes.
3. Gently push each cookie down with the back of a small spoon, flattening it and forming a small depression in the center. Fill the center with a small spoonful of your favourite terrible thread. Return to the oven and bake for another 10 minutes or so.
4. Serve by throwing out the window and killing birds.
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dent 308 wrote:Terrible Thread Cookies
1 cup flour
1 teaspoon salt
-+ teaspoon baking soda
-+ cup creamy peanut butter
-+ cup butter, melted
-+ cup brown sugar
1 large egg
1 teaspoon vanilla
White sugar for rolling
A thread full of standard issue blurf.
1. Preheat your oven to 375F.
2. Whisk the flour, salt and baking soda together. In a separate bowl, whisk together the peanut butter, butter, brown sugar, egg and vanilla. Add the dry ingredients to the wet and stir together until smooth. Using a spoon, form 1-inch balls. Roll each in granulated white sugar then place on a baking tray. Bake for 5 minutes.
3. Gently push each cookie down with the back of a small spoon, flattening it and forming a small depression in the center. Fill the center with a small spoonful of your favourite terrible thread. Return to the oven and bake for another 10 minutes or so.
4. Serve by throwing out the window and killing birds.
You spent way to much time trolling this thread, if only you would have used this time doing something constructive * sigh*
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4447 wrote:IgniteableAura wrote:How can they play together? There are limits on what each system can do. If the tech won't allow 64 player battles on ps3 but it's on ps4. How could those two games coexist? They can't.
The ps3 would be the weak link and would hold back the ps4 version. gaikai is a cloud based gaming company that will let ps4 play ps3 games.
Well....so that would mean its just "backward compatible" I can see CCP getting on board with that pretty quickly.
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:
the ps2 market thrived for years after the ps3 release... research it.
also, I don't know the numbers, but there is a large group of people (myself included) who don't buy a next gen system the moment it drops, due to many reasons; but the biggest ones are usually money issues, cautious about potential bugs or dev support of new product, and intrest in games still coming out exclusive to the previous generation (like dark souls 2 for this gen)
not to mention the fact that the ps4 hasn't many launch titles to get excited about, with bigger named games not being released till 2014.
the ps3 will still be widely used through at least 2015 and even many gamers who buy next gen will still hold on to their ps3.
I'm sure ccp will move to ps4 sooner than you think, but theres no reason for them to prematurely announce that cross over.
PS2 production stopped about a year ago. Source: http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/rip-playstation-2-sony-halts-production-of-the-worlds-most-successful-game-console/
Here's a chart from a few years ago showing the four years' prior console sales:
http://www.geekwire.com/2012/xbox-360-tops-wii-ps3-1st-time-yearly-global-sales/
...what I think it demonstrates, is that the 80million-odd PS3s currently that the CCP presentation referred to as currently in use took a long, gradual time to get there.
I'd personally love Dust to upgrade consoles soon, and I probably won't buy a PS4 until Dust moves there...but I understand CCP's position from a business perspective.
EDIT: Quote included because I think my links support the quote, not to argue with it, just in case that was unclear... |
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:someone asked about CCP's plans for PS4 and the guy mentioned that there are 80M PS3's out there so their "laser focus" is on the ps3. Seriously.....CCP has no plans or intentions on converting to the PS4.
That worries me because it touches on the common sense of the people who are building this game. There are 80M PS3's out there because the PS4 has not yet been released. The PS4 is debuting at only $399...that is less than new model cellphones when they hit the market. Why does CCP think that people won't buy the PS4? How many people still play on their PS2's??
The PS3 is going to be a dead system in a matter of months and CCP has a few years plan on it? That worries me because how do they not see that pushing for the PS3 is a fail idea? As much as I enjoy dust.....no way will I be unhooking my PS4 and then hooking up my PS3 for a pc match or to cap each week. I won't be getting the PS4 at launch but it won't be too long after that. I'm not going to be going through that trouble of switching systems just to log onto dust. I already have too much congestion with my pc, ps3, Hauppauge, cell phone charger, internet router, etc. I have to use two extension cords......something will give. Snaps fingers> YOU GO GURL! LOL ! just got up, thanks for that Now on the matter of PS4. ( Btw, anything i say here is pure speculation and personal opinion. We never had any info about that as CPM even though i asked a few times ) I wont ever get out of my head the fact that developing dust on PS3 was a major mistake at first. Considering how bitchy it is to develop on it, and ESPECIALLY when it is your first console game as a dev studio. Also, end of life etc... Now, i dont think it's even a possibility to start porting the game to PS4 now for the sole reason that it would cost a lost and probably kill the game in the mean time considering the fixes the game needs vs coding time needed to port the game vs total manpower. Problem is, if you need money to make the game better, and go PS4. Well, you'll need to have people playing. And over the coming years, less and less players will stick with PS3. Especially FPS players ! So less and less potential customers. So less and less money to invest in upgrading the game. What i'd love to though for near future is for CCP to at least work with Gaikai to make the current game available to be played on PS4. Would be a way to benefit from the tiny line up for PS4 and allow people to carry on playing while changing their system. Though i have no idea how time consuming it would be to do so.
Lol no. If there is one thing this game does not need its the additional input delay that Gaikai comes with. |
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I don't know why they can't just say they are going to port Dust to the PS4 some day. I get it, there's no date, but surely someone at CCP has thought about the PS4 conversion. |
IgniteableAura
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Luk Manag wrote:I don't know why they can't just say they are going to port Dust to the PS4 some day. I get it, there's no date, but surely someone at CCP has thought about the PS4 conversion.
They have.......watch the keynote......
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IgniteableAura wrote:Luk Manag wrote:I don't know why they can't just say they are going to port Dust to the PS4 some day. I get it, there's no date, but surely someone at CCP has thought about the PS4 conversion. They have.......watch the keynote......
It will be interesting to see how Destiny works as, last I heard, it will be cross-platform and cross-generation. Of course, they have also said that players will only see 'pockets' of other players to avoid mobs in certain areas so they can probably segregate the platforms that way.
Im still concerned about how Dust can actually evolve on the PS3. I would be much more comfortable if CCP said that they actually believe that they can implement more MMO, PvE and larger matches within the constraints of the PS3. Just adding new content and tweaks here and there is not going to keep the game alive in the long run.
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lol, tbh I'm happy it doesn't come for PS4 in the next time.
Yesterday I was able to hold the new controllers, and believe me you really do not wanna play an ego shooter with that super-tiny-mini sticks, especially in a game like dust where you can get lost finding "your" perfect sensitivity settings.
another one bites the Dust...
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Vrain Matari
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Posted - 2013.11.12 17:27:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:someone asked about CCP's plans for PS4 and the guy mentioned that there are 80M PS3's out there so their "laser focus" is on the ps3. Seriously.....CCP has no plans or intentions on converting to the PS4.
That worries me because it touches on the common sense of the people who are building this game. There are 80M PS3's out there because the PS4 has not yet been released. The PS4 is debuting at only $399...that is less than new model cellphones when they hit the market. Why does CCP think that people won't buy the PS4? How many people still play on their PS2's??
The PS3 is going to be a dead system in a matter of months and CCP has a few years plan on it? That worries me because how do they not see that pushing for the PS3 is a fail idea? As much as I enjoy dust.....no way will I be unhooking my PS4 and then hooking up my PS3 for a pc match or to cap each week. I won't be getting the PS4 at launch but it won't be too long after that. I'm not going to be going through that trouble of switching systems just to log onto dust. I already have too much congestion with my pc, ps3, Hauppauge, cell phone charger, internet router, etc. I have to use two extension cords......something will give. Snaps fingers> YOU GO GURL! LOL ! just got up, thanks for that Now on the matter of PS4. ( Btw, anything i say here is pure speculation and personal opinion. We never had any info about that as CPM even though i asked a few times ) I wont ever get out of my head the fact that developing dust on PS3 was a major mistake at first. Considering how bitchy it is to develop on it, and ESPECIALLY when it is your first console game as a dev studio. Also, end of life etc... Now, i dont think it's even a possibility to start porting the game to PS4 now for the sole reason that it would cost a lost and probably kill the game in the mean time considering the fixes the game needs vs coding time needed to port the game vs total manpower. Problem is, if you need money to make the game better, and go PS4. Well, you'll need to have people playing. And over the coming years, less and less players will stick with PS3. Especially FPS players ! So less and less potential customers. So less and less money to invest in upgrading the game. What i'd love to though for near future is for CCP to at least work with Gaikai to make the current game available to be played on PS4. Would be a way to benefit from the tiny line up for PS4 and allow people to carry on playing while changing their system. Though i have no idea how time consuming it would be to do so. Lol no. If there is one thing this game does not need its the additional input delay that Gaikai comes with.
I've been poking around on google trying to find out if there is anything in DUST that would prevent Gaikai serving DUST.
Things like connections to the battleservers, Tranquility and the Vivox voiceservers. Or CREST, or other things.
Input lag and image quality was one of the things i worried about, but here's an example of a multiplayer FPS looking pretty good on Gaikai:
Hawken on Gaikai
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TcuBe3
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:14:00 -
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It's as if CCP says " We will port Dust 514 to ps4" all of you will have a sigh of relief.
What makes you think they will follow through with it.
CCP can tell us many things but until I see them I will not anticipate them so that I am not disappointed when my hopes and dreams are crushed!
Furthermore, few of us are business men or PR representatives so our perspective is that of a consumer, not a developer.
Just because ps4 is the new hotness it doesn't make it a cost effective or sound business decision to port it over right away.
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:39:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:As much as I enjoy dust.....no way will I be unhooking my PS4 and then hooking up my PS3 for a pc match or to cap each week.
 All lies! You dont enjoy Dust!
Hey Dubs. Do what Im gonna do;- im gonna hook up my PS4 and PS3 to the same TV. Im gonna load my Dust game. Jump on the ground and go hide in some corner, Just keep clicking the fire button. AFK with style bro while you play KZSF 
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:39:00 -
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TcuBe3 wrote:
If you think Dust 514 will die with the PS 4 then quit logging in, give away your isk and stop logging in to the forums.
My ISK! I aint giving it up! And trolling forums is fun  !
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IgniteableAura
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:42:00 -
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Im not too worried about dusts evolution. Zipper was able to throw 256 players in a single game, that was >5 years ago. Dust will get there. Just will take some time. They wouldn't be doing it if it was a "dead end"
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:27:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:The question I have is why the hell can't i play it on the PS3 and PS4 if it so easy to part?
Why make me pick between them(PS3&4) if i choose to upgrade and only want one plugin my wall?
Can't we/CCP/Dust have a much bigger player base if we don't need to choose.
it isnt going to be easy to port
in order to make all this madness fit within unreal 3 on the ps3, ccp has had to heavily gut and modify unreal 3
it isnt going to be a straight port, or even a moderately difficult one, it's going to be a hell of a port
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I had a PS1 and PS2 but I didn't by a PS3 until 9 months ago. The idea that everyone will switch immediately is a fallacy.
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With the required time investment to get the DUST PS3 functionality right, moving to the PS4 before they have a exponential player dropoff seems unavoidable.
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TcuBe3
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Posted - 2013.11.15 05:51:00 -
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I think there is some confusion about CCP's intentions.
It's my speculation that they would rather have a couple thousand die hard fans who will keep buying aur and supporting the community than have a massive million strong fan base who have no brand loyalty and will move on to the next "new shiny thing".
I believe that CCP is tailoring thier product to a niche market of consumers who they are trying to get to stick around, all the others that are jumping ship are missing out.
This game rewards patience, I doubt most dust players will leave just because of the PS4 but do question how many new players we will start to see trickle out of the academy.
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