I am inclined to agree, but what do armour tankers put in their midslots? Shield modules?
That makes brick tanking literally the only option for armour tankers, as well as stripping one of their main advantages from them.

Pretty simple thread, damage mods have been a problem for a very long time by their very nature they upset infantry combat to the point weapons are balanced with them in mind leaving some weapons weakened without their use ( see sniper&MD)

This mod turns good weapons into nasty weapons and nasty weapons into op weapons they need to be removed and all weapons modified to compensate they add nothing to infantry combat but frustration.

There's more to high slots then damage mods and shields sir, they just need to be used.

There's more to high slots then damage mods and shields sir, they just need to be used.

Such as what? Myofibril stimulants?

Indeed, you joke but they are indeed a fun mod to play with.

Range and precision mods, a staple of the galente, are also an option on top of shield extenders/rechargers and it's variants.

It would be nice if passive scanning worked, yes.

Myofibrils really don't work with armour tanking. They require you to get in close, which requires a high speed, yet armour slows you down? Also, how often do they really prove themselves useful?

Indeed, you joke but they are indeed a fun mod to play with.

Range and precision mods, a staple of the galente, are also an option on top of shield extenders/rechargers and it's variants.

I'm getting the strong feeling that you don't armor tank with what you're saying.

I also play as a galente assault on a friends character (actually I use his characters for test often now that I'm thinking about it) so I can keep myself informed on my opposite tank.

Playstyle is different for all sir.

Okay. Armour hardener modules for high slots then please.

Limit damage mods to one per suit only. Make speed, stamina, range amplifiers, dampener, hacking, and precision high and low slot capable, but if you put them in one side, they are blocked from the other side until they are removed. Split cpu and pg one high one low.

As it stands, armor tanked suits can either do high damage, high armor suits, dual tank, or sacrifice armor for any of the other mods. Shield tanks have more freedom to mix and match all of the rest of the mods freely, except high damage unless the take away from their main stay tank.

These fixes would bring us a big step closer to balance amongst suits, as well as open up and greatly diversify our individual set ups. We would get to play the game the way we truly want tto play.

I honestly don't understand why the Powergrid AND CPU enhancer module are both in low slots (btw the CPU enhancer has no negative affect besides using a slot)

So there's that as well.

I'd be nice if I could choose to have the scanning in highslots. Precision module is useful but stacking them when you can already detect ADV gear (the norm) is kind of silly unless the suit is built to detect stealth scouts.

I'd just like to have something other than Myofybril plates (because fat ass Gallente Med suits can't run around like that) and damage mods.

And shield hardeners for the lows?

i suggested this just the other day

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117220&find=unread

And shield hardeners for the lows?

Pretty simple thread, damage mods have been a problem for a very long time by their very nature they upset infantry combat to the point weapons are balanced with them in mind leaving some weapons weakened without their use ( see sniper&MD)

This mod turns good weapons into nasty weapons and nasty weapons into op weapons they need to be removed and all weapons modified to compensate they add nothing to infantry combat but frustration.

Pretty simple thread, damage mods have been a problem for a very long time by their very nature they upset infantry combat to the point weapons are balanced with them in mind leaving some weapons weakened without their use ( see sniper&MD)

This mod turns good weapons into nasty weapons and nasty weapons into op weapons they need to be removed and all weapons modified to compensate they add nothing to infantry combat but frustration.

Pretty simple thread, damage mods have been a problem for a very long time by their very nature they upset infantry combat to the point weapons are balanced with them in mind leaving some weapons weakened without their use ( see sniper&MD)

This mod turns good weapons into nasty weapons and nasty weapons into op weapons they need to be removed and all weapons modified to compensate they add nothing to infantry combat but frustration.

I am inclined to agree, but what do armour tankers put in their midslots? Shield modules?
That makes brick tanking literally the only option for armour tankers, as well as stripping one of their main advantages from them.

I dont think they should go.

Maybe they just need drawbacks.

And shield hardeners for the lows?

^THIS

Maybe with the extra damage you could loose something like 5-10m on effective/optimal range? That way people not using damage mods can still get the upper hand with a little distance.

This could work for all equipment and modules. Maybe things like armor reppers or nano hives give you a speed penalty; further forcing a logi to play a support role, rather than a crazy assault as most do.

Pretty simple thread, damage mods have been a problem for a very long time by their very nature they upset infantry combat to the point weapons are balanced with them in mind leaving some weapons weakened without their use ( see sniper&MD)

This mod turns good weapons into nasty weapons and nasty weapons into op weapons they need to be removed and all weapons modified to compensate they add nothing to infantry combat but frustration.

I don't know about that....I have to sacrifice about 200 hp of shields for about 22% more damage, that is a lot. You kill faster, but you also die faster.

There's more to high slots then damage mods and shields sir, they just need to be used.

I dont think they should go.
Maybe they just need drawbacks.

I still don't understand why logis are support when they carry light weapons, (IMO) they should carry two sidearms to better support there teammates up close but that's just my view on it.

Pretty simple thread, damage mods have been a problem for a very long time by their very nature they upset infantry combat to the point weapons are balanced with them in mind leaving some weapons weakened without their use ( see sniper&MD)

This mod turns good weapons into nasty weapons and nasty weapons into op weapons they need to be removed and all weapons modified to compensate they add nothing to infantry combat but frustration.

I still don't understand why logis are support when they carry light weapons, (IMO) they should carry two sidearms to better support there teammates up close but that's just my view on it.

I dont think they should go.

Maybe they just need drawbacks.

There's more to high slots then damage mods and shields sir, they just need to be used.

There's more to high slots then damage mods and shields sir, they just need to be used.

Oh pray, do tell.

I don't know about that....I have to sacrifice about 200 hp of shields for about 22% more damage, that is a lot. You kill faster, but you also die faster.

I still don't understand why logis are support when they carry light weapons, (IMO) they should carry two sidearms to better support there teammates up close but that's just my view on it.

I've already explained my views on this sir.

I am inclined to agree, but what do armour tankers put in their midslots? Shield modules?
That makes brick tanking literally the only option for armour tankers, as well as stripping one of their main advantages from them.

Pretty simple thread, damage mods have been a problem for a very long time by their very nature they upset infantry combat to the point weapons are balanced with them in mind leaving some weapons weakened without their use ( see sniper&MD)

This mod turns good weapons into nasty weapons and nasty weapons into op weapons they need to be removed and all weapons modified to compensate they add nothing to infantry combat but frustration.

But then Gallente suits would lose their crutch

damage mods upset infantry combat to the point weapons are balanced with them in mind leaving some weapons weakened without their use ( see sniper&MD)

This mod turns good weapons into nasty weapons and nasty weapons into op weapons they need to be removed and all weapons modified to compensate they add nothing to infantry combat but frustration.

Scanners, damage control units, nitro

And shield hardeners for the lows?

weakness to explosions .

Damage mods are fine. They create an interesting dynamic where you choose between tank/gank/utillity. The problem is TTK is too short for most weapons, which nullifies the importance of gear. This should be addressed by removing the 10% weapon damage buff at the release of Uprising. Some weapons may need to be buffed back afterwards, but this is a much better solution.

Change the cost to:

10 000 basic

20 000 enh

30 000 complex

Let's see how many dudes run 3 complex dam mods an proto AR when that alone will cost like 150000.

Just fixed the game, your welcome.

Change the cost to:

10 000 basic

20 000 enh

30 000 complex

Let's see how many dudes run 3 complex dam mods an proto AR when that alone will cost like 150000.

Just fixed the game, your welcome.

While we are at it, how about removing all shields and armour modules?

That reminds me. Proto things are too cheap. A proto suit+ proto weapon should run someone 400k isk alone. A fully fitted suit should be ~500k.

You're just crazy i think.
Don't forget than now a single Militia Assault rifle can Melt 1500hP actually everybody has some too high DPS so a protosuit can be killed in less than a sec....

And it will make everybody in sniper from mcc...

But then Gallente suits would lose their crutch

*fixed


To be honest, no matter what you remove, or add, they will always be some people crying over something. This is the trouble with games that offer different style of play.... Some people cant picture other play styles....

Totally disagree. CCP just threw a bunch of modules into the game that they have not spent a second thinking about (you can see that in the overabundance of useless UP modules as well as any number of other examples to support this) and ended up with a game where there is only one way to do it 'right'. Run a tanked logi with AR.

Pretty simple thread, damage mods have been a problem for a very long time by their very nature they upset infantry combat to the point weapons are balanced with them in mind leaving some weapons weakened without their use ( see sniper&MD)

This mod turns good weapons into nasty weapons and nasty weapons into op weapons they need to be removed and all weapons modified to compensate they add nothing to infantry combat but frustration.

Not having established core mechanics is a big issue in Dust. There should be more to this game than who has the highest EHP. Scouts were useful at some point, they need to revisit what made that work and re-implement it.

Okay. Armour hardener modules for high slots then please.

They could dodge bullets.

This was caused by really fast move speeds that hurt HD.

I believe scouts should move a bit faster.

Another factor was their base scan radius. It was double the other dropsuits scan radius. Bring that back as well.

Finally, what could be considered the final nail in the scout coffin was active scanners. They WERE invisible to passive scanners, but due to the abundance if active scanners that made that capability null, scouts lost their final advantage. STD scouts should be invisible to STD scanners. ADV scouts should be invisible to ADV scanners. PRO scouts should be invisible to all scanners but the most precise ones. Scanners also shouldn't be able to do a ballerina twirl and see everybody within 100 meters


Heh, I'm not even a scout. I just pieced these issues together from the various scour threads and made my own fixes up.

Scouts need some hugz.

Let people do what they please. It's a glass cannon vs. a tank argument. Just do not balance weapons based on damage mods.

Bump

Pretty simple thread, damage mods have been a problem for a very long time by their very nature they upset infantry combat to the point weapons are balanced with them in mind leaving some weapons weakened without their use ( see sniper&MD)

This mod turns good weapons into nasty weapons and nasty weapons into op weapons they need to be removed and all weapons modified to compensate they add nothing to infantry combat but frustration.

I like damage module's there is a clear sacrifice to HP putting them on your suit...

I Would actually like an addition to damage module's known as Heat Sink's allowing laser based weaponry to acquire more heat before it fully overheats.

Pretty simple thread, damage mods have been a problem for a very long time by their very nature they upset infantry combat to the point weapons are balanced with them in mind leaving some weapons weakened without their use ( see sniper&MD)

This mod turns good weapons into nasty weapons and nasty weapons into op weapons they need to be removed and all weapons modified to compensate they add nothing to infantry combat but frustration.

Stop. Damage Mods are balanced just fine against Shield Extenders. They have never represented a legitimate balance issue in this game.

Bumping this thread just spreads misinformation.

Pretty simple thread, damage mods have been a problem for a very long time by their very nature they upset infantry combat to the point weapons are balanced with them in mind leaving some weapons weakened without their use ( see sniper&MD)

This mod turns good weapons into nasty weapons and nasty weapons into op weapons they need to be removed and all weapons modified to compensate they add nothing to infantry combat but frustration.

I am inclined to agree, but what do armour tankers put in their midslots? Shield modules?
That makes brick tanking literally the only option for armour tankers, as well as stripping one of their main advantages from them.

Make it a one time bonus
No stacking, simple as that. If the damage mods are applied as a single bonus then the actually value of the weapon would be apparent. There are other options to add to the slots, and as an added bonus people would push for more diverse modules, like ammo variants.
I know that some would prefer to do more and more damage, that is where the skill bonus comes into play. Is the CPP philosophy not skill>gear? or am i wrong on that?

they add nothing to infantry combat but frustration.

the issue isn't damage mods per say but the stacking penalties are too low and hp pools are tooo damn small fix those things and damage mods will be fine.

I dont think they should go.

Maybe they just need drawbacks.