DUST Search - Issue With Gunnlogi in 1.7

Needless Sacermendor wrote:

daishi mk03 wrote:

They did the same last patch, altered a skill and refunded all SP. Hmm nothing in the patch notes, which skill was that ?

See, every vehicle skill tree gets fundamentally changed and there is absolutely no way to transfer current SP into the new tree. e.g. right now we have shield HAV and armor HAV skills .. soon there will be only one skill. Same is true for upgrades and and turrets.

For AV ... yeah .. there will be no skill changes afaik, only number balance. Range, dmg etc ... so no respecc there.

Edit: I swear to god, SCKR4LIFE, your full quotes and quadruple posts will lead to a bitter end.

So shield HAV and Armour HAV combine to become HAV and any extra points get refunded ... lucky you ! your bad judgement gets wiped out either way.

There is ALWAYS a way ... did you read through that Eve devblog ... they completely changed the skill tree, added new pre-requisites, changed pre-requisite levels, added new skills, adjusted multipliers AND STILL managed to do it without wiping everyones arses for them.

I for one will be GLAD if there are no respecs for AV ... since 90% of people would spec out of it after the changes coming to the swarm launcher and grenades ... at least without a respec there will still be everyone and his dog pulling out AV every time you drop a HAV on the field, if only for the lolz watching you retreat to your cooldowns while knowing several other people have your retreat covered with more AV.

My problem is with people like 'the happy couple' who (certainly one of them) have said they will spec out of vehicles altogether ... what because they've been changed !? Everything in this game has been changed at one point or another.

Answer me one question daishi ... why should one section of the community be allowed to make their decisions again because their stuff is being changed, when you say nobody else should get the option even though their stuff has been changed consistently for almost a year since closed beta ?

EDIT : Damn that's weird ... I hate it when it does that ... your edit definitely wasn't there when I posted this reply, which is why I replied separately ... that and it was on a different subject matter.

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daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 290	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:24:00 - [91] - Quote They did the same last patch, altered a skill and refunded all SP. See, every vehicle skill tree gets fundamentally changed and there is absolutely no way to transfer current SP into the new tree. e.g. right now we have shield HAV and armor HAV skills .. soon there will be only one skill. Same is true for upgrades and and turrets. For AV ... yeah .. there will be no skill changes afaik, only number balance. Range, dmg etc ... so no respecc there.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 560	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:49:00 - [92] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: They did the same last patch, altered a skill and refunded all SP. Hmm nothing in the patch notes, which skill was that ? See, every vehicle skill tree gets fundamentally changed and there is absolutely no way to transfer current SP into the new tree. e.g. right now we have shield HAV and armor HAV skills .. soon there will be only one skill. Same is true for upgrades and and turrets. For AV ... yeah .. there will be no skill changes afaik, only number balance. Range, dmg etc ... so no respecc there. Edit: I swear to god, SCKR4LIFE, your full quotes and quadruple posts will lead to a bitter end. So shield HAV and Armour HAV combine to become HAV and any extra points get refunded ... lucky you ! your bad judgement gets wiped out either way. There is ALWAYS a way ... did you read through that Eve devblog ... they completely changed the skill tree, added new pre-requisites, changed pre-requisite levels, added new skills, adjusted multipliers AND STILL managed to do it without wiping everyones arses for them. I for one will be GLAD if there are no respecs for AV ... since 90% of people would spec out of it after the changes coming to the swarm launcher and grenades ... at least without a respec there will still be everyone and his dog pulling out AV every time you drop a HAV on the field, if only for the lolz watching you retreat to your cooldowns while knowing several other people have your retreat covered with more AV. My problem is with people like 'the happy couple' who (certainly one of them) have said they will spec out of vehicles altogether ... what because they've been changed !? Everything in this game has been changed at one point or another. Answer me one question daishi ... why should one section of the community be allowed to make their decisions again because their stuff is being changed, when you say nobody else should get the option even though their stuff has been changed consistently for almost a year since closed beta ? EDIT : Damn that's weird ... I hate it when it does that ... your edit definitely wasn't there when I posted this reply, which is why I replied separately ... that and it was on a different subject matter.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 560	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:55:00 - [93] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Edit: I swear to god, SCKR4LIFE, your full quotes and quadruple posts will lead to a bitter end. I give up on him ... there's no point trying to debate ... he doesn't read, he just picks up on a couple of words and argues against a completely different perspective to the point you were making. He jumps in on threads and starts responding to everything that causes his dummy to land outside of his cot, rather than reading the entire thread to see how it's pregressed. and when his 'partner' isn't mentioned in a 'post your top ten players' type of thread ... ooh, he just has to !
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 185	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:07:00 - [94] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: They did the same last patch, altered a skill and refunded all SP. Hmm nothing in the patch notes, which skill was that ? See, every vehicle skill tree gets fundamentally changed and there is absolutely no way to transfer current SP into the new tree. e.g. right now we have shield HAV and armor HAV skills .. soon there will be only one skill. Same is true for upgrades and and turrets. For AV ... yeah .. there will be no skill changes afaik, only number balance. Range, dmg etc ... so no respecc there. Edit: I swear to god, SCKR4LIFE, your full quotes and quadruple posts will lead to a bitter end. So shield HAV and Armour HAV combine to become HAV and any extra points get refunded ... lucky you ! your bad judgement gets wiped out either way. There is ALWAYS a way ... did you read through that Eve devblog ... they completely changed the skill tree, added new pre-requisites, changed pre-requisite levels, added new skills, adjusted multipliers AND STILL managed to do it without wiping everyones arses for them. I for one will be GLAD if there are no respecs for AV ... since 90% of people would spec out of it after the changes coming to the swarm launcher and grenades ... at least without a respec there will still be everyone and his dog pulling out AV every time you drop a HAV on the field, if only for the lolz watching you retreat to your cooldowns while knowing several other people have your retreat covered with more AV. My problem is with people like 'the happy couple' who (certainly one of them) have said they will spec out of vehicles altogether ... what because they've been changed !? Everything in this game has been changed at one point or another. Answer me one question daishi ... why should one section of the community be allowed to make their decisions again because their stuff is being changed, when you say nobody else should get the option even though their stuff has been changed consistently for almost a year since closed beta ? EDIT : Damn that's weird ... I hate it when it does that ... your edit definitely wasn't there when I posted this reply, which is why I replied separately ... that and it was on a different subject matter. All I read was "Your bad judgements, and stopped reading". LOL
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 561	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:10:00 - [95] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: All I read was "Your bad judgements, and stopped reading". LOL Then I'll make it simple for you ... Needless Sacermendor wrote: Answer me one question daishi ... why should one section of the community be allowed to make their decisions again because their stuff is being changed, when you say nobody else should get the option even though their stuff has been changed consistently for almost a year since closed beta ?
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 290	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:17:00 - [96] - Quote Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is good to give a full respec for vehicle SP. Just to elaborate my point a bit: Right now I've skilled Vehicle Command -> Gallente LAV -> Gallente HAV I never wanted the LAV skill, I had to take it to get the HAV skill. What to do in 1.7? GIve me both, give me only HAV .. ? With the other skill trees it is even more complicated, since they change radically .. many skills won't even exist in 1.7 anymore (or will be added later again) I personally would think a full SP refund of those three trees (command, upgrades, turrets) would be okay, if everybody has to spend those SP into the new vehicle trees. This would still allow to change from tank to dropship or whatever, but prohibit people to put those SP into new dropsuits, weapons ... (and I know plenty of people who think they get 10m+ SP back and can skill the new weapons immediately) However, I don't know whether this is technically possible. As for AV, not giving them a respec is fine .. people choose av, people killed vehicles with it .. and it will be the same in the future (only less damage) To the one point with people switching to AV ... this is a strong reason to field a tank, so my infantry can massacre through all the AV guys.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 561	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:45:00 - [97] - Quote Sadly I don't think it will be possible to limit where points are spent and I have to agree there's no easy way to manage the points invested in the tree as it is being crossed over to the 1.7 changes. I've said all along that re-allocations are better than refunds when it comes to racial variants being introduced, but what they're doing here is unnecessary ... they could easily add all the changes they're making without altering the skill tree as much as they are doing ... lets face it, all they're doing is adding ammo (new skills) and changing the values and cooldowns and such on modules (which we already have) to give vehicles 'windows of opportunity' and changing slot layouts on hulls (which we already have) to allow scope to expand to proto hulls. The majority of it could have been done within the scope of the current skill tree with some minor alterations to skill bonuses (which should be handled item side rather than skill side anyway) and some new skills added. This is why Eve skills unlock stuff ... and that stuff has bonuses applied depending on your levels in various skills. I've said since early in closed beta this is the way DUST should be done too, but they still do it this way and it's flawed when you want to change stuff like this, or introduce new stuff, you have to introduce new skills if you want to apply bonuses to it ! What !!! daishi mk03 wrote: Concerning people switching to AV ... this is a strong reason to field a tank, so my infantry can massacre through all the AV guys. This is why Amarr logi suits make the best AV you don't lose an assault, you still get logistics, you still get a sidearm for defence, your only drawback is your speed which is the same for forge gun AV.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 290	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:01:00 - [98] - Quote Just think of people who unlocked and/or leveled up enforcers ... they'll have to get 1m+ SP back. However, I hope that they follow your idea and preserve as much decisions as possible, by allocating SP to the appropriate "new" skills. Could work on vehicle upgrades. For turrets ... e.g. how to split up those points in hybrid turrets? If they can allocate something like 50% of the SP and not refund all, this would already be great success. I personally will continue sitting in my madrugar, shooting infantry and retreating every 45 sec behind my squad to wait for my hardener :)
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 562	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:17:00 - [99] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: I personally will continue sitting in my madrugar, shooting infantry and retreating every 45 sec behind my squad to wait for my hardener :) Except this time it'll be us blowing up the supply depots :-) lol I'll still be running my swarms I've primaried since half way through E3 build, must be over a year ago now, they were fun back then n so were vehicles, HAVs took skill and tactics to destroy but weren't impossible, dropships could be flown by anyone, rained missiles but skilled pilots could evade AV and LAVs were free quick transport that got one shotted unless you invested a bit.


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