Your logi will never be able to compete with the scout's passive scan range, and profile dampening.

Your logi will never be able to compete with the scout's passive scan range, and profile dampening.

Your logi will never be able to compete with the scout's passive scan range, and profile dampening.

Profile dampening is easily negligible, all they need is to get that below 28, which is doable if they wanted a scout build

Now the new changes to passive scans will not be able to be breached by the logi

Also the new buff the heavy armor will help the heavy separate itself from the logi,

If you're asking this question, you have no attention for detail.

see this is one of those "profound" internet comments that suggests the author has some deep understanding of the game the reader will never attain...

try posting in some details yourself since you pay such close attention to them...

Just check my post history. I have better comments in better logi vs assault topics, I'm getting a bit tired of repeating myself.

Or you could just read any of the last dozen logi whine threads instead of making a new one and rehashing the same tired old arguments.

Just check my post history. I have better comments in better logi vs assault topics, I'm getting a bit tired of repeating myself.

Yup, because, ya'know, logis NEED the health of a heavy to support the team.

Please explain to me WHY logis need that much potential HP/speed/scanning/support capabilities?

*Makes a brick tanked logi build w/ active scanner*

That takes care of the heavy and scout scout class!

*Calls in militia LAV*

Well, there you go! A logi build that encompasses the entirety of all the classes in DUST!

Cosgar, look.

Normalize slot count between the assault and logi, give logis a blanket bongs that actually helps true logibros such as yourself, and we are all happy.

The super salts go back to normal salts, true logis get a befitting bonus, scouts and heavys maintain their niche.

Even if the scouts and heavies need a little buff in their own niche, at least they are the only ones who can preform that niche.

That's like saying nerf assaults because they're better slayers than commandos and nerfing all the other weapons because the plasma cannon is a piece of ****.

if youre getting tired of talking about the topic then what are you doing posting in my thread...

either add something to the conversation or don't waste your time... but I cant take you seriously with your nose stuck so far up in the air...

And here we go with another one. You can check my post history in better topics with better arguments and even better counter arguments on why logi > assault isn't true, but I'll break it down like this: If you fit a logistics suit to be fully tanked at the cost of equipment, it's gimped down to a slightly tankier, more expensive assault suit that doesn't have a sidearm. Sure, it might win a couple of 1v1 engagements, but Dust is a team based game, that's why we have squads and that's why we have heavy suits- to enforce the teamwork dynamic.

This logistics vs assault drama has long been resolved when the CaLogi was nerfed. Back then, the CaLogi could have the highest buffer through its racial bonus, while still having an insane fitting flexibility thanks to its larger CPU/PG pool. Shield vs armor imbalance at the time also made the CaLogi more dominant as well over the other logistics suits- in fact, the Amarr actually needed a buff at the time. The killer bees died with the CaLogi, but people still complain because they want to blame something for their own shortcomings because through mental gymnastics, they believe that they can do no wrong. I die to assaults all the time, but I don't cry about it on the forums because the suit doesn't make the man.

Are the assault's bonuses underwhelming? Depends on who you ask. Is there room for improvement through better assault bonuses? Ask any Gallente or Amarr assault if they shield tank. Scouts and heavies? Do I really need to ask? Is nerfing logistics the answer? Hell no! All it's going to do is screw over another niche role and if you look around, we have enough of that. I don't know what the other suits need, because frankly, I don't use them and it would be better for those users to look for ways to improve them instead of complaining about a role they don't play because they rather drag it down to their standards. This kind of nerf everything logic is like if I posted a topic to nerf all the other weapons because the plasma cannon sucks.

You keep bringing up this idea that logis have drawbacks that can be covered up with modules and then using that to say they're the best at everything. Totally ignoring the fact that if you use a module to cover that weakness, you're not using that slot to max out your HP anymore. Suddenly the assault suit has more tank than you. The fact that many people have pointed this out and you continue to repeat this terrible argument is simply stunning.

This is how fitting works. You can brick tank, you can be fast, you can stack damage mods, or you can carry high level deployables. No suit can do all of these at once, and if you think the logistics suits can then I want some of whatever you're smoking because it must be pretty good.

if you really need that extra 80 HP then lol. ok.

Fact is, the logi is a better defender than the assault suit, but it isn't as good at 'assaulting' because it doesn't have a backup weapon and it's slow. Yeah, a tanked logi will beat an assault in a straight up spreadsdheet battle, but an assault who plays like an assault can outmanuever long enough to get that 0.1 second headstart and nullify any 80hp advantage a logi may have.

Plus, assaults get more relevant bonuses to their suits.

Deal with it or play CoD.

That's like saying nerf assaults because they're better slayers than commandos and nerfing all the other weapons because the plasma cannon is a piece of ****.

but not by enough to make a real impact on the field...

scout scanning doesn't win battles or accrue many WPs

heavies may have more ehp now but they are still slow as turtles... and the only place turtles win races is in the storybooks...
ill take my caldari tanked suit I fit with all complex extenders 1 enhanced dmg mod and all bpo militia plates for a total of 1029 ehp
or fit a few enhanced plates and eek out about 1200 ehp over the heavies extra few hundred, plus I can fit triage hives and some remotes for an even larger advantage over the heavy...

Im just not seeing a convincing argument to run anything but a logi unless youre a masochist...

The PC came prenerfed. The assholes among us couldn't really hurt it anymore then what was done.

The commando is getting buffed. It didn't fit where it originated from. Heavy frames don't have the same EHP is med frames, and the saw it and fixed it.

The logi does fit together with the other to med frame styles, the basic and assault frame.

900 HP which the assaults can reach with a reasonably fit has nothing on the 1200 logis can achieve.

Logis may move slower, but since the two suits fight within the same range, that doesn't quite matter.

You seem to be angry that we are bringing this major balance issue up again.

Would you rather logis still have such a large bonus over assaults that they have simlar HP values to heavies?

If you are a true logi as you say, then why does having equal values to assaults bother you?

I'm a proto Cal Logi skilling into a proto Cal Assault suit because once hives/uplinks etc. are deployed, it's much easier to kill using an assault suit than a logi suit. The extra stamina, speed, and sidearm make a huge difference, not to mention the shorter shield recharge delay and higher regen rate on the Cal Assault vs. Cal Logi.

It is better for my play style (surprise flanking w/dampeners) to use the Cal Assault, but if you're the type of player that just trades rounds with the opponent and wins by nature of more EHP, then a brick tanked logi fit might be better for you.

or I could add my voice to the cacophony cries for better balance in this game...

that's what the forums are for, and if you agree with me then your just being a troll.

if you disagree then you should tirelessly defend your stance...

you've been around for awhile, you know how things work here...

flood the forums with threads of a topic and you have a 50/50 chance ccp does something...

remain silent .... and you have a 50/50 chance ccp does something....lol

we are on the same side, we want an awesome game here, so quit being patronizing and participate...

If you're asking this question, you have no attention for detail.

I"m not disagreeing that the scale is tipped towards the logi, it is. Heavies, assaults, and scouts in their respective threads all complain about their role being invaded by the logi, which is why logi defenders are tired, because they get it from all sides.

I'm all for an equipment based class that can fight, I'm no light weapon slot thief

Assault vs Logi in my mind is fine once you fix Assault racials by giving them a free light weapon complex damage mod or equivalent offensive utility.

Heavy v Logi is on a per see basis after the changes, heavy racials need work too

Scout v Logi is mainly the scout lacking unique utility to have any specific need for one

I really like your idea of giving a passive +10 to dmg that would help make a viable difference between salts and logis still,
even with a passive boost like that, as a logi stands now, ill still take 3 equipment slots and 10% less dmg, if that's the only difference... logis need a defining draw back that make running them or not a real choice based on advantage to disadvantage...

I challenge anyone to name one disadvantage of running a logi suit....

And it goes on and on.

Have you got any 'balance' ideas? that kick in the face still looks good to me if you remember what I mean by that lol.

Yup, because, ya'know, logis NEED the health of a heavy to support the team.

Please explain to me WHY logis need that much potential HP/speed/scanning/support capabilities?

*Makes a brick tanked logi build w/ active scanner*

That takes care of the heavy and scout scout class!

*Calls in militia LAV*

Well, there you go! A logi build that encompasses the entirety of all the classes in DUST!

Cosgar, look.

Normalize slot count between the assault and logi, give logis a blanket bongs that actually helps true logibros such as yourself, and we are all happy.

The super salts go back to normal salts, true logis get a befitting bonus, scouts and heavys maintain their niche.

Even if the scouts and heavies need a little buff in their own niche, at least they are the only ones who can preform that niche.

No stop trying to nerf something because it kills you

The only issue is assault scrubs using logi suits and not filling the equip slots so they can fit proto everything else, the real solution to this is to just make all the equipment slots to have to be filled

Look at the dropsuit builder the cal logi has serious problems fitting proto equipment since the cpu and pg nerf .. you basically have to use proto cpu enhancer proto pg enhancer drop your weap to adv, use a couple of adv modules just to use the top tier equipment even with maximum core skills and if you were to reduce the cpu and pg and reduce the slots on it then even with the 50% bonus potentially 75% it will basically kill the suit and make it useless ... the proto equip uses a lot of cpu and pg and even with a 75% reduction you are talking about alot of cpu and pg ... so really you;d have to remove cpu and pg entirely from equipment, remove equipment slots from ALL OTHER SUITS to justify the huge nerfs you've suggested

When used as a logi suit they logi suits are perfectly fine as they are .. the real problem as i've said is assaults dropping equipment and using proto mods in the other slots your idea to fix the logi suits will break them ..