don't blame the thread I just wanted to know if the damage from the SCR had been tested to be accurate against armor as intended.

dust has been known to get things wrong, so this could of been one of those cases.

Which I'm not saying is inaccurate and it looks very nice on paper like that

BUT

In my Heavy Suit with 506 Shields, 506 armor ONE charged shot takes me down to less than 200 armor, so explain this to me; and if you consider this not to be overpowered you have no business in a balance discussion.

Math is fine on paper, but you need to be looking at the performance of the weapon in the game.

This is not dungeons and dragons.

Yes, Scr Rifles are overpowered.

Yes, Everyone now knows it.

Yes they are rapidly becoming the flavor of the month as more and more tryhards have caught wind of this.

Scr Rifle user: "But, they have overheat"

Me: "But, you alpha 89% of my HP with one shot"

don't blame the thread I just wanted to know if the damage from the SCR had been tested to be accurate against armor as intended.

dust has been known to get things wrong, so this could of been one of those cases.

I do in fact think the SCR is broken, but I also think the AR is broken as well, I neither care nor complain since I have enough SP to spec into what ever i want and yes once I get my current targets complete I will spec into the SCR as well unless the combat rifle and rail rifle are out by then.

Which I'm not saying is inaccurate and it looks very nice on paper like that

BUT

In my Heavy Suit with 506 Shields, 506 armor ONE charged shot takes me down to less than 200 armor, so explain this to me; and if you consider this not to be overpowered you have no business in a balance discussion.

Math is fine on paper, but you need to be looking at the performance of the weapon in the game.

This is not dungeons and dragons.

As Tiberius stated, this is about perception. Given that someone can volley a charged shot and about 2-3 regular shots in about half a second it might just be that you are noticing the depletion with a delay.

Also, is this in a strict 1v1 scenario or is there the possibility that you are being engaged by multiple opponents? There has been an instance where I thought I was one shotted by a Militia AR but it was the fact that the AR user was lucky enough to squeeze the trigger the same time as I got head shotted by a Charge Sniper rifle. Without actual data (which CCP wont give us) all of this information is circumstantial and subjective.

Also, the reason that some people seem like easy kills for an SCR is that many are still using cheap fits that are still leaning very much toward shield tanking.

Lets say you have a 500 EHP Caldari Assault that has 380 Shields and 120 Armor.

Without the charged shot you can probably get around 8 shots off.

Standard Shot 1 - 106 damage (274 shield remaining, 120 armor)
Standard Shot 2 - 106 damage (168 shield remaining, 120 armor)
Standard Shot 3 - 106 damage (62 shield remaining, 120 armor)
Standard Shot 4 - 106 damage (0 shield remaining, 76 armor) *used full shield dmg for easier math
Standard Shot 5 - 71 damage (0 shield remaining, 5 armor)
Standard Shot 6 - DEAD

Anything less than that as far as EHP and its like tearing through a wet paper bag.

And my math does not even account for a headshot bonus to damage.

You call it "skill ceiling" I call it "players flocking to OP weapons"

Surely DUST players would never do such a thing!

I do know the difference between getting shot once and getting shot 3 times...just saying.

Im pretty sure that there is a difference between shield/armor from experience as I have more trouble with gallente, amarr and heavies than with caldari and minnies. However, I am not sure if their math is accurate in terms of carryover damage (when a shot depletes shields and remaining damage goes to armor)

Yes it is a strict 1 v 1 scenario.

The fact that the Scr Rifle can take 2 or 3 shots immediately after a charged shot is ridiculous in and of itself.

"Heat build up? What heat build up"

Seriously, I'm not even talking about a guy using it with an Amarr suit, its just *sighs*

I know none of the Scr Rifle users will ever really admit to their precious being overpowered, kinda like the 1.0 Tac Ar Turbo controller users defending their broken ****.

I was thinking this could be where the problem is occurring as well.

If the Scr Rifle starts in shields, is it bugged to the effect of the shield bonus carrying over into the damage to armor.

Where as if the Scr Rifle starts in armor, it does it's proper damage to armor.

Yes it is a strict 1 v 1 scenario.

The fact that the Scr Rifle can take 2 or 3 shots immediately after a charged shot is ridiculous in and of itself.

"Heat build up? What heat build up"

Seriously, I'm not even talking about a guy using it with an Amarr suit, its just *sighs*

I know none of the Scr Rifle users will ever really admit to their precious being overpowered, kinda like the 1.0 Tac Ar Turbo controller users defending their broken ****.

Scrambler Rifles are amazing 1v1 weapons, able to pick of individual targets from medium to long ranges, but engaging in more than 2 opponents will cause you to overheat (even with an amarr suit) before you can finish off the 3rd opponent. The number of potential kills before overheat increases in relation to the distance, longer distance = more time to manage heat build up and pick off more targets, in close range you're probably screwed if you get bum-rushed.

Ive actually managed on many occasions to kill 3-4 pristine tip top never been hit protos before overheat becomes a problem (ofcourse they werent Brick Tanked 1k EHP+ suits, but they had 600-700 EHP each), this is the skill ceiling people are talking about, at medium range and cqc.

Sure you can take the gun and nerf it, leaving me with something i can at best kill 1 guy with before overheating, but how are other people going to be using this gun ?

I know right, they are not gonna be using it at all and then it gets a nice little mantle spot next to the Breach, Tac and Burst and ill be back at using AR's....

It would make sense and probably be the only way you are seeing the damage you are.

Lets say its doing 700 damage to your heavy in one shot
Working backwards..
Imperial SCR - 79 damage
Proficiency 5 + 2 DMG mods ~ 33% (105 damage)
Shield Bias 20% (126 damage)
Charged Shot x 2 (252 damage)
Headshot Bonus x3 (756 damage) *as alluded to by previous poster

So, if this is truely the setup for the SCR then yes, that does seem to be OP but the only way that this can be verified is by CCP given the small amount of hard data they give out on weapons/suits/equipment etc.

You know what guys...

*sighs*

I give up...

You're right...

I'm just a scrub.

I have no situational awareness.

I don't know the strengths and weaknesses of the weapons I use.

I don't know what ranges to engage my opponents at.

I like to run around in the open field firing at Scr Rifle users from 40m away with my MH-82 HMG while standing perfectly still.

The Scr. Rifle is the most skill intensive weapon DUST 514 has to offer.

The game is just so chocked full of Highly skilled players, much more so than myself, which is why the weapon is becoming more and more prevalent with every subsequent match I enter.

The fact that nearly overnight Scr Rifles went from seeing 1 or 2 in a match to seeing full squads of People using Advanced and Prototype Scr. Rifles is indicative of absolutely nothing.

I'm just imagining my shield and armor drop by 90% from one shot.

/scarcasm

So you can have this thread, I'm done.

You know what guys...

*sighs*

I give up...

You're right...

I'm just a scrub.

I have no situational awareness.

I don't know the strengths and weaknesses of the weapons I use.

I don't know what ranges to engage my opponents at.

I like to run around in the open field firing at Scr Rifle users from 40m away with my MH-82 HMG while standing perfectly still.

The Scr. Rifle is the most skill intensive weapon DUST 514 has to offer.

The game is just so chocked full of Highly skilled players, much more so than myself, which is why the weapon is becoming more and more prevalent with every subsequent match I enter.

The fact that nearly overnight Scr Rifles went from seeing 1 or 2 in a match to seeing full squads of People using Advanced and Prototype Scr. Rifles is indicative of absolutely nothing.

I'm just imagining my shield and armor drop by 90% from one shot.

/scarcasm

So you can have this thread, I'm done.

Yea, because shield tanking an Amarr Basic Heavy Frame is the new black!

I avoid speaking for skilled players like yourself, my post is meant to be a generalization of SCR users as a whole.

In that you are correct, that is the Skill ceiling that people are talking about.

I too have mastered the heat build up of my weapon allowing me to take down upwards of 3 or 4 opponents without overheating as well as 1v1ing proto heavies and coming out with half armor and a locked up weapon (because face to face the only way I can take out a heavy is with a charge shot and firing at the head and neck until I overheat, i have found that this is the only way I can face off with a heavy without switching to a sidearm)

In a PC situation, I'm dead if I am not the one dictating the rules of engagement.

Yeah i get the idea, i am always speaking from my own perspective and pub teams, but cant speak from PC battles, i can however say that it is completely impossible to kill other great players if you encounter them in a group, 1 vs 1 can already go both ways and sideways very fast, the slightest disadvantage costs you your clone and shows really how small the skill gap has to be to get totally roflpwned.

The fact that the Scr Rifle can take 2 or 3 shots immediately after a charged shot is ridiculous in and of itself.

"Heat build up? What heat build up"