Well, I've fit a Madrugar with all complex mods (admittedly, it'll take something like 14M SP to complete) and it should be a pretty decent brawler. I don't think anyone will have enough SP to run both right now, not really.

Gunnlogi is built for dealing damage - it'll be able to blitz basically anything with a damage-modded railgun, and O'Dell mentioned on another thread that with PRO missiles, it'll be able to hit for something like 6k DPS against Madrugars (not for long, but still). Furthermore, we'll be basically invulnerable while our countermeasures are online - 60% damage resists (for Maddy) is pretty obscene; it's not something I can get right now, in fact. If I run a complex repper with skills maxed, that's 160 HP/s, compared to my 440 now, but the hardener will expand that pretty hugely, and I'd not be surprised if I could get a buddy hand-repping me for the Guardian points.

And don't forget, they're buffing repair tools

Once you run the numbers, this comes out as a pretty nice buff, especially considering that AV is getting a nerf across the board. I'm pretty excited about the changes.

(sorry about double-post; too many quotes for one )

EDIT: Fixed another bad quote -.- apparently I need to improve my forum skills.

Shouldn't you have said **Spoiler Alert**

They only need to refund skills they are removing.

Gunnlogi Brawler

In order to brawl against infantry one must be able to weather the hurt

So blank Gunnlogi

2120 Grid
845 CPU
3 High
2 Lows

Lets start with defenses this time

Enhanced Heavy Shield Extender -216 CPU 419 Grid
Enhanced Heavy Shield Extender - 216 CPU 419 Grid
Enhanced Shield Hardener - 238 CPU 189 Grid

670 CPU 1027 Grid Total
516 CPU 1027 Grid After Skills (Shield optimization 3)

329 CPU 1093 Grid Remains

Now we can worry about offenses
Removing both seats would give me access to

80GJ Ion Cannon (Prototype)
or
X-201 Missile Launcher (Prototype)
or
80GJ Particle Cannon (Prototype)

Now dropping down a teir will allow me to fit a small gun but the max small guns I can get is seemingly 1.

This of course is working around trading off an armor repper or magazine.

This should work in anti-tank duties to a degree but swapping a damage mod is preferable for that. This is better built around being a sledge hammer every minute or so. Drive in blow things up drive out reload, recharge, repeat.

So shield HAV and Armour HAV combine to become HAV and any extra points get refunded ... lucky you ! your bad judgement gets wiped out either way.

There is ALWAYS a way ... did you read through that Eve devblog ... they completely changed the skill tree, added new pre-requisites, changed pre-requisite levels, added new skills, adjusted multipliers AND STILL managed to do it without wiping everyones arses for them.

I for one will be GLAD if there are no respecs for AV ... since 90% of people would spec out of it after the changes coming to the swarm launcher and grenades ... at least without a respec there will still be everyone and his dog pulling out AV every time you drop a HAV on the field, if only for the lolz watching you retreat to your cooldowns while knowing several other people have your retreat covered with more AV.

My problem is with people like 'the happy couple' who (certainly one of them) have said they will spec out of vehicles altogether ... what because they've been changed !? Everything in this game has been changed at one point or another.

Answer me one question daishi ... why should one section of the community be allowed to make their decisions again because their stuff is being changed, when you say nobody else should get the option even though their stuff has been changed consistently for almost a year since closed beta ?

EDIT : Damn that's weird ... I hate it when it does that ... your edit definitely wasn't there when I posted this reply, which is why I replied separately ... that and it was on a different subject matter.