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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.01 15:44:00 -
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Harpyja, can you link your spreadsheet? |
Harpyja
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
671
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Posted - 2013.11.01 15:46:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Harpyja, can you link your spreadsheet? I'll try, but it's on excel. Plus I'm going to remake it as mentioned in the OP now.
Edit: I'll see if I can link it this evening, central US time
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1576
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Posted - 2013.11.01 15:47:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Yeah, you can also rail snipe with a tank full of complex PG and CPU upgrade modules HOWEVER in which suit do you want to face your opponent, the one posted by you or a state of the art ck0? @ Takahiro KashukenI was the one laughing the rest of the evening at you, lol. Also, remember when you gave me your tank and raged again? It is always you raging and being butthurt, little prince. The Ck.0 of course. But the fit that I posted is decent. You've got a decent amount of HP, a great Primary, a good Sidearm, a useful Grenade, and REs that can come in handy for Letter defence, or even taking out Proto suits. All for 99k ISK. Sure if I had the choice, I'd go with a Ck.0. Who wouldn't? Yeah, see, we have no ck0 right now. :) Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Why would i give you a tank? oh yes just to see how bad you are with it and guess what it got blown up because you are that bad
Frankly why are you in tank threads? Actually, it was more a taking by me than giving by you. Made me laugh so hard seeing you jump out of that tank and let me drive away. I love the fact that you come here to protect your little lover from me. You two are one of the reasons I'm here.
So i have a stalker then, if you are going to be a stalker can you actually get good 1st |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
289
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Posted - 2013.11.01 15:49:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Harpyja, can you link your spreadsheet? I'll try, but it's on excel. Plus I'm going to remake it as mentioned in the OP now. Edit: I'll see if I can link it this evening, central US time
Would be great .. I have one, don't know from whom, but it'S PG and CPU calculation is wrong. That's why I asked.
@Takahiro Kashuken I don't stalk you, you are just easy lulz every day. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1576
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Posted - 2013.11.01 15:55:00 -
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I dont stalk you she says
I didnt reply to anyone in this thread and automatically you get butthurt by me posting something and start following me
Sure you dont |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
289
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:08:00 -
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The majority of your posts in this thread is mainly directed towards me, I just spend two secs at the end of every post to keep you motivated to go on, my little prince. ^.- |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
559
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:19:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:so if I reinvest the same SP Shouldn't you have said **Spoiler Alert** |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
290
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:21:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:so if I reinvest the same SP Shouldn't you have said **Spoiler Alert**
Nice find! :D
IWS talks too much :S |
Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
185
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:22:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:so if I reinvest the same SP Shouldn't you have said **Spoiler Alert**
Would be a bit ridiculous if they didn't refund SP after changing the tree like they have. I think it is a safe bet that you will be getting that SP sunk into vehicles back. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
560
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:28:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:so if I reinvest the same SP Shouldn't you have said **Spoiler Alert** Would be a bit ridiculous if they didn't refund SP after changing the tree like they have. I think it is a safe bet that you will be getting that SP sunk into vehicles back. They only need to refund skills they are removing. |
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
185
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:32:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:so if I reinvest the same SP Shouldn't you have said **Spoiler Alert** Would be a bit ridiculous if they didn't refund SP after changing the tree like they have. I think it is a safe bet that you will be getting that SP sunk into vehicles back. They only need to refund skills they are removing.
And if you will notice Changes that would be all of them. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1576
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:37:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:so if I reinvest the same SP Shouldn't you have said **Spoiler Alert** Would be a bit ridiculous if they didn't refund SP after changing the tree like they have. I think it is a safe bet that you will be getting that SP sunk into vehicles back. They only need to refund skills they are removing. And if you will notice Changes that would be all of them.
Also AV is being changed
If the FG gets changed ppl may want out of the FG and the fatsuit completely because lolHMG isnt good enough, ppl already want out of the SL and its only the 1st nerf is over 6+months
Expect a respec for vehicles at least but it could just be easier to give full respecs as standard until all the racial suits/weapons and vehicles are out |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
290
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:44:00 -
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If CCP acts the same as always only skills which are altered / removed / replaced are refunded. (= all vehicle skills)
AV gets nerfed, no skill changes there .. so no refund for them. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1178
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:27:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Yeah, you can also rail snipe with a tank full of complex PG and CPU upgrade modules HOWEVER in which suit do you want to face your opponent, the one posted by you or a state of the art ck0? @ Takahiro KashukenI was the one laughing the rest of the evening at you, lol. Also, remember when you gave me your tank and raged again? It is always you raging and being butthurt, little prince. You mean the one I rammed and blew up with a much lesser tank?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1178
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:29:00 -
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SiR Merks Mom wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Damn, seeing that made me sad...... Maybe we wont get to see your 15th post about tank stomping when it turns out it might not dial in right and that being said...It is an imbalance they are trying to fix....and i feel that I run into tanks all day that NEVER get killed...and sometimes i pop the same guy 4 times a match....It sounds like you just want tanks to be OP..not balanced...I can garauntee that they will be balanced one day...If you havnt noticed CCP favours infantry because it holds most of the player base including the new players, and if tanks are stomping them and they quit faster they will nerf it...or just throw aim assist on the Forge Gun. Loosing a slot is a big hit...for my vehicle...I bet putting 1 hardner/1repper/1 pate will be amost immposible to fit on a maddy..and if you can you will have militia guns on that badboy and no room for any nitro.... long story short your gonna have to be shield/guns/armour but your only gonna get 1 of those wich makes you useless. I know vehicles are not flowing right right now with the bullshit renering and such but I am simply post ing this so when 1.7 comesout i can link this post to the new posts you make about the crappy vehicles, and say I told you so since your so keen about whats gonna happen in 1.7... Just sayin...fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me....If you put your points back into the vehicles and they turn out bunk...that will be on you...skill into plasma cannons or something... You think tanks are imbalanced only because your AR can't destroy them, and they don't go pop from one volley of ADV swarms.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
290
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:42:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Yeah, you can also rail snipe with a tank full of complex PG and CPU upgrade modules HOWEVER in which suit do you want to face your opponent, the one posted by you or a state of the art ck0? @ Takahiro KashukenI was the one laughing the rest of the evening at you, lol. Also, remember when you gave me your tank and raged again? It is always you raging and being butthurt, little prince. You mean the one I rammed and blew up with a much lesser tank?
Yeah, it was a terrible fit, that's why your Militia Soma was able to kill it. You little spammy fslave. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1588
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:50:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Yeah, you can also rail snipe with a tank full of complex PG and CPU upgrade modules HOWEVER in which suit do you want to face your opponent, the one posted by you or a state of the art ck0? @ Takahiro KashukenI was the one laughing the rest of the evening at you, lol. Also, remember when you gave me your tank and raged again? It is always you raging and being butthurt, little prince. You mean the one I rammed and blew up with a much lesser tank? Yeah, it was a terrible fit, that's why your Militia Soma was able to kill it. You little spammy fslave.
The fit is perfect, its used in PC on a regular basis and kills better vehicle pilots than you
The problem is the pilot aka you
Get good scrub |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1178
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:59:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Yeah, you can also rail snipe with a tank full of complex PG and CPU upgrade modules HOWEVER in which suit do you want to face your opponent, the one posted by you or a state of the art ck0? @ Takahiro KashukenI was the one laughing the rest of the evening at you, lol. Also, remember when you gave me your tank and raged again? It is always you raging and being butthurt, little prince. You mean the one I rammed and blew up with a much lesser tank? Yeah, it was a terrible fit, that's why your Militia Soma was able to kill it. You little spammy fslave. Why do you so firmly believe that I'm not a tanker?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1178
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:01:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Yeah, you can also rail snipe with a tank full of complex PG and CPU upgrade modules HOWEVER in which suit do you want to face your opponent, the one posted by you or a state of the art ck0? @ Takahiro KashukenI was the one laughing the rest of the evening at you, lol. Also, remember when you gave me your tank and raged again? It is always you raging and being butthurt, little prince. You mean the one I rammed and blew up with a much lesser tank? Yeah, it was a terrible fit, that's why your Militia Soma was able to kill it. You little spammy fslave. The fit is perfect, its used in PC on a regular basis and kills better vehicle pilots than you The problem is the pilot aka you Get good scrub When are you getting online?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1589
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:03:00 -
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Prob now
I think we may have PC, not sure |
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Harpyja
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
675
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:14:00 -
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I have decided to remake my spreadsheet from scratch using Google drive. I can't promise a delivery time, but I hope to get it finished soon! (Either tonight US central, or over the weekend)
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
290
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:22:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:I have decided to remake my spreadsheet from scratch using Google drive. I can't promise a delivery time, but I hope to get it finished soon! (Either tonight US central, or over the weekend)
Awesome news! Good luck and make it public afterwards :D
Takahiro Kashuken wrote:my butt, it hurts so much
It was so bad, I had to destroy it. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
560
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:11:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:so if I reinvest the same SP Shouldn't you have said **Spoiler Alert** Would be a bit ridiculous if they didn't refund SP after changing the tree like they have. I think it is a safe bet that you will be getting that SP sunk into vehicles back. They only need to refund skills they are removing. And if you will notice Changes that would be all of them. I see 'CHANGES' ... could you clarify your statement though ... I see a Vehicle Command skill in there, we have that now so that's one that's not being removed ... hmm pretty sure we have a Large Missile Launcher Operation skill at the moment ... I see that in there too.
So what you're saying is ... they're removing 'all of them', but replacing them all with 'different' skills that have exactly the same name and unlock the same types of things ?
And to daishi mk03 ... vehicles and AV are being altered ... like hell you're going to offer total respecs to one side and not the other ... if light weapons (as someone wants) can only affect light vehicles, then I'll need ALL my points back to invest in Heavy suits to fulfil my primary role. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9827
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:23:00 -
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Gunnlogi Brawler
In order to brawl against infantry one must be able to weather the hurt
So blank Gunnlogi
2120 Grid 845 CPU 3 High 2 Lows
Lets start with defenses this time
Enhanced Heavy Shield Extender -216 CPU 419 Grid Enhanced Heavy Shield Extender - 216 CPU 419 Grid Enhanced Shield Hardener - 238 CPU 189 Grid
670 CPU 1027 Grid Total 516 CPU 1027 Grid After Skills (Shield optimization 3)
329 CPU 1093 Grid Remains
Now we can worry about offenses Removing both seats would give me access to
80GJ Ion Cannon (Prototype) or X-201 Missile Launcher (Prototype) or 80GJ Particle Cannon (Prototype)
Now dropping down a teir will allow me to fit a small gun but the max small guns I can get is seemingly 1.
This of course is working around trading off an armor repper or magazine.
This should work in anti-tank duties to a degree but swapping a damage mod is preferable for that. This is better built around being a sledge hammer every minute or so. Drive in blow things up drive out reload, recharge, repeat.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier Specialist
Current Theme \\=Advanced Forge Gun =// Unlocked.
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
185
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:27:00 -
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Clearly, you do not tank. The skills "name" may be the same, but what it does has changed. And the path you take to get there have as well.
For example, to unlock missiles you need to drop 5 points into turret operation. Currently, you do not need that many points to unlock missiles, like one point I think does the trick. Not to mention the variety offered with the new tree.
Seriously buddy, you seem butthurt that tankers are will get the exact number of skill points back that they put into, to drop into an even bigger SP sink. Sorry they won't be giving out a full respec, but dude, get real already.
Tanks are changing, COMPLETELY. From a tanking perspective yes, I think I should get my points back. I shouldn't have to grind out more SP when I've already had most every point I needed to have a "proto tank". |
Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
185
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:35:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Gunnlogi Brawler
In order to brawl against infantry one must be able to weather the hurt
So blank Gunnlogi
2120 Grid 845 CPU 3 High 2 Lows
Lets start with defenses this time
Enhanced Heavy Shield Extender -216 CPU 419 Grid Enhanced Heavy Shield Extender - 216 CPU 419 Grid Enhanced Shield Hardener - 238 CPU 189 Grid
670 CPU 1027 Grid Total 516 CPU 1027 Grid After Skills (Shield optimization 3)
329 CPU 1093 Grid Remains
Now we can worry about offenses Removing both seats would give me access to
80GJ Ion Cannon (Prototype) or X-201 Missile Launcher (Prototype) or 80GJ Particle Cannon (Prototype)
Now dropping down a teir will allow me to fit a small gun but the max small guns I can get is seemingly 1.
This of course is working around trading off an armor repper or magazine.
This should work in anti-tank duties to a degree but swapping a damage mod is preferable for that. This is better built around being a sledge hammer every minute or so. Drive in blow things up drive out reload, recharge, repeat.
Hmm, stacking extenders, while relying on passive regen to heal you up.
Still I'm a bit iffy on relyin solely on your passive regen. I would almost say drop that extra extender and put on a booster for the extra heals.
I myself will do the same, minus one extender and replace it with a Speed booster. People underestimate the power of speed on your tank, it is godly and what keeps my falchion alive when it is over extended in enemy territory! Besides, isn't speed kinda the key to a hit and run tactic.
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Harpyja
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
675
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:50:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Harpyja wrote:I have decided to remake my spreadsheet from scratch using Google drive. I can't promise a delivery time, but I hope to get it finished soon! (Either tonight US central, or over the weekend) Awesome news! Good luck and make it public afterwards :D Takahiro Kashuken wrote:my butt, it hurts so much It was so bad, I had to destroy it. Do you know how I can make it public but so only I can make changes? (To prevent people from griefing the spreadsheet) People would have to make their own copy in order to actually use it.
Also, so far I've copied the database for all the high power modules and began working on the skills (this won't be a skill planner unfortunately)
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
290
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:58:00 -
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You can click "File -> Share" I suppose and set options, so they can only copy it, not change it. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
560
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:17:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote: I see 'CHANGES' ... could you clarify your statement though ... I see a Vehicle Command skill in there, we have that now so that's one that's not being removed ... hmm pretty sure we have a Large Missile Launcher Operation skill at the moment ... I see that in there too.
So what you're saying is ... they're removing 'all of them', but replacing them all with 'different' skills that have exactly the same name and unlock the same types of things ?
And to daishi mk03 ... vehicles and AV are being altered ... like hell you're going to offer total respecs to one side and not the other ... if light weapons (as someone wants) can only affect light vehicles, then I'll need ALL my points back to invest in Heavy suits to fulfil my primary role.
Clearly, you do not tank. The skills "name" may be the same, but what it does has changed. And the path you take to get there have as well. For example, to unlock missiles you need to drop 5 points into turret operation. Currently, you do not need that many points to unlock missiles, like one point I think does the trick. Not to mention the variety offered with the new tree. Seriously buddy, you seem butthurt that tankers are will get the exact number of skill points back that they put into, to drop into an even bigger SP sink. Sorry they won't be giving out a full respec, but dude, get real already. Tanks are changing, COMPLETELY. From a tanking perspective yes, I think I should get my points back. I shouldn't have to grind out more SP when I've already had most every point I needed to have a "proto tank". Clearly you do ... or you wouldn't be 'butthurt' at the idea you might not get your points back to make your decisions again.
I said "They only need to refund skills they are removing." ... which still stands true. Any skills that remain don't NEED to be refunded, if their effects are changed it's called balancing, if their pre-requisites are changed this is the kind of thing that happens Eve side and there's no reason for DUST to be different.
Seriously 'buddy', just because you invested 5 million points in shield HAVs before you realised currently armour HAVs are better, doesn't mean you get the option to undo your mistakes !
I don't want OR NEED a full respec, a partial respec or a single point of SP changing from what I have now, I've spent my points where I need them and use every last one of them. New Eden is a harsh place where your decisions are final ... all these CoD kids seem to take great pleasure in saying how DUST is a joke in the console community, well it will be the joke of New Eden if it becomes the 'change your mind every 5 minutes' people like you want it to be. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1178
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:20:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote: I see 'CHANGES' ... could you clarify your statement though ... I see a Vehicle Command skill in there, we have that now so that's one that's not being removed ... hmm pretty sure we have a Large Missile Launcher Operation skill at the moment ... I see that in there too.
So what you're saying is ... they're removing 'all of them', but replacing them all with 'different' skills that have exactly the same name and unlock the same types of things ?
And to daishi mk03 ... vehicles and AV are being altered ... like hell you're going to offer total respecs to one side and not the other ... if light weapons (as someone wants) can only affect light vehicles, then I'll need ALL my points back to invest in Heavy suits to fulfil my primary role.
Clearly, you do not tank. The skills "name" may be the same, but what it does has changed. And the path you take to get there have as well. For example, to unlock missiles you need to drop 5 points into turret operation. Currently, you do not need that many points to unlock missiles, like one point I think does the trick. Not to mention the variety offered with the new tree. Seriously buddy, you seem butthurt that tankers are will get the exact number of skill points back that they put into, to drop into an even bigger SP sink. Sorry they won't be giving out a full respec, but dude, get real already. Tanks are changing, COMPLETELY. From a tanking perspective yes, I think I should get my points back. I shouldn't have to grind out more SP when I've already had most every point I needed to have a "proto tank". Clearly you do ... or you wouldn't be 'butthurt' at the idea you might not get your points back to make your decisions again. I said "They only need to refund skills they are removing." ... which still stands true. Any skills that remain don't NEED to be refunded, if their effects are changed it's called balancing, if their pre-requisites are changed this is the kind of thing that happens Eve side and there's no reason for DUST to be different. Seriously 'buddy', just because you invested 5 million points in shield HAVs before you realised currently armour HAVs are better, doesn't mean you get the option to undo your mistakes !I don't want OR NEED a full respec, a partial respec or a single point of SP changing from what I have now, I've spent my points where I need them and use every last one of them. New Eden is a harsh place where your decisions are final ... all these CoD kids seem to take great pleasure in saying how DUST is a joke in the console community, well it will be the joke of New Eden if it becomes the 'change your mind every 5 minutes' people like you want it to be. There's plenty of skills being changed as well, which I don't think you've realized yet.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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