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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.22 12:57:00 -
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do these things really do less damage to armor?
was wondering if anyone tested it?
I have 700 armor, and these things cut through it like it didn't have anything, ar's which are supposed to be strong against armor seem to do less damage. |
steadyhand amarr
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
1617
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:02:00 -
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Yes they do. They wtf spawned shields but I always struggle with amour tanks |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1169
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:02:00 -
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Yes, Scr Rifles are overpowered.
Yes, Everyone now knows it.
Yes they are rapidly becoming the flavor of the month as more and more tryhards have caught wind of this.
Scr Rifle user: "But, they have overheat"
Me: "But, you alpha 89% of my HP with one shot" |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1116
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:07:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Yes, Scr Rifles are overpowered.
Yes, Everyone now knows it.
Yes they are rapidly becoming the flavor of the month as more and more tryhards have caught wind of this.
Scr Rifle user: "But, they have overheat"
Me: "But, you alpha 89% of my HP with one shot"
eh, I would spec into them as well but i have to many other things on my plate to sp into atm.
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
723
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:11:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Yes they do. They wtf spawned shields but I always struggle with amour tanks
It sure didnt feel like that when you shot me (522 armor) lol :p ..i got this ...got ..th..."Insertwtfpwnedhere" ...is...
Funny stuff aside, yeah SCR blaps a shield quickly but if there is an Stacked Plated Logi underneath it can be a real biatch to burn trough it, if it a suit that is known to stack armor, aim for the head or you might run it into overheat.
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knight guard fury
the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
53
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:19:00 -
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when ever i fight a heavy with a scr i can take his armor out in no time at range better than with an ar at range.
it seems like it does great amount of dmg to shields and armor(or at least thats waht it looks like for me) |
ratamaq doc
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
95
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:21:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Yes, Scr Rifles are overpowered.
Yes, Everyone now knows it.
Yes they are rapidly becoming the flavor of the month as more and more tryhards have caught wind of this.
Scr Rifle user: "But, they have overheat"
Me: "But, you alpha 89% of my HP with one shot"
In the right hands, I agree with you, but the weapon is situational and requires a much greater level of skill to use than an AR. The over heat makes practically unusable for suites without side arms, which thanks to the assault Logi, is most players in this game. I use it on my amar Logi fits because it is the dream weapon for a player like me. But I have many more hours of play to go before I'm going to be comfortable using this weapon without a sidearm to fall back on.
Expect to see an increase in use due to the anniversary pack. Now that I have a BPO amar Logi and a BPO scr, I've been running this thing almost exclusively for the last few days.
As far as Assaults go that are fitting the SCR, I feel this weapon is justification to all the 'assault Logis' running around fully tanked with a Duvalle and no equipment.
And before I get labeled as a Logi hater, I've protoed out mini and amar Logi, but I have not a single fit that is not using all equipment slots. |
Dimitri Rascolovitch
The Immortal Knights
60
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:24:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Yes, Scr Rifles are overpowered.
Yes, Everyone now knows it.
Yes they are rapidly becoming the flavor of the month as more and more tryhards have caught wind of this.
Scr Rifle user: "But, they have overheat"
Me: "But, you alpha 89% of my HP with one shot"
That's what you get for shield tanking |
Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
273
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:24:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Yes, Scr Rifles are overpowered.
Yes, Everyone now knows it.
Yes they are rapidly becoming the flavor of the month as more and more tryhards have caught wind of this.
Scr Rifle user: "But, they have overheat"
Me: "But, you alpha 89% of my HP with one shot" Ill bite.
The fact that it takes a headshot to alpha 89% of your HP completely disarms your argument. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1169
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:29:00 -
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Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Yes, Scr Rifles are overpowered.
Yes, Everyone now knows it.
Yes they are rapidly becoming the flavor of the month as more and more tryhards have caught wind of this.
Scr Rifle user: "But, they have overheat"
Me: "But, you alpha 89% of my HP with one shot" That's what you get for shield tanking and as a side note, i usually fire 1 charge shot immediately followed by 2-5 shots after to make sure i get the kill or atleast make them run away Yea, because shield tanking an Amarr Basic Heavy Frame is the new black! |
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
723
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:30:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Yes, Scr Rifles are overpowered.
Yes, Everyone now knows it.
Yes they are rapidly becoming the flavor of the month as more and more tryhards have caught wind of this.
Scr Rifle user: "But, they have overheat"
Me: "But, you alpha 89% of my HP with one shot" Ill bite. The fact that it takes a headshot to alpha 89% of your HP completely disarms your argument.
Or he might be running a Militia fit :p |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1169
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:35:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Beeeees wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Yes, Scr Rifles are overpowered.
Yes, Everyone now knows it.
Yes they are rapidly becoming the flavor of the month as more and more tryhards have caught wind of this.
Scr Rifle user: "But, they have overheat"
Me: "But, you alpha 89% of my HP with one shot" Ill bite. The fact that it takes a headshot to alpha 89% of your HP completely disarms your argument. Or he might be running a Militia fit :p Actually, I either run a Standard Basic Heavy with 2 Repair or A standard MinLogi with Plate/Repair combo and 2 Basic Shield Extenders, 3 Equipment, Gek. I have Shield and Armor Upgrades at 5. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
724
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:44:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Beeeees wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Yes, Scr Rifles are overpowered.
Yes, Everyone now knows it.
Yes they are rapidly becoming the flavor of the month as more and more tryhards have caught wind of this.
Scr Rifle user: "But, they have overheat"
Me: "But, you alpha 89% of my HP with one shot" Ill bite. The fact that it takes a headshot to alpha 89% of your HP completely disarms your argument. Or he might be running a Militia fit :p Actually, I either run a Standard Basic Heavy with 2 Repair or A standard MinLogi with Plate/Repair combo and 2 Basic Shield Extenders, 3 Equipment, Gek. I have Shield and Armor Upgrades at 5.
guess i wasnt far off...
Thats not a really sturdy fit considering most of us run either 2 or 3 damage mods, heavies like that don't have enough EHP to stop headshots from swatting it like an andvanced scout, it wouldnt be much diffrent if you meet a Duvolle with 3 damage mods either.
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Lea Silencio
D3ath D3alers
500
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:45:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Beeeees wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Yes, Scr Rifles are overpowered.
Yes, Everyone now knows it.
Yes they are rapidly becoming the flavor of the month as more and more tryhards have caught wind of this.
Scr Rifle user: "But, they have overheat"
Me: "But, you alpha 89% of my HP with one shot" Ill bite. The fact that it takes a headshot to alpha 89% of your HP completely disarms your argument. Or he might be running a Militia fit :p Actually, I either run a Standard Basic Heavy with 2 Repair or A standard MinLogi with Plate/Repair combo and 2 Basic Shield Extenders, 3 Equipment, Gek. I have Shield and Armor Upgrades at 5.
Standard SCR's will eat up that little HP that you have if you run standard fits. Most users run either an ADV or Proto SCR, so OF COURSE you wil die in the blink of an eye. With a fit like that, you don't stand a chance against a good SCR user.
Smh. Flawed logic based on your obvious preferences and/or shortcomings is still flawed. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1170
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:49:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Beeeees wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Yes, Scr Rifles are overpowered.
Yes, Everyone now knows it.
Yes they are rapidly becoming the flavor of the month as more and more tryhards have caught wind of this.
Scr Rifle user: "But, they have overheat"
Me: "But, you alpha 89% of my HP with one shot" Ill bite. The fact that it takes a headshot to alpha 89% of your HP completely disarms your argument. Or he might be running a Militia fit :p Actually, I either run a Standard Basic Heavy with 2 Repair or A standard MinLogi with Plate/Repair combo and 2 Basic Shield Extenders, 3 Equipment, Gek. I have Shield and Armor Upgrades at 5. guess i wasnt far off... Thats not a really sturdy fit considering most of us run either 2 or 3 damage mods, heavies like that don't have enough EHP to stop headshots from swatting it like an andvanced scout, it wouldnt be much diffrent if you meet a Duvolle with 3 damage mods either. It's actually quite a bit different. One shot from a Duvolle does not drain 89% of my HP. Actually I regularly take out Proto AR guys with that fit. I have much more trouble with the Scr Rifle users. My MinLogi handles them a little better due to the far superior mobility. I have more of a problem with Proto ARs in that fit than my Heavy. |
Michael Cratar
Fenrir's Wolves DARKSTAR ARMY
252
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:51:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:do these things really do less damage to armor?
was wondering if anyone tested it?
I have 700 armor, and these things cut through it like it didn't have anything, theirs no AR i'm really worried about facing, but scrambler rifles just out dps me every time, so trying to pin-point why so i can deal with it later.
I'm proficiency 5 in egg scramblers and I can confirm they do less damage to armor than they do to shields. Lucky for me at proficiency 5 the damage difference isn't very noticeable *if at all*. Since the majority of people use ar's now, ill just assume the people who still stick with the egg scrambler have some sort of proficiency in them. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1170
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:52:00 -
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Lea Silencio wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Beeeees wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Yes, Scr Rifles are overpowered.
Yes, Everyone now knows it.
Yes they are rapidly becoming the flavor of the month as more and more tryhards have caught wind of this.
Scr Rifle user: "But, they have overheat"
Me: "But, you alpha 89% of my HP with one shot" Ill bite. The fact that it takes a headshot to alpha 89% of your HP completely disarms your argument. Or he might be running a Militia fit :p Actually, I either run a Standard Basic Heavy with 2 Repair or A standard MinLogi with Plate/Repair combo and 2 Basic Shield Extenders, 3 Equipment, Gek. I have Shield and Armor Upgrades at 5. Standard SCR's will eat up that little HP that you have if you run standard fits. Most users run either an ADV or Proto SCR, so OF COURSE you wil die in the blink of an eye. With a fit like that, you don't stand a chance against a good SCR user. Smh. Flawed logic based on your obvious preferences and/or shortcomings is still flawed. Meh, Happened to me in my Adv. Heavy with 2 comp. Plates too. This is the reason I started using only standard gear.
You can blame my Suits all you want, fact remains you , me and everyone else knows the Scr Rifles are overpowered, it's why everyone is speccing into them. I see them more than Duvolles now and that's saying something. |
Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
275
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:52:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote: It's actually quite a bit different. One shot from a Duvolle does not drain 89% of my HP. Actually I regularly take out Proto AR guys with that fit. I have much more trouble with the Scr Rifle users. My MinLogi handles them a little better due to the far superior mobility. I have more of a problem with Proto ARs in that fit than my Heavy.
Well you sound like an able guy, surely you wont have any problems to HTFU in the face of a newly discovered threat? |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1170
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:59:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote: It's actually quite a bit different. One shot from a Duvolle does not drain 89% of my HP. Actually I regularly take out Proto AR guys with that fit. I have much more trouble with the Scr Rifle users. My MinLogi handles them a little better due to the far superior mobility. I have more of a problem with Proto ARs in that fit than my Heavy.
Well you sound like an able guy, surely you wont have any problems to HTFU in the face of a newly discovered threat? *stomps MLT n00bs with stacked proto squads
*tells players to HTFU
I guess that means get into a n00bstomping que synced proto party corp? |
Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
275
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Posted - 2013.10.22 14:03:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote: *stomps MLT n00bs with stacked proto squads
*tells players to HTFU
I guess that means get into a n00bstomping que synced proto party corp?
KEQ is one of the few corps I know that does not protostomp.
I for my will never pull out proto sh!t unless Im obligated to do so. |
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
727
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Posted - 2013.10.22 14:04:00 -
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Quote:It's actually quite a bit different. One shot from a Duvolle does not drain 89% of my HP. Actually I regularly take out Proto AR guys with that fit. I have much more trouble with the Scr Rifle users. My MinLogi handles them a little better due to the far superior mobility. I have more of a problem with Proto ARs in that fit than my Heavy.
Yeah HMG spray & pray vs AR Spray & Pray, i can see why you come out ahead there ...most people forget to keep tracking their opponents at all times when firing the AR, most SCR users don't.
Though sounds like both fits fair better though vs diffrent opponents, maybe thats the point ? |
Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis
688
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Posted - 2013.10.22 14:08:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote: Actually, I either run a Standard Basic Heavy with 2 Repair or A standard MinLogi with Plate/Repair combo and 2 Basic Shield Extenders, 3 Equipment, Gek. I have Shield and Armor Upgrades at 5.
Meh, Happened to me in my Adv. Heavy with 2 comp. Plates too. This is the reason I started using only standard gear.
You can blame my Suits all you want, fact remains you , me and everyone else knows the Scr Rifles are overpowered, it's why everyone is speccing into them. I see them more than Duvolles now and that's saying something.
Are you talking about SCRs or ASCRs? I will assume SCRs
So what is your total EHP of the suits you are running? Im sorry but saying that you are using two basic shield extenders leads me to believe that its quite low and would get torn to pieces by any weapon. You would have to give me hard data on any of this before I actually believed you.
You would be complaining about TACs as well if the ROF wasnt gimped with a half-azzed mechanic. Compared to the TAC of old, the SCR is a nerf gun. I have prof 4 and always run a damage mod with mine and it still takes me at least one cool down cycle to take out a half decent heavy fit.. If you havent booked it out of there before the weapon cools down or I have switched to my SMG then the death is completely on you.
You act like the overheat feature is the only thing that is a blancing agent for the SCR - Requires actual aim rather than spamming the fire button - Has one of the highest fitting costs even as the basic level - Is biased toward shields - Annnnnd overheats |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1170
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Posted - 2013.10.22 14:11:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Quote:It's actually quite a bit different. One shot from a Duvolle does not drain 89% of my HP. Actually I regularly take out Proto AR guys with that fit. I have much more trouble with the Scr Rifle users. My MinLogi handles them a little better due to the far superior mobility. I have more of a problem with Proto ARs in that fit than my Heavy. Yeah HMG spray & pray vs AR Spray & Pray, i can see why you come out ahead there ...most people forget to keep tracking their opponents at all times when firing the AR, most SCR users don't. Though sounds like both fits fair better though vs diffrent opponents, maybe thats the point ? This guy gets it. |
Lea Silencio
D3ath D3alers
501
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Posted - 2013.10.22 14:13:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Quote:It's actually quite a bit different. One shot from a Duvolle does not drain 89% of my HP. Actually I regularly take out Proto AR guys with that fit. I have much more trouble with the Scr Rifle users. My MinLogi handles them a little better due to the far superior mobility. I have more of a problem with Proto ARs in that fit than my Heavy. Yeah HMG spray & pray vs AR Spray & Pray, i can see why you come out ahead there ...most people forget to keep tracking their opponents at all times when firing the AR, most SCR users don't. Though sounds like both fits fair better though vs diffrent opponents, maybe thats the point ?
Rei nailed it. Good SCR users will hit you hard first, then methodically pick you apart if you have no cover to run to. Being a heavy, if you are at a distance, you are dead. Period.
And btw....I still see way more AR's still running around and that will never change tbh. SCR is not currently FOTM, as you so lovingly put it. I'm a day 1 user as well and I play enough to know that what you say is simply not true. You just sound upset that there is an emergence of use of the gun and that it has taken you out a few times. Still takes skill to use effectively. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1170
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Posted - 2013.10.22 14:16:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote: Actually, I either run a Standard Basic Heavy with 2 Repair or A standard MinLogi with Plate/Repair combo and 2 Basic Shield Extenders, 3 Equipment, Gek. I have Shield and Armor Upgrades at 5.
Meh, Happened to me in my Adv. Heavy with 2 comp. Plates too. This is the reason I started using only standard gear.
You can blame my Suits all you want, fact remains you , me and everyone else knows the Scr Rifles are overpowered, it's why everyone is speccing into them. I see them more than Duvolles now and that's saying something.
Are you talking about SCRs or ASCRs? I will assume SCRs So what is your total EHP of the suits you are running? Im sorry but saying that you are using two basic shield extenders leads me to believe that its quite low and would get torn to pieces by any weapon. You would have to give me hard data on any of this before I actually believed you. You would be complaining about TACs as well if the ROF wasnt gimped with a half-azzed mechanic. Compared to the TAC of old, the SCR is a nerf gun. I have prof 4 and always run a damage mod with mine and it still takes me at least one cool down cycle to take out a half decent heavy fit.. If you havent booked it out of there before the weapon cools down or I have switched to my SMG then the death is completely on you. You act like the overheat feature is the only thing that is a blancing agent for the SCR - Requires actual aim rather than spamming the fire button - Has one of the highest fitting costs even as the basic level - Is biased toward shields - Annnnnd overheats EHP on Standard Heavy with 2 Repairers is 1012 506 shield 506 armor
EHP on MinLogi is about 180sih shield 280ish armor. Not sure exactly, would have to log on and check. I run with less HP to have Equipment so I can support my team, you know, what a Logi is meant to do...
LOL at a Heavy "booking it out of there" thats just funny.
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1170
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Posted - 2013.10.22 14:20:00 -
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Lea Silencio wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Quote:It's actually quite a bit different. One shot from a Duvolle does not drain 89% of my HP. Actually I regularly take out Proto AR guys with that fit. I have much more trouble with the Scr Rifle users. My MinLogi handles them a little better due to the far superior mobility. I have more of a problem with Proto ARs in that fit than my Heavy. Yeah HMG spray & pray vs AR Spray & Pray, i can see why you come out ahead there ...most people forget to keep tracking their opponents at all times when firing the AR, most SCR users don't. Though sounds like both fits fair better though vs diffrent opponents, maybe thats the point ? Rei nailed it. Good SCR users will hit you hard first, then methodically pick you apart if you have no cover to run to. Being a heavy, if you are at a distance, you are dead. Period. And btw....I still see way more AR's still running around and that will never change tbh. SCR is not currently FOTM, as you so lovingly put it. I'm a day 1 user as well and I play enough to know that what you say is simply not true. You just sound upset that there is an emergence of use of the gun and that it has taken you out a few times. Still takes skill to use effectively. What you call an "emergenc of use of the gun" I call a flock toward.
It's no secret that most of the "top" corps are flocking to the Scr Rifles. Deny it all you want to, it doesn't make it any less true. |
Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
276
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Posted - 2013.10.22 14:28:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote: EHP on Standard Heavy with 2 Repairers is 1012 506 shield 506 armor
Pff I run 700 on my meatshield logi
Master Jaraiya wrote: What you call an "emergenc of use of the gun" I call a flock toward.
It's no secret that most of the "top" corps are flocking to the Scr Rifles. Deny it all you want to, it doesn't make it any less true.
There is a concept called "skill ceiling". The skill ceiling on the SCR is higher than on the AR. Go figure. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1171
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Posted - 2013.10.22 14:33:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote: EHP on Standard Heavy with 2 Repairers is 1012 506 shield 506 armor
Pff I run 700 on my meatshield logi Master Jaraiya wrote: What you call an "emergenc of use of the gun" I call a flock toward.
It's no secret that most of the "top" corps are flocking to the Scr Rifles. Deny it all you want to, it doesn't make it any less true.
There is a concept called "skill ceiling". The skill ceiling on the SCR is higher than on the AR. Go figure. You call it "skill ceiling" I call it "players flocking to OP weapons"
Surely DUST players would never do such a thing! |
Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.22 14:36:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:You call it "skill ceiling" I call it "players flocking to OP weapons" Surely DUST players would never do such a thing! Nice strawman there buddy. Correlation =/= causation. |
Lea Silencio
D3ath D3alers
503
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Posted - 2013.10.22 14:38:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Beeeees wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote: EHP on Standard Heavy with 2 Repairers is 1012 506 shield 506 armor
Pff I run 700 on my meatshield logi Master Jaraiya wrote: What you call an "emergenc of use of the gun" I call a flock toward.
It's no secret that most of the "top" corps are flocking to the Scr Rifles. Deny it all you want to, it doesn't make it any less true.
There is a concept called "skill ceiling". The skill ceiling on the SCR is higher than on the AR. Go figure. You call it "skill ceiling" I call it "players flocking to OP weapons" Surely DUST players would never do such a thing!
Tbh...you QQ alot about SCR's. Didn't you make another similar thread about a month ago?
Stop dying. Learn some awareness.
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