DUST Search - Issue With Gunnlogi in 1.7

Tebu Gan wrote:

Needless Sacermendor wrote:

I see 'CHANGES' ... could you clarify your statement though ... I see a Vehicle Command skill in there, we have that now so that's one that's not being removed ... hmm pretty sure we have a Large Missile Launcher Operation skill at the moment ... I see that in there too.

So what you're saying is ... they're removing 'all of them', but replacing them all with 'different' skills that have exactly the same name and unlock the same types of things ?

And to daishi mk03 ... vehicles and AV are being altered ... like hell you're going to offer total respecs to one side and not the other ... if light weapons (as someone wants) can only affect light vehicles, then I'll need ALL my points back to invest in Heavy suits to fulfil my primary role.

Clearly, you do not tank. The skills "name" may be the same, but what it does has changed. And the path you take to get there have as well.

For example, to unlock missiles you need to drop 5 points into turret operation. Currently, you do not need that many points to unlock missiles, like one point I think does the trick. Not to mention the variety offered with the new tree.

Seriously buddy, you seem butthurt that tankers are will get the exact number of skill points back that they put into, to drop into an even bigger SP sink. Sorry they won't be giving out a full respec, but dude, get real already.

Tanks are changing, COMPLETELY. From a tanking perspective yes, I think I should get my points back. I shouldn't have to grind out more SP when I've already had most every point I needed to have a "proto tank".


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Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 559	Posted - 2013.11.01 16:19:00 - [1] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: so if I reinvest the same SP Shouldn't you have said Spoiler Alert
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 560	Posted - 2013.11.01 16:28:00 - [2] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: so if I reinvest the same SP Shouldn't you have said Spoiler Alert Would be a bit ridiculous if they didn't refund SP after changing the tree like they have. I think it is a safe bet that you will be getting that SP sunk into vehicles back. They only need to refund skills they are removing.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 560	Posted - 2013.11.01 19:11:00 - [3] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: so if I reinvest the same SP Shouldn't you have said Spoiler Alert Would be a bit ridiculous if they didn't refund SP after changing the tree like they have. I think it is a safe bet that you will be getting that SP sunk into vehicles back. They only need to refund skills they are removing. And if you will notice Changes that would be all of them. I see 'CHANGES' ... could you clarify your statement though ... I see a Vehicle Command skill in there, we have that now so that's one that's not being removed ... hmm pretty sure we have a Large Missile Launcher Operation skill at the moment ... I see that in there too. So what you're saying is ... they're removing 'all of them', but replacing them all with 'different' skills that have exactly the same name and unlock the same types of things ? And to daishi mk03 ... vehicles and AV are being altered ... like hell you're going to offer total respecs to one side and not the other ... if light weapons (as someone wants) can only affect light vehicles, then I'll need ALL my points back to invest in Heavy suits to fulfil my primary role.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 560	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:17:00 - [4] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: I see 'CHANGES' ... could you clarify your statement though ... I see a Vehicle Command skill in there, we have that now so that's one that's not being removed ... hmm pretty sure we have a Large Missile Launcher Operation skill at the moment ... I see that in there too. So what you're saying is ... they're removing 'all of them', but replacing them all with 'different' skills that have exactly the same name and unlock the same types of things ? And to daishi mk03 ... vehicles and AV are being altered ... like hell you're going to offer total respecs to one side and not the other ... if light weapons (as someone wants) can only affect light vehicles, then I'll need ALL my points back to invest in Heavy suits to fulfil my primary role. Clearly, you do not tank. The skills "name" may be the same, but what it does has changed. And the path you take to get there have as well. For example, to unlock missiles you need to drop 5 points into turret operation. Currently, you do not need that many points to unlock missiles, like one point I think does the trick. Not to mention the variety offered with the new tree. Seriously buddy, you seem butthurt that tankers are will get the exact number of skill points back that they put into, to drop into an even bigger SP sink. Sorry they won't be giving out a full respec, but dude, get real already. Tanks are changing, COMPLETELY. From a tanking perspective yes, I think I should get my points back. I shouldn't have to grind out more SP when I've already had most every point I needed to have a "proto tank". Clearly you do ... or you wouldn't be 'butthurt' at the idea you might not get your points back to make your decisions again. I said "They only need to refund skills they are removing." ... which still stands true. Any skills that remain don't NEED to be refunded, if their effects are changed it's called balancing, if their pre-requisites are changed this is the kind of thing that happens Eve side and there's no reason for DUST to be different. Seriously 'buddy', just because you invested 5 million points in shield HAVs before you realised currently armour HAVs are better, doesn't mean you get the option to undo your mistakes ! I don't want OR NEED a full respec, a partial respec or a single point of SP changing from what I have now, I've spent my points where I need them and use every last one of them. New Eden is a harsh place where your decisions are final ... all these CoD kids seem to take great pleasure in saying how DUST is a joke in the console community, well it will be the joke of New Eden if it becomes the 'change your mind every 5 minutes' people like you want it to be.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 560	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:49:00 - [5] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: They did the same last patch, altered a skill and refunded all SP. Hmm nothing in the patch notes, which skill was that ? See, every vehicle skill tree gets fundamentally changed and there is absolutely no way to transfer current SP into the new tree. e.g. right now we have shield HAV and armor HAV skills .. soon there will be only one skill. Same is true for upgrades and and turrets. For AV ... yeah .. there will be no skill changes afaik, only number balance. Range, dmg etc ... so no respecc there. Edit: I swear to god, SCKR4LIFE, your full quotes and quadruple posts will lead to a bitter end. So shield HAV and Armour HAV combine to become HAV and any extra points get refunded ... lucky you ! your bad judgement gets wiped out either way. There is ALWAYS a way ... did you read through that Eve devblog ... they completely changed the skill tree, added new pre-requisites, changed pre-requisite levels, added new skills, adjusted multipliers AND STILL managed to do it without wiping everyones arses for them. I for one will be GLAD if there are no respecs for AV ... since 90% of people would spec out of it after the changes coming to the swarm launcher and grenades ... at least without a respec there will still be everyone and his dog pulling out AV every time you drop a HAV on the field, if only for the lolz watching you retreat to your cooldowns while knowing several other people have your retreat covered with more AV. My problem is with people like 'the happy couple' who (certainly one of them) have said they will spec out of vehicles altogether ... what because they've been changed !? Everything in this game has been changed at one point or another. Answer me one question daishi ... why should one section of the community be allowed to make their decisions again because their stuff is being changed, when you say nobody else should get the option even though their stuff has been changed consistently for almost a year since closed beta ? EDIT : Damn that's weird ... I hate it when it does that ... your edit definitely wasn't there when I posted this reply, which is why I replied separately ... that and it was on a different subject matter.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 560	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:55:00 - [6] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Edit: I swear to god, SCKR4LIFE, your full quotes and quadruple posts will lead to a bitter end. I give up on him ... there's no point trying to debate ... he doesn't read, he just picks up on a couple of words and argues against a completely different perspective to the point you were making. He jumps in on threads and starts responding to everything that causes his dummy to land outside of his cot, rather than reading the entire thread to see how it's pregressed. and when his 'partner' isn't mentioned in a 'post your top ten players' type of thread ... ooh, he just has to !
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 561	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:10:00 - [7] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: All I read was "Your bad judgements, and stopped reading". LOL Then I'll make it simple for you ... Needless Sacermendor wrote: Answer me one question daishi ... why should one section of the community be allowed to make their decisions again because their stuff is being changed, when you say nobody else should get the option even though their stuff has been changed consistently for almost a year since closed beta ?
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 561	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:45:00 - [8] - Quote Sadly I don't think it will be possible to limit where points are spent and I have to agree there's no easy way to manage the points invested in the tree as it is being crossed over to the 1.7 changes. I've said all along that re-allocations are better than refunds when it comes to racial variants being introduced, but what they're doing here is unnecessary ... they could easily add all the changes they're making without altering the skill tree as much as they are doing ... lets face it, all they're doing is adding ammo (new skills) and changing the values and cooldowns and such on modules (which we already have) to give vehicles 'windows of opportunity' and changing slot layouts on hulls (which we already have) to allow scope to expand to proto hulls. The majority of it could have been done within the scope of the current skill tree with some minor alterations to skill bonuses (which should be handled item side rather than skill side anyway) and some new skills added. This is why Eve skills unlock stuff ... and that stuff has bonuses applied depending on your levels in various skills. I've said since early in closed beta this is the way DUST should be done too, but they still do it this way and it's flawed when you want to change stuff like this, or introduce new stuff, you have to introduce new skills if you want to apply bonuses to it ! What !!! daishi mk03 wrote: Concerning people switching to AV ... this is a strong reason to field a tank, so my infantry can massacre through all the AV guys. This is why Amarr logi suits make the best AV you don't lose an assault, you still get logistics, you still get a sidearm for defence, your only drawback is your speed which is the same for forge gun AV.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 562	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:17:00 - [9] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: I personally will continue sitting in my madrugar, shooting infantry and retreating every 45 sec behind my squad to wait for my hardener :) Except this time it'll be us blowing up the supply depots :-) lol I'll still be running my swarms I've primaried since half way through E3 build, must be over a year ago now, they were fun back then n so were vehicles, HAVs took skill and tactics to destroy but weren't impossible, dropships could be flown by anyone, rained missiles but skilled pilots could evade AV and LAVs were free quick transport that got one shotted unless you invested a bit.