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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.22 15:15:00 -
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It does less damage to armor, but that does not mean armor tanking makes you invincible to scrambler rifles.
Scrambler rifles do 120% to shields and 80% to armor. So if you're using a basic scrambler rifle which does 72 damage a shot,
to shields: 72 x 1.2 = 86.4 hp per shot
to armor: 72 x 0.8 = 57.6 hp per shot
Now that does not consider people using higher tier scrambler, using damage mods, having proficiency, landing head shots, or using the charge function. Again, just because your armor resists the scrambler rifle does not mean it is invincible, you are still going to take a good majority of the base damage. You are however in a much better position to counter them then shield tankers. And don't worry, there are plenty of draw backs to the scrambler rifles like how unreliable they are up close and the fact that they overheat, dealing damage to you as well as locking you up for 5 seconds where you cannot sprint, cannot swap weapons, cannot do anything other than walk around and jump. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3002
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Posted - 2013.10.22 15:50:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:
Well I must be better than I think because I find it seriously easy to own with minimal effort using the scr.
I find it seriously easy to own with minimal effort using the plasma cannon.
See what I did there? Personal anecdotes don't prove anything. And the fact of the matter, there is data out there that shows it is not too difficult to do well with the assault rifle with minimal effort. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3002
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Posted - 2013.10.22 15:57:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:a lot of math
Which I'm not saying is inaccurate and it looks very nice on paper like that BUT In my Heavy Suit with 506 Shields, 506 armor ONE charged shot takes me down to less than 200 armor, so explain this to me; and if you consider this not to be overpowered you have no business in a balance discussion. Math is fine on paper, but you need to be looking at the performance of the weapon in the game. This is not dungeons and dragons. When I fire my charge shot its almost always followed by a volley of at least 2 more single shots, especially for heavies since its very easy to track them. Maybe thats what you're going against.
One time a heavy with over 1000 HP got the jumped on my and I turned around and (luckily) unloaded nearly my full TT3 Assault Scrambler Pistol into his head and survived with just 40 armor left. I was convinced we were going to start seeing "Scrambler Pistol OP" threads.
But yes, there is a pretty fast fire rate on the scrambler rifle so it's kind of hard to tell if you've been hit by just one charge shot or by a charge shot and a few quick shots after. I wouldn't call it OP because in a heavy fit like this you are not going to be able to get the kill before overheating, and if you overheat you leave yourself vulnerable long enough that it shouldn't be a problem for the heavy to get the kill.
You really need to equate overheating the scrambler rifle as the quasi "magazine size" since it does create a moment where the user needs to pause for a length of time - even if you don't overheat you have to wait awhile for the heat to cool down. Now, I'm pretty sure an AR can kill a heavy without reloading. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3005
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Posted - 2013.10.22 16:20:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:
Yes it is a strict 1 v 1 scenario.
The fact that the Scr Rifle can take 2 or 3 shots immediately after a charged shot is ridiculous in and of itself.
"Heat build up? What heat build up"
Seriously, I'm not even talking about a guy using it with an Amarr suit, its just *sighs*
I know none of the Scr Rifle users will ever really admit to their precious being overpowered, kinda like the 1.0 Tac Ar Turbo controller users defending their broken ****.
You're problem is you are assuming 1v1 scenarios at mid range are the only scenarios. These are the scenarios the scrambler rifle is designed for, so of course it will be better. However, if you get a little close with multiple targets then the assault rifle becomes the far better option. It's all about finding the role of your weapon and maximizing it.
Also what's wrong about a scrambler rifle firing extra shots after a charge shot? I think you are under some misinformed assumption of just how much damage a charge shot does.
Without an Amarr Assault, the scrambler rifle can fire about 15 to overheat, so 14 shots to avoid overheat. Now compare that to how many shots are in the magazine of a TAC AR. A charge shot consumes the amount of heat of about 10 shots, so you'd be able to fire 1 charge shot plus 4 normal shots. However, in the amount of time it takes to charge your shot you could of gotten those 10 shots off, and the charge shot multiplier is not even close to a 10x multiplier.
Sounds to me more like someone who fights mainly for Minmatar FW is upset the enemies have a viable weapon. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3006
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Posted - 2013.10.22 17:06:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:You know what guys...
*sighs*
I give up...
You're right...
I'm just a scrub.
I have no situational awareness.
I don't know the strengths and weaknesses of the weapons I use.
I don't know what ranges to engage my opponents at.
I like to run around in the open field firing at Scr Rifle users from 40m away with my MH-82 HMG while standing perfectly still.
The Scr. Rifle is the most skill intensive weapon DUST 514 has to offer.
The game is just so chocked full of Highly skilled players, much more so than myself, which is why the weapon is becoming more and more prevalent with every subsequent match I enter.
The fact that nearly overnight Scr Rifles went from seeing 1 or 2 in a match to seeing full squads of People using Advanced and Prototype Scr. Rifles is indicative of absolutely nothing.
I'm just imagining my shield and armor drop by 90% from one shot.
/scarcasm
So you can have this thread, I'm done. Have you thought that you are seeing full squads of scrambler rifle users because you are playing Minmatar FW and your enemies are Amarr? Just a thought . . .
I rarely every see scrambler rifle users, but that's because I mainly fight against the Minmatar. Also the scrambler rifle is at least more skill intensive than the assault rifle, and we see a lot more of those dominating the playing field and killing heavies.
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