Nice strawman there buddy.
Correlation =/= causation.

So all of these emerging Scr Rifle users are a result of "highly skilled" players finally having a weapon that matches their skill level.

So all of these emerging Scr Rifle users are a result of "highly skilled" players finally having a weapon that matches their skill level. Yea right!

Lemme guess, you have some ocean front property in Arizona you would like to sell me?

Yes, Scr Rifles are overpowered.

Yes, Everyone now knows it.

Yes they are rapidly becoming the flavor of the month as more and more tryhards have caught wind of this.

Scr Rifle user: "But, they have overheat"

Me: "But, you alpha 89% of my HP with one shot"

Tbh...you QQ alot about SCR's. Didn't you make another similar thread about a month ago?

Stop dying. Learn some awareness.

Me: but its not easy to always land that shot. Its a skill weapon, just like the scrambler pistol. Besides, why couldn't it be better than the ar? Why are you not saying that the ar is the fotm?

There's an emerging plasma cannon community. Is that because the plasma cannon is overpowered?

LOL no. This is not comparable. A high RoF weapon such as the Scr Rifle should not be able to alpha 89% of any suit's EHP with one shot.

*stomps MLT n00bs with stacked proto squads

*tells players to HTFU

I guess that means get into a n00bstomping que synced proto party corp?

There scr is ridiculously easy to use, hip fired charged and regular shots most of the time, fk aiming when I can just spam faces with it, I use it on one of my ALTs, its ROFL stomp lol easy. Definitely fotm and sadly will probably get nerfed, its not a skill weapon like people make out and if they think so they must be sht because I'm not an amazing player and I find it easy as fk to use.

And the QQ nerf train rolls onwards.

Do you realise how screwed the SCR user is if they miss that shot?
Where is this 89% coming from?

Are you talking about SCRs or ASCRs? I will assume SCRs

So what is your total EHP of the suits you are running? Im sorry but saying that you are using two basic shield extenders leads me to believe that its quite low and would get torn to pieces by any weapon. You would have to give me hard data on any of this before I actually believed you.

You would be complaining about TACs as well if the ROF wasnt gimped with a half-azzed mechanic. Compared to the TAC of old, the SCR is a nerf gun. I have prof 4 and always run a damage mod with mine and it still takes me at least one cool down cycle to take out a half decent heavy fit.. If you havent booked it out of there before the weapon cools down or I have switched to my SMG then the death is completely on you.

You act like the overheat feature is the only thing that is a blancing agent for the SCR
- Requires actual aim rather than spamming the fire button
- Has one of the highest fitting costs even as the basic level
- Is biased toward shields
- Annnnnd overheats

All of which is easy to manage, especially at operation level 5, by that time if any of those factors are even remotely challenging for you then you suck.

In comparison to what?

EHP on Standard Heavy with 2 Repairers is 1012 506 shield 506 armor

EHP on MinLogi is about 180sih shield 280ish armor. Not sure exactly, would have to log on and check. I run with less HP to have Equipment so I can support my team, you know, what a Logi is meant to do...

LOL at a Heavy "booking it out of there" thats just funny.

Ok, then lets actually apply math to all of this using an ADV SCR which is about 73 base damage

Damage modifiers -
Proficiency 4 = 12%
Complex Dmg Mod = 10%
Total ---- 22% increase

73 * 1.22 = 89 base damage

Charged shot has a multiplier of 2 so that would put us at 178 damage from the get go.

Now, lets add in the bias towards shields. I cant remember if its 120/80 or 130/70 but lets go with 120.

178 * 1.2 = 213 damage against shields for charged shot
89 * 1.2 = 106 damage against shields for standard shot
89 * 0.8 = 71 damage against armor for standard shot

Now lets say that the person firing can get off one charged shot and 5 regular shots before overheat
Charged Shot 1 - 213 damage (295 shield remaining, 506 armor)
Standard Shot 1 - 106 damage (189 shield remaining, 506 armor)
Standard Shot 2 - 106 damage (83 shield remaining, 506 armor)
Standard Shot 3 - 106 damage (0 shield remaining, 483 armor) *used full shield dmg for easier math
Standard Shot 4 - 71 damage (0 shield remaining, 412 armor)
Standard Shot 5 - 71 damage (0 shield remaining, 341 armor)

These six shots can be done in about a second or little more if the person is skilled. Once cooled down (lets say 3 seconds. I cant find the info on the comp) it would take another 5 shots to down the heavy suit.

So now lets look at a trained GEK with a damage mod.

Correct me if Im wrong but I believe that the base damage of the GEK is around 34 per bullet.

Damage modifiers -
Proficiency 4 = 12%
Complex Dmg Mod = 10%
Total ---- 22% increase

34 * 1.22 = 41.5 base damage

The clip holds 60 and can be fired at a rate of 750 RPM (which equates to 12.5 bullets per second).

DPS = 41.5 * 12.5 = 518 damage (0 shield remaining, 496 armor)

Now, in it would only take 1 more second for the GEK to tear through the remaining amount of armor which would be a faster kill than the SCR.

What makes it so the GEK doesnt do that?
#1 - Dispersion - The further the weapon user is away from the target, the more misses s/he will get
#2 - Tracking - As Rei said, people who spray-n-pray are probably not tracking their target which leads to more missed shots

The reason you think the SCR is OP compared to the AR is not because of the weapons themselves but rather the people handling them. Someone using a semi-auto weapon is more likely to line up their shot than one at full auto thus they are more likely to have all of their shots hit as well as have a higher likelihood for a headshot.

Also, the semi-auto weapons are more likely to be used by skirmishers than front line slayers. They will be out of your effective range with a HMG or AR and thus seem to have the upper hand while you are engaged.

Ok, then lets actually apply math to all of this using an ADV SCR which is about 73 base damage

Damage modifiers -
Proficiency 4 = 12%
Complex Dmg Mod = 10%
Total ---- 22% increase

73 * 1.22 = 89 base damage

Charged shot has a multiplier of 2 so that would put us at 178 damage from the get go.

Now, lets add in the bias towards shields. I cant remember if its 120/80 or 130/70 but lets go with 120.

178 * 1.2 = 213 damage against shields for charged shot
89 * 1.2 = 106 damage against shields for standard shot
89 * 0.8 = 71 damage against armor for standard shot

Now lets say that the person firing can get off one charged shot and 5 regular shots before overheat
Charged Shot 1 - 213 damage (295 shield remaining, 506 armor)
Standard Shot 1 - 106 damage (189 shield remaining, 506 armor)
Standard Shot 2 - 106 damage (83 shield remaining, 506 armor)
Standard Shot 3 - 106 damage (0 shield remaining, 483 armor) *used full shield dmg for easier math
Standard Shot 4 - 71 damage (0 shield remaining, 412 armor)
Standard Shot 5 - 71 damage (0 shield remaining, 341 armor)

These six shots can be done in about a second or little more if the person is skilled. Once cooled down (lets say 3 seconds. I cant find the info on the comp) it would take another 5 shots to down the heavy suit.

So now lets look at a trained GEK with a damage mod.

Correct me if Im wrong but I believe that the base damage of the GEK is around 34 per bullet.

Damage modifiers -
Proficiency 4 = 12%
Complex Dmg Mod = 10%
Total ---- 22% increase

34 * 1.22 = 41.5 base damage

The clip holds 60 and can be fired at a rate of 750 RPM (which equates to 12.5 bullets per second).

DPS = 41.5 * 12.5 = 518 damage (0 shield remaining, 496 armor)

Now, in it would only take 1 more second for the GEK to tear through the remaining amount of armor which would be a faster kill than the SCR.

What makes it so the GEK doesnt do that?
#1 - Dispersion - The further the weapon user is away from the target, the more misses s/he will get
#2 - Tracking - As Rei said, people who spray-n-pray are probably not tracking their target which leads to more missed shots

The reason you think the SCR is OP compared to the AR is not because of the weapons themselves but rather the people handling them. Someone using a semi-auto weapon is more likely to line up their shot than one at full auto thus they are more likely to have all of their shots hit as well as have a higher likelihood for a headshot.

Also, the semi-auto weapons are more likely to be used by skirmishers than front line slayers. They will be out of your effective range with a HMG or AR and thus seem to have the upper hand while you are engaged.

a lot of math

Which I'm not saying is inaccurate and it looks very nice on paper like that

BUT

In my Heavy Suit with 506 Shields, 506 armor ONE charged shot takes me down to less than 200 armor, so explain this to me; and if you consider this not to be overpowered you have no business in a balance discussion.

Math is fine on paper, but you need to be looking at the performance of the weapon in the game.

This is not dungeons and dragons.

Well I must be better than I think because I find it seriously easy to own with minimal effort using the scr.

When I fire my charge shot its almost always followed by a volley of at least 2 more single shots, especially for heavies since its very easy to track them.

Maybe thats what you're going against.

I do know the difference between getting shot once and getting shot 3 times...just saying.

When I fire my charge shot its almost always followed by a volley of at least 2 more single shots, especially for heavies since its very easy to track them.

Maybe thats what you're going against.

I find it seriously easy to own with minimal effort using the plasma cannon.

See what I did there? Personal anecdotes don't prove anything. And the fact of the matter, there is data out there that shows it is not too difficult to do well with the assault rifle with minimal effort.

One time a heavy with over 1000 HP got the jumped on my and I turned around and (luckily) unloaded nearly my full TT3 Assault Scrambler Pistol into his head and survived with just 40 armor left. I was convinced we were going to start seeing "Scrambler Pistol OP" threads.

But yes, there is a pretty fast fire rate on the scrambler rifle so it's kind of hard to tell if you've been hit by just one charge shot or by a charge shot and a few quick shots after. I wouldn't call it OP because in a heavy fit like this you are not going to be able to get the kill before overheating, and if you overheat you leave yourself vulnerable long enough that it shouldn't be a problem for the heavy to get the kill.

You really need to equate overheating the scrambler rifle as the quasi "magazine size" since it does create a moment where the user needs to pause for a length of time - even if you don't overheat you have to wait awhile for the heat to cool down. Now, I'm pretty sure an AR can kill a heavy without reloading.